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The Giants are expected to try to bring back both defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul and defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins, but there is a chance one or both players could walk in free agency. If so, the surprise availability of Stanford's Solomon Thomas with the No. 23 pick in April's NFL Draft would be a welcomed occurrence. Thomas has been projected as a top-10 pick by many media outlets so far this draft season, but PFF's Steve Palazzolo has him falling away the way down to the Giants, where he would be a fascinating fit in Steve Spagnuolo's 4-3 defense. |
Thomas could play defensive end in a 4-3 or 3-4, and he also could be an undersized, but disruptive, interior tackle. In the Giants' case, he would likely play end, and bump inside on passing downs.
"He can do it all; play the run, rush the passer," a scout told NJ Advance Media's Mark Eckel. "He's going to be really good."
but there is absolutely ZERO chance he makes it to 23
This.
I think tomorrow's article will focus on how/why Myles Garrett will slip to 23.
Someone unexpected will be there for us at 23.
Well, I didn't watch the Sun Bowl live, but I was able to find the entire game online. After watching it, I'm forced to agree. See for yourself.
Draft Breakdown has his highlights, but you can watch the entire game if you want to (linked below).
2016 Sun Bowl - ( New Window )
Dallas is the threat for the next few and we matched up well because of two nose guard types.
D. Prescott hasn't shown that he can beat us without the running game so I think we can generate enough pass rush.
Twice a year, every year means this team has to be designed specifically to beat Dallas and that means stopping - insomuch as we are able - they're run game.
Agreed. It would be truly stunning if he was on the board at #23.
Vernon doesn't have the prototype build of a 4-3 DE. It's definitely height, couple inches shorter than preferred.
Thomas may be that guy but, if he is, he likely won't be there at 23.
Someone unexpected will be there for us at 23.
Or a family member posts a video of him smoking a gasmask bong....Don't forget about Tunsil
I think the people saying he lacks size are penciling him in at DT. Yet I've seen a lot of draft sites say his best position in the NFL will be 4-3 DE. He's listed at 6'3 276 which is undersized for a DT. Great size for a DE. I saw a picture of him the other day and I'd be shocked if his arm length isn't similar to JPP.
Anyone have an opinion about him. He looks like he might be there at 23 and is an interesting talent. The write-ups rave about his skills.
Anyone have an opinion about him. He looks like he might be there at 23 and is an interesting talent. The write-ups rave about his skills.
He is the most intriguing Giant-like prospect I have on my radar. Has the measurables and the skill-set the Giants would love, was a Top 10 pick coming in this year, but had a down year and his stock dropped.
Anyone have an opinion about him. He looks like he might be there at 23 and is an interesting talent. The write-ups rave about his skills.
I watch video on him and was extremely impressed so I started researching him more. The two major knocks on him is that he doesn't play through bumbs and bruises and he is supposedly a very selfish player where he has gotten into verbal arguments with his coaches on numerous occasions.
A CB will "drop"
A S, ER, or DT will "drop"
Or the Giants could have access to an excellent interior OL worth the 23rd pick.
The way analysts talk about the depth at certain areas and the prospects the 23rd pick is going to have some serious talent.
Dallas is the threat for the next few and we matched up well because of two nose guard types.
D. Prescott hasn't shown that he can beat us without the running game so I think we can generate enough pass rush.
Twice a year, every year means this team has to be designed specifically to beat Dallas and that means stopping - insomuch as we are able - they're run game.
So twice a year we beat dallas in close games but when we face redskins or packers or other pass happy teams we can't put pressure on them because our DT's are stonewalled and we get knocked out of first round of playoffs.. Teams like GB, Pats and Atlanta will destroy us on defense as the game goes on and we cannot generate any pressure up the middle..
Who are these "steals" you're talking about?
Really? McDowell is more of a penetrator to me. Almost like an Atkins. McDowell is able to line up at DE and has a burst.
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It turns out to be a bust ..
Who are these "steals" you're talking about?
Amukamara is probably the first guy who comes to my mind. When he wasn't injured, he was an OK CB. Many early mocks that year had him a top 10-15 pick.
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Anyone have an opinion about him. He looks like he might be there at 23 and is an interesting talent. The write-ups rave about his skills.
Probably best as a five-tech in a 3-4.
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It turns out to be a bust ..
Who are these "steals" you're talking about?
The most recent one, you mean? hmmmm Odi..
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It turns out to be a bust ..
Who are these "steals" you're talking about?
Amukamara is probably the first guy who comes to my mind. When he wasn't injured, he was an OK CB. Many early mocks that year had him a top 10-15 pick.
He's the most recent First round "steal" we got.. He wasn't a scrub but he sure as hell wasn't a steal.
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It turns out to be a bust ..
Who are these "steals" you're talking about?
Odi. DaMonster. Were not expected to be there for us in the 3rd round, across the board they were called "great value picks". Rueben Randle was almost the pick instead of David Wilson SOO when we got him in the second.. We've had better luck when we've so called "reached".
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It turns out to be a bust ..
Who are these "steals" you're talking about?
Odi. DaMonster. Were not expected to be there for us in the 3rd round, across the board they were called "great value picks". Rueben Randle was almost the pick instead of David Wilson SOO when we got him in the second.. We've had better luck when we've so called "reached".
I'd say drafting Ahmad Bradshaw in the 7th round was a steal that didn't turn out to be a bust. Hakeem Nicks fell all the way to #29...Mario Manningham fell all the way to the 3rd round. Two more steals that paid big dividends. How about OBJ falling to #12? A minor steal, but a steal nonetheless. Landon Collins falling out of the 1st round, allowing the Giants to trade up in the 2nd to get him? A steal? More like Grand Larceny.
The point is that a blanket statement about steals turning out to be busts is without foundation. Does is happen? Sure. Sometimes you go for "good value" but it doesn't pan out. But other times it does, so I prefer to hang my hat on that.
Great Blue North has him 4th overall.
You don't know if you have a steal on draft day, it's a fallacy to think that way if you are a media member.
You can always look back in hindsight, and say this guy was
a steal or that guy was a steal.
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Dallas is the threat for the next few and we matched up well because of two nose guard types.
D. Prescott hasn't shown that he can beat us without the running game so I think we can generate enough pass rush.
Twice a year, every year means this team has to be designed specifically to beat Dallas and that means stopping - insomuch as we are able - they're run game.
So twice a year we beat dallas in close games but when we face redskins or packers or other pass happy teams we can't put pressure on them because our DT's are stonewalled and we get knocked out of first round of playoffs.. Teams like GB, Pats and Atlanta will destroy us on defense as the game goes on and we cannot generate any pressure up the middle..
Actually,we got plenty of pressure on The Packers in the playoff game. DRC getting hurt is what really killed us.
Landon Collins.
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Landon Collins.
Didn't exactly steal him... We did per say, we got a sliding player but we did give up a 2nd and 4th round pick for him, we didn't STEAL him. We typically take guys that are expected to go later... Odell wasn't expected to go as high as he did, either do Pugh, Flowers, Apple... Prince was proclaimed a steal right away because he was projected top 10 nearly everywhere pre draft..