- Multiple teams in on Deron Williams (who would seemingly be a similar group with interest in Rose), Utah is one such team in on Deron reportedly.
-Kobe/Harden's agent Rob Pelinka is the new GM of the Lakers
-Boston still talking to "everyone" including the Sixers regarding Okafor per Stein
-Knicks "aggressively" looking to deal Rose per Woj
especially teams trying to make a playoff push
Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical and Marc Berman of the New York Post also reported that it's unlikely that Melo goes anywhere this week.
Fred Kerber of the New York Post also weighed in on Tuesday:
The obvious teams kicking the tires on Anthony are the Clippers, who dont want to give up anybody really good, the Cavaliers, who dont want to give up anybody really good and the Celtics, who apparently dont want to give up anybody period for the Knicks forward.
Anthony, over the weekend at the All-Star Game, admitted he thinks about a possible move a lot but also said he doesnt see a scenario that makes sense for him or the Knicks.
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Pistons open to listening to inquiries on Kentavious Caldwell-Pope?
If they can move him and get an asset (even a 2nd rd pick) without taking back a long term salary then they should go for it.
The knicks best bet is to suck ass the rest of the way and get in the top half of the lottery. There are a lot of PGS available. Move Melo in the offseason and turn the team over to KP and whomever they pick in the lottery.
Would be able to get a nice package for Lee as well in the offseason.
Redick. They were said to be unwilling to deal him.
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Sounds to me like the Pistons think that their Drummond-Jackson-Harris-KCP core is a ticket to nowheresville. KCP is going to get a massive contract. Why wouldnt Philly sign him -- he can defend and shoot the 3, and they dont need cap space to put a core of stars in place. KCP isnt going to be a top 3-4 player on a title team, but Embiid, Simmons, and their bevy of picks could fill those roles.
I predict a Pistons rebuild within 18 months.
knicks have no leverage and teams like the clippers and cavs know he only wants to go to 2 or 3 places...
and boston knows the clippers and cavs do not have shot to offer..
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who is the 4th player in the Paper Clips* "core" 4? Rivers or Reddick?
Redick. They were said to be unwilling to deal him.
Ok. So really they just want Melo for free. Which is their prerogative, but it makes sense that LAC scuttlebutt quickly died out.
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YES we want Carmelo.. but NO you cant having anything of quality back in return
knicks have no leverage and teams like the clippers and cavs know he only wants to go to 2 or 3 places...
and boston knows the clippers and cavs do not have shot to offer..
I think it says more about how teams view melo. If teams really believed in him, would they be playing hardball? The clippers were the only team in the running and they are offering Rivers and Crawford, lol. They won't even throw in Reddick!
His contract should be something of the Lee status, maybe slight more. But if anyone thinks of paying him the max..... thats just silly.
His contract should be something of the Lee status, maybe slight more. But if anyone thinks of paying him the max..... thats just silly.
I was thinking about this yesterday. If true stars are going to be making $40M a year, why are guys like KCP, Teague, smart, etc. all expected to get max contracts? This next 2 year period in FA is one I am willing to sit out. There's going to be a load of horrible contracts before there is a correction. Cap space will be an asset in no time if these guys are truly max players.
Doesn't seem to be any interest in Lee so I really don't see anyone else being traded. Maybe KOQ, but I'm in no hurry to trade him.
Counterpoint is that generally people trade futures to acquire stars for a title run. Cavs and Clips literally have no futures to offer. Celtics I think are just waiting/hording. Ainge has "won" so many trades that it's not clear to me he has the capacity to say fuck it and take a risk.
Also Im not convinced that the Celtics view this season as the year to push (Love injury probably changed that a bit). Horford is 30, and the difference between 30 and 31 isnt huge. Crowder, Thomas, Bradley are all 26-27. Smart is 22, Brown is 20 -- those guys could use another year of seasoning. They have some intriguing draft adn follows, and of course they have the Brooklyn picks coming. Boston could easily think that their better shot is next season.
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for some Euro players and non Nets draft picks and they are "thinking about it". If teams viewed Melo as someone that can tip the scales, they'd offer more than Rivers, Crawford, Shump and whatever other crap they don't want. Everyone loves Melo, but nobody wants to play with him and nobody wants him to play for their team.
Counterpoint is that generally people trade futures to acquire stars for a title run. Cavs and Clips literally have no futures to offer. Celtics I think are just waiting/hording. Ainge has "won" so many trades that it's not clear to me he has the capacity to say fuck it and take a risk.
Also Im not convinced that the Celtics view this season as the year to push (Love injury probably changed that a bit). Horford is 30, and the difference between 30 and 31 isnt huge. Crowder, Thomas, Bradley are all 26-27. Smart is 22, Brown is 20 -- those guys could use another year of seasoning. They have some intriguing draft adn follows, and of course they have the Brooklyn picks coming. Boston could easily think that their better shot is next season.
Then why are they interested in George and Butler? I think the Celtics are smart and will only make a move that helps them. Melo isn't in their class anymore.
i would bet if celtics do not get the number 1 pick they trade it, like they did when they formed their big 3
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the only players the Knicks need to move now are Rose and Jennings. I bet Melo's market opens up in the summer when more teams are trying to get into contention/taking stock.
i would bet if celtics do not get the number 1 pick they trade it, like they did when they formed their big 3
I don't think there's a tangible difference between #1 and #2, and the droppff from 3 doesn't seem that big either.
Then why are they interested in George and Butler? I think the Celtics are smart and will only make a move that helps them. Melo isn't in their class anymore.
Butler and George are younger and dont implicate the same window issues that Melo does. Also, it's not clear that they're interested in those guys other than on the relative cheap. Until we hear that they're trading the BK picks, it's just chatter.
I don't think there's a tangible difference between #1 and #2, and the droppff from 3 doesn't seem that big either.
I dont know the players but from what I read/see that is my take too. Fultz is clearly #1 but not by leaps and bounds. Usually there is a top tier -- Simmons and Ingram, KAT/Russell/Jah, Durant/Oden etc. Seems to me that unless you really have Fultz separating, there is a top tier of 4-5 players as of now.
The Celtics are reportedly still interested in Jahlil Okafor.
The Celtics still view Jimmy Butler and Paul George as their primary targets for any deadline day deal, but if Boston can't pull off a major move, they may turn their eyes towards Okafor. David Aldridge boldly stated during an appearance on NBA TV on Tuesday night that Okafor "will get moved" by the deadline and that Philly has "a lot of offers" on the table. He's also been linked to the Pacers and Kings, and the Kings would be the best landing spot in terms of fantasy hoops.
Okafor doesnt give them the rebounding they lack. Okafor and Thomas cannot play together. Can you imagine what John Wall would do to Thomas and Okafor?
Luckily (sigh) they are bad enough as consisted to get a top 8-10 pick in a deep draft; Rose and Jennings contracts melt away giving them cap flexibility, they have two second round picks this year and all their future firsts.
And, in the offseason it is possibly Melo expands his list of teams and the Knicks would get offered more. No way Melo will want to stick around for a complete rebuild.
So at the deadline, only make trades that bring back picks and cheap assets. Otherwise stand pat.
Luckily (sigh) they are bad enough as consisted to get a top 8-10 pick in a deep draft; Rose and Jennings contracts melt away giving them cap flexibility, they have two second round picks this year and all their future firsts.
And, in the offseason it is possibly Melo expands his list of teams and the Knicks would get offered more. No way Melo will want to stick around for a complete rebuild.
So at the deadline, only make trades that bring back picks and cheap assets. Otherwise stand pat.
Agree with all of this. I would trade for Rubio if he came with a legit asset attached. Rose for Rubio is counterproductive, IMO.
Okafor doesnt give them the rebounding they lack. Okafor and Thomas cannot play together. Can you imagine what John Wall would do to Thomas and Okafor?
Zach Lowe was saying that their pursuit of Okafor was more because Indiana/Chicago both expressed interest in him at certain points, so it could be just a tactic to get another asset they like to make a George/Butler deal happen.
According to David Aldridge, Tom Thibodeau is "not really enamored" with Ricky Rubio right now, and he feels Derrick Rose would be an "upgrade" at the point guard position, which is a pretty fascinating take. A straight up Rose-Rubio swap would work under the cap guidelines, and with Thibs reportedly making a strong push for Rose, this is certainly a deal we could see go down on deadline day."
Per ESPN
"Some in the Knicks organization are wary of taking back any player who has multiple years remaining on his contract, according to sources familiar with the teams thinking. That might factor in if Rubio is being offered -- the 26-year-old is under contract for a total of $29 million over the next two seasons -- though others who have been in touch with the Knicks recently came away with the impression that Jackson is a fan of Rubio."
regarding Melo -
"If nothing happens by Thursday, that doesnt necessarily mean the trade rumors surrounding Anthony will subside. If he doesn't agree to be traded by Thursday, some in the Clippers organization believe Anthony will be willing to waive his no-trade clause and come to Los Angeles to join Chris Paul this summer, per league sources with knowledge of the situation."
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Rubio's defense hasnt been as good this year, and with the new open style NBA plays..... you can exploit anyone or get mismatches you want. Even if Rubio were a lockdown defneder aka Kawahi..... with the amount of switches and open floor - the lock down defender at the point is declining by the year.
You can't make a bad trade because you are scared of something worse.
I think they're going to view the pieces as not conducive to a rebuild. Melo and Noah, KP in year 3, Willy will be 23 years old. More likely is that they say KP, Willy, and the 2017 #1 are enough youth and they want to get on to winning. And if that is how it is leaning, it makes sense for management to take on Rubio. His contract is fine and lowish risk.
if you are a team way under the cap with no hope i would think he is a guy you target no?
I think they're going to view the pieces as not conducive to a rebuild. Melo and Noah, KP in year 3, Willy will be 23 years old. More likely is that they say KP, Willy, and the 2017 #1 are enough youth and they want to get on to winning. And if that is how it is leaning, it makes sense for management to take on Rubio. His contract is fine and lowish risk.
That's what I'm afraid of. Hey look! We got the 7th pick in the draft! Hey year 3 is when young players make a significant jump! Hey Willy will be a double double machine if we start him!
Quite frankly, I don't think he's wrong about how good the team would be next year. If this team is kept intact, the development in Kp+ Willy, a top pick in a good draft and someone added with the MLE might be good enough to vault us into the 7/8 seed. Obviously leaps and bounds away from being a contender, but a semi-competitive team.
if you are a team way under the cap with no hope i would think he is a guy you target no?
Not that I dont like him, just not for the max which is rumors is what he wants. Good defender, improved shooter - not much to his game. Averaging 2 boards/2 assists per game and is 40% shooter from the floor.
Nice guy to have on your team but to may him max or near max money is silly.
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i haven't watched him much but from what i gather he is young and still developing (has upside)--- would think nets offer him in size on RFA front.
if you are a team way under the cap with no hope i would think he is a guy you target no?
Not that I dont like him, just not for the max which is rumors is what he wants. Good defender, improved shooter - not much to his game. Averaging 2 boards/2 assists per game and is 40% shooter from the floor.
Nice guy to have on your team but to may him max or near max money is silly.
so kind of perfect guy for a team like the nets to overpay- not ideal for a more cap constrained contender to invest in