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yankeeslover : 2/22/2017 8:59 pm
What a win
That was entertaining!  
Del Shofner : 2/22/2017 9:00 pm : link
.
They needed that  
dpinzow : 2/22/2017 9:02 pm : link
They were going to miss the tournament without that win. Their position is still not secure but it's a lot better than it was 2 hours ago
Cuse almost screwed again  
yankeeslover : 2/22/2017 9:05 pm : link
On that no call foul
looks like March Madness already between the dome in 'Cuse and  
Del Shofner : 2/22/2017 9:05 pm : link
UNC hosting Louisville.
Long day that now feels better  
hitdog42 : 2/22/2017 9:08 pm : link
Huge win
One thing about syracuse's resume  
dpinzow : 2/22/2017 9:09 pm : link
They need Virginia to start winning again. That win is getting devalued on a daily basis as Virginia continues to collapse
Fuck  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 9:09 pm : link
Duke
This is why Syracuse still needs help to get in  
dpinzow : 2/22/2017 9:18 pm : link
They have 2 bad losses and 2 putrid losses

Bad losses: UConn, Georgetown. Normally these aren't bad losses but UConn is mediocre and G'Town is 2nd to last in the Big East...

Putrid losses: St. John's, Boston College. STJ is 12-16; BC is 9-19
If you have..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/22/2017 9:20 pm : link
3 top 10 wins and are above .500 in the ACC - that should be nearly automatic
RE: If you have..  
dpinzow : 2/22/2017 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13368564 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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3 top 10 wins and are above .500 in the ACC - that should be nearly automatic


Virginia was never a top 10 caliber team this year even though they were ranked up there at one point. They were up there on reputation this year after having 2 outstanding years in a row. FSU and Duke are Syracuse's 2 signature wins
RE: If you have..  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13368564 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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3 top 10 wins and are above .500 in the ACC - that should be nearly automatic


Too bad that doesn't work for the big 10.
Not to hijack this thread  
giantsfan44ab : 2/22/2017 9:43 pm : link
-congrats to Cuse fans btw- but since it's ACC, does anyone know why Donovan Mitchell isn't considered a top prospect other than the fact he plays at Louisville. Is it his height?
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/22/2017 9:43 pm : link
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Virginia was never a top 10 caliber team this year even though they were ranked up there at one point. They were up there on reputation this year after having 2 outstanding years in a row. FSU and Duke are Syracuse's 2 signature wins


It isn't like Syracuse beat Virginia in November - they beat them a couple weeks ago. And they were 6th. They beat FSU when they were 6th. They took #4 Louisville to OT and they beat #10 Duke. Not sure any bubble teams have similar resumes.
Great win  
mstyles22.0 : 2/22/2017 10:29 pm : link
I'm a URI fan/grad and we'll probably wind up on the outskirts of the bubble around 21-10.

But I'm also not blind and can easily admit that ACC teams with 14 or 15 losses are more deserving of a bid.
At long last a nice piece of luck for the Orange.  
Phil in Joisey : 2/22/2017 11:00 pm : link
Banking home a 3-pointer at the buzzer? Are you serious?
We'll take it!
Louisville on the road is terribly tough. Georgia Tech at
The Dome should be a "W" and hopefully leads to an NCAA bid.
RE: This is why Syracuse still needs help to get in  
B in ALB : 2/22/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13368561 dpinzow said:
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They have 2 bad losses and 2 putrid losses

Bad losses: UConn, Georgetown. Normally these aren't bad losses but UConn is mediocre and G'Town is 2nd to last in the Big East...

Putrid losses: St. John's, Boston College. STJ is 12-16; BC is 9-19


yer buggin. they beat three top 10 teams. are like 6-7 vs the Top 50. No other bubble team is close to that record.

Keep on hatin...we love it. Cuse is in the house, oh my god, oh my god.
Just get 'em in the Tourney  
B in ALB : 2/22/2017 11:08 pm : link
and ease back.
Awesome win  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 2/23/2017 2:32 am : link
Beat GT at home. Win at least one in Brooklyn = Tourney lock with such a weak bubble.

This Cuse team would be one of those tourney wildcards that could beat or lose to just about anyone.

No matter what happens going forward, tho, hats off to the
team/coaches for the in-season turnaround. They were dead.

Crazy season.
Nice win for 'Cuse.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/23/2017 6:19 am : link
Always fun to see Duke lose.
Just not seeing  
Beezer : 2/23/2017 7:49 am : link
where folks are saying here that 'Cuse is still not a lock for the bracket.

Absolutely, they are.
Great win for Cuse  
Metnut : 2/23/2017 8:15 am : link
Love seeing fans get to react to a shot like that.

I think Cuse has a shot to make it either way but they should either beat Tech at home or win an ACC tourney game to not sweat it out on selection Sunday.
Awesome win  
gmen9892 : 2/23/2017 8:57 am : link
I still think they need to win a game in the ACC Tourney to fully solidify their position, because a loss in the first game there would certainly not be a good look to one of the lesser teams in the ACC.
SU is not in  
RetroJint : 2/23/2017 9:43 am : link
Vitale got swept away in a tide of hyperbole . Nothing new there. If they lose their last 2 regular season games, then their first in the ACC Tournament, they will be at 17-15. The three wins at home against ranked teams balanced by 4 hideous losses. It's weak on the bubble this season. That helps them but I don't think they are close to being a lock.

As for the game I was surprised how weak Duke's defense is on top. Allowing dribble drives starting from the key. Never stopping ball or having help? K's Old School . They don't rough hedge-acknowledged. And their game plan on defense was to stay in White's jock and make Lydon play in a phone booth . But I was still surprised how easily Gillon broke them down. Especially after watching GT stone him.
They are in..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/23/2017 10:19 am : link
there has never been a team to beat three teams in the top ten (in fact, make it the top 15) and not make the tournament.

So I went to the game  
LCtheINTMachine : 2/23/2017 12:06 pm : link
What a night. Amazing when Gillon hit the shot how loud it was. It was more exciting for me than when we beat the Cowboys on Sunday night.

I think we are in now. It's been an incredible season and never thought we'd be sitting here after that St. John's debacle. How about Coach K not calling it a rivalry? What an ass.
Gillon shouldn't have even needed the  
B in ALB : 2/23/2017 12:18 pm : link
last second shot. Allen fouled him on the and-1 the previous possession and no call.
Just for laughs  
LCtheINTMachine : 2/23/2017 12:28 pm : link
Bracketology has us playing No. 7 seed Minnesota with 2 seed Baylor after that. That's a winnable bracket. The 1 seed is UNC and the 3 is Butler.

We could easily win four games in such a bracket or go out in the first game. Pretty exciting!
Obviously  
LCtheINTMachine : 2/23/2017 12:28 pm : link
I'd want to be in the bracket with Gonzaga at No.1.
The only argument for them not getting in (at this point)  
BlackLight : 2/23/2017 1:21 pm : link
is that while no team with three top-ten wins has ever not made it in, no team with three top-ten wins has probably ever had the number of gross losses that SU has this season.

RE: Obviously  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/23/2017 1:23 pm : link
In comment 13369247 LCtheINTMachine said:
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I'd want to be in the bracket with Gonzaga at No.1.


Cuse barely beat the worst Gonzaga team of the past 20 years in last year's tourney.
Zags fans are so cute  
B in ALB : 2/23/2017 1:33 pm : link
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I was switching back and forth  
VTDAD : 2/23/2017 4:27 pm : link
between the Syracuse (I'm an alum) and the UVM games.

Wonder if there will be rematch in the tourney?
I  
blue42 : 2/23/2017 6:16 pm : link
was at the game...the final 4 minutes were as good as it gets.

The crowd was crazy. 33,233........Gillen played really well against big time pressure.
RE: Obviously  
giantsfan44ab : 2/23/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13369247 LCtheINTMachine said:
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I'd want to be in the bracket with Gonzaga at No.1.


I'm usually the first gonzaga hater but they beat Florida and Arizona on the road. Also beat Iowa state. I wouldn't want to face them this year.
RE: Gillon shouldn't have even needed the  
MookGiants : 2/23/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13369223 B in ALB said:
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last second shot. Allen fouled him on the and-1 the previous possession and no call.


As much as I hate Duke and Allen, I think that was a good no call. There was contact but it was initiated by Gillon
RE: RE: Obviously  
BigBlueShock : 2/23/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13369380 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 13369247 LCtheINTMachine said:


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I'd want to be in the bracket with Gonzaga at No.1.



Cuse barely beat the worst Gonzaga team of the past 20 years in last year's tourney.

Hahahahahahaha! So, just last year, they were the worst team they've had in 20 years, but now less than 1 year later they are the undefeated number 1 team in the country? Wow, that's some turn around...
If that were a Duke player  
B in ALB : 2/23/2017 8:11 pm : link
Driving with Gillon defending, that's called a foul 10\10 times.

I'm surprised they got called for the number of fouls they did.
RE: RE: RE: Obviously  
MookGiants : 2/23/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13370001 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13369380 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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In comment 13369247 LCtheINTMachine said:


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I'd want to be in the bracket with Gonzaga at No.1.



Cuse barely beat the worst Gonzaga team of the past 20 years in last year's tourney.


Hahahahahahaha! So, just last year, they were the worst team they've had in 20 years, but now less than 1 year later they are the undefeated number 1 team in the country? Wow, that's some turn around...


They may have had worse teams over the last 20 or so years than last year, but you could certainly make an argument last year was the worst.

5 of their top 6 players this year did not play on the team last year. Karnowski was out with injury, and 4 others either were transfers or are freshman this year.

So I'm not entirely sure what you're laughing at.
Mook  
MetsAreBack : 2/23/2017 8:58 pm : link
Well I'm laughing at the absurdity of the point. They 'barely beat' another team in the tournament. News at 11 cause that never happens in March madness

Wonder if Michigan state would be embarrassed if they barely beat middle Tennessee last year?
Mook  
BigBlueShock : 2/23/2017 9:10 pm : link
I don't remember ANYBODY calling them the worst Gonzaga team in 20 years until after they lost. It's just ridiculous logic to throw dirt on a tournament win when Gonzaga is always in the tournament and a force.

I'm sure all the experts will be telling us all how awful this Gonzaga team was too if they lose in the tourney. Worst team in 25 years. Overrated for sure, right?
It's a silly passive aggressive  
B in ALB : 2/23/2017 10:28 pm : link
comment by a gonzaga "fan" to even bring up a game where your squad got legit beat fuck outta the Tournament - oddly almost a full year later and the bitterness is mud-thick.

Play in a real conference and then you put can pull your tits out.
RE: It's a silly passive aggressive  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/23/2017 11:56 pm : link
In comment 13370167 B in ALB said:
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comment by a gonzaga "fan" to even bring up a game where your squad got legit beat fuck outta the Tournament - oddly almost a full year later and the bitterness is mud-thick.

Play in a real conference and then you put can pull your tits out.


Ummm... the Zags lost by 3 points and had the lead from the 9 minute mark until there was 20 seconds left to go. So why would any Cuse fan hope to see a infinitely better version than last season's team?

They don't play in a "real conference", yet they have as many top 15 RPI wins as anyone in the top 15. And they're number 1 in Pomeroy. They're number 1 in Sagarin. They just moved to 29-0 with 26 double digit wins. And in the 3 games they didn't win by double digits, they had second half leads of 9, 16, and 18 points. And they became the first team since undefeated UNLV squad to win 20 straight games by double digits.

Yes, they must finally handle their business in the tournament. But let's not act like these guys are tin cans waiting to be pushed over by some middle of the road power 5 team.
RE: Mook  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/23/2017 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13370062 BigBlueShock said:
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I don't remember ANYBODY calling them the worst Gonzaga team in 20 years until after they lost. It's just ridiculous logic to throw dirt on a tournament win when Gonzaga is always in the tournament and a force.

I'm sure all the experts will be telling us all how awful this Gonzaga team was too if they lose in the tourney. Worst team in 25 years. Overrated for sure, right?


Normally, they don't have to worry about the automatic bid. Last season, they wouldn't have made it without the automatic bid (and deservedly so). They lost nearly every game they played against a decent opponent, including non-tourney teams. And yet with 3 minutes left in the Sweet 16 game, the Zags had a 5 point lead over Cuse.

Maybe Cuse is better than they were last season. I know that Gonzaga is a LOT better than they were last season. That doesn't mean shit when the game/tourney starts, but to be hoping to be in their bracket this year is just being unaware of how good they've been this season.
Does history really have..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/24/2017 9:32 am : link
to be rehashed to show that the ceiling for most top seeded mid-majors in recent times is the Elite 8?

You are more likely to find a lower seeded mid-major make a run.

Do we have to point to Memphis, St Joe's or even the Zags in 2013?

Take away UNLV's success in the 90's and the only recent top seed mid-major to reach the Final Four was UMass back in 1996 (and that's not really recent).

If you don't think Syracuse fans would rather play Gonzaga than say UNC, Kansas or Kentucky, I don't know what to tell you.
Again  
B in ALB : 2/24/2017 1:36 pm : link
Play in a real conference where you have to bring your best every single game regardless of opponent - especially on the road. Not only will your record take a beating but your players will take a beating as well fighting every night against top competition.

When you're playing no-name teams every night - against significantly lower competition - both physically and in terms of skill - I'm not impressed by an undefeated record. When you're playing teams like Pacific, San Francisco, Portland, Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount - again, not all that impressed.

As for these big wins - you beat Florida by five and Iowa State by two in November and Arizona on December 3rd.

Since then, you couldn't have a more cupcake schedule.

Meanwhile, these middle-of-the road Power 5 teams that you're cheekily referring to are playing and beating Top 10 teams in conference play.

And you guys are beating the San Diego Tereros by 50 points.
BYU  
B in ALB : 2/26/2017 12:30 am : link
Wins.

"#1" team goes down at home to powerhouse BYU.

Holy shit that conference is tough! Just a complete gauntlet.

And the Gonzaga fans chant "NIT" to BYU as they lose. Pathetic.
I just started a thread - will delete  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/26/2017 12:33 am : link
Mika took no prisoners.
the Zags may get a one seed  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/26/2017 12:40 am : link
But they better hope they don't get a team with active bigs or they are in big trouble. A 4-5 seed Purdue, Miami, Wisconsin are live underdogs.
RE: the Zags may get a one seed  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/26/2017 12:59 am : link
In comment 13371582 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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But they better hope they don't get a team with active bigs or they are in big trouble. A 4-5 seed Purdue, Miami, Wisconsin are live underdogs.


Wisconsin literally cannot beat anyone right now. I just saw Purdue need overtime to beat Penn State. Let's not get crazy.

The Zags lost one game, mostly because they missed an inordinate amount of free throws (and they made 1 of their last 13 three point attempts). While I expect the B in Alb's of the world to act like this is 10 losses, it's hardly the end of the world. They lost to BYU at home on senior day 2 years ago when ranked #3. They played in the Elite Eight a few weeks later.
Gonzaga is a good team  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 2/26/2017 1:20 am : link
In a year where there is no truly great team.

But they haven't beaten anyone of note since early December.

This is one of their better teams but I'll be surprised if they make the elite 8.
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