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you guys killed Knicks GMs for blinking or being the GM to cave first. Phil isn't caving and you're still killing the Knicks GM.
Wait it out. If we are stuck with Rose so be it. At least he's off the books after the year. Rubio would be interesting but he's on the books for 2 more years. I do want him here though.
If the reports are true and you could have traded Rose for Rubio straight up...then this is a massive fail. Rubio is more valuable and a better fit. Rose is expiring so he's now gone. You have to maximize your assets and Phil is terrible at doing that.
Following this loser organization, please, it is the only way to get what we all want. Phil is a total failure and does not give two fucks about the Knicks, cares too much about himself. Dolan is beyond words and is despicable. Time for fans to do what must be done, stop going, stop following and make them a nothing, then change will come.
Oh well, just keep losing. Knicks schedule eases up a bit in March - hopefully Melo takes his foot off the gas not that he's made the All-Star team and the deadline is over. Too many 30-point games will have us drafting Ivan Rabb in the first round.
Hopefully, they can continue to add losses with their horrific defense.
I was infinitely less worried about the "returns" than I was interested in turning the page to the future and tanking the shit out of the rest of the season.
Following this loser organization, please, it is the only way to get what we all want. Phil is a total failure and does not give two fucks about the Knicks, cares too much about himself. Dolan is beyond words and is despicable. Time for fans to do what must be done, stop going, stop following and make them a nothing, then change will come.
lol and if he traded rose for rubio straight up you would be screaming and yelling he added salary to the payroll...
you guys killed Knicks GMs for blinking or being the GM to cave first. Phil isn't caving and you're still killing the Knicks GM.
Wait it out. If we are stuck with Rose so be it. At least he's off the books after the year. Rubio would be interesting but he's on the books for 2 more years. I do want him here though.
If the reports are true and you could have traded Rose for Rubio straight up...then this is a massive fail. Rubio is more valuable and a better fit. Rose is expiring so he's now gone. You have to maximize your assets and Phil is terrible at doing that.
It's a massive fail? Really? When did Rubio turn into John Stockton? I wanted the guy but he isn't elite or close to it based on numbers. And he's making a lot of money for an additional two years. If the Knicks signed Rubio last offseason for 3 years at close to max people here would have shit sideways and killed Jackson. Now all of a sudden the Knicks are a joke..
And you don't know for sure if the Wolves wanted more than Rose. Save me the twitter rumor horse shit. I want facts.
Following this loser organization, please, it is the only way to get what we all want. Phil is a total failure and does not give two fucks about the Knicks, cares too much about himself. Dolan is beyond words and is despicable. Time for fans to do what must be done, stop going, stop following and make them a nothing, then change will come.
they are god awful and still worth the most money as a franchise
a trude for Rubio, especially straight up, was as dumb as dumb can be. He is not a very good player. He has never been. So trading Rose for a below average player the next 2 years makes no sense.
At least with rose, if you dont want him at the end of the year, he is gone, and his contract is gone. rubio has never made a NBA team good in his career, and wouldnt do so with the Knicks. He has been on the market for over a year now, and no one wants him. That may be true with Rose as well.... but you arent missing on a key piece. Taking on a contract at a position where your looking to improve upon instead of letting a guy walk at the end of the year makes no sense.
but all these rumors...trades...whatever...they all are secondary to what really matters. The Knicks HAVE to nail their next draft pick. They had to nail the KP draft. And they have to nail this next draft. All these trades and little moves mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things. The Knicks will only go as far as these drafts they have lined up, which still includes KP's progress.
It's KP and this draft or bust. Some decent PG who may help a bit isn't going to define the Knicks when they matter again. I can promise you that.
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Again, Knicks had eye on Bjelica, too. If T'Wolves really want Rose, they can get him as free agent this summer. And still trade Rubio.
LOL, the Kings basically screwed up the trading deadline for everyone
Teams demanding 1st round picks. Teams trying to acquire players saying but..but... Pelicans didn't have to give up that much for Boogie why should I give you all that for lesser guys?
RE: look I want a pass first PG and can't stand Rose
but all these rumors...trades...whatever...they all are secondary to what really matters. The Knicks HAVE to nail their next draft pick. They had to nail the KP draft. And they have to nail this next draft. All these trades and little moves mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things. The Knicks will only go as far as these drafts they have lined up, which still includes KP's progress.
It's KP and this draft or bust. Some decent PG who may help a bit isn't going to define the Knicks when they matter again. I can promise you that.
I think Monk is going to drop to the Knicks. he has stagnated lately whetherby fatigue or defenses figuring him out.
If he is drafted by the Knicks, he should be the PG instantly. Take some lumps the first few years.
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Again, Knicks had eye on Bjelica, too. If T'Wolves really want Rose, they can get him as free agent this summer. And still trade Rubio.
Bingo. Rose being a free agent hurt his value instead of increasing it this year.
Come on guys - if this was Isaiah, the Knicks would
have traded 2 future #1 picks for Rubio. It's not like he suddenly would have made them a championship contender. Maybe Minny decided they didn't want Rose after all.
I'm more disappointed we couldn't pick up an extra pick or two for OQuinn or Jennings
RE: look I want a pass first PG and can't stand Rose
but all these rumors...trades...whatever...they all are secondary to what really matters. The Knicks HAVE to nail their next draft pick. They had to nail the KP draft. And they have to nail this next draft. All these trades and little moves mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things. The Knicks will only go as far as these drafts they have lined up, which still includes KP's progress.
It's KP and this draft or bust. Some decent PG who may help a bit isn't going to define the Knicks when they matter again. I can promise you that.
Thats fair enough. Don't really care about Rubio or Rose. I just don't trust this organization enough to not give Rose $20M a year in this offseason. Only real reason I was rooting for the trade.
let rose walk in the summer. Add another crop of young talent in this draft. Coach the shit out of KP, Gomez and the kids and see what happens. Keeping Melo isn't even terrible. He's a good player that can help the team stay somewhat competitive while the kids mature. Melo isn't even hurting the tank cause.
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Again, Knicks had eye on Bjelica, too. If T'Wolves really want Rose, they can get him as free agent this summer. And still trade Rubio.
Bingo. Rose being a free agent hurt his value instead of increasing it this year.
But in the past teams were able to secure picks to not even let a player reach FA so they have the right to extend and lock in a player. Thinking about Wallace and Melo type trades.
RE: Come on guys - if this was Isaiah, the Knicks would
have traded 2 future #1 picks for Rubio. It's not like he suddenly would have made them a championship contender. Maybe Minny decided they didn't want Rose after all.
I'm more disappointed we couldn't pick up an extra pick or two for OQuinn or Jennings
nobody was giving up a first after the pelicans got cousins for free...
look at noel he got traded basically for 2 2nd roudn pickz
I love how all the supporters of Phil point to him not trading future picks. Some baseline. Not exactly the mark of a great GM.
The guy has been a failure and is a joke. Throw that big money at a top proven GM, not a senial old man.
The crazy thing is that the big plus he gets on drafting KP, he basically still tried to trade up to get Russell and Okafor off a season where he predicted they would go the playoffs. He has been pretty horrible.
no way. He's everything the Knicks probably expected him to be, and feared. He hasn't dazzled but he hasn't been a massive disappointment. He's on pace to miss about 25 games or so. Just for good measure the Knicks also didn't really give up anything to get Rose. There's little to no sunk cost. He's done with the Knicks.
I love how all the supporters of Phil point to him not trading future picks. Some baseline. Not exactly the mark of a great GM.
The guy has been a failure and is a joke. Throw that big money at a top proven GM, not a senial old man.
The crazy thing is that the big plus he gets on drafting KP, he basically still tried to trade up to get Russell and Okafor off a season where he predicted they would go the playoffs. He has been pretty horrible.
when did he try to trade up?
and what is wrong with thinking you are going to make the playoffs, melo gets hurt and shifting the ciurse and tanking? isnt that a good thing he had the forsight to change directions?
RE: there's no way the knicks pay rose to stay here long term
no way. He's everything the Knicks probably expected him to be, and feared. He hasn't dazzled but he hasn't been a massive disappointment. He's on pace to miss about 25 games or so. Just for good measure the Knicks also didn't really give up anything to get Rose. There's little to no sunk cost. He's done with the Knicks.
they actually gained an asset with the 2nd round pick
Even if you believe Rose being an expiring somehow hurt his value
fans are going to kill Jackson because he didn't make any moves that fans unrealistically expected. Twitter fucking blows. Just because some "writer" throws shit against the wall and "reports" that teams have shown interest in a Knicks player or the trade is done doesn't make it so. We don't know what Minny wanted for Rubio. For all we know they insited on Rose and a first or second rounder? Would you do that trade?> Fuck no.
Even if it was one for one...you're taking on more salary and minny is getting off scott free. When the Knicks tried to trade that 3 year big contract in year's past did any other team bite or bail us out? Fuck no. Now you're killing the Knicks for being patient?
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that the Knicks are headed nowhere.
how are they headed nowhere?
they have 2 young pieces, their first round pick this year and 2 2nd round picks, cap flexibility..
really wouldnt aay nowhere
Cap flexibility? They have 65 million tied up between Melo/ Noah/ Lee/ Thomas for the next 3 seasons ( 2 for Melo).
In the 2019/2020 season when KP will be in his 5th season and up for a big payday, they have 40 million committed to Lee/ Noah/ Thomas. Those guys are going to be in their mid 30s and most likely not any good. It's poor planning from Phil.
He should have done a full rebuild around KP this past offseason. Instead he made them just good enough to pick outside the top 5.
RE: Even if you believe Rose being an expiring somehow hurt his value
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that the Knicks are headed nowhere.
how are they headed nowhere?
they have 2 young pieces, their first round pick this year and 2 2nd round picks, cap flexibility..
really wouldnt aay nowhere
Cap flexibility? They have 65 million tied up between Melo/ Noah/ Lee/ Thomas for the next 3 seasons ( 2 for Melo).
In the 2019/2020 season when KP will be in his 5th season and up for a big payday, they have 40 million committed to Lee/ Noah/ Thomas. Those guys are going to be in their mid 30s and most likely not any good. It's poor planning from Phil.
He should have done a full rebuild around KP this past offseason. Instead he made them just good enough to pick outside the top 5.
and the cap will be around 110 million..
by 2019 it maybe 130...
they are losing and have young pieces in place with a top pick coming..
go look at what the knicks had 3 years agao compared to now and tell me they are not in a better position..
besides lee noah and melo their oldest player is going to be kuz at 27 and he makes 3 million...
I think there's way too much worry about those contracts you listed. Let's get to 3-4 years from now first before we cry that the Knicks will be hamstrung. PLus, Lee and Melo can be traded from all accounts.
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Wait it out. If we are stuck with Rose so be it. At least he's off the books after the year. Rubio would be interesting but he's on the books for 2 more years. I do want him here though.
If the reports are true and you could have traded Rose for Rubio straight up...then this is a massive fail. Rubio is more valuable and a better fit. Rose is expiring so he's now gone. You have to maximize your assets and Phil is terrible at doing that.
anyone who trades an expiring for a longer deal 9 tomes out of ten gets another asset
I was infinitely less worried about the "returns" than I was interested in turning the page to the future and tanking the shit out of the rest of the season.
Lol Boston tried to get me son..
in 2011????
lol and if he traded rose for rubio straight up you would be screaming and yelling he added salary to the payroll...
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you guys killed Knicks GMs for blinking or being the GM to cave first. Phil isn't caving and you're still killing the Knicks GM.
Wait it out. If we are stuck with Rose so be it. At least he's off the books after the year. Rubio would be interesting but he's on the books for 2 more years. I do want him here though.
If the reports are true and you could have traded Rose for Rubio straight up...then this is a massive fail. Rubio is more valuable and a better fit. Rose is expiring so he's now gone. You have to maximize your assets and Phil is terrible at doing that.
It's a massive fail? Really? When did Rubio turn into John Stockton? I wanted the guy but he isn't elite or close to it based on numbers. And he's making a lot of money for an additional two years. If the Knicks signed Rubio last offseason for 3 years at close to max people here would have shit sideways and killed Jackson. Now all of a sudden the Knicks are a joke..
And you don't know for sure if the Wolves wanted more than Rose. Save me the twitter rumor horse shit. I want facts.
At least with rose, if you dont want him at the end of the year, he is gone, and his contract is gone. rubio has never made a NBA team good in his career, and wouldnt do so with the Knicks. He has been on the market for over a year now, and no one wants him. That may be true with Rose as well.... but you arent missing on a key piece. Taking on a contract at a position where your looking to improve upon instead of letting a guy walk at the end of the year makes no sense.
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It's KP and this draft or bust. Some decent PG who may help a bit isn't going to define the Knicks when they matter again. I can promise you that.
how are they headed nowhere?
they have 2 young pieces, their first round pick this year and 2 2nd round picks, cap flexibility..
really wouldnt aay nowhere
Again, Knicks had eye on Bjelica, too. If T'Wolves really want Rose, they can get him as free agent this summer. And still trade Rubio.
It's KP and this draft or bust. Some decent PG who may help a bit isn't going to define the Knicks when they matter again. I can promise you that.
I think Monk is going to drop to the Knicks. he has stagnated lately whetherby fatigue or defenses figuring him out.
If he is drafted by the Knicks, he should be the PG instantly. Take some lumps the first few years.
So will I to see them get their asses kicked! Let the tanking begin!!
Again, Knicks had eye on Bjelica, too. If T'Wolves really want Rose, they can get him as free agent this summer. And still trade Rubio.
Bingo. Rose being a free agent hurt his value instead of increasing it this year.
I'm more disappointed we couldn't pick up an extra pick or two for OQuinn or Jennings
It's KP and this draft or bust. Some decent PG who may help a bit isn't going to define the Knicks when they matter again. I can promise you that.
Thats fair enough. Don't really care about Rubio or Rose. I just don't trust this organization enough to not give Rose $20M a year in this offseason. Only real reason I was rooting for the trade.
The guy has been a failure and is a joke. Throw that big money at a top proven GM, not a senial old man.
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Again, Knicks had eye on Bjelica, too. If T'Wolves really want Rose, they can get him as free agent this summer. And still trade Rubio.
Bingo. Rose being a free agent hurt his value instead of increasing it this year.
But in the past teams were able to secure picks to not even let a player reach FA so they have the right to extend and lock in a player. Thinking about Wallace and Melo type trades.
I'm more disappointed we couldn't pick up an extra pick or two for OQuinn or Jennings
nobody was giving up a first after the pelicans got cousins for free...
look at noel he got traded basically for 2 2nd roudn pickz
I think I'd prefer the Frenchie PG to Monk and Fox. Love his defensive potential, 7' wingspan.
The guy has been a failure and is a joke. Throw that big money at a top proven GM, not a senial old man.
The crazy thing is that the big plus he gets on drafting KP, he basically still tried to trade up to get Russell and Okafor off a season where he predicted they would go the playoffs. He has been pretty horrible.
The guy has been a failure and is a joke. Throw that big money at a top proven GM, not a senial old man.
besides noah what has he done that hurts the future? if anything he has made the future better
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I love how all the supporters of Phil point to him not trading future picks. Some baseline. Not exactly the mark of a great GM.
The guy has been a failure and is a joke. Throw that big money at a top proven GM, not a senial old man.
The crazy thing is that the big plus he gets on drafting KP, he basically still tried to trade up to get Russell and Okafor off a season where he predicted they would go the playoffs. He has been pretty horrible.
when did he try to trade up?
and what is wrong with thinking you are going to make the playoffs, melo gets hurt and shifting the ciurse and tanking? isnt that a good thing he had the forsight to change directions?
they actually gained an asset with the 2nd round pick
So instead we just let an asset walk out the door for nothing.
Or "cap space" when everyone is in agreement that the team doesn't need to be adding expensive long term deals.
Even if it was one for one...you're taking on more salary and minny is getting off scott free. When the Knicks tried to trade that 3 year big contract in year's past did any other team bite or bail us out? Fuck no. Now you're killing the Knicks for being patient?
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that the Knicks are headed nowhere.
how are they headed nowhere?
they have 2 young pieces, their first round pick this year and 2 2nd round picks, cap flexibility..
really wouldnt aay nowhere
Cap flexibility? They have 65 million tied up between Melo/ Noah/ Lee/ Thomas for the next 3 seasons ( 2 for Melo).
In the 2019/2020 season when KP will be in his 5th season and up for a big payday, they have 40 million committed to Lee/ Noah/ Thomas. Those guys are going to be in their mid 30s and most likely not any good. It's poor planning from Phil.
He should have done a full rebuild around KP this past offseason. Instead he made them just good enough to pick outside the top 5.
So instead we just let an asset walk out the door for nothing.
Or "cap space" when everyone is in agreement that the team doesn't need to be adding expensive long term deals.
how do you know twolves were not asking for more?
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that the Knicks are headed nowhere.
how are they headed nowhere?
they have 2 young pieces, their first round pick this year and 2 2nd round picks, cap flexibility..
really wouldnt aay nowhere
Cap flexibility? They have 65 million tied up between Melo/ Noah/ Lee/ Thomas for the next 3 seasons ( 2 for Melo).
In the 2019/2020 season when KP will be in his 5th season and up for a big payday, they have 40 million committed to Lee/ Noah/ Thomas. Those guys are going to be in their mid 30s and most likely not any good. It's poor planning from Phil.
He should have done a full rebuild around KP this past offseason. Instead he made them just good enough to pick outside the top 5.
and the cap will be around 110 million..
by 2019 it maybe 130...
they are losing and have young pieces in place with a top pick coming..
go look at what the knicks had 3 years agao compared to now and tell me they are not in a better position..
besides lee noah and melo their oldest player is going to be kuz at 27 and he makes 3 million...
hernangomez makes 1 million a year..