According to ESPNs Ian Begley, the Timberwolves have talked to the Knicks about a possible trade involving Rose. Begley reports that it is unclear what the Timberwolves would offer the Knicks for the former MVP. The Timberwolves arent the only team inquiring about Rose as Begley reports that several teams have reached out to the Knicks about their starting point guard.
-Berman is implying Melo prefers LAC/LAL over Cleveland, Boston etc but like everyone else he's saying a deal would be shocking.
-Steve Kyler says Paul has a verbal agreement to remain with LAC and will be official once the new CBA begins.
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In comment 13366618 DanMetroMan said:
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has 2 years remaining then is an RFA, Crowder has 3 and then is a UFA. Smart is 4 years younger.
This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
Deej unlesss sporttact is wrong he has 2 years and then RFA
"2017-18 Contract details by year 22 $4,538,020 $4,538,020 $4,538,020
2018-19 Contract details by year 23 $6,053,718 $6,053,718 -
2018 Free Agent Year 24
RFA"
I think that indicates that he's an RFA in the 2018 offseason with an option of $6,053,718. UFA would be in 2019. I.e. he has the remainder of this year and next season under contract, then 1 RFA/option season, then a restricted free agent. 2 more years of control, not 3.
You get 5 years of control unless that was just changed in the new CBA. Smart is in his 3rd season.
Agree. Getting Melo without giving up either BK pick is a great deal for them.
Yeah, our rim protectors are pretty good. You get Melo and Rose off this team and bring in a guy like Smart and we could quickly be a top 10 D, especially if KP physically matures. Noah-KP-XX-Lee-Smart is pretty good defensively. Putrid on offense unless that XX (our lottery pick?) is an offensive star/tablesetter.
Agree with all this. Is it possible for them to get Melo and Butler? They have a bunch of contracts that are flexible that I think they should use. Getting Butler and Melo without giving up any of your top players is a serious haul.
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In comment 13366643 Deej said:
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In comment 13366618 DanMetroMan said:
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has 2 years remaining then is an RFA, Crowder has 3 and then is a UFA. Smart is 4 years younger.
This is year 3 for Smart. So I think he has one more full season, then RFA, then UFA.
Still I think there is a lot of value in Smart if you think his shot has upside. I am a massive fan of his defense. He's beyond good on D -- he's disruptive and inspiring.
Deej unlesss sporttact is wrong he has 2 years and then RFA
"2017-18 Contract details by year 22 $4,538,020 $4,538,020 $4,538,020
2018-19 Contract details by year 23 $6,053,718 $6,053,718 -
2018 Free Agent Year 24
RFA"
I think that indicates that he's an RFA in the 2018 offseason with an option of $6,053,718. UFA would be in 2019. I.e. he has the remainder of this year and next season under contract, then 1 RFA/option season, then a restricted free agent. 2 more years of control, not 3.
You get 5 years of control unless that was just changed in the new CBA. Smart is in his 3rd season.
Deej the website might be wrong but that is 100% not what is says on there. When a player is a UFA it actually says "UFA". In this case it's clearly indicating he's a RFA in 2 more full seasons.
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actually MUCH prefer Smart to Crowder. Younger, worst case is he's a guy you stick on a top PG and suddenly your bigs look better because the opposing PG isn't blowing by your PG. He's known for coming up with big plays, quick hands. Odds are against him ever becoming a good shooter but he could improve to the point he's merely "not good" vs. awful. His downside is defensive stopper at a key position.
Yeah, our rim protectors are pretty good. You get Melo and Rose off this team and bring in a guy like Smart and we could quickly be a top 10 D, especially if KP physically matures. Noah-KP-XX-Lee-Smart is pretty good defensively. Putrid on offense unless that XX (our lottery pick?) is an offensive star/tablesetter.
Oh don't worry, Jayson Tatum/Jon Isaac is going to be a top tier scorer.
Deej the website might be wrong but that is 100% not what is says on there. When a player is a UFA it actually says "UFA". In this case it's clearly indicating he's a RFA in 2 more full seasons. Link - ( New Window )
It looks like you're misreading the website. What it shows is 4 seasons under contract. 2018-19 is in red, because it is his 5th year option season. The options hasnt been exercised (and the notes say 2016 and 2016 club option exercise). The annotation of 2018 RFA is not a 6th season even though it is in the chart. Indeed, it says "2018" for the RFA season. How can 2018 be a 6th RFA season in addition to 2018-19 as his 5th season?
In any event the rules are the rules no matter what a website says. You get 5 years of control.
Yup. Melo deal or otherwise I think they're willing to part with smart more than any of their other core pieces.
Obviously Magic didn't like him
I honestly think it was more about his volatility than his actual talent. If it was Anthony Davis being dealt to LA Brandon Ingram is gone.
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't deal our pick sight unseen for any player on the Lakers roster. Depends when we pick.
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really they don't have to do much of anything other than move any desirable veterans for young assets. Knicks don't have to be desperate. Even if Melo stays...fine...get assets for anyone you can and draft well. Keep adding assets. They have a lot more assets today than they have in DECADES. Fact. Just keep at it and try to limit the stupid tweets and public embarrassments.
Thing is, by the time the team is ready (if ever) to compete for the East, Melo's days will be over.
That's fair. Nothing we can do about it. If you can get any tangible young assets for Melo you do it but don't panic and move Melo out for an anchor or bad teammate in return. We could do worse than Carmelo Anthony on the Knicks. He's still a good player and as much as we hate this side of things he's an attraction. Even if he's a cancer, which I doubt, you don't compound things by trading him for 2-3 average players that cost a lot.
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I knew it's early, but do any of the Lakers kids really have the look of a franchise player? No need for the Lakers to build slowly through the draft - they can attract free agents easily if they have a decent enough team. Trade the kids for guys like Cousins, George, Butler, etc., and watch the stars flock there in free agency.
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't deal our pick sight unseen for any player on the Lakers roster. Depends when we pick.
I'd trade a lightly protected future first for Russell or Ingram. Randle is the most intriguing laker but he'd be a questionable fit next to KP. Zubac might honestly have the highest ceiling out of everyone on the Lakers and I don't really mean that as a shot to Russ and Ingram (not entirely anyways).
I am 45 and I want to punch the entire city of Boston in the face. ANd that includes the semen stained shit smelling Celtics. If that's not hate...ok fine...I don't hate.
Without knowing where the ping pong balls fall? No I wouldn't. I like Russell but the guy is shooting 39% from the field with a WS/48 of .032. As of right now I have at least 6-7 guys in the draft I would take over Russell (if not more) certainly Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Isaac, Markkanen (yeah not a great fit with KP), Fox, Monk and likely the French kid. If I knew for a fact we were picking 10-12 then yeah. But if the Lakers offered him right now for our pick I'd pass.
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I knew it's early, but do any of the Lakers kids really have the look of a franchise player? No need for the Lakers to build slowly through the draft - they can attract free agents easily if they have a decent enough team. Trade the kids for guys like Cousins, George, Butler, etc., and watch the stars flock there in free agency.
Lets put it this way, I wouldn't deal our pick sight unseen for any player on the Lakers roster. Depends when we pick.
I'd trade a lightly protected future first for Russell or Ingram. Randle is the most intriguing laker but he'd be a questionable fit next to KP. Zubac might honestly have the highest ceiling out of everyone on the Lakers and I don't really mean that as a shot to Russ and Ingram (not entirely anyways).
I agree with all of that. Just saying if Magic called up Phil and offered any of those guys for our pick (no protection) I'd actually pass.
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Russell?
Without knowing where the ping pong balls fall? No I wouldn't. I like Russell but the guy is shooting 39% from the field with a WS/48 of .032. As of right now I have at least 6-7 guys in the draft I would take over Russell (if not more) certainly Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Smith, Isaac, Markkanen (yeah not a great fit with KP), Fox, Monk and likely the French kid. If I knew for a fact we were picking 10-12 then yeah. But if the Lakers offered him right now for our pick I'd pass.
Yeah I don't think I trade a top 10-15 pick in this draft for Russell. But maybe a top 5 protected pick in 2018? Don't know much about that draft but early signs are it's not good. Once someone in the Lakers organization realizes Russ is a 2 guard things will get better for him.
Ingram will probably build his body and be a solid 3. He's just too thin right now but that should be the goal.
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Russell, Ingram and Clarkson are all 2 guards in the NBA.
Ingram will probably build his body and be a solid 3. He's just too thin right now but that should be the goal.
That's a possibility, but he has a long way to go to guard the star 3s of the NBA. How much weight can he gain before his quickness/ups start to fall off? He can be a lock down 2 guard defender and 2s won't be able to take as much advantage of his lack of strength.
Yes, please. Magic was quoted the other day saying it may take 5 years or so to build the Lakers up to a consistent winner - he doesn't strike me as the type to wait that long. Why make this move today if the Lakers aren't going to be aggressive at the trade deadline? They could just as easily have waited til the end of the regular season.
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In comment 13366742 giantsfan44ab said:
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Russell, Ingram and Clarkson are all 2 guards in the NBA.
Ingram will probably build his body and be a solid 3. He's just too thin right now but that should be the goal.
That's a possibility, but he has a long way to go to guard the star 3s of the NBA. How much weight can he gain before his quickness/ups start to fall off? He can be a lock down 2 guard defender and 2s won't be able to take as much advantage of his lack of strength.
Well he's 19 years old and hasn't even stopped growing yet. When that stops is when he can really add the bulk to his frame. I just think it would serve the Lakers better if he was a SF and since he's always played there that's probably what they envision for him.
You're right about Clarkson and Russell though. Both those guys are more natural SG's.
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Jeanie is done w/ Lakers' inability to get stars in Laker Land, & she had always seemed convinced Cousins could calm down in their setting.
do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?
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thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie and then allowed Magic to veto a deal over Ingram? Yikes.
do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?
It would be pretty odd for a team to allow an outgoing GM to veto a trade 3 days before they fired him don't you think? I highly doubt this decision was a sudden one. If Jeannie thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie why wouldn't she have stepped in?