NFT: The kid attacked by the pit bull in East NY

awful story. What a brave boy.

and best wishes to him and his family.

Such an awful story. I have to admit when I first started reading I was thinking fuck this stupid father for having a pit bull. Poor guy was just doing a favor for a neighbor. Just awful. I hope the kid recovers.

why would you want to force him to sit courtside at a Nets game?

Anyone with contact to a real team, I would love to see that.

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not getting the shit sued out of them? How does this family not have some kind of public fund that can help the kid out?

Shit like this makes no sense.

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In comment 13366754 djm said:

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not getting the shit sued out of them?

Judgement proof?

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not getting the shit sued out of them? How does this family not have some kind of public fund that can help the kid out? Shit like this makes no sense.

It just happened, I'm guessing the parents will file a lawsuit at some point. Right now they are probably more concerned with their sons welfare.

I never understood the need to own such an animal. I read in the Post today that pit-bulls are not allowed in NYHA buildings. If they aren't allowed there, why allow them anywhere in NYC? What would be the harm in outlawing these sorts of dogs? They seem totally unnecessary to me.

argument there are always a bunch of self-centered idiots who will claim that its a free country and their rights to [fill in the blank] are being violated.

are not the problem -- it's the humans that raise them and teach them to be aggressive that are the problem

I own a dog that is part pit bull and she is the sweetest, most loving animal I've ever been associated with

that the kid can't get the operation before all that legal crap even gets ironed out.

more just venting.

pit bull owner has much money to be sued for.

there cannot be any reconstruction surgery for some time. The massive inflammation of his remaining facial tissue has to subside first. So, there is time to put together a substantial fund to pay for this.

In comment 13366863 gidiefor said:

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are not the problem -- it's the humans that raise them and teach them to be aggressive that are the problem I own a dog that is part pit bull and she is the sweetest, most loving animal I've ever been associated with

Yah but you don't really hear about this type of thing with other breeds, it's always Pits and Rots that have the potential, and people always blame the owner. I don't buy that every single time. You will often hear after these reports that the "dog never bit anybody" and "was always a sweet dog." Sorry but it's in their DNA. Rarely do you hear, oh a German Sheperd did it, or a Golden retriever did it. I am sure it happens with other breeds, but is much, much rarer.

slept instead of watching his 5, 3, and 1 year old, then 'fainted' when rescuers came?

uh, yeah, sure.

feel bad for all three of his kids.

In comment 13366936 I Love Clams Casino said:

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In comment 13366863 gidiefor said: Quote: are not the problem -- it's the humans that raise them and teach them to be aggressive that are the problem I own a dog that is part pit bull and she is the sweetest, most loving animal I've ever been associated with Yah but you don't really hear about this type of thing with other breeds, it's always Pits and Rots that have the potential, and people always blame the owner. I don't buy that every single time. You will often hear after these reports that the "dog never bit anybody" and "was always a sweet dog." Sorry but it's in their DNA. Rarely do you hear, oh a German Sheperd did it, or a Golden retriever did it. I am sure it happens with other breeds, but is much, much rarer.

Clams - that is shear ignorance

but at the same time, there's no doubt that some people are attracted to that bad rep and breed/raise pits as less than friendly dogs. and the media is quite glad to sensationalize any story involving pits.

no one should paint with too broad a brush in either direction.

State needs to step in if not. God bless that little man.

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Both pit bulls were seized by the city’s Animal Care and Control and are under observation. Their fate remains uncertain

"Uncertain", sure.

of pit bull owners who claim there's nothing inherently violent about the breed and that attacks can always be put on the shoulders of negligent or abusive owners. A friend of my fathers who is a really nice guy and as far from violent as you can get lost his thumb to his pit after raising him from a puppy (the dog was 8 at the time of the attack). He bent over to put his food bowl down one day and the dog just attacked him. Doctors were unable to reattach the thumb because the dog chewed the hell out of it. There was also a little girl who was attacked at a park in the next town over when I was in high school. It grabbed her by the foot/ankle and ripped her off a swing set. Again, the owners were a well regarded family and the dog had never shown violent tendencies.

I know these owners have good intentions and just love their dogs, but you read about these attacks fairly frequently. I'm obviously not a dog psychologist but it seems to me something doesn't quite add up here.

In comment 13367007 fkap said:

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but at the same time, there's no doubt that some people are attracted to that bad rep and breed/raise pits as less than friendly dogs. and the media is quite glad to sensationalize any story involving pits. no one should paint with too broad a brush in either direction.

Sensationalize? Like describing how a pit mauled some persons face or arm? My goodness i cant believe the lengths people go to defend a breed that is such a menace.

on the head yesterday and she just sat patiently and licked him

Anyone who has seen any science shows on dog breeds/breeding should know better than that. If you take a powerful breed, mate them, and repeatedly select for the most aggressive member of the litter, you will get a ridiculously aggressive group of dogs in a handful of generations. Selective breeding in dogs moves remarkably quickly.

Now, it's on the breeders for doing this, but this is a lot more than training. It's selective breeding, and since so many pits are selected for aggressive tendencies by breeders who are up to no good, you can ruin a portion of the breed in a few decades, if that. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to know if you have a dog that has been ruined genetically until it shows aggressive traits. And, of course, training can make it worse. But it starts with breeding techniques.

and the sweetest dog I have ever had. I think they are great dogs, but do understand that some view them differently. I always say that pitbulls are the dogs most commonly owned by idiots. They used to be considered a top family dog, but as Manh George said, people have ruined them fairly quickly. Way too many people want to have an aggressive dog or tough-looking dog. Way too many people get these dogs and don't train or socialize them and just leave them locked up all day. Due to the way they are bred there are some "bad apples" out there. Dogs that are inbred (puppy farms or people trying to make quick $ do this) also come out "not right" a lot of the time and can be prone to health issues or aggressive behavior.

And other breeds certainly do attack and injure people. I know someone who's little daughter got her face mauled by a German Shepard that she was petting. You did not see that on the news.

Pitbulls are also the most commonly misidentified dogs. Many people see what they think is a pitbull when it is not. Many other dogs get confused for them. This doesn't excuse dogs biting people or unqualified idiots owning a dog they shouldn't have, but they do get mislabeled some of the time.

In comment 13367047 gidiefor said:

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on the head yesterday and she just sat patiently and licked him

Well I guess that settles the debate

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slept instead of watching his 5, 3, and 1 year old, then 'fainted' when rescuers came? uh, yeah, sure. feel bad for all three of his kids.

5 yo is not a qualified babysitter

Weird you couldn't post the gofundme. It's linked in the article though.

I get Eric's point. Before they prohibited direct links to charities and funding sites, BBI got inundated, and there was no way too control quality.

So, people can do what I did: describe the situation, and assume that people who want to contribute can find their way to the link.

It's in the article for those interested.

In comment 13366863 gidiefor said:

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are not the problem -- it's the humans that raise them and teach them to be aggressive that are the problem I own a dog that is part pit bull and she is the sweetest, most loving animal I've ever been associated with

thank you giddie..this is it in a nutshell about pitt bulls and misconceptions

this is a horrible story and thought with the boy and recovery.

this issue? I'd at least a dozen. How many time have we debated this issue regarding any other breed? Um, none. That's because this breed is responsible for more maulings and deaths every year than any other breed. They are able to cause grievous injury and death because of their physiology and aggressiveness. Saying that your dog is sweet and loving doesn't change that fact. These dogs have proven themselves to be the most dangerous breed and the statistics bear that out. Not every pit attacks people, but to ignore their capabilities and to blame people for it doesn't change the fact that their potential for violence is real.

I respect you but Pitbillls should be erased from the earth.

It's not about handling, if you mishandle an Irish Setter, which is a much more majestic dog than a pit bull, he/she doesn't kill somebody.

If you are a parent and you buy/ adopt, take care of a pit bull when you have children that are exposed, you deserve to go to jail and lose your rights to parenthood.

Pit bulls are bad, fuck the mistreated bullshit. They need to be non- existent. Would you raise a tiger from a cub and not blame it for killing your child as it grew up?

I live in a Cul de sac with 8 houses, if someone owned a pit bull, I would have poisoned it or burned their house down. Allowing a pit bull to attack your children is a 20 year prison offense. Get a real dog, buy a German Shepard.

If you support or own a pit bull with children in your house or immediate area, you're a criminal. It's not that difficult to understand. I don't own a gun but would have no problem with any of my redneck republican neighbors shooting a rouge pit bull. Paying my property taxes on time provides me with the comfort that I don't have to deal with idiot's judgement regarding pets.

Get a turtle, it's safer.

Never a bad pun one unnoticed.

I ate leftovers instead of Chinese tonight and gave up the $50 to the brave 5 year old that protected his siblings.

Would not have been necessary if the parents had been more responsible.

Fuck randee, pit bulls need not to exist. Unless you're a drug dealer or Michael Vick, then by all means, make your case.

my dog was an abused animal. She was horribly mistreated - shot at and abandoned. She still has shot in her side.

I adore her and her personality., and wouldn't trade her for anything - and I mean it.

Fortunately, I don't live on a cul de sac - I live at the end of the road and my land is well protected with the nearest neighbor almost a half mile away,

This is how i feel - don;t come onto my property, and leave me and my girl alone

Yes, Pit bulls when they bite cause a lot more damage than most dogs. But to rank them as the dog that attacks or bites the most is absurd. You need to get your facts stright. I'm terrible at this site but will try to link two articles/studies that are independent. In the first article, taken from the Ohio Public health the top two dogs breeds that account for dog bites are mixes at one, and Labs/Or German Shepard's at two. The second article lists Labs at number one.

I'm not contesting that Pit Bull bites are bad. But to lump them into don't own them if you have kids, or your a criminal if you own a Pit Bull with kids is just opening your mouth without thinking or sensationalizing your speech.

This story is a sad story. I've donated to the family.




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In comment 13367431 gidiefor said:

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my dog was an abused animal. She was horribly mistreated - shot at and abandoned. She still has shot in her side. I adore her and her personality., and wouldn't trade her for anything - and I mean it. Fortunately, I don't live on a cul de sac - I live at the end of the road and my land is well protected with the nearest neighbor almost a half mile away, This is how i feel - don;t come onto my property, and leave me and my girl alone

We're not agreeing to disagree on anything. I'll come see you but I'm not bringing my kids to your house unless you get rid of the animal.

I'm a responsible parent, I don't put my children in a situation I can't control.

You can come visit me at the beach though, I have a Rottweiler puppy that you won't be able to leave alone. She's too cute. I'm going to name her Rhiannon and call her Rhi Rhi if I decide to keep her.

I may hold out for my German Sheperd later in life though. There is no substitute.

In comment 13367433 rob13934 said:

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Yes, Pit bulls when they bite cause a lot more damage than most dogs. But to rank them as the dog that attacks or bites the most is absurd. You need to get your facts stright. I'm terrible at this site but will try to link two articles/studies that are independent. In the first article, taken from the Ohio Public health the top two dogs breeds that account for dog bites are mixes at one, and Labs/Or German Shepard's at two. The second article lists Labs at number one. I'm not contesting that Pit Bull bites are bad. But to lump them into don't own them if you have kids, or your a criminal if you own a Pit Bull with kids is just opening your mouth without thinking or sensationalizing your speech. This story is a sad story. I've donated to the family. Link - ( New Window )

Bullshit, they shouldn't exist. They are life trheatening when not controlled properly. Most people have no idea how to control them. Based on my experince that most people are idiots, I don't blame the dogs but why take the chance.

Own what you want, you bring it near children where the possibility of death because of a mistake is possible, then you should not be a parent. Fuck the dog, kid's are more important. If you don't believe that then you need to be sent somewhere where you and your dog can be happy together, just not in society.

Just sayin'

you don't do your argument a favor by saying

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Fortunately, I don't live on a cul de sac - I live at the end of the road and my land is well protected with the nearest neighbor almost a half mile away,"

so either your dog can be trusted with small children, or you're lucky that small children are not in the vicinity.

There's a difference between a dog that doesn't bite family and a dog that is more than willing to bite non family. I don't doubt that you and your family can playfully smack your dog around. but if I enter your domain, can I? Will I be accepted as one of the pack, or am I an intruder to be aggressed? I've been in both type homes: dogs that say 'yay, another hand to pet me' and dogs that say 'don't fucking even think about touching me or any of my pack'. If you're telling me "don;t come onto my property, and leave me and my girl alone", that doesn't exactly tell me your dog (or you) is a warm loveable creature.



but (not to gidie) here's a news flash. Dogs bite. Cats bite, fish bite. every critter that has a mouth will bite. know your audience. a dog that needs to be crated is likely to bite. a 5 year old, or a 3 year old, or a 1 year old, is likely to go to the cage. How about you lay off the drugs/alcohol and watch the situation? that way, after your kid has been mauled nearly to death, you don't pass out again when the rescuers are there. I'm not going to gofund a father who will find a way to divert the funds to a recreational use.

In comment 13367434 rob13934 said:

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These statistics seems skewed. Both links list labs as the largest bite, however labs are also the most owned dogs in the US. If you are not taking into account the percentage of the population that the breed represents than the amount of bites by breed means little. A quick google search suggests there are roughly 3x the amount of labs in the US than pits. There are similar numbers of pits and GSDs, however GSDs seem to have a higher bite ratio (using the data in the first link).

There is also a strange narrative about pit bites being being more likely to be reported than bites from other breeds in one of the links, however there is not statistic to back that up. Also these links doesn't take into account bite force, generally a little over 2x higher in pits than in labs.

I've known plenty of good pits. They really can be great dogs. But I have known a few shitty ones too.

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I'm not going to gofund a father who will find a way to divert the funds to a recreational use.

I haven't seen anything to suggest the parent was under the influence during the attack. Did I miss something? I only read the post article.

Here are some facts:

1)Every dog is potentially dangerous. Every single one of them. They may be domesticated, but they are still animals. They can't speak, so they give you warning signs to leave them alone - bared teeth, aggressive posture, growling. If you continue to pester a dog beyond that point, which children frequently do as they don't recognize the warnings, even the most socialized dog will bite.

2)The breeding of pit bulls does produce a dog with increased aggression - towards other dogs. I would be reticent to own a pit bull alongside my dogs, but I wouldn't have any problem with a pit bull around my children. That's because we've stressed over and over again with our kids that, even with little dogs like ours, you have to give them some space and back off when they start signaling that they want to be left alone.

3)Pit bulls are indeed powerful. Many other breeds are also powerful. They aren't unique in that regard. Great Danes, mastiffs of all types, German shepherds and Malinois, Rottweilers, Dobermans, chows, etc, can all do major damage to people. Some of those are aggressive as well. Chows tend to be very aggressive around strangers, for example.

4)In the vast majority of cases, the problem isn't a bad dog. It's a bad owner.

it's my opinion.

a father slept through a vicious attack and then 'fainted' once rescuers arrived. that's straight from the article.

maybe I'm jumping to a wrong conclusion. I doubt it, though.

I took it as dude was napping on the couch after the 1 year old's birthday party while the kids were watching cartoons in the same room, the dog got loose and dad couldn't stop it in time because he was napping.

The fainting is odd, but I have no idea what would happen to me if I saw my son with no face. I can't even comprehend it honestly. I assume shock had a lot to do with his reaction, but I suppose it could have been drugs/alcohol.

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it's my opinion. a father slept through a vicious attack and then 'fainted' once rescuers arrived. that's straight from the article. maybe I'm jumping to a wrong conclusion. I doubt it, though.

How does one sleep through a kid being bitten? One scream would wake me up.

I just found this. Sheds a little more light on what happened and paints a different picture then what I had in my head originally.

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Rivera's father says he had taken a prescribed pain pill, and had fallen asleep. He woke up when another child called his name, and found Rivera face down in the bedroom.

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