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NFT: Knicks Chat: Rose has multiple suitors

DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 9:08 am
According to ESPNs Ian Begley, the Timberwolves have talked to the Knicks about a possible trade involving Rose. Begley reports that it is unclear what the Timberwolves would offer the Knicks for the former MVP. The Timberwolves arent the only team inquiring about Rose as Begley reports that several teams have reached out to the Knicks about their starting point guard.

-Berman is implying Melo prefers LAC/LAL over Cleveland, Boston etc but like everyone else he's saying a deal would be shocking.

-Steve Kyler says Paul has a verbal agreement to remain with LAC and will be official once the new CBA begins.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 2:56 pm : link
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Watched a bunch of Jonathan Isaac video and I have no idea if hell be good but holy hell Im intrigued.
More I hear about NO's  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 2:57 pm : link
FA situation next year the more I think it's not gonna work out with Boogie. Really can't see how they add to their roster without doling out multiple 1sts to get rid of their contracts. Could end up being a BKN-BOS situation again. Would love to get a piece of the action
Wow.  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:03 pm : link
The Blazers are taking calls and listening to trade offers for Damian Lillard. (via @AmicoHoops)
Bill Reiter says Kupchak blew the Boogie deal  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:04 pm : link
One source close to the situation said Kupchak and Jeanie Buss had not spoken since Nov. 1, despite her role as president of basketball operations and the power that gave her to fire Kupchak, and that her brother had resorted to communicating with his sister only through lawyers. The same source said Jeanie never was informed of a potential DeMarcus Cousins trade over the weekend and described a chaotic scene in which Jim Buss insisted low-level basketball officials vote on the proposed deal while Jeanie and Magic were left in the dark.
This is a perfect exempt of what needs to change, the source said.
Wait Till Mom Finds Out  
Suburbanites : 2/21/2017 3:06 pm : link
Wow, she fired her own brother what a biotch. No wonder Phil has been nothing but a tormented soul since he got here. Can you imagine how much testosterone she's sucked out of him.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:08 pm : link
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Can confirm @ESPNSteinLine report Pistons are open to inquiries for Drummond. Sounds more exploratory, gauging temperature of interest.
RE: Wait Till Mom Finds Out  
Giantology : 2/21/2017 3:13 pm : link
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Wow, she fired her own brother what a biotch. No wonder Phil has been nothing but a tormented soul since he got here. Can you imagine how much testosterone she's sucked out of him. Link - ( New Window )


Her brother sucked, has sucked, and the Lakers needed to go in a different direction. Not sure you how you interpretted that as her being a biotch or "sucking the testosterone" out of Phil, but it seems like you might have some problems with women.
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djm : 2/21/2017 3:17 pm : link
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thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie and then allowed Magic to veto a deal over Ingram? Yikes.



do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?



It would be pretty odd for a team to allow an outgoing GM to veto a trade 3 days before they fired him don't you think? I highly doubt this decision was a sudden one. If Jeannie thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie why wouldn't she have stepped in?


I was thinking that the lakers wacked the GM because he didn't pull the trigger on boogie. Could be a stretch...who knows.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:19 pm : link
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thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie and then allowed Magic to veto a deal over Ingram? Yikes.



do we know for sure magic vetoed the deal?



It would be pretty odd for a team to allow an outgoing GM to veto a trade 3 days before they fired him don't you think? I highly doubt this decision was a sudden one. If Jeannie thought LAL was a good fit for Boogie why wouldn't she have stepped in?



I was thinking that the lakers wacked the GM because he didn't pull the trigger on boogie. Could be a stretch...who knows.


I just don't understand why Buss would allow Kupchak to have ANY say if she wanted Boogie so badly. The claim is the GM/Buss didn't even speak since November, how can you both be hands on/furious and let the GM do as he pleases?
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djm : 2/21/2017 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13366848 giantsfan44ab said:
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FA situation next year the more I think it's not gonna work out with Boogie. Really can't see how they add to their roster without doling out multiple 1sts to get rid of their contracts. Could end up being a BKN-BOS situation again. Would love to get a piece of the action


I don't think NO ends up that desperate. They have two monster players in the front court. Both young. If I am them I grind things out for as long as possible and not make any panic desperate deals. Maybe they go the nets route but I don't think they have to.
sorry I am a little late to the boogie LAL GM fuck up  
djm : 2/21/2017 3:21 pm : link
I posted before reading those last few posts. Looks like that was in fact the case. Not surprised.

Magic is going to stir shit up in LA. That's for damn sure. May it blow up in your face, magic.
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djm : 2/21/2017 3:22 pm : link
that is weird. But then again people are weird lol.
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Eli Wilson : 2/21/2017 3:24 pm : link
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And take Rambis with him. I'm not sure how the league "allows" his wife to be an executive with the Lakers, while he is coaching the Knicks.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:25 pm : link
be pretty shocking to see Lillard or Drummond moved but fun to see "big names" available.
So long, Fredo Buss.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/21/2017 3:26 pm : link
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Ten Ton Hammer : 2/21/2017 3:27 pm : link
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And take Rambis with him. I'm not sure how the league "allows" his wife to be an executive with the Lakers, while he is coaching the Knicks.


They're not married, and they're no longer engaged. I think they're actually split. It was in the news a bit ago.
Shaq's  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:28 pm : link
son vs. Manute Bol's son (Bol Bol) people are going nuts for Bol Bol
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giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 3:29 pm : link
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FA situation next year the more I think it's not gonna work out with Boogie. Really can't see how they add to their roster without doling out multiple 1sts to get rid of their contracts. Could end up being a BKN-BOS situation again. Would love to get a piece of the action



I don't think NO ends up that desperate. They have two monster players in the front court. Both young. If I am them I grind things out for as long as possible and not make any panic desperate deals. Maybe they go the nets route but I don't think they have to.


Well it would take tremendous patience on NO's part. Their roster is awful. AWFUL. They probably have the worst 4-15 guys in the NBA after Davis, DMC and Holiday. Playoffs are no guanrantes, and I'd say odds are against them getting the 8th seed.

Then you have the risk of Holiday leaving. And if you keep Holiday, they only have the MLE to upgrade their roster. Then you assume Davis and Holiday stay healthy.

Not saying they didn't make a smart move buying super low on Dmc. But they're gonna feel the burn of paying Asik, Moore, Ajinca, and Hill heart $40M a year. Their terrible management of the last 3-4 years is going to bite them in the ass for making a move like this. Not even factoring in how injury-prone Davis and Holiday are. Everything has to go right for them and nothing can really go wrong for them the next season and a half.
marc stein on zach lowes podcast  
nygiants16 : 2/21/2017 3:32 pm : link
said he believes the tose to minnesota deal is happening, i dont know if it was his opinion or based on what he was hearing
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Eli Wilson : 2/21/2017 3:34 pm : link
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And take Rambis with him. I'm not sure how the league "allows" his wife to be an executive with the Lakers, while he is coaching the Knicks.



They're not married, and they're no longer engaged. I think they're actually split. It was in the news a bit ago.


Sorry, I meant Kurt Rambis, whose wife works for the Lakers as well.
If it's true that Minny approached the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2017 3:35 pm : link
I can't see how it doesn't get done. I hope KOQ isn't just some throw in - he should net a draft pick from Minny, or be moved separately for a draft pick.
I'm actually slowly starting to convince myself  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 3:36 pm : link
that NO trading for DMC was a bad move, not even for cousins attitude issues. God why couldn't Davis just wait out his deal and sign in Chicago?
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Suburbanites : 2/21/2017 3:44 pm : link
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Wow, she fired her own brother what a biotch. No wonder Phil has been nothing but a tormented soul since he got here. Can you imagine how much testosterone she's sucked out of him. Link - ( New Window )



Her brother sucked, has sucked, and the Lakers needed to go in a different direction. Not sure you how you interpretted that as her being a biotch or "sucking the testosterone" out of Phil, but it seems
like you might have some problems with women.


Oh go fuck yourself, I was joking around and you have to turn a paragraph in jest into a woe me misogyny whine. What qualifications do you have? You can't even spell interpreted correctly, dumb ass. Got to love the sanctimonious tough guy act from some guy in his moms basement.
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Jon in NYC : 2/21/2017 3:45 pm : link
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said he believes the tose to minnesota deal is happening, i dont know if it was his opinion or based on what he was hearing


It just makes too much sense not to. Rose is a Thibs player and Rubio is exactly what Phil/Horny have in mind as a PG. A true thinker who can play D and make his teammates better.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:47 pm : link
rather keep KOQ than include him and take back Muhammad. He's a block hole.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 3:57 pm : link
Best part of Rubio potentially being a Knick will be the articles about him working with shooting coach X and how great he looks! #Knicks
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TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 4:02 pm : link
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Best part of Rubio potentially being a Knick will be the articles about him working with shooting coach X and how great he looks! #Knicks


I'd do a Rose for Rubio swap but the Knicks need to get a sweetener for taking the extra years on his deal. Pick swap/ 2nd round pick- something.
Rubio/Smart  
Deej : 2/21/2017 4:03 pm : link
no idea if we can get either one, but if we're going to rebuild and lose for a few years I'd very much like to do it playing entergetic, committed defense. Rather than track meet no-D games. Lay down a foundation of defense and commitment.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 4:05 pm : link
can't imagine Rubio would stop them from drafting a PG. Might stop them from reaching for one.
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Greg from LI : 2/21/2017 4:05 pm : link
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rather keep KOQ than include him and take back Muhammad. He's a block hole.


You know, since I never watch Minnesota games I took a look at his stats. Man, you're not kidding about being a black hole - his ast/36 is 0.9. That's unspeakably bad.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 4:09 pm : link
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rather keep KOQ than include him and take back Muhammad. He's a block hole.



You know, since I never watch Minnesota games I took a look at his stats. Man, you're not kidding about being a black hole - his ast/36 is 0.9. That's unspeakably bad.


I was just telling EricNY33 that I've honestly NEVER seen a 3 play as much as he does with so few assists. It seems nearly impossible to do.
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djm : 2/21/2017 4:09 pm : link
that Minny likely couldn't trade for Rose before the Knicks did? That they basically couldn't make the salaries work or didn't have the resources to make a deal with Chicago? Just wanted to eliminate the concern that Minny would have just traded for Rose last year if they wanted him so badly now . I guess they didn't have the guy like Lopez and cheap filler Grant to deal?

I just hate getting my hopes up at the deadline for the Knicks to deal vets for picks or assets only to be disappointed.
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Jon in NYC : 2/21/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13366938 DanMetroMan said:
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can't imagine Rubio would stop them from drafting a PG. Might stop them from reaching for one.


This. Rubio is big enough that he can guard 1s and 2s. This frees them up to get someone like Monk who is a combo guard.
even for Rubio  
djm : 2/21/2017 4:12 pm : link
I just hate watching opposing PGs shred the Knicks every night. Rose in the right place could serve a purpose but I think Rubio could be better than Rose here with the Knicks. He plays D and passes. At the very least i'd be curious to see the differences in team play from Rose to Rubio. Really it would be fascinating to see. Polar opposites.
Schmeelk  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 4:12 pm : link
on the deal-
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djm : 2/21/2017 4:14 pm : link
the BBALL book probably says the Knicks would benefit greatly from a Rose for Rubio trade. Maybe I am a hopeless dreamer but I could see Rubio peaking here in NY. Knicks really need a gritty PG type more than a star scoring PG.
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dep026 : 2/21/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13366947 djm said:
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I just hate watching opposing PGs shred the Knicks every night. Rose in the right place could serve a purpose but I think Rubio could be better than Rose here with the Knicks. He plays D and passes. At the very least i'd be curious to see the differences in team play from Rose to Rubio. Really it would be fascinating to see. Polar opposites.


1. If you trade for Rubio, you need to trade Melo. Rubio's strength of a passer would be negated with Melo's iso ball. Getting a guy like Smart somehow, would give you a good defensive backcourt (even though personally I find rubio's defense overrated.)
2. Rubio would be the point guard to vaunt Porz into the leading man, but you would need a shooter to pair with them. A guy like Monk would be ideal, but may be unrealistic. But then in the draft, you would look at a tatum or Isaacs.
3. Even with Rubio, Rambis needs to be fire, as his defensive scheme is worst than players defensive abilities - which is say something.
Isaac  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 4:17 pm : link
sounds like he has beast upside. I've only seen him once and his body (how thin he was) really stood out but I'm trying not to get my hopes up on one of the big PG's or Jackson so Isaac stands out as "hmmm"
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Deej : 2/21/2017 4:21 pm : link
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rather keep KOQ than include him and take back Muhammad. He's a block hole.



You know, since I never watch Minnesota games I took a look at his stats. Man, you're not kidding about being a black hole - his ast/36 is 0.9. That's unspeakably bad.



I was just telling EricNY33 that I've honestly NEVER seen a 3 play as much as he does with so few assists. It seems nearly impossible to do.


Oubre is no "fan of passing"
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It's a fun year to actually have a lottery pick.  
bceagle05 : 2/21/2017 4:22 pm : link
Five good PGs, Monk, Jackson, Isaac, Tatum, Bridges. Any of them would help us, regardless of what happens in the next 24 hours.
Yuck  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 4:23 pm : link
Really not a fan of players like that (I'd obviously take 21 year old Oubre as part of a Melo deal and hope for the best)
RE: Isaac  
giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13366954 DanMetroMan said:
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sounds like he has beast upside. I've only seen him once and his body (how thin he was) really stood out but I'm trying not to get my hopes up on one of the big PG's or Jackson so Isaac stands out as "hmmm"


Isaac, tatum, Jackson. Any one of them. All of them have good two way potential. Weight is more of a concern for Isaac than Jackson as he'll be a 3 in the NBA, but he's more athletic than say a Brandon Ingram.
Nets expected to land a #1  
DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 4:24 pm : link
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Teams pursuing Brooklyns Bojan Bogdanovic suggest theyre ramping up on offers, process moving closer to Nets choosing best available deal.
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TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 4:24 pm : link
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Does Schmeelk really think the Knicks have any shot on Steph Curry, Lowry, CP in free agency? There are reasons not to trade for Rubio. Having cap room for a marquee free agent isn't one of them.
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Greg from LI : 2/21/2017 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13366954 DanMetroMan said:
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sounds like he has beast upside. I've only seen him once and his body (how thin he was) really stood out but I'm trying not to get my hopes up on one of the big PG's or Jackson so Isaac stands out as "hmmm"


Isaac is skinny, but 1)he's only 19 and can fill out 2)he can play a hard-nosed game when he has too. If we don't end up with one of the point guards, then Isaac is my next choice.
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giantsfan44ab : 2/21/2017 4:26 pm : link
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Does Schmeelk really think the Knicks have any shot on Steph Curry, Lowry, CP in free agency? There are reasons not to trade for Rubio. Having cap room for a marquee free agent isn't one of them.


CP3 already said he's staying in LA.
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DanMetroMan : 2/21/2017 4:30 pm : link
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sounds like he has beast upside. I've only seen him once and his body (how thin he was) really stood out but I'm trying not to get my hopes up on one of the big PG's or Jackson so Isaac stands out as "hmmm"



Isaac is skinny, but 1)he's only 19 and can fill out 2)he can play a hard-nosed game when he has too. If we don't end up with one of the point guards, then Isaac is my next choice.


Physically/build wise he sort of reminds me of Bosh at the same stage but yeah he didn't shy away from contact. He's very interesting
pfft. we have seen that making cap room for FAs is  
Heisenberg : 2/21/2017 4:31 pm : link
overrated. Waiting for CP3, etc is dumb.
That Sckmelk piece  
Deej : 2/21/2017 4:34 pm : link
is terrible. It reads like he doesnt know much. And not to stick up for Rose too much, but calling a trade of Rose "addition by subtraction" is silly.
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TyreeHelmet : 2/21/2017 4:37 pm : link
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Five good PGs, Monk, Jackson, Isaac, Tatum, Bridges. Any of them would help us, regardless of what happens in the next 24 hours.


Dream scenario with the 1st overall pick, who you taking for the Knicks? For me its Ball, Fultz or Smith. I look forward to watching more of these guys.
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