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Jon in NYC : 2/23/2017 6:53 am
According to Berman, the Knicks are asking for Rubio and Bjelica for Rose.

Get it done Phil!
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RE: And remember  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13369792 PaulN said:
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NOBODY is coming here, NOBODY. Not anyone good, only mediocre players who Phil grossly overpays, like he has done since he got here. Have fun, and anyone who is honest knows he lucked into Porzingis, he didn't even want him! He couldn't trade up! LOL! Unreal. anyone who thinks he has done a good job is, I don't want to say. Donnie Walsh, HE, did a good job. That is the only reason anything good has happened here.


Phil didnt want porzingis? is that why his number 1 guy told him he had to draft him no matter what?

and donnie walsh was fucking awful..
Aldridge  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2017 4:11 pm : link
is making it sound like Deron to Cavs is a near lock.
RE: RE: Schmeelk  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/23/2017 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13369658 nygiants16 said:
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Nearly everyone that covers the league thought the Wolves trading Rubio for Rose was idiotic. Yet, the Knicks decline the deal.



anyone who trades an expiring for a longer deal 9 tomes out of ten gets another asset

The Knicks would have been getting an asset - they'd be getting the better player with a lower price tag.
RE: And remember  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13369792 PaulN said:
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NOBODY is coming here, NOBODY. Not anyone good, only mediocre players who Phil grossly overpays, like he has done since he got here. Have fun, and anyone who is honest knows he lucked into Porzingis, he didn't even want him! He couldn't trade up! LOL! Unreal. anyone who thinks he has done a good job is, I don't want to say. Donnie Walsh, HE, did a good job. That is the only reason anything good has happened here.


Phil lucked into kp? do you realize how many gms and media members ripped phil for drafting kp?

how does someone luck into draftimg someone that he got ripped for draftimg..

and my bet is you were one of the people ripping him whem he drafted kp
RE: And remember  
moespree : 2/23/2017 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13369792 PaulN said:
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NOBODY is coming here, NOBODY. Not anyone good, only mediocre players who Phil grossly overpays, like he has done since he got here. Have fun, and anyone who is honest knows he lucked into Porzingis, he didn't even want him! He couldn't trade up! LOL! Unreal. anyone who thinks he has done a good job is, I don't want to say. Donnie Walsh, HE, did a good job. That is the only reason anything good has happened here.


Donnie Walsh? No he didn't do a good job. I don't know what you're on about.
OK  
PaulN : 2/23/2017 4:14 pm : link
I'm wrong, he is not as bad as him. How happy are you now, I admitted I was wrong, although history is not done. he tried to trade up, but don't believe it. he has been just great.
RE: RE: RE: Schmeelk  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13369804 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Nearly everyone that covers the league thought the Wolves trading Rubio for Rose was idiotic. Yet, the Knicks decline the deal.



anyone who trades an expiring for a longer deal 9 tomes out of ten gets another asset


The Knicks would have been getting an asset - they'd be getting the better player with a lower price tag.


a lower price tag? rubio is signed for another 3 years at 13 million a year...
RE: OK  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13369807 PaulN said:
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I'm wrong, he is not as bad as him. How happy are you now, I admitted I was wrong, although history is not done. he tried to trade up, but don't believe it. he has been just great.


you have any proof he tried to trade up? because every news outlet said he tried to trade down..
yes, Isiah at least had a decent eye for college talent  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2017 4:16 pm : link
Layden did absolutely nothing positive. The Ewing trade was an unmitigated disaster that handicapped the team for years. He traded Nene and Camby for Antonio McDyess' wrecked knee and Frank fucking Williams. He traded for two horrific contracts in Eisley and Anderson, sinking the team even further into cap hell. And, of course, he gave Houston that ludicrous contract.

Again - I remain stunned that he got another GM job in the NBA, although it did take him 13 years to get it.
Because  
PaulN : 2/23/2017 4:18 pm : link
he tried to trade up, that is how much he wanted him. He was a fall back, and was advised to take him when he failed to trade up. big victory, Walsh cleared cap space and set the team right after the what Thomas did, imagine if this fool would have followed Thomas? Phil has been horrible and people who are diluting themselves into thinking he is doing well are just that.
Go argue  
PaulN : 2/23/2017 4:19 pm : link
With another fool, you guys are sickening.
RE: Because  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13369816 PaulN said:
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he tried to trade up, that is how much he wanted him. He was a fall back, and was advised to take him when he failed to trade up. big victory, Walsh cleared cap space and set the team right after the what Thomas did, imagine if this fool would have followed Thomas? Phil has been horrible and people who are diluting themselves into thinking he is doing well are just that.


again do you have proof he tried to trade up? i dont remember him trying to trade up..

walsh sold his assets 50 cents on the dollar and then traded 1st round picks to get rid of jared jefferies...

he drafted gallo good and jordan hill with lottery picks..

he aig ed stat to 100 million because he panicked he was not going to sign anyone..

Paul forgot to take his medication again  
Canton : 2/23/2017 4:22 pm : link
.
He  
PaulN : 2/23/2017 4:31 pm : link
Signed Carmelo Anthony to this contract. How was that move?

He hired Fisher as his first coach, how was that move?

He signed Lopez, then traded him for Rose. How was that move, now that they are stuck with Rose.

He traded away JR Smith for nothing. How was that move?

He hired Hornacek. How was that move?

He signed Noah to an outrageous contract. How was that move?

He signed Lee and Jennings, how were those moves?

he devalued his best asset to the point of no return, the guy he signed to start. How was that move?

He was so convinced that Rose was going to be great for the Knicks that he signed Noah to that contract. How was that move?

You need more then this?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Schmeelk  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/23/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13369809 nygiants16 said:
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Nearly everyone that covers the league thought the Wolves trading Rubio for Rose was idiotic. Yet, the Knicks decline the deal.



anyone who trades an expiring for a longer deal 9 tomes out of ten gets another asset


The Knicks would have been getting an asset - they'd be getting the better player with a lower price tag.



a lower price tag? rubio is signed for another 3 years at 13 million a year...

AAV is more important (IMO) than total contract value. For one thing, the Knicks are not cash-poor, so the total contract value isn't a problem. For another, they're going to spend cap room if they have it. And finally, they're going to need a PG anyway. So yes, it's a lower price tag in the way that I'm looking at it.

What do you think Rubio would get on the open market if he were a free agent this offseason? What do you think the Knicks will spend on a FA PG this offseason? And will they get a PG at least as good as Rubio for whatever they spend? Most importantly, this ensures that Rose walks and they will have gotten nothing in return for him. None of the second pieces that were speculated about were significant enough to have been dealbreakers. Ultimately, it seems foolish (again, IMO) that Phil would have been willing to deal Rose for Rubio + Bjelica, but not Rubio straight up.
Rose is a free agent to be  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2017 4:33 pm : link
So it's pretty silly to say they're "stuck with him"
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Schmeelk  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13369837 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Ultimately, it seems foolish (again, IMO) that Phil would have been willing to deal Rose for Rubio + Bjelica, but not Rubio straight up.


What are you going on about? The report was that the Knicks offered Rose one for one for Rubio and it was Minnesota who said no.
Actually  
PaulN : 2/23/2017 4:36 pm : link
I doubled the meds, even though I'm not on any. LOL. Listen, it is sickening what is happening and the only solution is to freeze the Garden out, Phil Jackson knows basketball, but he simply don't give a fuck about what he is doing at all, he took the money and that is it. Where is the press conference to explain why he did what he did today? LOL! He is too good for that and too smart, you accept that, fine, I happen to believe it is a slap in the face to any fan. You are entitled to your opinion and are not the guy fucking over the fan base, so it's time for me to step away, yea, I am passionate. I have never seen folly like this before from an organization that is so beloved by the fans. Sorry if that galls me to death.
RE: Because  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/23/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13369816 PaulN said:
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he tried to trade up, that is how much he wanted him. He was a fall back, and was advised to take him when he failed to trade up. big victory, Walsh cleared cap space and set the team right after the what Thomas did, imagine if this fool would have followed Thomas? Phil has been horrible and people who are diluting themselves into thinking he is doing well are just that.

Diluting?
Phil's name  
PaulN : 2/23/2017 4:40 pm : link
Has produced no big names in free agency when he did have all that cap space, and that will continue now that the garden is viewed so poorly and by the way Phil has treated Carmelo. That alone is enough to fire Phil, you add up all the bad moves and you have the worst organization in basketball.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Schmeelk  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/23/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13369840 Greg from LI said:
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Ultimately, it seems foolish (again, IMO) that Phil would have been willing to deal Rose for Rubio + Bjelica, but not Rubio straight up.



What are you going on about? The report was that the Knicks offered Rose one for one for Rubio and it was Minnesota who said no.

Where was that? Maybe I wasn't following closely enough down to the wire, but most of the day it was that Phil was holding out for a second piece, wasn't it?
Mark  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2017 4:42 pm : link
Stein was the one who reported Wolves turning down 1 for 1.


As the Knicks they will live and die with the upcoming 1st (and upcoming picks). Maybe we can dream Melo opens up his list in the off-season and the Knicks add an asset or 2 in a Melo deal but realistically it's KP/Willy guy we add this year and build upon that.
RE: He  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13369834 PaulN said:
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Signed Carmelo Anthony to this contract. How was that move? IF HE DIDNT SIGN MELO YOU WOULD OF KILLED HIM

He hired Fisher as his first coach, how was that move? ACTUALLY HE HIRED KERR BUT KERR ASKED HIM TO LET HIM GO TO GS AND HE DID

He signed Lopez, then traded him for Rose. How was that move, now that they are stuck with Rose.
HE ALSO GOT A 2ND ROUND PICK IN THAT DEAL AND IT IS LOOKING LIKE A HIGH 2ND

He traded away JR Smith for nothing. How was that move?
JR SMITH WAS CONSIDERED UNTRADEABLE AT THE TIME OF THE TRADE AND HE TRADED HIM BECAUSE KNICKS DECIDED TO TANK

He hired Hornacek. How was that move? STILL TO EARLY TO TLL

He signed Noah to an outrageous contract. How was that move?EVERYONE ALREADY AGREED BAD DEAL

He signed Lee and Jennings, how were those moves?JENNINGS IS AN EXPIRING SO DOESNT HURT ANYTHING, LEE IS A GOOD VET DOESNT REALLY HURT ANYTHING

he devalued his best asset to the point of no return, the guy he signed to start. How was that move?MELO WAS GOING NOWHERE EITHER WAY BECAUSE OF HIS NTC, HIM SAYING BAD STUFF ABOUT MELO DIDNT MAKE THE CLIPPERS LOW BALL THE KNICKS

He was so convinced that Rose was going to be great for the Knicks that he signed Noah to that contract. How was that move?ALREADY SAID NOAH

You need more then this?


RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Schmeelk  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/23/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13369847 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Ultimately, it seems foolish (again, IMO) that Phil would have been willing to deal Rose for Rubio + Bjelica, but not Rubio straight up.



What are you going on about? The report was that the Knicks offered Rose one for one for Rubio and it was Minnesota who said no.


Where was that? Maybe I wasn't following closely enough down to the wire, but most of the day it was that Phil was holding out for a second piece, wasn't it?

Nevermind - I just saw it in the post-deadline flurry. That changes my view, obviously, as I was still under the impression that it was Phil's insistence on a second piece that was that sticking point.
oh and no free agent  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:45 pm : link
is going to leave 60 million on the table, so this whole free agents wont come here is overblown...

Knicks have to build from ground up with the picks they have
So far in my opinion Phil has made 2 huge decisions  
Chris684 : 2/23/2017 4:46 pm : link
and is 1 for 2.

The very bad decision to not only re-sign Carmelo, but giving him the full no trade.

The very good decision to draft a little-known, lanky European player in the NY market which was screaming for Mudiay or Winslow took alot of guts.

As for the rest of that stuff, J.R. Smith s a bum. They are not stuck with Rose. Has anything else really mattered?

My bigger issue with Phil is the obsession with the triangle and Kurt Rambis. I do think Hornacek can coach.
Phil has been underwhelming  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2017 4:49 pm : link
But I'll take that over the disasters that were Layden and Isiah. Faint praise, I know.
i personally think hornacek will be better  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:50 pm : link
when rose and melo are off the team, he has 2 guys that need the ball and like to iso, the 2nd unit i think runs more of what hornacek likes...

that is why i want one of these yoing guards...

if they did go tatum or jackson, i wouldnt mind mason in the 2nd or as an undrafted
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2017 4:52 pm : link
like to go on record and state if Derrick Rose plays "a little better" second half and we give him an extension I will cease following the Knicks until Phil Jackson is gone.
RE: I'd  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13369858 DanMetroMan said:
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like to go on record and state if Derrick Rose plays "a little better" second half and we give him an extension I will cease following the Knicks until Phil Jackson is gone.


this may get me killed but i think if melo was off the team we would not hate rose as much..
RE: RE: I'd  
DanMetroMan : 2/23/2017 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13369859 nygiants16 said:
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like to go on record and state if Derrick Rose plays "a little better" second half and we give him an extension I will cease following the Knicks until Phil Jackson is gone.



this may get me killed but i think if melo was off the team we would not hate rose as much..


That may or may not be so but either Melo is here next year OR you deal Melo and fully are looking to rebuild so it's hard to formulate a scenario where we would find out. You don't deal Melo and retain Rose.
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nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13369860 DanMetroMan said:
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like to go on record and state if Derrick Rose plays "a little better" second half and we give him an extension I will cease following the Knicks until Phil Jackson is gone.



this may get me killed but i think if melo was off the team we would not hate rose as much..



That may or may not be so but either Melo is here next year OR you deal Melo and fully are looking to rebuild so it's hard to formulate a scenario where we would find out. You don't deal Melo and retain Rose.


i agree, my big fear is this team goes on a run and the entire team is brought back
what exactly constitutes "going on a run" for this team?  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2017 5:16 pm : link
Eking out the 8th seed and getting swept in humiliating fashion?
RE: what exactly constitutes  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13369871 Greg from LI said:
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Eking out the 8th seed and getting swept in humiliating fashion?


yes! that is worst case scenario
If they're even allowed to go on a run,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/23/2017 5:32 pm : link
the building and organization should be imploded.
Did Phil address  
Carl in CT : 2/23/2017 5:37 pm : link
The media?
RE: Did Phil address  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 5:41 pm : link
In comment 13369890 Carl in CT said:
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The media?


How can anyone feel bad for Melo -  
GiantsUA : 2/23/2017 5:52 pm : link
He makes a cool quarter mill a game. He will be ok.

Phil has done a poor job, his day is and has been done.

What year do the Knicks win a championship - My guess -

2027 - 10 years from now. There is a 7th grade star somewhere that will deliver a championship to NY in 2027

So nada  
Deej : 2/23/2017 6:07 pm : link
Im mostly happy that we didnt make a bad trade. It is staggeringly common to make bad trades in the NBA. It's just so hard to get to a winning hand. Teams are getting smarter about keeping picks in the last year or so.

I think a lot of the lack of movement was that the best teams had nothing to trade due to legacy deals.

Note that Berman's lede is that we turned down the swap. I suspect both NY and MIN want to claim they turned down the 1 for 1. More plausible from NY IMO.
Well  
Earl the goat : 2/23/2017 6:09 pm : link
At least tonight we can chalk up a loss
Well shit  
giantsfan44ab : 2/23/2017 6:16 pm : link
Embiid is ruled out the next 4 games (we play them twice in that span) and no Noel. Likely wins.

Also play Orlando twice in the next 2 weeks. Good news is that there are 10 road games next month and the 4 Philly/Orlando games are the only guaranteed wins I see.
Noel was a great get  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/23/2017 6:25 pm : link
by the Mavs.
Can't beleieve  
Giantfootball025 : 2/23/2017 6:54 pm : link
we didn't trade a single player for anything to rebuild the future. Same under achievers who can't play D and are zero fun to watch. I just watch here and there, hoping for losses because that is the only way we have a shot at winning a championship.
I wouldn't mind them not making a move  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2017 7:44 pm : link
except that they're not actually bad enough to put them in a money position in the lottery, are they?

If Porzingis gets healthier and starts to play better with Rose, they could actually win some remaining games.
RE: Phil has been underwhelming  
Mason : 2/23/2017 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13369856 Greg from LI said:
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But I'll take that over the disasters that were Layden and Isiah. Faint praise, I know.


Noah's contract will be worst than Curry who actually put up big numbers when he did play. Thomas traded for Randolph and Crawford, two players who went on to be all-stars and Crawford a multiple six man of the year winner. He drafted David Lee with the last pick in the 1st round who received a max contract. Trevor Ariza was a key member on the 2009 Lakers championship team. Fyre won it with Cleveland last year. Only two of the players he drafted did not receive a second contract in the NBA Collins and Balkman. I forgot he also drafted Wilson Chandler in the later part of the draft. The funny thing is that Isiah has drafted better than most Knicks GMs in over 30 years.

Phil also drafted Grant, Early and the Greek's Freak's brother. Two of them are already out of the league and Grant appears to be soon on his way. Layden drafts were just horrendous and Walsh biggest draft piece was Gallo who was scouted by Isiah. Walsh/D'Antonio declared their 2009 lottery pick to be bad rookie after only six months.
Thomas's failures are well known, and so are his plusses  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2017 8:22 pm : link
He has always been credited with a great eye for talent. His run was still pretty disastrous.
RE: Thomas's failures are well known, and so are his plusses  
Mason : 2/23/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13370016 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He has always been credited with a great eye for talent. His run was still pretty disastrous.


That's the point. Since Ernie all Knicks GMs runs have been disastrous. Starting with Tapscott taking Weis over Artest.
Not moving  
Jon in NYC : 2/23/2017 9:43 pm : link
Rose for Rubio was disappointing, only because now we're going to lose Rose for nothing and I thought rubio would have been a better fit.

That said, it wasn't a make or break either way, and I certainly see the rationale in not making the move.

They need to draft a PG, and not spend money stupidly.
I would have liked to have shed Rose  
Matt M. : 2/24/2017 11:17 am : link
But, really Rubio wasn't making the team better short term or long term, so why pull the trigger. I'd rather get a pick back, but freeing up his cap space is equally as important.

I'm still not 100% sure where I stand on Melo. Last year, I was staunchly in favor of building a team with him in mind. Now, his lack of defense is no longer overshadowed as much by his offense, as his scoring is on the decline. So, getting an asset for him would have been welcome. But, I'm still not convinced they can't win with him here.
Winning with him at this point means two things  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/24/2017 3:18 pm : link
He can't be the best player on the team, and he would have to be paid less so they have the flexibility to put a very talented team around him to offset his current defensive ability/want to.

I'm not sure how or if they could get there.
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