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DanMetroMan : 2/22/2017 9:11 am
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Some teams believe a blockbuster trade for Jimmy Garoppolo is imminent.
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God dammit fucking Patriots  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 2/22/2017 9:12 am : link
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Wouldn't we have to wait until 3/9  
The_Boss : 2/22/2017 9:12 am : link
For it to be announced?
Gotta be the Browns  
jlukes : 2/22/2017 9:13 am : link
Watch the Pats get #12, #33 and 1st next year
RE: Wouldn't we have to wait until 3/9  
YAJ2112 : 2/22/2017 9:14 am : link
In comment 13367530 The_Boss said:
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For it to be announced?


Why? This isn't the NBA.
Bill Belichick doing Belichick things  
Brown Recluse : 2/22/2017 9:14 am : link
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And just think if it wasn't for deflategate  
jlukes : 2/22/2017 9:15 am : link
there's no way Garoppolo would be as sought after as he currently is.

Pats needs to send Goodell and thank you card
RE: Gotta be the Browns  
jeff57 : 2/22/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13367531 jlukes said:
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Watch the Pats get #12, #33 and 1st next year


Browns should close up shop if they give up that much.
RE: Gotta be the Browns  
AcidTest : 2/22/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13367531 jlukes said:
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Watch the Pats get #12, #33 and 1st next year


Yup. Cleveland will do what the Rams and Eagles did last year. This is the NFL. Teams pursue QBs like Gollum pursued the ring. QBs are their precious.
It could be announced before 3/9, but wouldn't become official  
jlukes : 2/22/2017 9:15 am : link
until the start of the new league year
darkhorse would obviously be the Texans  
jlukes : 2/22/2017 9:17 am : link
Imagine something like Gronk and Garoppolo for JJ Watt and Texans 1st rounder?

brb, gonna try it on Madden
RE: RE: Wouldn't we have to wait until 3/9  
The_Boss : 2/22/2017 9:18 am : link
In comment 13367532 YAJ2112 said:
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In comment 13367530 The_Boss said:


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For it to be announced?



Why? This isn't the NBA.


I succinctly remember a few years ago, when the new league year opened, a fleury of moves were announced that nobody knew about like Bradford to Philly and Jimmy Graham to Seattle.
exactly as predicted  
UConn4523 : 2/22/2017 9:18 am : link
the 4 game Brady suspension just made things easier for the Patriots. JG was going to be traded anyway but his value skyrocketed in his 2 game audition.

2-0, 502 yards, 4 TDs/0 Ints with a completion rate of 68%.
Remember  
AcidTest : 2/22/2017 9:18 am : link
when Buffalo gave up a #1 and a #4 for Rob Johnson, because he played well in a few games? Teams are idiots. What has Garoppolo done to justify the kind of haul Belicheck will extract from any suitor?
What about the Niners?  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2017 9:19 am : link
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I read the Bears  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2017 9:19 am : link
are very interested. Not for pick 3, but 35 (? their 2nd round pick).

Not sure if that qualifies as a blockbuster, but he's an IL native, went to college in IL and I read yesterday they are desperately trying to trade Cutler.
RE: Remember  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13367544 AcidTest said:
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when Buffalo gave up a #1 and a #4 for Rob Johnson, because he played well in a few games? Teams are idiots. What has Garoppolo done to justify the kind of haul Belicheck will extract from any suitor?


I also remember Seattle giving Flynn a huge contract based on one game with GB and he never even started a game for Seattle.
The poor Browns can't keep out of their own way  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2017 9:21 am : link
watch them give up the #1 overall pick for Garoppolo.
RE: RE: Gotta be the Browns  
mfsd : 2/22/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13367537 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13367531 jlukes said:


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Watch the Pats get #12, #33 and 1st next year



Yup. Cleveland will do what the Rams and Eagles did last year. This is the NFL. Teams pursue QBs like Gollum pursued the ring. QBs are their precious.


great analogy
anyone who gives up one,  
bigbluehoya : 2/22/2017 9:27 am : link
Let alone multiple, top 20 picks for a QB like this deserves every bit of what they have coming to them.

I'm relatively less triggered by Pats' successes than most, but watching them profit on such stupidity of others will make it the more painful.
RE: RE: Remember  
AcidTest : 2/22/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13367549 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13367544 AcidTest said:


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when Buffalo gave up a #1 and a #4 for Rob Johnson, because he played well in a few games? Teams are idiots. What has Garoppolo done to justify the kind of haul Belicheck will extract from any suitor?



I also remember Seattle giving Flynn a huge contract based on one game with GB and he never even started a game for Seattle.


That too.
Bears also  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/22/2017 9:49 am : link
are very interested in getting him.
Of course there is.  
Keith : 2/22/2017 9:52 am : link
The pats flip the script on the league. Win the SB and also get to showcase another mediocre QB and flip him for picks.
"Blockbuster" may mean multiple teams  
Ben in Tampa : 2/22/2017 9:57 am : link
so it could involve the Pats, Bears and third team who would acquire Cutler.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/22/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13367589 Ben in Tampa said:
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so it could involve the Pats, Bears and third team who would acquire Cutler.


He is a FA I believe.
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pjcas18 : 2/22/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13367631 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 13367589 Ben in Tampa said:


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so it could involve the Pats, Bears and third team who would acquire Cutler.



He is a FA I believe.


Cutler is under contract 4 more years. As I posted earlier the Bears are desperately trying to trade him (so it's been reported) which is why I speculated they might be the landing spot for Garoppolo (as well as Jimmy's background).
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giants#1 : 2/22/2017 10:16 am : link
In comment 13367631 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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so it could involve the Pats, Bears and third team who would acquire Cutler.



He is a FA I believe.


He's still signed, but likely to be cut shortly.
RE: Remember  
Steve L : 2/22/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13367544 AcidTest said:
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when Buffalo gave up a #1 and a #4 for Rob Johnson, because he played well in a few games? Teams are idiots. What has Garoppolo done to justify the kind of haul Belicheck will extract from any suitor?


Totally agree. The guy has played in 17 games in his career while starting two. Yeah his stats trend well, but geez.
Remember when the Dolphins gave up  
Keith : 2/22/2017 10:30 am : link
a 2nd rounder to the Eagles for AJ Feeley?
one of these days  
djm : 2/22/2017 10:32 am : link
the Pats are gonna make a move that everyone lauds and approves and it's going to blow up in their face. And I will be there smiling.

Go ahead and trade Garoppolo. And WHEN, not if, when Tom brady stops throwing footballs like a Greek God the Pats just might regret trading the young QB.

OR maybe Brady plays another 6 years and Jimmy G ends up languishing somewhere else. HE looks like the real deal though. I'd be leery of trading him.
RE: I read the Bears  
djm : 2/22/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13367547 pjcas18 said:
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are very interested. Not for pick 3, but 35 (? their 2nd round pick).

Not sure if that qualifies as a blockbuster, but he's an IL native, went to college in IL and I read yesterday they are desperately trying to trade Cutler.


There's no way in hell any team gets Jimmy for a lousy 2nd round pick. He was a 2nd round pick and now has 2 (or more) years of NFL seasoning under his belt AND he actually played well in a few games. Garoppolo should be traded for nothing less than a first round pick....I would insist on more if I am the Pats.

I think Bellichick goes against the grain....  
BillKo : 2/22/2017 10:36 am : link
....flips Brady for a #2, extends Gap, and the dynasty continues for another 5-6 years.........
the rate of failure/success  
djm : 2/22/2017 10:39 am : link
for QBs that were traded at a young age is probably about the same as QBs drafted in same round that traded QB was drafted in. For every Rob Johnson there is a Brett Favre. For every AJ Feely there's a Mark Brunell.

Qbs drafted very high can bust. QBs traded for a lot of chips can bust. It's the hardest position to get a read on. Doesn't mean a team is dumb for dealing picks if they love the guy. Some trades are dumb in hindsight but that QB was drafted pretty high for a reason. And then to get a crack at that same QB who has now had a chance to season in the NFL? That's gonna cost a team big. And it should.
RE: RE: I read the Bears  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2017 10:41 am : link
In comment 13367686 djm said:
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In comment 13367547 pjcas18 said:


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are very interested. Not for pick 3, but 35 (? their 2nd round pick).

Not sure if that qualifies as a blockbuster, but he's an IL native, went to college in IL and I read yesterday they are desperately trying to trade Cutler.



There's no way in hell any team gets Jimmy for a lousy 2nd round pick. He was a 2nd round pick and now has 2 (or more) years of NFL seasoning under his belt AND he actually played well in a few games. Garoppolo should be traded for nothing less than a first round pick....I would insist on more if I am the Pats.


I'm not saying the Patriots would agree, just saying what is being reported. CHI does not want to trade pick #3 for Garoppolo.

And value is hard to determine. Cassel went 11 - 5 and was traded for a 2nd and the Patriots had to throw in Vrabel, so who knows really. Garoppolo couldn't make it two games without being injured.

Wasn't Vrabel a salary dump?  
Greg from LI : 2/22/2017 10:42 am : link
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RE: Wasn't Vrabel a salary dump?  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13367699 Greg from LI said:
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Don't think so. Vrabel was entering the final year of his contract with a non-guaranteed 2.2M left on his deal.
oh ok. For some reason that was how I remembered it  
Greg from LI : 2/22/2017 10:47 am : link
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RE: oh ok. For some reason that was how I remembered it  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13367709 Greg from LI said:
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who knows with Belichick. I think they could have easily cut him, but when you read Pioli's comments after acquiring the pair he makes it seem he coveted both. Cassel to fill their franchise QB vacancy (LOL) and Vrabel to provide veteran leadership on the D.

Plus, in that D Vrabel was a LB and they just drafted Mayo, and still had Bruschi, Thomas and some younger guys.
Compare it to the Cassel trade  
Tom in DC : 2/22/2017 10:55 am : link
Matt Cassel got the Patriots the 34th overall pick (and they had to throw in Vrabel). I hear that this is a 'deep draft', therefor a high second round is pretty valuable. I would think the Browns at 33, 49ers at 34, and Bears at 36 could make a decent offer of their 2nd round pick.

if memory serves  
djm : 2/22/2017 11:08 am : link
Cassel was a mid to late round pick. IF he was a second rounder, then played well for a year he would have fetched more than the 2nd he did garner.

Just checked. Cassel was a 7th rounder.
Jimmy G  
djm : 2/22/2017 11:10 am : link
will return a lot to the Pats. He was a better prospect coming out than Cassel by a wide margin. And he did nothing to disparage his potential this past season.

Prepare yourselves. The Pats will get a lot in return.
RE: if memory serves  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13367753 djm said:
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Cassel was a mid to late round pick. IF he was a second rounder, then played well for a year he would have fetched more than the 2nd he did garner.

Just checked. Cassel was a 7th rounder.


Nassib was a 4th round pick he isn't getting a 4th back (if he was under contract), Mallett was a 3rd round pick for the Patriots, he got a 7th in a trade with the Texans.

I'm not putting Garoppolo in either's class, but just saying round picked doesn't necessarily impact what you get back if you trade them.

Cassel had 11 wins, like I said Garoppolo has 1.5 and couldn't make it through the second game after getting injured.

I like Garoppolo and think he ran that offense efficiently, but I'm not so convinced he's a franchise QB based on that small sample. That said, I would be less shocked to see him bust than I would be to see him win a playoff game.
RE: if memory serves  
figgy2989 : 2/22/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13367753 djm said:
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Cassel was a mid to late round pick. IF he was a second rounder, then played well for a year he would have fetched more than the 2nd he did garner.

Just checked. Cassel was a 7th rounder.


The funny thing is Cassel never even played in college. He spent his career at USC as a back up to Palmer and Leinhart.
another system Pats QB  
spike : 2/22/2017 11:13 am : link
who will fizz out elsewhere.

When are they going to learn?
Pats are smart  
GiantJake : 2/22/2017 11:20 am : link
They can trade Jimmy G, pick up some premium draft picks and then wait to see which QB drops to the bottom of the first round. If Watson, Trubisky or Kizer are sitting there within reach...they can grab a young guy to groom as a back-up and start the process all over again.
What would be the real Belichickian  
pjcas18 : 2/22/2017 11:25 am : link
move would be to trade Brissett for a 2nd round pick and keep Garoppolo for 2017, franchise Jimmy in 2018 and then decide what to do with him in 2019 when Brady is 42.

RE: RE: Gotta be the Browns  
superspynyg : 2/22/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13367537 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13367531 jlukes said:


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Watch the Pats get #12, #33 and 1st next year



Yup. Cleveland will do what the Rams and Eagles did last year. This is the NFL. Teams pursue QBs like Gollum pursued the ring. QBs are their precious.


Unless your Eas who can't seem to recognize and pay a franchise QB when he is already on their roster
RE: What would be the real Belichickian  
TommyWiseau : 2/22/2017 11:28 am : link
In comment 13367783 pjcas18 said:
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move would be to trade Brissett for a 2nd round pick and keep Garoppolo for 2017, franchise Jimmy in 2018 and then decide what to do with him in 2019 when Brady is 42.


Only problem is that no one is trading a 2nd round pick for Brissett, why would they?
RE: RE: Gotta be the Browns  
superspynyg : 2/22/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13367537 AcidTest said:
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In comment 13367531 jlukes said:


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Watch the Pats get #12, #33 and 1st next year



Yup. Cleveland will do what the Rams and Eagles did last year. This is the NFL. Teams pursue QBs like Gollum pursued the ring. QBs are their precious.


Unless your Wash who can't seem to recognize and pay a franchise QB when he is already on their roster
RE: RE: if memory serves  
Greg from LI : 2/22/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13367759 figgy2989 said:
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The funny thing is Cassel never even played in college. He spent his career at USC as a back up to Palmer and Leinhart.


Unusual, but not unprecedented. Brad Johnson had a nice pro career and he rode the pine behind Casey Weldon, who was an NFL scrub, at Florida State.
All it would have taken for Nassib to attract a decent pull  
Brown Recluse : 2/22/2017 11:30 am : link
in a trade was for Manning to be hurt for one game.

Just one game, Eli. Thats all we needed. But you had to go and be an iron man.

Where is Tonya Harding when you need her.
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