Giants
Traina B/R: BEST AND WORST MOVES NEW YORK GIANTS CAN MAKE THIS OFFSEASON
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2694024-best-and-worst-moves-new-york-giants-can-make-this-offseason
QB
PFT: Giants expect 2-3 more years from Eli Manning
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/21/giants-expect-2-3-more-years-from-eli-manning/
OL
RV SNY: Giants Free Agent Watch: Whitworth, Clady among offensive line options
https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/giants-free-agent-watch-whitworth-clady-among-offensive-line-options/216614290?utm_source=dlvr.it& utm_medium=twitter
DE
Schneier CBS Sports.com: Jaguars are the Giants' top competitor to land Jason Pierre-Paul
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jaguars-are-the-giants-top-competitor-to-land-jason-pierre-paul/
NFL
King MMQB: An NFL personnel guy weighs in on the troubled Jets cornerback and what kind of market might develop in free agency. Plus mailbag items on Tom Brady, the Browns quarterback situation and Tony Romo’s contract
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/02/22/darrelle-revis-jets-fight-decline-safety-free-agency-nfl
Prisco CBS Sports: 2017 NFL free agency: Targets, must-keep players for every NFC team
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2017-nfl-free-agency-targets-must-keep-players-for-every-nfc-team/
Burke SI.com: The Expendables: NFC players who could be cap casualties as free agency nears
http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/21/nfl-salary-cap-cuts-free-agency
Corry CBS Sports: Agent's Take: How the Jets, Chiefs and Cowboys can navigate cap crunch
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-how-the-jets-chiefs-and-cowboys-can-navigate-cap-crunch/
Eckel NJ.com: NFL free agency 2017: The top 15 defensive players (and where they are likely to land)
http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2017/02/nfl_free_agency_2017_the_top_15_defensive_players.html
Kosko PFF: TOP 10 INTERIOR DEFENDERS SET TO HIT FREE AGENCY
"6. Johnathan Hankins, New York Giants (47.1)
Hankins played out of position with the Giants adding Damon Harrison last offseason and his production took an understandable drop. After seeing almost 37 percent of his snaps at nose tackle in 2015, Hankins lined up over the center just 15 percent of the time. At 320 pounds, Hankins was asking to penetrate from the 3T position far more often than previously and he doesn’t possess the athleticism to do so. That said, if used correctly, Hankins will be a productive player, defend the run well and be a solid bargain veteran free agent."
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-top-10-interior-defenders-set-to-hit-free-agency/?utm_content=bufferc01eb& utm_medium=social& utm_source=twitter.com& utm_campaign=nfl
Geoff Schwartz SB Nation: I’m retiring from the NFL with no regrets
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/21/14679010/nfl-veteran-retirement-geoff-schwartz
ARIZONA
Odegard Cardinals.com: A Tricky Salary Cap Situation For Cardinals
http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and-events/article-2/A-Tricky-Salary-Cap-Situation-For-Cardinals/274f2b6a-a81c-46c7-a04d-6640d3a71414
BALTIMORE
Selig Bal Sun: Steve Smith Sr. staying away from training to avoid thoughts of a comeback
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-steve-smith-sr-staying-away-from-training-to-avoid-thoughts-of-a-comeback-20170220-story.html
BUFFALO
Skurski Buffalo News: NFL Network report: 'Probably a better chance' Bills keep Tyrod Taylor
http://buffalonews.com/2017/02/21/nfl-network-report-probably-better-chance-bills-keep-tyrod-taylor/
Rodak ESPN Buffalo: Bills' call on Tyrod Taylor will have cascading effects on offseason
http://www.espn.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/83089/bills-call-on-tyrod-taylor-will-have-cascading-effects-on-offseason
Skurski Buffalo News: Free agency focus: What to do with DT Corbin Bryant
http://buffalonews.com/2017/02/21/free-agency-focus-dt-corbin-bryant/
CAROLINA
Rodrigue Charlotte Observer: Panthers release Pro-Bowl fullback Mike Tolbert
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article134036394.html
Person Charlotte Observer: Mike Tolbert says he has nothing but respect for way Panthers handled his release
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article134118779.html
CHICAGO
Wiederer Chicago Tribune: Speculation heightening as Bears explore trade options for Jay Cutle
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-jay-cutler-trade-options-spt-20170221-story.html
CINCINNATI
Dehner Cin Enquirer: What will happen with Rex Burkhead?
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2017/02/21/what-happen-rex-burkhead/98040214/
Marcum Cincy Jungle: Andrew Whitworth has interesting NFL Combine plans
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/2/21/14686398/andrew-whitworth-hoping-clearer-rules-trenches
Dehner Cin Enquirer: Graham retires a Bengal, Lewis hopes more follow
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2017/02/21/graham-retires-bengal-lewis-hopes-more-follow/98207076/
DENVER
Klis 9News Denver: Will the Broncos get another year out of DeMarcus Ware?
http://www.9news.com/sports/will-the-broncos-get-another-year-out-of-demarcus-ware/411454089
DETROIT
Birkett Detroit Free Press: Detroit Lions free agency preview: Offensive line
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2017/02/21/nfl-free-agency-2017/98190538/
Meinke Michigan Live: Lions hire ex-Texans offensive coordinator as defensive assistant
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2017/02/lions_hire_ex-texans_offensive.html
GREEN BAY
Wood Mil JS: Don Barclay's versatility gives Packers options
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2017/02/21/don-barclays-versatility-gives-packers-options/98197810/
Solari Detroit Free Press: Ex-MSU long snapper Taybor Pepper getting NFL shot with Packers
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2017/02/21/michigan-state-football-taybor-pepper-green-bay-packers/98214360/
HOUSTON
Wilson Houston Chronicle: Duane Brown focused on improving techniques during offseason
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Duane-Brown-focused-on-improving-techniques-10949505.php
JACKSONVILLE
Frenette Fla Times Union: Brace yourselves, Jaguars, the Coughlin purge has just begun
http://jacksonville.com/sports/columnists/gene-frenette/2017-02-21/gene-frenette-brace-yourselves-jaguars-coughlin-purge-has
O'Halloran Fla Times Union: Jaguars re-sign former undrafted free agent Tyler Shatley
http://jacksonville.com/sports/jaguars/2017-02-21/jaguars-re-sign-former-undrafted-free-agent-tyler-shatley
LOS ANGELES CHARGERS
Krasovic UTSD: Rivers, emotional, speaks at SD, Hardwick event
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/chargers/sd-sp-chargers-philip-rivers-20170221-story.html
MIAMI
Jackson Miami Herald: Dolphins still want Sims
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article134029989.html
NEW ENGLAND
Ian Rapoport& #8207;@RapSheet
Patriots TE Martellus Bennett will test free agency. Based on his asking price & likely offers, it’s a real possibility he exits, I’m told
NEW ORLEANS
Katzenstein Nola.com: Sean Payton 'absolutely' expects Brandin Cooks to be with Saints in 2017
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2017/02/sean_payton_absolutely_expects.html
Holder Nola.com: Saints carry annual question mark at guard into free agency
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2017/02/saints_carry_annual_question_m.html
PHILADELPHIA
Tannenwold Phil.com: DeSean Jackson: Carson Wentz 'showed me he can do it,' Eagles rumors 'a great story
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/pattisonave/DeSean-Jackson-Carson-Wentz-showed-me-he-can-do-it-Eagles-rumors-a-great-story-.html
PITTSBURGH
Fittipaldo Pitt Post Gazette: How high can Le'Veon Bell climb on the Steelers rushing list?
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Steelers-Blog/2017/02/21/Le-Veon-Bell-Franco-Harris-Willie-Parker-Jerome-Bettis/stories/201702210128
SAN FRANCISCO
Barrows Sac Bee: New 49ers o-line coach has plenty of work ahead
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article134040859.html
Branch SF Chronicle: 49ers add former linebacker DeMeco Ryans to staff
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/49ers-add-former-Pro-Bowl-LB-Ryans-to-staff-10948839.php
Barrows Sac Bee: 49ers add free-agent cornerback Williams
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article134137149.html
SEATTLE
Mandell 710AM Seattle: Seahawks’ Luke Willson says his free-agency decision won’t be all about money
http://sports.mynorthwest.com/247092/luke-willson-free-agency-money/
TAMPA BAY
Josina Anderson@JosinaAnderson
I’m told Bucs could be a posb destination for impending FA WR Desean Jackson. Understanding is Jameis Winston has an existing rapport w/ DJ
TENNESSEE
Wolf The Tennessean: Titans could use both first-round draft picks on cornerbacks
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2017/02/21/titans-could-use-both-first-round-draft-picks-cornerbacks/98199948/
WASHINGTON
Jones Wash Post: If Redskins want a Kirk Cousins extension, first they must use franchise tag
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/02/21/if-redskins-want-a-kirk-cousins-extension-first-they-must-use-franchise-tag/
Draft
Walter Football: New Draft Stock Report. Sourced info on Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky, Gareon Conley, Haason Reddick & more
http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2017stock_24.php
Pauline Draft Analyst: The DA Draft Buzz for Feb 21st: Continue to hear chatter Forrest Lamp could end up in round one
http://draftanalyst.com/da-draft-buzz-february-21st
Zielein NFL.com: 38 Special: Instant-impact players in 2017 NFL Draft
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000786918/article/38-special-instantimpact-players-in-2017-nfl-draft?campaign=tw-cf-sf57783690-sf57783690
Brugler CBS Sports: 2017 NFL Mock Draft: Dalvin Cook to Ravens, Jabrill Peppers to Steelers
23. New York Giants
Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan: With Jason Pierre-Paul potentially leaving, defensive end is a likely need this offseason. Charlton, who has some traits reminiscent of Justin Tuck out of Notre Dame, has all the ingredients of a NFL starter.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2017-nfl-mock-draft-dalvin-cook-to-ravens-jabrill-peppers-to-steelers/
QB
Goodbread NFL.com: Deshaun Watson hearing projections he'll go as high as top 5
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000786915/article/deshaun-watson-hearing-projections-hell-go-as-high-as-top-5?campaign=tw-cf-sf57657869-sf57657869
Burch Fort Worth Star Telegram: Clemson’s Watson, two-time O'Brien winner, seeks to sway NFL scouts
"Brandt said he's had a gut feeling in recent weeks that Watson will be taken by the New York Giants with the No. 23 pick, if still available, and groomed as the heir apparent to Eli Manning. ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. projects Watson to go to the Buffalo Bills with the 10th pick."
http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/sports/clemson-watson-two-time-brien-winner-seeks-sway-nfl-scouts/8BYsoTRnimCAWoQFeyPNHN/
WR
Kaplan MMQB: John Ross Speeds Toward the Draft
How the University of Washington receiver—and possibly the fastest man in the 2017 draft—got help from DeSean Jackson and Snoop Dogg en route to becoming a likely first-round pick
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/02/21/nfl-draft-john-ross-iii-washington-wide-receiver-desean-jackson-snoop-dogg
TE
Lieser Palm Beach Post: 2017 NFL Draft: Dolphins eye late-round Toledo TE Michael Roberts
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/football/2017-nfl-draft-dolphins-eye-late-round-toledo-michael-roberts/aenqROkzzLbqhNllfV9YHL/
DT
Salomone Giants.com: Scouting Report: Ranking the top Interior D-Line prospects
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Scouting-Report-Ranking-the-top-Interior-D-Line-prospects/c978afb0-9a29-4d2e-8fbe-d652bb479797
Campbell Walter Football: Scouting Report on Montravius Adams. Fits Browns, Lions, 49ers, Saints, Giants, Colts, Seahawks, Raiders & more
http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2017madams.php
Erickson NO Advocate: Alabama DT Dalvin Tomlinson trying to prove his power, wrestling background can help rush the passer in NFL
http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/sports/saints/article_5eb5fe6a-f847-11e6-a845-bb4b032a3099.html
DE
Auman TB Times: NFL Draft Q& A: Arkansas DL Jeremiah Ledbetter
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/nfl-draft-qa-arkansas-dl-jeremiah-ledbetter/2313959
S
Hope Anderson Independent: Clemson's Jadar Johnson training for NFL Scouting Combine
http://www.independentmail.com/story/sports/2017/02/21/clemsons-jadar-johnson-training-nfl-scouting-combine/97923140/
Former Giants News
Auman TB Times: Bucs reach settlement with Lawrence Tynes in MRSA lawsuit
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/bucs-reach-settlement-with-lawrence-tynes-in-mrsa-lawsuit/2313987
History
Pompei The Athletic: Brian Urlacher a first-ballot Hall of Famer
https://theathletic.com/39621/2017/02/21/pompei-brian-urlacher-a-first-ballot-hall-of-famer/
NFL.com: Marlin Briscoe, AFL's first starting black QB, on race and football
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000787034/article/marlin-briscoe-afls-first-starting-black-qb-on-race-and-football
D'Amato MIl JS: Ex-Packers kicker Chester Marcol finds peace, purpose
http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/columnists/gary-damato/2017/02/21/damato-ex-packers-kicker-chester-marcol-finds-peace-purpose/98188064/
Giants Birthdays 2-22
Akeem Hunt RB UDFA-Purdue 2015 NYG Training Camp 2015 2-22-1993
Dhani Jones RLB D6-Michigan 2000 NYG IR 2000 NYG 2001-2003 2-22-1978
Bill Swain LLB TR-MIN 1965 NYG 1965 NYG IR 1966 NYG 1967 2-22-1941
The Giants draft selection is at #168 in the fifth round.
What does #168 get you?
A look at selection 168 in the NFL common draft, games played in the NFL and pre-1967 highlights and Giants selections:
168
2016 CLE Spencer Drango G 16
2015 DET Michael Burton FB 31
2014 ATL Marquis Spruill LB 0
2013 BAL Ricky Wagner RT 62
2012 OAK Juron Criner WR 13
2011 MIN Demarcus Love OL 0
2010 SDO Jonathan Crompton QB 0
2009 PIT Joe Burnett DB 15
2008 WAS Durant Brooks P 6
2007 CHI Corey Graham CB/S 157
2006 PHI Omar Gaither LB 92
2005 ARI Lance Mitchell LB 12
2004 NYG Jamaar Taylor WR 13
2003 TBY Sean Mahan G 94
2002 DAL Pete Hunter DB 36
2001 CIN Riall Johnson LB 32
2000 NOR Marc Bulger QB 96
1999 ARI Yusef Scott G 24
1998 TEN Lee Wiggins DB 0
1997 DET Tony Ramirez T 30
1996 NYJ Hugh Hunter DE 0
1995 DAL Dana Howard LB 19
1994 NEN Max Lane T 100
1993 DAL Barry Minter LB 111
1992 WAS Ray Rowe TE 4
1991 NEN Blake Miller C 14
1990 NYJ Basil Proctor LB 0
1989 DAL Kevin Peterson LB 0
1988 CIN Rich Romer LB 9
1987 NYG Doug Riesenberg RT 145
1986 BUF Bob Williams TE 0
1985 SFO Scott Barry QB 0
1984 LARAIDERS Stacy Toran S 72
1983 WAS Babe Laufenberg QB 16
1982 NEN Jeff Roberts LB 0
1981 NYG Louis Jackson RB 11
1980 CIN Gary Don Johnson DT 0
1979 CIN Max Montoya G 223
1978 KCY Ricky Odom DB 14
1977 NYJ Charlie White RB 20
1976 SFO Robert Pennywell LB 61
1975 BAL Derrel Luce LB 85
1974 GBY Bart Purvis T 0
1973 MIN Josh Brown RB 0
1972 PIT Robert Kelly DB 0
1971 GBY Dave Davis WR 33
1970 LAR Bill Nelson DT 47
1969 GBY Larry Agajanian DT 0
1968 OAK John Harper C 0
1967 WAS Bruce Matte QB 0
1963 GBY Daryle Lamonica QB 168
1960 NYG Doug Cline LB 95
1942 NYG June Hovious HB 6
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1. Pugh's 8.8. mill already is included in the cap, so if his average salary goes down in value, presumably they would lower his cap hit for this year too. Signing him long term doesn't add to our 2017 cap unless we want it to.
2. If Hanks and JPP are re-signed for average salaries totally 22 mill, that doesn't mean that's their 2017 cap hit as well. So, it's just an unsound claim to say we'll only have 7.75 mill left to sign a vet OL if we re-sign both.
Am I just wrong here or isn't that the case?
1. Pugh's 8.8. mill already is included in the cap, so if his average salary goes down in value, presumably they would lower his cap hit for this year too. Signing him long term doesn't add to our 2017 cap unless we want it to.
2. If Hanks and JPP are re-signed for average salaries totally 22 mill, that doesn't mean that's their 2017 cap hit as well. So, it's just an unsound claim to say we'll only have 7.75 mill left to sign a vet OL if we re-sign both.
Am I just wrong here or isn't that the case?
I know you are right on #1 = Pugh's hit will be smaller if he resigns to a long term deal.
You are likley correct on #2 also. Depends on the allocation..
WR
Raanan ESPN NY: Free-agent market for Victor Cruz will be interesting
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/50907/free-agent-market-for-victor-cruz-will-be-interesting
NFL
CHICAGO
Dickerson ESPN Chicago: Jets? 49ers? Jay Cutler's options likely limited in 2017
http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago/bears/post/_/id/4704930/jay-cutlers-options-could-be-limited-in-2017
CINCINNATI
Toback Cincy Jungle: Broncos expected to push Andrew Whitworth to move on from Bengals
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/2/22/14693916/broncos-expected-push-andrew-whitworth-move-on-bengals
MIAMI
Salguero Miami Herald: The results of the Julius Thomas physical with the Miami Dolphins are in; PLUS Dan Marino to re-sign player contract with Dolphins
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article134197644.html
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I don't think she's right in her analysis of the cap size and how the contracts would work in two areas:
1. Pugh's 8.8. mill already is included in the cap, so if his average salary goes down in value, presumably they would lower his cap hit for this year too. Signing him long term doesn't add to our 2017 cap unless we want it to.
2. If Hanks and JPP are re-signed for average salaries totally 22 mill, that doesn't mean that's their 2017 cap hit as well. So, it's just an unsound claim to say we'll only have 7.75 mill left to sign a vet OL if we re-sign both.
Am I just wrong here or isn't that the case?
I know you are right on #1 = Pugh's hit will be smaller if he resigns to a long term deal.
You are likley correct on #2 also. Depends on the allocation..
Thanks section. You'd think a beat writer would be more accurate reporting cap stuff like that. There's a notable difference between 2 potential big FA splashes and 3 splashes + a long term extension.
Agreed. Watson may not even be 6'2", and had 17 INTs the last two season. Most of his snaps have come in the shotgun. Great leader, and can make all the throws, but I don't think he fits what the Giants want in a QB. The two most likely QBs are Davis Webb and Jerod Evans.
That said, he is not the GM of the Jags. Dave Caldwell is. Tom has a fancy job title Mr. Executive VP (what exactly are his job responsibilities?) and a voice in the room but how much say does he actually have?
That said, he is not the GM of the Jags. Dave Caldwell is. Tom has a fancy job title Mr. Executive VP (what exactly are his job responsibilities?) and a voice in the room but how much say does he actually have?
Well, they hired Perry Fewell already. So, I assume his say is more profound than your insider asshat crown.
It also is pertinent that the Jags lost out on Vernon to us last year and therefore are likely to bid in the same ball park if not more for an even better two way 4-3 DE.
I disagree with 5 1/2 of her 8 points in the linked article (although some of it is conditional). Too much to go into point by point so I'll just leave it for the individual threads that sprout up on each subject going forward.....
That said, he is not the GM of the Jags. Dave Caldwell is. Tom has a fancy job title Mr. Executive VP (what exactly are his job responsibilities?) and a voice in the room but how much say does he actually have?
From PFT....
He also has less to do now, or at least less authority on paper.
In naming 70-year-old Tom Coughlin the executive vice president of football operations, the Jaguars gave the franchise’s original coach the final say over the 53-man roster, according to Ryan O’Halloran of the Florida Times-Union.
That’s a reasonable expectation, considering the Jaguars went out and acquired Coughlin again so the credibility from his two Super Bowl wins as a coach might filter into an organization which clearly needs it. But it could also make for a potentially awkward transition to a new organizational chart, as Caldwell’s already four years into a job having had say over the roster.
Of course, if owner Shad Khan were truly displeased with Caldwell (after a 15-49 record in those four seasons), he’d have fired him along with coach Gus Bradley instead of letting him run the coaching search which led to interim Doug Marrone being promoted. In the release announcing yesterday’s moves, Khan hailed Caldwell’s “excellent work” in building a “talented and promising roster.”
And because Coughlin has no experience as a day-to-day executive, Caldwell should still have plenty of opportunity to shape that roster. He just won’t have the final authority over it anymore, after it was given to someone with about three decades more experience.
That said, he is not the GM of the Jags. Dave Caldwell is. Tom has a fancy job title Mr. Executive VP (what exactly are his job responsibilities?) and a voice in the room but how much say does he actually have?
Junc, Tom is VP of Football Operations. Dave reports to Tom. Dave got clipped.
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I don't think she's right in her analysis of the cap size and how the contracts would work in two areas:
1. Pugh's 8.8. mill already is included in the cap, so if his average salary goes down in value, presumably they would lower his cap hit for this year too. Signing him long term doesn't add to our 2017 cap unless we want it to.
2. If Hanks and JPP are re-signed for average salaries totally 22 mill, that doesn't mean that's their 2017 cap hit as well. So, it's just an unsound claim to say we'll only have 7.75 mill left to sign a vet OL if we re-sign both.
Am I just wrong here or isn't that the case?
I know you are right on #1 = Pugh's hit will be smaller if he resigns to a long term deal.
You are likley correct on #2 also. Depends on the allocation..
Thanks section. You'd think a beat writer would be more accurate reporting cap stuff like that. There's a notable difference between 2 potential big FA splashes and 3 splashes + a long term extension.
I think they should extend him now too. Because in his FA year, it wouldn't be a shock if a team gives him a huge contract to be their Left Tackle. Sure that's not his best position, but it's not like he'd just suck at it. And he could buy a team some time to find a better player, then move him back to guard a year or two later.
Next year is supposed to be a way better QB draft class. I'd go with a veteran back up this year and draft a QB in 2018.
Next year is supposed to be a way better QB draft class. I'd go with a veteran back up this year and draft a QB in 2018.
I agree, unless we get a steal like a Jerod Evans or Davis Webb making it to the fourth or fifth round.