Jerry Reese. Reese has come to have a bit of a reputation for making what he thinks is a fair offer to prospective free-agents and letting them walk if they didn't like it. Even a great Giant who had a big hand in both championships, Justin Tuck, let out that he felt almost insulted by Reese's final offer to him.
Times have changed. It used to be "In Reese we Trust," but after several bad drafts, four years without making the playoffs, and the departure of the popular coach, it was starting to become more like "Reese is a Bust."
But this season was almost magical for Reese. Hitting on all three big ticket defensive free agents (I think all of them made 1st or 2nd team AP All Pro).
His judgment was being challenged on two expensive players he invested in last year, DRC and 2nd rounder Landon Collins. No more. Collins somehow morphed into one of the top defensive players in the NFC and DRC led the team with 6 picks and 21 pass defenses and, if you noticed, in the final regular season game against the Redskins he was just everywhere and was named defensive player of the week.
And Reese scored hits in the first two rounds of the draft. First round pick Eli Apple made the NFL.com all rookie team and had Gil Brandt gushing over him:
Some thought the Giants reached for Apple in the draft, but I think he outplayed expectations, posting 51 tackles, a pick and a forced fumble. Apple looks like he'll be a cornerback in the NFL for a long time; he can play inside or outside.
So Jerry Reese, who put so much effort into selecting these defensive players, and who's reputation as a GM can fly sky high next season, is the person more than any of us who wants this defense to stay intact and show what it can do.
Almost as if saying Jerry's ego is on the line is some kind of elevated analysis...
Jordan Raanan reported that the FO is interested in retaining the defensive pieces that were integral to our defense last year, namely JPP, Hanks, and KRob. Why they want to re-sign JPP isn't a question. He's a great player. 'Nough said. Speculating that this is some psychological egoism of Jerry Reese and that's the real reason is nonsense.
I love Tuck, but his time was up in NY. The Raiders over-paid him and wound up releasing him after an unproductive second year there- 5 games and just 14 tackles in year two with Oakland.
I've accepted the fact I'll never quite understand
is because of his ego and not because he wants to keep his defense in tact? Such a strange way to look at things. Can't that same logic be applied to any GM that needs to pay his good players?
If the speculation is right. Now as far as Hank goes, I'm indifferent if he goes or stays. I think they could find a DT on day 3 who can rotate in with Snacks, Thomas, and Bromley and still be a force vs the run.
If the speculation is right. Now as far as Hank goes, I'm indifferent if he goes or stays. I think they could find a DT on day 3 who can rotate in with Snacks, Thomas, and Bromley and still be a force vs the run.
My only worry with this line of thought is that there are only so many picks you can allocate. I know you're not saying this, but a lot of positions are being penciled in as picks: TE, WR#2, DE, DT, LB, ER, RB#2, OT, OG, etc. We can't expect all seven picks to be starters out of the gate. I'd rather invest in Hankins and free up our board to go after players that have impact without having to fill holes that we didn't have last year.
If the speculation is right. Now as far as Hank goes, I'm indifferent if he goes or stays. I think they could find a DT on day 3 who can rotate in with Snacks, Thomas, and Bromley and still be a force vs the run.
My only worry with this line of thought is that there are only so many picks you can allocate. I know you're not saying this, but a lot of positions are being penciled in as picks: TE, WR#2, DE, DT, LB, ER, RB#2, OT, OG, etc. We can't expect all seven picks to be starters out of the gate. I'd rather invest in Hankins and free up our board to go after players that have impact without having to fill holes that we didn't have last year.
I get what you're saying. My issue with Hankins though is he made very little impact last year. He's was playing out of position, rarely lining up over center. I just think we could make better use of resources, especially along the OL than tie it up to a run stuffing DT when we have the best in the business lining up next to him.
RE: RE: To me, this is the absolute right move here
If the speculation is right. Now as far as Hank goes, I'm indifferent if he goes or stays. I think they could find a DT on day 3 who can rotate in with Snacks, Thomas, and Bromley and still be a force vs the run.
My only worry with this line of thought is that there are only so many picks you can allocate. I know you're not saying this, but a lot of positions are being penciled in as picks: TE, WR#2, DE, DT, LB, ER, RB#2, OT, OG, etc. We can't expect all seven picks to be starters out of the gate. I'd rather invest in Hankins and free up our board to go after players that have impact without having to fill holes that we didn't have last year.
If Hankins leaves it is likely a couple of those other holes will be filled in FA.
I suspect the Giants don't view a couple of those positions as quite the dire situation BBI makes them out to be.
I think they are content with Casillas, Kennard, Goodson and Robinson. So long as they re-up Robinson I doubt they feel they need to force a pick at LB.
TE - we go through this every year. The Giants will look for bargains here. I'm not buying that they are looking TE early. Unless a TE is clearly BPA, I'm expecting TE in the mid rounds.
I think the Giants will view WR and OL as the biggest holes. OL will be helped in FA imo. WR is a strong candidate in the first round.
I suspect the Giants don't view a couple of those positions as quite the dire situation BBI makes them out to be.
I think they are content with Casillas, Kennard, Goodson and Robinson. So long as they re-up Robinson I doubt they feel they need to force a pick at LB.
TE - we go through this every year. The Giants will look for bargains here. I'm not buying that they are looking TE early. Unless a TE is clearly BPA, I'm expecting TE in the mid rounds.
I think the Giants will view WR and OL as the biggest holes. OL will be helped in FA imo. WR is a strong candidate in the first round.
Agree about LB. We'll likely look for another depth guy in middle rounds if available, but our LB play was pretty good last year. No pro bowlers, but not as terrible as in recent years
JPP was very good last year. 53 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 8 pass deflections and 1 TD in 12 games.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
JPP is still 28 years old. He had a back issue years ago. He was out of shape years ago. He has obviously adjusted to the hand issue. He is definitely one of the better 2 way DE's in the league and he is still under 30.
You are not finding a better player in this draft and Okwara is not his replacement.
JPP was very good last year. 53 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 8 pass deflections and 1 TD in 12 games.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
I agree that the Giants should resign JPP but on what planet did they get dominated in the run game in the 2nd cowboy game? You cant just make things up.
JPP was very good last year. 53 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 8 pass deflections and 1 TD in 12 games.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
I agree that the Giants should resign JPP but on what planet did they get dominated in the run game in the 2nd cowboy game? You cant just make things up.
They were being dominated in the first half.. The Cowboys stopped running the ball...
Jerry thinks that this defense can be really special and he won't weaken it. Yes, coaches and GMs do think about their legacy and how they will be judged by those that follow. Everyone wants to make the Hall of Fame.
Is absolutely essential, the good thing about having JPP and Vernon is how good they are both defending the run, even resigned I still hope they add another pass rusher, I feel this defense is one more good pass rusher away from being a dominant defense.
Anyone notice he posted a pic of JPP and not Hankins
Zeke was running right through us. He had 15 carries for 86 yards in the 1st half. That's 5.7 YPC. They stopped doing that for some reason. He still ended the game at 4.5 YPC. In the first game Zeke averaged 2.5 YPC.
JPP was very good last year. 53 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 8 pass deflections and 1 TD in 12 games.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
I agree that the Giants should resign JPP but on what planet did they get dominated in the run game in the 2nd cowboy game? You cant just make things up.
They were being dominated in the first half.. The Cowboys stopped running the ball...
how to read twitter...but I guess this is good huh
You're not alone. I don't even bother clicking the links to the twitter feed anymore. My brain just refused to get on board with twitter. Get the hell off my lawn.
Jerry thinks that this defense can be really special and he won't weaken it. Yes, coaches and GMs do think about their legacy and how they will be judged by those that follow. Everyone wants to make the Hall of Fame.
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Despite what the shrinks here said
Are you not the only person making statements regarding the mental state of our GM as a basis for your own opinions?
You've now expanded your diagnoses to all coaches and GMs...
If you don't think teammates have insight on moves being made then you really have no clue what you're talking about. I know a lot of NFL players personally. They know what's going on. Especially when it comes to teammates and friends. They know far before the public or even the media does. JPP & Janoris were friends prior to both playing for the Giants. I'm sure he has an idea of what's going on.
Just being inside the NFL circle you have more info. Bucs players that I know knew the Bucs signed Brent Grimes long before the media did. They knew about Doug Martin getting suspended long before the media did. Wade Phillips was the Broncos DC and he knew about the Eagles trading Bradford to the Vikings before there was even a whisper by the media about it.
If you don't think teammates have insight on moves being made then you really have no clue what you're talking about. I know a lot of NFL players personally. They know what's going on. Especially when it comes to teammates and friends. They know far before the public or even the media does. JPP & Janoris were friends prior to both playing for the Giants. I'm sure he has an idea of what's going on.
Just being inside the NFL circle you have more info. Bucs players that I know knew the Bucs signed Brent Grimes long before the media did. They knew about Doug Martin getting
suspended long before the media did. Wade Phillips was the Broncos DC and he knew about the Eagles trading Bradford to the Vikings before there was even a whisper by the media
about it.
I lived in Tampa for four years many years ago, met many Buc players (in fact use to work with an ex-Buc)...when it comes
to free agency, they don't know jack, just like the "Jackrabbit".
Jerry thinks that this defense can be really special and he won't weaken it. Yes, coaches and GMs do think about their legacy and how they will be judged by those that follow. Everyone wants to make the Hall of Fame.
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Despite what the shrinks here said
Are you not the only person making statements regarding the mental state of our GM as a basis for your own opinions?
You've now expanded your diagnoses to all coaches and GMs...
If I understood that statement I would reply. Anyone not think that Reese was aware that his reputation around the league had gone down since 2011 and he might change his usual MO of not overpaying so he could show off a potentially great D that he had built from scratch?
Jerry thinks that this defense can be really special and he won't weaken it. Yes, coaches and GMs do think about their legacy and how they will be judged by those that follow. Everyone wants to make the Hall of Fame.
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Despite what the shrinks here said
Are you not the only person making statements regarding the mental state of our GM as a basis for your own opinions?
You've now expanded your diagnoses to all coaches and GMs...
If I understood that statement I would reply. Anyone not think that Reese was aware that his reputation around the league had gone down since 2011 and he might change his usual MO of not overpaying so he could show off a potentially great D that he had built from scratch?
If you think Jerry Reese's motivation is the perception of people in the media, you're wrong. He's going after the best players that fit his system. It's not that complicated. It's funny how you're trying to make it sound like there's some profound reason beyond doing his job for his actions. It's not that profound.
Would you really be surprised if he did it prematurely. These guys don't think that way they react and think after
Times have changed. It used to be "In Reese we Trust," but after several bad drafts, four years without making the playoffs, and the departure of the popular coach, it was starting to become more like "Reese is a Bust."
But this season was almost magical for Reese. Hitting on all three big ticket defensive free agents (I think all of them made 1st or 2nd team AP All Pro).
His judgment was being challenged on two expensive players he invested in last year, DRC and 2nd rounder Landon Collins. No more. Collins somehow morphed into one of the top defensive players in the NFC and DRC led the team with 6 picks and 21 pass defenses and, if you noticed, in the final regular season game against the Redskins he was just everywhere and was named defensive player of the week.
And Reese scored hits in the first two rounds of the draft. First round pick Eli Apple made the NFL.com all rookie team and had Gil Brandt gushing over him:
Some thought the Giants reached for Apple in the draft, but I think he outplayed expectations, posting 51 tackles, a pick and a forced fumble. Apple looks like he'll be a cornerback in the NFL for a long time; he can play inside or outside.
So Jerry Reese, who put so much effort into selecting these defensive players, and who's reputation as a GM can fly sky high next season, is the person more than any of us who wants this defense to stay intact and show what it can do.
Jordan Raanan reported that the FO is interested in retaining the defensive pieces that were integral to our defense last year, namely JPP, Hanks, and KRob. Why they want to re-sign JPP isn't a question. He's a great player. 'Nough said. Speculating that this is some psychological egoism of Jerry Reese and that's the real reason is nonsense.
My only worry with this line of thought is that there are only so many picks you can allocate. I know you're not saying this, but a lot of positions are being penciled in as picks: TE, WR#2, DE, DT, LB, ER, RB#2, OT, OG, etc. We can't expect all seven picks to be starters out of the gate. I'd rather invest in Hankins and free up our board to go after players that have impact without having to fill holes that we didn't have last year.
If it's true that JPP is signing, the Giants have a huge amount of cash invested in the DL already.
It might make sense to spend the cash on the OL, and then see how the draft falls.
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If the speculation is right. Now as far as Hank goes, I'm indifferent if he goes or stays. I think they could find a DT on day 3 who can rotate in with Snacks, Thomas, and Bromley and still be a force vs the run.
My only worry with this line of thought is that there are only so many picks you can allocate. I know you're not saying this, but a lot of positions are being penciled in as picks: TE, WR#2, DE, DT, LB, ER, RB#2, OT, OG, etc. We can't expect all seven picks to be starters out of the gate. I'd rather invest in Hankins and free up our board to go after players that have impact without having to fill holes that we didn't have last year.
I get what you're saying. My issue with Hankins though is he made very little impact last year. He's was playing out of position, rarely lining up over center. I just think we could make better use of resources, especially along the OL than tie it up to a run stuffing DT when we have the best in the business lining up next to him.
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If the speculation is right. Now as far as Hank goes, I'm indifferent if he goes or stays. I think they could find a DT on day 3 who can rotate in with Snacks, Thomas, and Bromley and still be a force vs the run.
My only worry with this line of thought is that there are only so many picks you can allocate. I know you're not saying this, but a lot of positions are being penciled in as picks: TE, WR#2, DE, DT, LB, ER, RB#2, OT, OG, etc. We can't expect all seven picks to be starters out of the gate. I'd rather invest in Hankins and free up our board to go after players that have impact without having to fill holes that we didn't have last year.
If Hankins leaves it is likely a couple of those other holes will be filled in FA.
The Giants love DT in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
I think they are content with Casillas, Kennard, Goodson and Robinson. So long as they re-up Robinson I doubt they feel they need to force a pick at LB.
TE - we go through this every year. The Giants will look for bargains here. I'm not buying that they are looking TE early. Unless a TE is clearly BPA, I'm expecting TE in the mid rounds.
I think the Giants will view WR and OL as the biggest holes. OL will be helped in FA imo. WR is a strong candidate in the first round.
I think they are content with Casillas, Kennard, Goodson and Robinson. So long as they re-up Robinson I doubt they feel they need to force a pick at LB.
TE - we go through this every year. The Giants will look for bargains here. I'm not buying that they are looking TE early. Unless a TE is clearly BPA, I'm expecting TE in the mid rounds.
I think the Giants will view WR and OL as the biggest holes. OL will be helped in FA imo. WR is a strong candidate in the first round.
Agree about LB. We'll likely look for another depth guy in middle rounds if available, but our LB play was pretty good last year. No pro bowlers, but not as terrible as in recent years
You don't pay 7 finger DE's living off of 2 good years (the last one whinch was 3 years ago) 75 million dollars.
Oh and not to mention that time he showed up to camp looking like Yokozuna OR the back surgery.
SMH.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
You are not finding a better player in this draft and Okwara is not his replacement.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
I agree that the Giants should resign JPP but on what planet did they get dominated in the run game in the 2nd cowboy game? You cant just make things up.
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JPP was very good last year. 53 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 8 pass deflections and 1 TD in 12 games.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
I agree that the Giants should resign JPP but on what planet did they get dominated in the run game in the 2nd cowboy game? You cant just make things up.
They were being dominated in the first half.. The Cowboys stopped running the ball...
Then we should totally delete this one!
Great gif choice
They were being dominated in the first half.. The Cowboys stopped running the ball...
They could not pass either. Dak totaled 165 yards for that game.
I like Okwara but he had big #'s that day because the ball came right at him.
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JPP was very good last year. 53 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 8 pass deflections and 1 TD in 12 games.
Also was the Giants highest graded front 7 player according to PFF. Just look at the Cowboys games. We got dominated in the run game in the 2nd Cowboys game after dominating them in the 1st game. Only difference is JPP wasn't playing.
Not to mention we don't know how much he will get. Even if it is 75 million over 5 years. That means nothing. He will never see anywhere near that amount of money. Most likely it will be somewhere around 40 million over 5 years.
I agree that the Giants should resign JPP but on what planet did they get dominated in the run game in the 2nd cowboy game? You cant just make things up.
They were being dominated in the first half.. The Cowboys stopped running the ball...
How many points did they score?
You don't pay 7 finger DE's living off of 2 good years (the last one whinch was 3 years ago) 75 million dollars.
Oh and not to mention that time he showed up to camp looking like Yokozuna OR the back surgery.
SMH.
I guess you completely ignored his play this season before he got hurt.
"SMH"
You're not alone. I don't even bother clicking the links to the twitter feed anymore. My brain just refused to get on board with twitter. Get the hell off my lawn.
Au contraire, Webster, Diehl, Kiwi, should I continue...
He just did, it's called social media.
Players talk out of their ass, nothing more, no insight.
I would say less than 50/50 that JPP is back here.
Are you not the only person making statements regarding the mental state of our GM as a basis for your own opinions?
You've now expanded your diagnoses to all coaches and GMs...
Just being inside the NFL circle you have more info. Bucs players that I know knew the Bucs signed Brent Grimes long before the media did. They knew about Doug Martin getting suspended long before the media did. Wade Phillips was the Broncos DC and he knew about the Eagles trading Bradford to the Vikings before there was even a whisper by the media about it.
Just being inside the NFL circle you have more info. Bucs players that I know knew the Bucs signed Brent Grimes long before the media did. They knew about Doug Martin getting
suspended long before the media did. Wade Phillips was the Broncos DC and he knew about the Eagles trading Bradford to the Vikings before there was even a whisper by the media
about it.
I lived in Tampa for four years many years ago, met many Buc players (in fact use to work with an ex-Buc)...when it comes
to free agency, they don't know jack, just like the "Jackrabbit".
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Jerry thinks that this defense can be really special and he won't weaken it. Yes, coaches and GMs do think about their legacy and how they will be judged by those that follow. Everyone wants to make the Hall of Fame.
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Despite what the shrinks here said
Are you not the only person making statements regarding the mental state of our GM as a basis for your own opinions?
You've now expanded your diagnoses to all coaches and GMs...
If I understood that statement I would reply. Anyone not think that Reese was aware that his reputation around the league had gone down since 2011 and he might change his usual MO of not overpaying so he could show off a potentially great D that he had built from scratch?
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In comment 13367629 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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Jerry thinks that this defense can be really special and he won't weaken it. Yes, coaches and GMs do think about their legacy and how they will be judged by those that follow. Everyone wants to make the Hall of Fame.
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Despite what the shrinks here said
Are you not the only person making statements regarding the mental state of our GM as a basis for your own opinions?
You've now expanded your diagnoses to all coaches and GMs...
If I understood that statement I would reply. Anyone not think that Reese was aware that his reputation around the league had gone down since 2011 and he might change his usual MO of not overpaying so he could show off a potentially great D that he had built from scratch?
If you think Jerry Reese's motivation is the perception of people in the media, you're wrong. He's going after the best players that fit his system. It's not that complicated. It's funny how you're trying to make it sound like there's some profound reason beyond doing his job for his actions. It's not that profound.