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NFT: Knicks Chat: Will they deal Rose?

DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 8:59 am
- Multiple teams in on Deron Williams (who would seemingly be a similar group with interest in Rose), Utah is one such team in on Deron reportedly.

-Kobe/Harden's agent Rob Pelinka is the new GM of the Lakers

-Boston still talking to "everyone" including the Sixers regarding Okafor per Stein

-Knicks "aggressively" looking to deal Rose per Woj
I'm pretty sure most of the proposals have been made  
Carl in CT : 2/22/2017 9:02 am : link
It's whether or not teams tweak them or accept them. Time will tell.
Utah taking Williams back  
dep026 : 2/22/2017 9:03 am : link
would be a crime after the way Williams treated Sloan.
Williams  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 9:05 am : link
has the right to block any trade but he owns a house in Utah so it would be pretty surprising if he blocked such a trade.
You would think trams that play tomorrow  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 9:15 am : link
would want to get deals done today so they can try to get these guys in uniform tomorrow..

especially teams trying to make a playoff push
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 9:36 am : link
Zach Lowe of ESPN reported that the Los Angeles Clippers would still love to land Carmelo Anthony, but it doesn't seem likely: "The Clippers are still kicking the tires on everything, including their pipe-dream of snaring Carmelo Anthony from the Kazoos without giving up any of their core four guys."

Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical and Marc Berman of the New York Post also reported that it's unlikely that Melo goes anywhere this week.

Fred Kerber of the New York Post also weighed in on Tuesday:

The obvious teams kicking the tires on Anthony are the Clippers, who dont want to give up anybody really good, the Cavaliers, who dont want to give up anybody really good and the Celtics, who apparently dont want to give up anybody period for the Knicks forward.

Anthony, over the weekend at the All-Star Game, admitted he thinks about a possible move a lot but also said he doesnt see a scenario that makes sense for him or the Knicks.
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 9:39 am : link
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Pistons open to listening to inquiries on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?
Not a knick fan  
Old Dirty Beckham : 2/22/2017 9:41 am : link
but moving Rose in a deal that brings either Rubio or Reggie Jackson back is more of the same for the knicks. It's a deal that indicates there is no plan and they'll just take any player that's available.

If they can move him and get an asset (even a 2nd rd pick) without taking back a long term salary then they should go for it.

The knicks best bet is to suck ass the rest of the way and get in the top half of the lottery. There are a lot of PGS available. Move Melo in the offseason and turn the team over to KP and whomever they pick in the lottery.

Would be able to get a nice package for Lee as well in the offseason.
Ok I'll bite  
Deej : 2/22/2017 9:44 am : link
who is the 4th player in the Paper Clips* "core" 4? Rivers or Reddick?
RE: Ok I'll bite  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 9:44 am : link
In comment 13367570 Deej said:
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who is the 4th player in the Paper Clips* "core" 4? Rivers or Reddick?


Redick. They were said to be unwilling to deal him.
Love the whole  
blueblood : 2/22/2017 9:47 am : link
YES we want Carmelo.. but NO you cant having anything of quality back in return
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Deej : 2/22/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13367564 DanMetroMan said:
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SportandoVerified account‏@Sportando 57s57 seconds ago
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Pistons open to listening to inquiries on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?


Sounds to me like the Pistons think that their Drummond-Jackson-Harris-KCP core is a ticket to nowheresville. KCP is going to get a massive contract. Why wouldnt Philly sign him -- he can defend and shoot the 3, and they dont need cap space to put a core of stars in place. KCP isnt going to be a top 3-4 player on a title team, but Embiid, Simmons, and their bevy of picks could fill those roles.

I predict a Pistons rebuild within 18 months.
RE: Love the whole  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13367574 blueblood said:
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YES we want Carmelo.. but NO you cant having anything of quality back in return


knicks have no leverage and teams like the clippers and cavs know he only wants to go to 2 or 3 places...

and boston knows the clippers and cavs do not have shot to offer..
RE: RE: Ok I'll bite  
Deej : 2/22/2017 9:49 am : link
In comment 13367571 DanMetroMan said:
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who is the 4th player in the Paper Clips* "core" 4? Rivers or Reddick?



Redick. They were said to be unwilling to deal him.


Ok. So really they just want Melo for free. Which is their prerogative, but it makes sense that LAC scuttlebutt quickly died out.
Would love  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 9:50 am : link
to see Drummond on the Knicks.
RE: RE: Love the whole  
Keith : 2/22/2017 9:50 am : link
In comment 13367578 nygiants16 said:
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YES we want Carmelo.. but NO you cant having anything of quality back in return



knicks have no leverage and teams like the clippers and cavs know he only wants to go to 2 or 3 places...

and boston knows the clippers and cavs do not have shot to offer..


I think it says more about how teams view melo. If teams really believed in him, would they be playing hardball? The clippers were the only team in the running and they are offering Rivers and Crawford, lol. They won't even throw in Reddick!
Anyone who pays out their ass for KCP  
dep026 : 2/22/2017 9:50 am : link
is foolish. He at best now is a 3 and D player. He brings nothing else to the table and finally is a decent shooter.

His contract should be something of the Lee status, maybe slight more. But if anyone thinks of paying him the max..... thats just silly.
Boston can snag Melo  
Keith : 2/22/2017 9:58 am : link
for some Euro players and non Nets draft picks and they are "thinking about it". If teams viewed Melo as someone that can tip the scales, they'd offer more than Rivers, Crawford, Shump and whatever other crap they don't want. Everyone loves Melo, but nobody wants to play with him and nobody wants him to play for their team.
RE: Anyone who pays out their ass for KCP  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13367584 dep026 said:
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is foolish. He at best now is a 3 and D player. He brings nothing else to the table and finally is a decent shooter.

His contract should be something of the Lee status, maybe slight more. But if anyone thinks of paying him the max..... thats just silly.


I was thinking about this yesterday. If true stars are going to be making $40M a year, why are guys like KCP, Teague, smart, etc. all expected to get max contracts? This next 2 year period in FA is one I am willing to sit out. There's going to be a load of horrible contracts before there is a correction. Cap space will be an asset in no time if these guys are truly max players.
Why isn't Drummond  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 10:01 am : link
on the Celtics target list? I feel like he wouldn't cost nearly what butler/George are. He's still only 23, tooo, so a trade would be an extension of a draft pick.
Is their anything more brutal  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 10:02 am : link
than waiting and hoping for some good news about the New York Knicks? I feel like I've been waiting my whole life.
This deadline feels different to me than years past.  
Keith : 2/22/2017 10:05 am : link
In years past the Knicks screamed desperation. The Knicks are in a good position. They can let teams call them. Rose and Jennings should be traded for something and should net some sort of asset. Hopefully Boston feels like there are no other options and gets involved with melo(doubtful).

Doesn't seem to be any interest in Lee so I really don't see anyone else being traded. Maybe KOQ, but I'm in no hurry to trade him.
RE: Boston can snag Melo  
Deej : 2/22/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13367590 Keith said:
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for some Euro players and non Nets draft picks and they are "thinking about it". If teams viewed Melo as someone that can tip the scales, they'd offer more than Rivers, Crawford, Shump and whatever other crap they don't want. Everyone loves Melo, but nobody wants to play with him and nobody wants him to play for their team.


Counterpoint is that generally people trade futures to acquire stars for a title run. Cavs and Clips literally have no futures to offer. Celtics I think are just waiting/hording. Ainge has "won" so many trades that it's not clear to me he has the capacity to say fuck it and take a risk.

Also Im not convinced that the Celtics view this season as the year to push (Love injury probably changed that a bit). Horford is 30, and the difference between 30 and 31 isnt huge. Crowder, Thomas, Bradley are all 26-27. Smart is 22, Brown is 20 -- those guys could use another year of seasoning. They have some intriguing draft adn follows, and of course they have the Brooklyn picks coming. Boston could easily think that their better shot is next season.
Yeah  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 10:10 am : link
the only players the Knicks need to move now are Rose and Jennings. I bet Melo's market opens up in the summer when more teams are trying to get into contention/taking stock.
RE: RE: Boston can snag Melo  
Keith : 2/22/2017 10:12 am : link
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for some Euro players and non Nets draft picks and they are "thinking about it". If teams viewed Melo as someone that can tip the scales, they'd offer more than Rivers, Crawford, Shump and whatever other crap they don't want. Everyone loves Melo, but nobody wants to play with him and nobody wants him to play for their team.



Counterpoint is that generally people trade futures to acquire stars for a title run. Cavs and Clips literally have no futures to offer. Celtics I think are just waiting/hording. Ainge has "won" so many trades that it's not clear to me he has the capacity to say fuck it and take a risk.

Also Im not convinced that the Celtics view this season as the year to push (Love injury probably changed that a bit). Horford is 30, and the difference between 30 and 31 isnt huge. Crowder, Thomas, Bradley are all 26-27. Smart is 22, Brown is 20 -- those guys could use another year of seasoning. They have some intriguing draft adn follows, and of course they have the Brooklyn picks coming. Boston could easily think that their better shot is next season.


Then why are they interested in George and Butler? I think the Celtics are smart and will only make a move that helps them. Melo isn't in their class anymore.
RE: Yeah  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13367624 Jon in NYC said:
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the only players the Knicks need to move now are Rose and Jennings. I bet Melo's market opens up in the summer when more teams are trying to get into contention/taking stock.


i would bet if celtics do not get the number 1 pick they trade it, like they did when they formed their big 3
RE: RE: Yeah  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 10:16 am : link
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the only players the Knicks need to move now are Rose and Jennings. I bet Melo's market opens up in the summer when more teams are trying to get into contention/taking stock.



i would bet if celtics do not get the number 1 pick they trade it, like they did when they formed their big 3


I don't think there's a tangible difference between #1 and #2, and the droppff from 3 doesn't seem that big either.
RE: RE: RE: Boston can snag Melo  
Deej : 2/22/2017 10:17 am : link
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Then why are they interested in George and Butler? I think the Celtics are smart and will only make a move that helps them. Melo isn't in their class anymore.


Butler and George are younger and dont implicate the same window issues that Melo does. Also, it's not clear that they're interested in those guys other than on the relative cheap. Until we hear that they're trading the BK picks, it's just chatter.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah  
Deej : 2/22/2017 10:19 am : link
In comment 13367641 giantsfan44ab said:
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I don't think there's a tangible difference between #1 and #2, and the droppff from 3 doesn't seem that big either.


I dont know the players but from what I read/see that is my take too. Fultz is clearly #1 but not by leaps and bounds. Usually there is a top tier -- Simmons and Ingram, KAT/Russell/Jah, Durant/Oden etc. Seems to me that unless you really have Fultz separating, there is a top tier of 4-5 players as of now.
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Keith : 2/22/2017 10:20 am : link

The Celtics are reportedly still interested in Jahlil Okafor.

The Celtics still view Jimmy Butler and Paul George as their primary targets for any deadline day deal, but if Boston can't pull off a major move, they may turn their eyes towards Okafor. David Aldridge boldly stated during an appearance on NBA TV on Tuesday night that Okafor "will get moved" by the deadline and that Philly has "a lot of offers" on the table. He's also been linked to the Pacers and Kings, and the Kings would be the best landing spot in terms of fantasy hoops.
Seems  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 10:22 am : link
like a pretty strong perception that there is a clear top 2 best prospects. I guess Smith could do really well in workouts and join them. Hard time believing Jackson could vault into the top 2 but who knows?
Obviously you don't trade down  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 10:31 am : link
But Markannen could make an instant impact in the starting lineup for Boston.
I think BOS's interest in Okafor  
Deej : 2/22/2017 10:33 am : link
is based on Ainge trying to get another piece on the cheap, and a belief of Philly is looking to put The Process in the rear view mirror. I dont have evidence, just a suspicion.

Okafor doesnt give them the rebounding they lack. Okafor and Thomas cannot play together. Can you imagine what John Wall would do to Thomas and Okafor?
Knicks should do nothing  
PhilSimms15 : 2/22/2017 10:33 am : link
They should not trade Rose for a larger, longer team deal; they should not trade Melo for pennies on the dollar. Right now they are "perfectly" positioned to finally rebuild right.

Luckily (sigh) they are bad enough as consisted to get a top 8-10 pick in a deep draft; Rose and Jennings contracts melt away giving them cap flexibility, they have two second round picks this year and all their future firsts.

And, in the offseason it is possibly Melo expands his list of teams and the Knicks would get offered more. No way Melo will want to stick around for a complete rebuild.

So at the deadline, only make trades that bring back picks and cheap assets. Otherwise stand pat.
RE: Knicks should do nothing  
Keith : 2/22/2017 10:36 am : link
In comment 13367684 PhilSimms15 said:
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They should not trade Rose for a larger, longer team deal; they should not trade Melo for pennies on the dollar. Right now they are "perfectly" positioned to finally rebuild right.

Luckily (sigh) they are bad enough as consisted to get a top 8-10 pick in a deep draft; Rose and Jennings contracts melt away giving them cap flexibility, they have two second round picks this year and all their future firsts.

And, in the offseason it is possibly Melo expands his list of teams and the Knicks would get offered more. No way Melo will want to stick around for a complete rebuild.

So at the deadline, only make trades that bring back picks and cheap assets. Otherwise stand pat.


Agree with all of this. I would trade for Rubio if he came with a legit asset attached. Rose for Rubio is counterproductive, IMO.
RE: I think BOS's interest in Okafor  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 10:39 am : link
In comment 13367682 Deej said:
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is based on Ainge trying to get another piece on the cheap, and a belief of Philly is looking to put The Process in the rear view mirror. I dont have evidence, just a suspicion.

Okafor doesnt give them the rebounding they lack. Okafor and Thomas cannot play together. Can you imagine what John Wall would do to Thomas and Okafor?


Zach Lowe was saying that their pursuit of Okafor was more because Indiana/Chicago both expressed interest in him at certain points, so it could be just a tactic to get another asset they like to make a George/Butler deal happen.
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giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 10:42 am : link
"Phil Jackson is reportedly a fan of Ricky Rubio.
According to David Aldridge, Tom Thibodeau is "not really enamored" with Ricky Rubio right now, and he feels Derrick Rose would be an "upgrade" at the point guard position, which is a pretty fascinating take. A straight up Rose-Rubio swap would work under the cap guidelines, and with Thibs reportedly making a strong push for Rose, this is certainly a deal we could see go down on deadline day."

Per ESPN
I think Minny should be more motivated than the Knicks  
Keith : 2/22/2017 10:46 am : link
so they might have to sweeten the pot.
Bad  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 10:50 am : link
feeling we will regret a straight Rose/Rubio swap. Kinda scary a coach known for caring about defense well above offensive is not enamored with Rubio. I strongly dislike Rose and I guess I'd take a shot (at least Rubio is youngish and unselfish) but I'm feeling sort of "buyer beware-y"
from ESPN on Knicks possibilities at the deadline...  
Mike in St. Louis : 2/22/2017 10:54 am : link
regarding Rose-Rubio -

"Some in the Knicks organization are wary of taking back any player who has multiple years remaining on his contract, according to sources familiar with the teams thinking. That might factor in if Rubio is being offered -- the 26-year-old is under contract for a total of $29 million over the next two seasons -- though others who have been in touch with the Knicks recently came away with the impression that Jackson is a fan of Rubio."

regarding Melo -

"If nothing happens by Thursday, that doesnt necessarily mean the trade rumors surrounding Anthony will subside. If he doesn't agree to be traded by Thursday, some in the Clippers organization believe Anthony will be willing to waive his no-trade clause and come to Los Angeles to join Chris Paul this summer, per league sources with knowledge of the situation."

Link - ( New Window )
I'm OK with standing pat  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 10:55 am : link
but I just don't trust the Knicks to rebuild slowly. Clogging up our cap space this summer with Rubio may prevent us from making an even dumber mistake on the free agent market. Sad, but true.
Rubio  
31southst : 2/22/2017 10:55 am : link
My guess is Rubio ends up elsewhere but if Rose/Rubio happens, I am ok with it. Rubio's contract is reasonable-ish in the current cap context and he at least has potential to continue to develop. I don't think we will sign any PG of note in the off season but we still need someone to run the offense. As a big, KP's development hinges to a certain degree on guard play so I don't think we can punt on the position entirely. I also don't think Rubio is good enough to move the needle and cost us decent lottery position.
The  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 10:56 am : link
Clippers do not become any more appealing in the off-season. They simply have NOTHING of value. No picks, no "good" young players. Brice Johnson, Diamond Stone and 2022 first type of deals is basically like releasing Melo.
RE: Bad  
dep026 : 2/22/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13367717 DanMetroMan said:
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feeling we will regret a straight Rose/Rubio swap. Kinda scary a coach known for caring about defense well above offensive is not enamored with Rubio. I strongly dislike Rose and I guess I'd take a shot (at least Rubio is youngish and unselfish) but I'm feeling sort of "buyer beware-y"


Rubio's defense hasnt been as good this year, and with the new open style NBA plays..... you can exploit anyone or get mismatches you want. Even if Rubio were a lockdown defneder aka Kawahi..... with the amount of switches and open floor - the lock down defender at the point is declining by the year.
RE: I'm OK with standing pat  
Keith : 2/22/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13367730 bceagle05 said:
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but I just don't trust the Knicks to rebuild slowly. Clogging up our cap space this summer with Rubio may prevent us from making an even dumber mistake on the free agent market. Sad, but true.


You can't make a bad trade because you are scared of something worse.
If they dont trade Melo before 7/1  
Deej : 2/22/2017 11:02 am : link
I just dont see a real rebuild. I dont think anyone at MSG actually WANTS to rebuild. At best some like Phil feel the need to blow THIS team up, but that doesnt mean that even Phil wants to go thru a multiyear process.

I think they're going to view the pieces as not conducive to a rebuild. Melo and Noah, KP in year 3, Willy will be 23 years old. More likely is that they say KP, Willy, and the 2017 #1 are enough youth and they want to get on to winning. And if that is how it is leaning, it makes sense for management to take on Rubio. His contract is fine and lowish risk.
Dep what dont you like about caldwell pope?  
hitdog42 : 2/22/2017 11:09 am : link
i haven't watched him much but from what i gather he is young and still developing (has upside)--- would think nets offer him in size on RFA front.
if you are a team way under the cap with no hope i would think he is a guy you target no?
RE: If they dont trade Melo before 7/1  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13367745 Deej said:
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I just dont see a real rebuild. I dont think anyone at MSG actually WANTS to rebuild. At best some like Phil feel the need to blow THIS team up, but that doesnt mean that even Phil wants to go thru a multiyear process.

I think they're going to view the pieces as not conducive to a rebuild. Melo and Noah, KP in year 3, Willy will be 23 years old. More likely is that they say KP, Willy, and the 2017 #1 are enough youth and they want to get on to winning. And if that is how it is leaning, it makes sense for management to take on Rubio. His contract is fine and lowish risk.


That's what I'm afraid of. Hey look! We got the 7th pick in the draft! Hey year 3 is when young players make a significant jump! Hey Willy will be a double double machine if we start him!

Quite frankly, I don't think he's wrong about how good the team would be next year. If this team is kept intact, the development in Kp+ Willy, a top pick in a good draft and someone added with the MLE might be good enough to vault us into the 7/8 seed. Obviously leaps and bounds away from being a contender, but a semi-competitive team.
RE: Dep what dont you like about caldwell pope?  
dep026 : 2/22/2017 11:14 am : link
In comment 13367754 hitdog42 said:
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i haven't watched him much but from what i gather he is young and still developing (has upside)--- would think nets offer him in size on RFA front.
if you are a team way under the cap with no hope i would think he is a guy you target no?


Not that I dont like him, just not for the max which is rumors is what he wants. Good defender, improved shooter - not much to his game. Averaging 2 boards/2 assists per game and is 40% shooter from the floor.

Nice guy to have on your team but to may him max or near max money is silly.
RE: RE: Dep what dont you like about caldwell pope?  
hitdog42 : 2/22/2017 11:19 am : link
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i haven't watched him much but from what i gather he is young and still developing (has upside)--- would think nets offer him in size on RFA front.
if you are a team way under the cap with no hope i would think he is a guy you target no?



Not that I dont like him, just not for the max which is rumors is what he wants. Good defender, improved shooter - not much to his game. Averaging 2 boards/2 assists per game and is 40% shooter from the floor.

Nice guy to have on your team but to may him max or near max money is silly.


so kind of perfect guy for a team like the nets to overpay- not ideal for a more cap constrained contender to invest in
There are going to be so many players that will be getting  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 11:20 am : link
50-60% of their actual worth the next 2 years. KCP is solid, but someone said it earlier he's a marginal improvement over Courtney Lee but will be making nearly twice as much. If you're 4th best player is going to be getting a max contract under the NEW salary cap how are you supposed to construct a team?
RE: RE: RE: Dep what dont you like about caldwell pope?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 11:21 am : link
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i haven't watched him much but from what i gather he is young and still developing (has upside)--- would think nets offer him in size on RFA front.
if you are a team way under the cap with no hope i would think he is a guy you target no?



Not that I dont like him, just not for the max which is rumors is what he wants. Good defender, improved shooter - not much to his game. Averaging 2 boards/2 assists per game and is 40% shooter from the floor.

Nice guy to have on your team but to may him max or near max money is silly.



so kind of perfect guy for a team like the nets to overpay- not ideal for a more cap constrained contender to invest in


KCP should probably be Nets priority #1. They can fuck a lot of teams over this year like they did with Crabbe last year.
RE: RE: RE: Dep what dont you like about caldwell pope?  
Deej : 2/22/2017 11:26 am : link
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so kind of perfect guy for a team like the nets to overpay- not ideal for a more cap constrained contender to invest in


What is the Nets plan? I can think of 3 scenarios that make sense. 1) suck hard for 4-5 seasons so they get 2-3 high lotto picks, 2) clear a ton of cap space and hope to provide a home to a bunch of guys who want to play together (Summer of Lebron type model), or 3) try to sign guys to middle tier upside deals (preferably with declining salaries) + vet depth on <$10 million contracts, and trade them off for assets as needed.

Those are also in my order of attractiveness. Im not sure I see the upside of paying KCP real $$. I guess it just begs the question, "to what end?" Are the Nets honestly trying to win anytime soon? Pope could add what, 6 wins? Obviously, eventually you have to start adding talent somewhere. I just dont see how KCP for real $$ is the place you start. Maybe in the Summer of 2016, when things were even bleaker (and the $$ was a bit lower).
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dep what dont you like about caldwell pope?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 11:33 am : link
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so kind of perfect guy for a team like the nets to overpay- not ideal for a more cap constrained contender to invest in



What is the Nets plan? I can think of 3 scenarios that make sense. 1) suck hard for 4-5 seasons so they get 2-3 high lotto picks, 2) clear a ton of cap space and hope to provide a home to a bunch of guys who want to play together (Summer of Lebron type model), or 3) try to sign guys to middle tier upside deals (preferably with declining salaries) + vet depth on <$10 million contracts, and trade them off for assets as needed.

Those are also in my order of attractiveness. Im not sure I see the upside of paying KCP real $$. I guess it just begs the question, "to what end?" Are the Nets honestly trying to win anytime soon? Pope could add what, 6 wins? Obviously, eventually you have to start adding talent somewhere. I just dont see how KCP for real $$ is the place you start. Maybe in the Summer of 2016, when things were even bleaker (and the $$ was a bit lower).


The Nets current cap # in 2 years is $17M with Lin expiring the following year. They can "afford" to get stuck with a few bad contracts just to hit the salary floor. KCP won't suddenly make the Nets win 30 games, but he could be a nice complimentary piece to whenever they get a top pick again. I still think Detroit would match.
probable means nothing  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 11:37 am : link
but ricky rubio just started following kp, maybe 10 minutes ago
The Nets are 6+ years from being relevant  
Deej : 2/22/2017 11:39 am : link
I dont see any upside in paying full freight for KCP. Basically, I think the goal of their FA signings for the next 2 offseasons should be to get players who could potentially turn into trade chips. KCP for 20-30 million wont be that. Better to spread that money for 2-3 hi risk/reward guys, and trade off the one who pans out (who will be on a cheap, tradeable deal).
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dep what dont you like about caldwell pope?  
giants#1 : 2/22/2017 11:40 am : link
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so kind of perfect guy for a team like the nets to overpay- not ideal for a more cap constrained contender to invest in



What is the Nets plan? I can think of 3 scenarios that make sense. 1) suck hard for 4-5 seasons so they get 2-3 high lotto picks, 2) clear a ton of cap space and hope to provide a home to a bunch of guys who want to play together (Summer of Lebron type model), or 3) try to sign guys to middle tier upside deals (preferably with declining salaries) + vet depth on <$10 million contracts, and trade them off for assets as needed.

Those are also in my order of attractiveness. Im not sure I see the upside of paying KCP real $$. I guess it just begs the question, "to what end?" Are the Nets honestly trying to win anytime soon? Pope could add what, 6 wins? Obviously, eventually you have to start adding talent somewhere. I just dont see how KCP for real $$ is the place you start. Maybe in the Summer of 2016, when things were even bleaker (and the $$ was a bit lower).


Adding 6 wins makes them twice as good as they are now!
who gives a shit about the Nets?  
Greg from LI : 2/22/2017 11:40 am : link
Other than the confused Sawx fan, anyway
RE: The Nets are 6+ years from being relevant  
yatqb : 2/22/2017 11:42 am : link
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I dont see any upside in paying full freight for KCP. Basically, I think the goal of their FA signings for the next 2 offseasons should be to get players who could potentially turn into trade chips. KCP for 20-30 million wont be that. Better to spread that money for 2-3 hi risk/reward guys, and trade off the one who pans out (who will be on a cheap, tradeable deal).


I sadly think it's the same for the Knicks, IF we're lucky.
That's absurd. The nets are 3 years behind  
Keith : 2/22/2017 11:48 am : link
the Knicks. How can you possibly compare?
RE: RE: The Nets are 6+ years from being relevant  
Deej : 2/22/2017 11:51 am : link
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I dont see any upside in paying full freight for KCP. Basically, I think the goal of their FA signings for the next 2 offseasons should be to get players who could potentially turn into trade chips. KCP for 20-30 million wont be that. Better to spread that money for 2-3 hi risk/reward guys, and trade off the one who pans out (who will be on a cheap, tradeable deal).



I sadly think it's the same for the Knicks, IF we're lucky.


I think KP alone makes us relevant in 2-3 seasons, assuming we dont really f'up the rest of the roster ala New Orleans. Relevant to me is like 6 seed competitive. 6 years from now I'd be hopeful that KP, Willy, and the 2017 #1 are more than just relevant.
RE: RE: The Nets are 6+ years from being relevant  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 11:52 am : link
In comment 13367820 yatqb said:
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In comment 13367813 Deej said:


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I dont see any upside in paying full freight for KCP. Basically, I think the goal of their FA signings for the next 2 offseasons should be to get players who could potentially turn into trade chips. KCP for 20-30 million wont be that. Better to spread that money for 2-3 hi risk/reward guys, and trade off the one who pans out (who will be on a cheap, tradeable deal).



I sadly think it's the same for the Knicks, IF we're lucky.


how do you figure? nets wont have their own pick for 2 more years and they do not have a building block on their team yet...

knicks at least have kp and have all their picks including 3 in this years draft
Rubio started following Porzingis on Instagram  
Anakim : 2/22/2017 11:53 am : link
And Porzingis is flirting with Abigail Ratchford.
Nets should be looking to fill their roster  
Deej : 2/22/2017 11:54 am : link
with Lou Williams and KOQ types. Most will disappoint, but 1 or 2 could net you a late #1 or some #1s. Turn THOSE picks into your depth foundation while you develop the high lotto picks you'll get circa 2019 and beyond.
RE: Rubio started following Porzingis on Instagram  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 11:58 am : link
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And Porzingis is flirting with Abigail Ratchford.


Just looked her up. Good for him. He's giving Joel Embiid some competition.
RE: Nets should be looking to fill their roster  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 12:00 pm : link
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with Lou Williams and KOQ types. Most will disappoint, but 1 or 2 could net you a late #1 or some #1s. Turn THOSE picks into your depth foundation while you develop the high lotto picks you'll get circa 2019 and beyond.


They'll have enough cap space to do a lot of things. If they sign Mirotic to say a $15M a year deal it's not going to hurt flexibility.
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Knicks don't have anyone in that range that they  
Keith : 2/22/2017 12:10 pm : link
need to dump, other than Lance Thomas!
Man, remember  
Deej : 2/22/2017 12:13 pm : link
the Mirotic hype? Guy was talked up like he would be a star.
Social media drama continues!  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 12:16 pm : link
Rubio removes Wolves from his Twitter bio, per Hahn and Humpty. Update social media first, pack second, call your mother third...
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the Mirotic hype? Guy was talked up like he would be a star.


"No way they include him for Melo!"
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Hmm. Their biggest expiring is Nene at 2.9 million. Enis is #2 at 1.7 million, and then no other expiring makes even 700k. Even if you extend out a season, it's Ariza at 7.8/7.4 -- but are they gonna do better than Ariza for just cap relief? And then KJ McDaniels. Not sure it is $$ relief to pay KJ 3.33 per next season. You could do worse, sure.

Weird rumor.
RE: Social media drama continues!  
Anakim : 2/22/2017 12:20 pm : link
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Rubio removes Wolves from his Twitter bio, per Hahn and Humpty. Update social media first, pack second, call your mother third...


Follow Porzingis is first!
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 12:20 pm : link
like our guess of Boston being reluctant to give up Crowder is accurate.

The Boston Celtics and Chicago Bulls continue to discuss a Jimmy Butler trade.

"I think the Jimmy Butler stuff is real," said Aldridge. "They have been trying to get Jimmy Butler. He doesn't want to give up Jae Crowder. That's the main sticking point there and he doesn't want to give up Jae Crowder in a deal and that's the guy the Bulls are insisting on right now in any package for Butler.

"The picks will work themselves out. Boston has about 600 first round picks in the next five years, so they'll make it work. That part I'm not worried about. I think it really comes down to Crowder. In terms of real tangible players, I think Danny would like to go into the playoffs with Smart, Bradley, Crowder defensively along with Butler, Horford, Thomas offensively. I think he feels like that's the only way they'll be able to complete with a team like Cleveland.
And I should note  
Deej : 2/22/2017 12:21 pm : link
that Nene is giving them amazing production in 17 minutes.
Won't include Crowder in a Jimmy Butler trade, eh?  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 12:22 pm : link
What a country.
Jae/Butler  
Deej : 2/22/2017 12:22 pm : link
which gets back to my point -- teams usually trade futures for stars. That's the real problem with the 2 pre-authorized Melo landing spots.
Butler is as good  
dep026 : 2/22/2017 12:23 pm : link
if not better defender than Crowder and obviously much better offensively too.
What's  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 12:25 pm : link
wrong with the Celtics trying to hold onto as many good players as they can? It sure seems like Butler can be theirs if they want him so why not put the screws to the Bulls until the last minute?
Don't mind me, I'm just a disgruntled Knicks fan.  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 12:26 pm : link
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Crowders contract  
Keith : 2/22/2017 12:30 pm : link
makes him one of the best bargains in the league.
...  
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Derrick Rose sitting out scrimmage, next to injured Joakim Noah.
As I said,  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 12:47 pm : link
this Rose for Rubio thing makes too much sense not to happen.
I guess the Knicks are just stalling  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 12:51 pm : link
to see if a better offer comes in? This one seems like it could've been wrapped up in a five-minute phone call.
Think you can get away with  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 12:53 pm : link
Butler or Crowder at the 4 in stretches. Might hurt rebounding but statistically Love has been the most inefficient player on post ups in the NBA. I'd dare Love to post up Crowder as much as possible.
Sitting out scrimmage after a week off?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2017 1:13 pm : link
He's gone. Must just need to be finalized.
is it at all feasible to include Noah and Pekovic in that deal?  
Dmc1188 : 2/22/2017 1:19 pm : link
the only way I'd be okay with this is if we could shed Noah. Pekovic at least only has 2 years left, not 4. My inclination is that there's no way Min would do that
RE: is it at all feasible to include Noah and Pekovic in that deal?  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 1:20 pm : link
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the only way I'd be okay with this is if we could shed Noah. Pekovic at least only has 2 years left, not 4. My inclination is that there's no way Min would do that


Actually not sure about that. Some reports think Minn is the aggressor here.
Rose for Rubio makes little sense.  
Keith : 2/22/2017 1:23 pm : link
I'd hope minny sweetens the pot a bit.
that would be worth it IMO  
Dmc1188 : 2/22/2017 1:25 pm : link
Not a huge Rubio fan and I'm sick of tying up $ in guys that won't put us over the hump. Would prefer an all out rebuild.

But shedding Noah's contract changes everything. Pekovic would actually be an asset at this time next year with $12M expiring
No way Rose and Noah  
Carl in CT : 2/22/2017 1:25 pm : link
Could happen. Minn doesn't have anyone (salary wise) that can make that trade happen. At least in my eyes.
Rubio dropped  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:25 pm : link
the Timberwolves affiliation from his bio.

Any minute now...
If we somehow packaged Noah in a deal before the deadline  
Canton : 2/22/2017 1:25 pm : link
I'll be ecstatic asf.
RE: No way Rose and Noah  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13367979 Carl in CT said:
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Could happen. Minn doesn't have anyone (salary wise) that can make that trade happen. At least in my eyes.


Pekovic alone works.
RE: Rubio dropped  
Canton : 2/22/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13367980 giantsfan44ab said:
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the Timberwolves affiliation from his bio.

Any minute now...


What bio? Where?
RE: Rose for Rubio makes little sense.  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13367975 Keith said:
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I'd hope minny sweetens the pot a bit.


It makes perfect sense if you do not trust the Knicks enough to not give Jeff Teague or Jrue Holiday a 4 year max contract.
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the Timberwolves affiliation from his bio.

Any minute now...



What bio? Where?


*Twitter
RE: No way Rose and Noah  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13367979 Carl in CT said:
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Could happen. Minn doesn't have anyone (salary wise) that can make that trade happen. At least in my eyes.


minnesota under cap..

knicks will probably get a big trade exception
Rose's $20+m and Noah salary?  
Carl in CT : 2/22/2017 1:29 pm : link
And it works?
RE: RE: No way Rose and Noah  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13367984 Jon in NYC said:
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Could happen. Minn doesn't have anyone (salary wise) that can make that trade happen. At least in my eyes.



Pekovic alone works.


*works for the Knicks

It makes little sense for Minnesotta who would then have $120M committed over the next 3 years to 3 backup centers. Towns is probably the center at this point and they probably will end up with someone like Bridges, Markannen, or Williams in the draft who would play the 4. Towns at the 5.
Thanks 16  
Carl in CT : 2/22/2017 1:30 pm : link
Didn't know they were under. We would have to add a pick (once again) for them to take on that kind of salary.
Knicks one of a few teams in on Patrick Beverly, according to Stein.  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 1:31 pm : link
Let's hope he goes elsewhere. Sell, sell, sell, you fucking morons.
I think it's a safe bet  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:31 pm : link
to assume Noah will be a Knick at least up until his contract becomes an expiring. Which could very will be a good thing in 2 years, who knows.
RE: Knicks one of a few teams in on Patrick Beverly, according to Stein.  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13368002 bceagle05 said:
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Let's hope he goes elsewhere. Sell, sell, sell, you fucking morons.


...what? would it be Rose for Beverly? How would it make sense to bring in rubio and then beverley? I would think Lee fits perfectly into what they are looking for, but they'd need to give more than beverley and Mcdaniels IMo
Al Iannazzone  
Canton : 2/22/2017 1:37 pm : link
"Melo ran some sprints after the practice and sat on a bench just looking around the gym. Maybe he was wondering if this was last time here."
Or praying it was...  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 1:38 pm : link
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I really doubt  
kash94 : 2/22/2017 1:42 pm : link
Noah is traded at least for the next two years. The only hope is that the salary cap goes up a lot which would dilute his cap hit.

Rose seems like he'll be gone. Hoping Knicks get a bit more than just Rubio even if its a 2nd or protected first.

Re: Beverly perhaps a McDaniels + Beverly + a 2nd rounder for Courtney Lee could work? Lee is a great fit for them
I think  
kash94 : 2/22/2017 1:43 pm : link
Beverly is fine. Cheap deal, can shoot, and defend.
RE: I really doubt  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13368016 kash94 said:
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Noah is traded at least for the next two years. The only hope is that the salary cap goes up a lot which would dilute his cap hit.

Rose seems like he'll be gone. Hoping Knicks get a bit more than just Rubio even if its a 2nd or protected first.

Re: Beverly perhaps a McDaniels + Beverly + a 2nd rounder for Courtney Lee could work? Lee is a great fit for them


It just makes little sense as to why they'd swap Beverley for Lee. Beverley is a top PG defender, do you now want Lee to chase PGs? He's similar as a 3 point shooter and worlds better as a playmaker and rebounder. By all accounts Beverley is a better player than Lee. Makes no sense as to why Houston would do this. That's not even factoring he's making less than half what Lee is making.
Beverley is also 3 years younger  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:48 pm : link
than Lee. Half the cost, similar 3 point shooter, better defender, better rebounder, better passer...wtf??
Houston not looking to deal  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 1:56 pm : link
Beverley. Would be interested in KJ if they're looking to just dump him.
K-Mart  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 1:58 pm : link
shitting on Phil/Noah was pretty funny. He sounded like a fan saying Noah sucks and not just a rival.
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If true I suspect Larry learned that without futures (great rookies/picks), the talent equation was really zero sum. He could get George more help, but not without trading off Teague or Turner in the process.

NBA increasingly feels like you either need to draw the inside straight card of multiple high level talents or else you're spinning your wheels trying to get better. It has to be disheartening the KD, Russ, Ibaka and friends couldnt even score a title.
Ive watched Teague so many times this year.  
dep026 : 2/22/2017 2:11 pm : link
definitely on pace for worst contract this offseason. He has never, ever made a team better than average.
Is Magic going to pry George from Bird?  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 2:15 pm : link
Russell, Randle and Zubac for PG13?
That should top Ainge's offer  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 2:18 pm : link
of Jerebko and a second rounder.
Interesting read on the PG situation in Minnesota  
Canton : 2/22/2017 2:20 pm : link
Mentions Thibs willingness to part with Rubio and wanting Rose
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RE: Interesting read on the PG situation in Minnesota  
EricNY33 : 2/22/2017 2:22 pm : link
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Mentions Thibs willingness to part with Rubio and wanting Rose Link - ( New Window )


That's because what everyone doesn't know is Thibs was the 4th guy in the gangbang Rose was accused of rape in.
In other news  
Canton : 2/22/2017 2:24 pm : link
The NY Knicks have assigned Maurice Ndour and Marshall Plumlee to the @wcknicks
How  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 2:24 pm : link
about they throw in Jones then? Thanks.
Well this clears everything up...  
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Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 2:34 pm : link
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of Jerebko and a second rounder.


I lol'd
RE: Well this clears everything up...  
EricNY33 : 2/22/2017 2:35 pm : link
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Which is code for I don't wanna be traded
knicks should get a big trade exception  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 2:41 pm : link
if this deal goes through
RE: knicks should get a big trade exception  
EricNY33 : 2/22/2017 2:43 pm : link
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if this deal goes through


The Rose trade, right?
RE: Knicks one of a few teams in on Patrick Beverly, according to Stein.  
Greg from LI : 2/22/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13368002 bceagle05 said:
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Let's hope he goes elsewhere. Sell, sell, sell, you fucking morons.


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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 2:50 pm : link
Mudiay is now the 3rd PG? KOQ for Mudiay, do it up. #Knicks
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nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 2:56 pm : link
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if this deal goes through



The Rose trade, right?


yes, if it is rose for rubio straight up it will be around 7 or 8 million
Can we at least get Shabazz in the deal  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 3:03 pm : link
Don't even like him that much, but give me some excuse to get over-hyped about ANY young player.
RE: Can we at least get Shabazz in the deal  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13368125 giantsfan44ab said:
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Don't even like him that much, but give me some excuse to get over-hyped about ANY young player.


Sorry boss, you are getting Lance Stephenson and liking it!
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 3:06 pm : link
He has not been good but keep an eye on this guy... Knicks previously tried acquiring his rights via trade
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RE: That should top Ainge's offer  
Deej : 2/22/2017 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13368064 bceagle05 said:
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of Jerebko and a second rounder.


What are the protections on the 2?
.  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 3:10 pm : link
They own the rights to this guy too who sounds at least mildly interesting
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giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 3:12 pm : link
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He has not been good but keep an eye on this guy... Knicks previously tried acquiring his rights via trade Link - ( New Window )


Sounds like Kuz in PF form.
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13368142 giantsfan44ab said:
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He has not been good but keep an eye on this guy... Knicks previously tried acquiring his rights via trade Link - ( New Window )



Sounds like Kuz in PF form.


Supposedly the deal was pretty close and then fell apart. Presumably our Euro scouts liked him so I would think he'd be on the radar.
Mudiay take from the Denver Post  
Deej : 2/22/2017 3:21 pm : link
Trade Mudiay because Murray is a rising star. Evidence for that is Murray's MVP in the Rising Star Challenge (not mentioned: last year Mudiay dropped 30-10 and would have won MVP if his team had won).

Ok. What for? Only in a blockbuster. What blockbuster? Only one mentioned is several permutations of Butler to DEN, all of which the author dismisses from CHI's POV.

Man, sports columnist is a great gig.
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Greg, funny pic ~ an hour ago  
ColHowPepper : 2/22/2017 3:33 pm : link
Was that a Black Monday or Black Friday? You're suggesting this will be Black Wednesday? lol
Celtics  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 3:42 pm : link
and Lakers reportedly vying for Paul George
Larry better not set up Ainge  
Deej : 2/22/2017 3:50 pm : link
just because of the Boston connection. But I'd rather have the BK pics than the Lakers assets. Turner, Randle and Ingram/Russell aint getting you anywhere.
I hate the Celtics  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 3:52 pm : link
but I do like the idea of Lebron flipping out over this in Cleveland. I wish the Celtics would make their move already - whatever it is - so there's sufficient time for some aftershocks.
RE: Mudiay take from the Denver Post  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13368157 Deej said:
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Trade Mudiay because Murray is a rising star. Evidence for that is Murray's MVP in the Rising Star Challenge (not mentioned: last year Mudiay dropped 30-10 and would have won MVP if his team had won).

Ok. What for? Only in a blockbuster. What blockbuster? Only one mentioned is several permutations of Butler to DEN, all of which the author dismisses from CHI's POV.

Man, sports columnist is a great gig. Link - ( New Window )


Lol what? I stopped reading before any Jimmy butler talk even came up. I agree with the premise of starting Murray at PG but he's acting like Murray has been a marksman from deep and harris is struggling with his shot.

And you only want to trade Mudiay in a blockbuster so Denver doesn't regret giving up on his potential but you also want the PG to be benched in favor of a 2 guard in the starting lineup. Makes sense.
RE: Larry better not set up Ainge  
Greg from LI : 2/22/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13368206 Deej said:
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just because of the Boston connection. But I'd rather have the BK pics than the Lakers assets. Turner, Randle and Ingram/Russell aint getting you anywhere.


Well, McHale already did it once, so what's one more time?
RE: Larry better not set up Ainge  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13368206 Deej said:
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just because of the Boston connection. But I'd rather have the BK pics than the Lakers assets. Turner, Randle and Ingram/Russell aint getting you anywhere.


If the Nets play is in pick, sure. But Randle would thrive playing with a center who spaces the floor like Turner (just like he did at the beginning of this season) and Russell still has good 2 guard potential. Don't think that would be the worst trade given the fact it looks like George wants to leave. Can't help much for Indy's leverage.
Bojan to the wizards  
hitdog42 : 2/22/2017 3:58 pm : link
being reported--likely for a first i assume--- good for nets.
Bogdonavic to the Wizards  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 3:58 pm : link
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Nets take back Nicholson's bad $7mm x 3 yearscontract  
Deej : 2/22/2017 4:06 pm : link
so the value is not just for Bog
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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 4:07 pm : link
The Knicks are asking for a first-round pick in exchange for Kyle O'Quinn, reports Frank Isola of the NY Daily News.
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Deej : 2/22/2017 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13368237 DanMetroMan said:
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The Knicks are asking for a first-round pick in exchange for Kyle O'Quinn, reports Frank Isola of the NY Daily News.


As they should be. He's better than Bodganovic.
Been in meetings most of the day.  
Carl in CT : 2/22/2017 4:11 pm : link
So it looks like 23 hours to go and nothing has happened. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks
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The Knicks are asking for a first-round pick in exchange for Kyle O'Quinn, reports Frank Isola of the NY Daily News.



As they should be. He's better than Bodganovic.


The issue is that Bogdonavic is a guard and KOQ is a 4/5. Idk why Boston doesn't give a throw away euro and a late first but I don't think there's much of a market for bigs. Okafor is the only other one that's being discussed but the rumors that are floating around and all the deals so far after Boogie are for wing players.
You would think if rose deal is grtting done it is getting done tomigh  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 4:23 pm : link
why make him travel to cleveland just to trade him if it is close..
RE: You would think if rose deal is grtting done it is getting done tomigh  
DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13368266 nygiants16 said:
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why make him travel to cleveland just to trade him if it is close..



Cause he's a dick who bailed on his team, fuck him wooooooooooo
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In comment 13368266 nygiants16 said:


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why make him travel to cleveland just to trade him if it is close..




Cause he's a dick who bailed on his team, fuck him wooooooooooo


point taken
I actually think a lot of the value here  
Deej : 2/22/2017 4:25 pm : link
was in taking AN's contract. $20 million left if he does not opt-out in 3 years. A late #1 for relieving a team of a $20 million obligation is not a great return given the history of trades. But it's a new NBA, and there are cap floor considerations (basically, the $20 million may not cost the Nets owner one additional penny in actual payroll).
RE: RE: You would think if rose deal is grtting done it is getting done tomigh  
Deej : 2/22/2017 4:26 pm : link
In comment 13368270 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13368266 nygiants16 said:


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why make him travel to cleveland just to trade him if it is close..




Cause he's a dick who bailed on his team, fuck him wooooooooooo


THANK YOU. Im glad this isnt forgotten. Someone said on yesterday's thread that if he isnt traded we should buy him out. Why? So he can go recover value playing 20 minutes a night off the bench in CLE? Fuck him.
RE: RE: RE: You would think if rose deal is grtting done it is getting done tomigh  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13368275 Deej said:
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In comment 13368270 DanMetroMan said:


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In comment 13368266 nygiants16 said:


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why make him travel to cleveland just to trade him if it is close..




Cause he's a dick who bailed on his team, fuck him wooooooooooo



THANK YOU. Im glad this isnt forgotten. Someone said on yesterday's thread that if he isnt traded we should buy him out. Why? So he can go recover value playing 20 minutes a night off the bench in CLE? Fuck him.


Or worse, GS.

I'd be open to deactivating him the rest of the season too.
Deactivation  
Deej : 2/22/2017 5:05 pm : link
I'd worry that players would think it reflects poorly on NYK. He's entering his UFA offseason, so deactivation could really damage his value. He's also a big name, and history suggests that players are not quick to re-calibrate their opinions on stars who have lost their fastball -- lots of guys around the league probably still consider Rose a big star.
Deactivation or buy out  
dep026 : 2/22/2017 5:11 pm : link
sends the wrong message, warranted or not. Deej is 100% correct. Rose is still a big name and it sends a terrible message. The missed game is behind Rose and the Knicks now. You have a top 10 pick as of now. You have no chance at the playoffs. Keeping him and going at this rate and parting ways at the end of the year is your best option.
RE: Deactivation or buy out  
Sgrcts : 2/22/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13368315 dep026 said:
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sends the wrong message, warranted or not. Deej is 100% correct. Rose is still a big name and it sends a terrible message. The missed game is behind Rose and the Knicks now. You have a top 10 pick as of now. You have no chance at the playoffs. Keeping him and going at this rate and parting ways at the end of the year is your best option.


How is a buy out a terrible message? You're doing right by a veteran player and letting him play for a contending team of his choice. Players never complain about buy outs in that situation.
I'd think Rose would prefer a buyout to being traded some place  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2017 6:41 pm : link
he wouldn't want to be. It's actually kind of a courtesy.
RE: RE: Deactivation or buy out  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13368401 Sgrcts said:
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sends the wrong message, warranted or not. Deej is 100% correct. Rose is still a big name and it sends a terrible message. The missed game is behind Rose and the Knicks now. You have a top 10 pick as of now. You have no chance at the playoffs. Keeping him and going at this rate and parting ways at the end of the year is your best option.



How is a buy out a terrible message? You're doing right by a veteran player and letting him play for a contending team of his choice. Players never complain about buy outs in that situation.


I think Deej's point which I now agree with is that it sends the wrong message. Rose doesn't deserve to get rewarded by playing in a better situation because of his actions.
This amount of rumors  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 6:43 pm : link
with this amount of inaction has me thinking we will have the same exact team 20 hours from now.
Phil goes to bed at around 7:30 pm  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 6:47 pm : link
so we'll see what the next 45 minutes bring.

I'm guessing the Celtics are holding everything up - anyone with a star player is waiting to see if Ainge budges at all. What a troll he is.
RE: This amount of rumors  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13368414 giantsfan44ab said:
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with this amount of inaction has me thinking we will have the same exact team 20 hours from now.


rose sitting out the scrimmage tells me it is at least close...

probably still working on the other pieces going...

maybe knicks want wolves to take on lance or noah...
Rose  
Giantfootball025 : 2/22/2017 7:08 pm : link
doesn't care. He wants to get paid. I think he'd prefer to go someplace where he's the man and can just score and get his stats, so he can cash in during the offseason.
Phil  
TyreeHelmet : 2/22/2017 7:12 pm : link
I'd be shocked if Jackson makes a move that benefits the Knicks long term. Hell either stupidly stand pat or make a shitty trade. The guy has got to go
Future Knick Jayson Tatum  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 7:39 pm : link
playing well in Syracuse.
.  
Anakim : 2/22/2017 7:40 pm : link
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sixers are finalizing a trade to Ersan Ilyasova to Atlanta for Tiago Splitter and two second-round picks, league sources tell @TheVertical.
Dickie V. taking shots at Phil.  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 7:43 pm : link
Not that his opinion is worth anything.
.  
Anakim : 2/22/2017 7:44 pm : link
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account‏@WojVerticalNBA
Chicago has continued to push on a trade for 76ers center Jahlil Okafor, league sources tell @TheVertical. Discussions continue.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/22/2017 8:04 pm : link
I think neither Butler, George, or 'Melo are moved by 3 PM tomorrow.
I'm having trouble seeing how Okafor makes sense for Chicago  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/22/2017 8:11 pm : link
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RE: I'm having trouble seeing how Okafor makes sense for Chicago  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13368506 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's from Chicago..so..you know
I'll  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 8:14 pm : link
be pretty upset if this Rose for Rubio thing doesn't happen. I really like Rubio and think he'd be a good fit. Also a much better option than splurging on someone like George Hill, who will get paid more money and do a worse job.
RE: I'll  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13368509 Jon in NYC said:
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be pretty upset if this Rose for Rubio thing doesn't happen. I really like Rubio and think he'd be a good fit. Also a much better option than splurging on someone like George Hill, who will get paid more money and do a worse job.


my guess is knicks are asking for another asset to take on rubios contract and twolves are posturing..

my guess is it gets done, no reason to sit out the scrimmsge if they didnt think it would get done
RE: I'll  
TyreeHelmet : 2/22/2017 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13368509 Jon in NYC said:
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be pretty upset if this Rose for Rubio thing doesn't happen. I really like Rubio and think he'd be a good fit. Also a much better option than splurging on someone like George Hill, who will get paid more money and do a worse job.


I want the Rose/ Rubio trade to happen too and I don't want them spending big money on George Hill but Hill is a much better player than Rubio.
RE: I'll  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13368509 Jon in NYC said:
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be pretty upset if this Rose for Rubio thing doesn't happen. I really like Rubio and think he'd be a good fit. Also a much better option than splurging on someone like George Hill, who will get paid more money and do a worse job.


George Hill will get overpaid...but he's really damn good. I don't want him because we will win too many games with him.
.  
Anakim : 2/22/2017 8:50 pm : link
Michael ScottoVerified account‏@MikeAScotto
The Phoenix Suns expressed interest in trading for New York Knicks forward Mindaugas Kuzminskas, league sources told Basketball Insiders.
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giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13368534 Anakim said:
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Michael ScottoVerified account‏@MikeAScotto
The Phoenix Suns expressed interest in trading for New York Knicks forward Mindaugas Kuzminskas, league sources told Basketball Insiders.

God fucking damn it, we're actually going to end up with PJ tucker.
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Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13368534 Anakim said:
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Michael ScottoVerified account‏@MikeAScotto
The Phoenix Suns expressed interest in trading for New York Knicks forward Mindaugas Kuzminskas, league sources told Basketball Insiders.


I'll take PJ Tucker and a 2nd.
last i saw suns wanted  
nygiants16 : 2/22/2017 8:54 pm : link
a 1sr round pick for tucker, i am not trading kuz and a 1st for tucker
Just saw Tatum highlights  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2017 10:15 pm : link
from tonight. Sign me the eff up. Wasn't even the scoring that impressed me, but he passed good shots off for great shots for his teammates. Fuck Duke, but how is this kid not Granger 2.0?
Wouldn't surprise me if Tatum's a top five pick.  
bceagle05 : 2/22/2017 10:28 pm : link
Looks like he could impact an NBA game tomorrow. Solid defender and rebounder, too. I'm already on the bandwagon.
RE: Just saw Tatum highlights  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 11:25 pm : link
In comment 13368593 Jon in NYC said:
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from tonight. Sign me the eff up. Wasn't even the scoring that impressed me, but he passed good shots off for great shots for his teammates. Fuck Duke, but how is this kid not Granger 2.0?


Yup I'm more than ok with him. Has the tools to be a very good defender. If given the choice I might, MIGHT take him over smith. Right now I think getting in the top 6 is ideal. Probably won't happen but want to get one of Tatum, Isaac, Jackson and smith. Maybe one will fall
Ball  
Giantfootball025 : 2/23/2017 12:09 am : link
Monk, Fultz, and Tatum are the top 4 I like. But honestly, I'd take Fox, Smith, Isaac, or Jackson. Lauri Markkenan and the PG from France aren't bad consolations either. Would love if the Knicks could come away with a combo of any of those 10.
Inside the lab with KP  
Canton : 2/23/2017 5:56 am : link
Great dunk analysis
Link - ( New Window )
Possible Kuzminskas trade?  
Canton : 2/23/2017 7:23 am : link
"The Phoenix Suns expressed interest in trading for New York Knicks forward Mindaugas Kuzminskas, league sources told Basketball Insiders".
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