NGT:Greg Robinson one of the draft's biggest busts from 2014

and not sure why. Robinson was thought to be the safest player in the draft ironically

2014 may be the greatest draft ever.

Studs:
-Beckham
-Donald
-Martin
-Malcolm Butler
-Khalil Mack
-Mike Evans
-Derek Carr
-Jarvis Landry
-Anthony Barr
-Taylor Lewan

Other solid players
-Clowney
-Devonta Freeman
-Trai Turner
-James White
-Bridgewater
-Jason Verett
-Clinton-Dix
-Ryan Shazier
-CJ Mosley
-Brandon Cooks
-Kelvin Benjamin

and Sammy Watkins

Got Taylor Lewan and he's a Pro Bowl LT. Same for Jake Matthews with the Falcons.

The young kid in New Orleans, Andrus Peat, did really well filling in for Terron Armstead.

The guy has been a stud.

(Scherff) a guard? Don't think he's taken any snaps at even RT.

And by most accounts, Conklin was a beast for the Titans at RT last season.

In comment 13367703 kash94 said:

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and Sammy Watkins

He's been kind of a bust since he can't stay on the field. The talent is there though.

highly ranked OL (in recent years) that have not lived up to their high draft status (Joeckel, Warmack, Cooper, Flowers? to name a few)

In comment 13367707 robbieballs2003 said:

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The guy has been a stud.

You could argue a few of those guys. Barr was anything but a stud last season. And Clowney is certainly working his way into the 'stud' category. Arguably the best DE against the run last season and came on a little as a pass rusher. If Watt's healthy, that D could be elite.

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highly ranked OL (in recent years) that have not lived up to their high draft status (Joeckel, Warmack, Cooper, Flowers? to name a few)

Yeah I forgot about Lewans and Matthews of course had the lineage. But a lot of guys like these.

Picking a bust in that 2014 draft is lethal given the quality of it.

which kids will adapt to the real world (NFL) and which will not. Same thing with the dude who peaked in high school only to be that guy in his 20s and 30s. You know that guy.

In comment 13367702 kash94 said:

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2014 may be the greatest draft ever. Studs: -Beckham -Donald -Martin -Malcolm Butler -Khalil Mack -Mike Evans -Derek Carr -Jarvis Landry -Anthony Barr -Taylor Lewan Other solid players -Clowney -Devonta Freeman -Trai Turner -James White -Bridgewater -Jason Verett -Clinton-Dix -Ryan Shazier -CJ Mosley -Brandon Cooks -Kelvin Benjamin

I think Clowney deserves to be in that middle list.

But holy shit, what a draft. Crazay when Shazier, Mosley, Cooks, and Benjamin are in the bottom rung of studs

In comment 13367698 kash94 said:

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and not sure why. Robinson was thought to be the safest player in the draft ironically

Robinson was not thought of as the safest. He was very raw and had the highest upside among the top OT's.

In comment 13367706 Toth029 said:

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Got Taylor Lewan and he's a Pro Bowl LT. Same for Jake Matthews with the Falcons. The young kid in New Orleans, Andrus Peat, did really well filling in for Terron Armstead.

Peat was in a diff draft from Lewan and Matthews. He's class of '15 like Flowers, I thought we would go Peat over Flowers, Peat has been underwhelming last I heard in N.O.

If nothing else, he looked like a terrific run blocker. They should have kept him at guard.

In comment 13367757 est1986 said:

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In comment 13367706 Toth029 said: Quote: Got Taylor Lewan and he's a Pro Bowl LT. Same for Jake Matthews with the Falcons. The young kid in New Orleans, Andrus Peat, did really well filling in for Terron Armstead. Peat was in a diff draft from Lewan and Matthews. He's class of '15 like Flowers, I thought we would go Peat over Flowers, Peat has been underwhelming last I heard in N.O.

Here's an article posted late in the season giving info on his struggles at RG they placed him at and how they moved him to LG and he's performed well. But he's filled in for Armstead who missed 9 games this past season.
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In comment 13367739 Jay on the Island said:

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Robinson was not thought of as the safest. He was very raw and had the highest upside among the top OT's.

This. I always thought it was strange that a guy who would basically need to learn how to pass protect was considered a top 5 pick in a passing league.

He had some good attributes, but his body and lack of physicality was a question. I'm not surprised he has looked more like a mid-round/low-round pick so far.

In comment 13367771 Toth029 said:

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In comment 13367757 est1986 said: Quote: In comment 13367706 Toth029 said: Quote: Got Taylor Lewan and he's a Pro Bowl LT. Same for Jake Matthews with the Falcons. The young kid in New Orleans, Andrus Peat, did really well filling in for Terron Armstead. Peat was in a diff draft from Lewan and Matthews. He's class of '15 like Flowers, I thought we would go Peat over Flowers, Peat has been underwhelming last I heard in N.O. Here's an article posted late in the season giving info on his struggles at RG they placed him at and how they moved him to LG and he's performed well. But he's filled in for Armstead who missed 9 games this past season. Link - ( New Window )

Thanks

He came from an offensive scheme that is INCREDIBLY easy for linemen. Very short drop backs, quick passes. Rarely do those guys have to sustain blocks for more than a couple seconds.

Even the running game is simple because of all the reads QB's make. Robinson was picked on tools alone...an awful way to approach 1st round OL in my opinion

In comment 13367991 Sy'56 said:

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He came from an offensive scheme that is INCREDIBLY easy for linemen. Very short drop backs, quick passes. Rarely do those guys have to sustain blocks for more than a couple seconds. Even the running game is simple because of all the reads QB's make. Robinson was picked on tools alone...an awful way to approach 1st round OL in my opinion

So you'd stay away from Robinson in round 1?

In comment 13368022 jeff57 said:

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In comment 13367991 Sy'56 said: Quote: He came from an offensive scheme that is INCREDIBLY easy for linemen. Very short drop backs, quick passes. Rarely do those guys have to sustain blocks for more than a couple seconds. Even the running game is simple because of all the reads QB's make. Robinson was picked on tools alone...an awful way to approach 1st round OL in my opinion So you'd stay away from Robinson in round 1?

Easy to say now that I would, hindsight being 20/20.

I didn't love him as a tackle coming out...I did think he could be a good guard. But he hasn't been great there either.

Cam Robinson is a similar prospect but you know he can get it done in a pro style blocking scheme. And he has a little more power and awareness to him. I would strongly consider Cam Robinson @23 if he was there to play RG in 2017

Allen Robinson was drafted in 2014, and has been an outstanding player.

In comment 13367735 djm said:

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which kids will adapt to the real world (NFL) and which will not. Same thing with the dude who peaked in high school only to be that guy in his 20s and 30s. You know that guy.

Yeah, he got man-arms in 9th Grade and beat everyone up on the field.
A few years later once everyone else grew, no so much.

As I see it (and I don't study this anywhere near as closely as Sy does, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt), Robinson has the highest ceiling of the three OL most worth considering in round one, but he may also have the lowest floor; which is a surprising thing to say when you compare his pedigree/resume to that of Ramczyk and Bolles.

It's weird, the three OL most deserving of consideration with the 23rd pick are all very different prospects. None of them checks all the boxes, but between the three of them, every box gets checked. So it becomes a matter of which boxes are most important to you.

And if what I just wrote makes no sense, I don't blame you.

p.s.--question for Sy, in what order do you currently rank the three?

In comment 13368088 Milton said:

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As I see it (and I don't study this anywhere near as closely as Sy does, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt), Robinson has the highest ceiling of the three OL most worth considering in round one, but he may also have the lowest floor; which is a surprising thing to say when you compare his pedigree/resume to that of Ramczyk and Bolles. It's weird, the three OL most deserving of consideration with the 23rd pick are all very different prospects. None of them checks all the boxes, but between the three of them, every box gets checked. So it becomes a matter of which boxes are most important to you. And if what I just wrote makes no sense, I don't blame you. p.s.--question for Sy, in what order do you currently rank the three?

I assume you are talking Robinson/Bolles/Ramczyk? Or Lamp?

Currently I have:

Robinson (although I think he is best suited at OG)
Ramczyk (Injury worries me)
Bolles (needs some vital technique work)

In comment 13368099 Sy'56 said:

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Currently I have: Robinson (although I think he is best suited at OG) Ramczyk (Injury worries me) Bolles (needs some vital technique work)

That's how I currently see it as well. Robinson's upside is too big to ignore and I think the comparisons to Flowers are misleading. The news that comes out of the combine on all three could easily effect that ranking because--as I said--they all have very different pluses and minuses, so it won't take much to tip the balance.

That all of the top 15 tackles taken aside from scherff over the last few years that those who busted- flowers and Robinson, were upposed to be freight train run blockers who had suspect pass blocking.

The moral of the story is that you don't draft a tackle in the top of the draft to run block.

In comment 13367991 Sy'56 said:

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He came from an offensive scheme that is INCREDIBLY easy for linemen. Very short drop backs, quick passes. Rarely do those guys have to sustain blocks for more than a couple seconds. Even the running game is simple because of all the reads QB's make. Robinson was picked on tools alone...an awful way to approach 1st round OL in my opinion

Sounds like Flowers.. drafted based on tools.. hasn't worked out either.