As Bob Glauber of Newsday said during a Monday visit to PFT Live, the Giants believe the 36-year-old Manning has two or three quality years left. Glauber also pointed out that the team already has begun to detect a decline in Eli’s performance.
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Eli could rebound. Let's be honest the O has nowhere to go but up with even just a little bit of off-season work. He's not that old in terms of QB years. No major injuries or any degrading conditions we know about. He got better after 2013. He could now.
Probably not.
However, it is a very real possibility that someone whispered such. It's also a very real possibility that the author is just making shit up, or exaggerating what was said around the water cooler.
It is NOT at all outrageous to say Eli's days are numbered.
at any time, IF a prospect is to be had, the Giants better think about grabbing him. No need to act desperate this year. maybe not even next. But get real...Eli's days are numbered and winding down. how quickly they're winding down is pure conjecture.
It's not something the team would relay to a writer, but I do believe it's present.
Brady's an anomaly, I wouldn't plan for Eli to achieve the same.
Eli has had 3-4 years of a good OL and the last 6 of the other 9-10 have been progressively worse with no confidence in it and running for his life thanks to ignoring,'projects', and possible high pick mistakes thanks to a poor OL evaluating FO, and in fairness teams jumping in front of us for Solder, Conklin, Lewan,.
Eli has had 3-4 years of a good OL and the last 6 of the other 9-10 have been progressively worse with no confidence in it and running for his life thanks to ignoring,'projects', and possible high pick mistakes thanks to a poor OL evaluating FO, and in fairness teams jumping in front of us for Solder, Conklin, Lewan,.
Brady has had years-big years-when his offensive line was sub-par . Many people have suffered career setbacks because Eli wasn't as good as Brady or his brother. The expectations were such that only the absolute pinnacle was acceptable.
2-3 years is about right. Reese seemed to indicate as much in his season-wrapping presser. You don't mention looking for the successor if you think the current guy will be playing past 2-3. I hope Eli bounces back with s big 17. However I suspect he is declining . Nothing shameful about that. He's been a great Giant .
Sounds about right.
Eli didn't play well in 2017. It's not clear, however, how much of that is Eli and how much is the offensive line. Either way, they need to upgrade the line, either to help Eli, to help his successor, or both.
whether that is the entire story is another question.
Glauber is full of shit. When asked in the video clip regarding our OL and who is the nastiest player, he mentioned Pugh (and then Richburg). His analysis is garbage. Also, in the clip, it showed a ranking of OL who has allowed the most QB pressures. At least Flowers can claim to be good at something. Of course, he leads the league at 128. Also, in the list was Reiff at 93, which some on BBI seem to be clamoring for. Of course, Reiff would be an improvement from Flowers so there is that.
But it's not the entire story.
I just think we are seeing signs of some deteriorating play from a guy that has played a lot of football.
I am not putting him in a coffin yet and I am sure better Oline play would help, but I all things being equal I would expect more continued deterioration in 2017. I also think the guy can lead a Super Bowl run again too...but you know, it better be soon...
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has had an OL the keeps him upright and cofident of protection , with very little threat(except for 2.75 SBs) of eating much dirt since 2001, Wrs that get off the line quick, a miracle and secretive health regimen, and BB.
Eli has had 3-4 years of a good OL and the last 6 of the other 9-10 have been progressively worse with no confidence in it and running for his life thanks to ignoring,'projects', and possible high pick mistakes thanks to a poor OL evaluating FO, and in fairness teams jumping in front of us for Solder, Conklin, Lewan,.
Brady has had years-big years-when his offensive line was sub-par . Many people have suffered career setbacks because Eli wasn't as good as Brady or his brother. The expectations were such that only the absolute pinnacle was acceptable.
And certain people are now likely HoFers instead of ending up as classier Jeff Fishers in large part because of their tenure with him as their QB.
Regardless of whether he's in decline now or not, whether they should be bringing on another QB or not, the idea that Eli has hurt a significant number of careers is agenda-driven nonsense.
It happens.
Just being prepared for transition and hope for best in that transition from eli to next future qb
From what I have seen, he just hasn't been as consistent nor made as good a decision with the ball, which I'd say is more of a mental thing/product of a sub-par Oline/supporting cast outside Odell.
Fixing the offensive line getting a real running game and having a real option opposite OBJ would do wonders. Eli may not be able to carry a team on his back like 2011, but he's certainly capable of putting up points in a decent offense.
Will he play past 40? Who knows...but he can win a SuperBowl in the next 3 years, if the Giants can make the right moves.
There were three holes on the 2016 line that was attempting to protect Eli.
Because that is the only true way you can rate them.
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told Glauber they could detect a decline in Eli's play - or that there was a defined window for his remaining years of play
Glauber is full of shit. When asked in the video clip regarding our OL and who is the nastiest player, he mentioned Pugh (and then Richburg). His analysis is garbage. Also, in the clip, it showed a ranking of OL who has allowed the most QB pressures. At least Flowers can claim to be good at something. Of course, he leads the league at 128. Also, in the list was Reiff at 93, which some on BBI seem to be clamoring for. Of course, Reiff would be an improvement from Flowers so there is that.
128? Jeez, that's 8 a friggin game!
If Flowers isn't moved from LT with those numbers, I doubt Eli will make it 2-3 more years.
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told Glauber they could detect a decline in Eli's play - or that there was a defined window for his remaining years of play
Glauber is full of shit. When asked in the video clip regarding our OL and who is the nastiest player, he mentioned Pugh (and then Richburg). His analysis is garbage. Also, in the clip, it showed a ranking of OL who has allowed the most QB pressures. At least Flowers can claim to be good at something. Of course, he leads the league at 128. Also, in the list was Reiff at 93, which some on BBI seem to be clamoring for. Of course, Reiff would be an improvement from Flowers so there is that.
128? Jeez, that's 8 a friggin game!
If Flowers isn't moved from LT with those numbers, I doubt Eli will make it 2-3 more years.
That's over the last 2 seasons, so 4 per game, which is still a lot.
This will be the storyline if the offense continues to flail around. The house organs will make sure Eli gets the blame. Ought to be a lot of fun when Archie gets pissed off and starts spouting to the newspapers.
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told Glauber they could detect a decline in Eli's play - or that there was a defined window for his remaining years of play
Glauber is full of shit. When asked in the video clip regarding our OL and who is the nastiest player, he mentioned Pugh (and then Richburg). His analysis is garbage. Also, in the clip, it showed a ranking of OL who has allowed the most QB pressures. At least Flowers can claim to be good at something. Of course, he leads the league at 128. Also, in the list was Reiff at 93, which some on BBI seem to be clamoring for. Of course, Reiff would be an improvement from Flowers so there is that.
128? Jeez, that's 8 a friggin game!
If Flowers isn't moved from LT with those numbers, I doubt Eli will make it 2-3 more years.
As PJ indicated, that is over 2 years. This year alone, Flowers and Hart combined for over 100 QB pressures. Regardless of what metric you want to use, our OL is a shitshow. But people want to blame Eli (who had one of the quickest releases at less than 3 seconds).
But Eli also seemed to contribute to the struggle.
No idea why it has to be one or the other. Eli had happy feet and seemed to sometimes sense pressure that wasn't there, he was inaccurate at times when he had time, and he made some poor decisions and the offense didn't have the depth to accommodate for the poor decisions this year.
But Eli also seemed to contribute to the struggle.
No idea why it has to be one or the other. Eli had happy feet and seemed to sometimes sense pressure that wasn't there, he was inaccurate at times when he had time, and he made some poor decisions and the offense didn't have the depth to accommodate for the poor decisions this year.
Do you feel better when you bash Eli?
How much film have you looked at? Have you watched the all 22 film?
Team sport. Only a moron blames the QB for everything.
A Vet with Happy Feet? Do you even know what that means or have you been watching ESPN.
Inaccurate? Do you even know the pass routes?
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blame Eli. The offense struggled for a lot of reasons, including the OL struggles the issues rushing the ball, the lack of weapons at TE and WR even.
But Eli also seemed to contribute to the struggle.
No idea why it has to be one or the other. Eli had happy feet and seemed to sometimes sense pressure that wasn't there, he was inaccurate at times when he had time, and he made some poor decisions and the offense didn't have the depth to accommodate for the poor decisions this year.
Do you feel better when you bash Eli?
How much film have you looked at? Have you watched the all 22 film?
Team sport. Only a moron blames the QB for everything.
A Vet with Happy Feet? Do you even know what that means or have you been watching ESPN.
Inaccurate? Do you even know the pass routes?
I don't even know why I bother replying to you. You don't seem to be able to read.
I said I don't "blame" Eli for the offense.
I said the offense struggled for a number of reasons.
Happy feet is when the QB is jittery in the pocket sensing pressure that isn't there. You don't need to be an expert to know what it is. If you don't know what the term means I don't know what to tell you.
Inaccurate is obvious on some plays. If you can't spot Eli missing an open receiver that's on you. I'm comfortable I can tell when Eli misses a receiver.
So, no I don't bash Eli, but it's absolutely mind boggling why some people get so offended when someone suggests Eli was part of the problem. Because he was.
It is normal, expected, and perfectly acceptable for 36 year old QBs to demonstrate decline. To act as if it's not happening makes you sound strange.
He isn't Brady. He won't be around into his 40s. Players like that are huge exceptions to the norm.
Slow night in the OR?
She Hunter? She Simo? C'mon, it's the offseason, could be the thread of the month, who are you? You're not a chick, have you seen Tootsie lately? Gives us a hint, I'm a Barilko fan but it's obvious to me. I could be wrong though...
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does not get set up. before he throws the ball. He tries to run and abandons the play. The Mannings Archie Peyton and Eli have always moved there feet in the pocket its how they set up and throw. No one doubted Peyton when he was doing it. When Rothlesburger does it its extending the play. Its cheap way for a media guy to take a shot. But then again most people don't listen to the media and take everything they say as gospel.
Slow night in the OR?
She Hunter? She Simo? C'mon, it's the offseason, could be the thread of the month, who are you? You're not a chick, have you seen Tootsie lately? Gives us a hint, I'm a Barilko fan but it's obvious to me. I could be wrong though...
I the ED actually. Two ODs a car accident and a attempted suicide right now. So normal night. Other trauma center is on diversion.
I am me no one else
My Dad played college and coached HS Football. Thats where I learned about the game. He was a huge Giants fan. It was our bond.
You can't support both Eli and Mac. It's obvious Mac held Eli back this year.
State your position, your true identity and how a female is suffering from ED.
Unless of course you are a horse of course, I mean the famous Mster ED.
You can't support both Eli and Mac. It's obvious Mac held Eli back this year.
State your position, your true identity and how a female is suffering from ED.
Unless of course you are a horse of course, I mean the famous Mster ED.
ED stands for Emergency Department
Hitting the sauce tonight?
You're pretentending to be a woman with erectile dysfunction posting on BBI while working in the OR and I'm hitting the sauce?
white sauce on the shrimp and veges from Chinese takeout, much better than the brown sauce on the pork and snow peas.
Go bother someone that supports your man crush on Mac.
But consider: the offence should have been better. Flowers had a year's experience and was injury free. We effectively traded the dysfunctional wrong route running Randall for the functional Shepard. Tye should have been better going into his second year. In 2016 we were among the top leaders, in 2017 we were near dead last and only a dominant defense produced the 11 wins.
When the talent level goes up and the production goes down it's reasonable to assume one (or both) of two things: The coaching declined, or the QB declined.
The consensus among most football people in the know is that Ben Mc is a good coach respected by both management and the players, ergo .......!!!!
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told Glauber they could detect a decline in Eli's play - or that there was a defined window for his remaining years of play
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I just question how Glauber can say that the Giants are saying this to him
even if it's true that Eli is declining and that they think he only has 2-3 years left -- on what plane of reality are they going to tell this to Bob Glauber
that -- in itself makes the story in the op not believable
He's always been under the radar from an athletic standpoint and has had the arm strength to make some great downfield tosses but that has dissipated noticeably. He is still a streaky QB, prone to bad streaks and to stretches where he's in total command but that command comes from where all football success comes from, and that's an overall team effort. He needs time in the pocket, he needs a running game that is at least respectable and he needs edge protection that isn't as unreliable as a...(snarky political reference)..thing that's unreliable. Without those things he will look worse as any QB would but you have to look at his play in a vacuum to be really honest. Put down the "He won 2 super bowls" pom poms for a second and watch his play, it hasn't been as good period. There are voluminous reasons for it, hopefully they will be addressed this offseason but there is no doubt that he's not able to do this as effectively as he did a few short years ago.
Peyton won a SB with a crushing defense and solid rotation at RB and really had to very little beside cough up the game. Eli can do that and I believe to a higher degree because he's physically better than where Peyton was when he won that ring. Does he however have the mental makeup to realize his limitations and stick to what he does well or will he try to throw himself out of situations like he did in both of his SB triumphs? His game has to come back in a little bit and I think the coaches saw it last year and acted accordingly. He's not done, but he's inching closer to it and that's what fans need to accept and stop fighting the obvious results on the field.
Hi Mr Nassib. You son sucks and isn't the answer. Do u have another one we need to draft and now you are back?
McAdoo's 11 wins is coach of the year and don't question anything he did but Eli's 11 wins mean nothing. Yeah. Watch GB again. Eli isn't 32 anymore. But he's healthy. Never misses a snap. And his OL has been dog shit for 4 years.
I'm sure he isn't quite the same player he was at 30 but anyone they draft or bring in isn't going to be any better inthe next 2-3 years w this OL. Put the NFL's new darling Dak on this team and it's 5-11.