NFT: NHL Pre-Deadline Discussion

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In comment 13369040 Greg from LI said:

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I hope not. I'd be ok trading a young forward for a long term D solution (e.g. Trouba). Just dont ask me which forward.

Now is the dang time to trade Klein. Do it, Gorts.

Yeah, we're in a tough spot.

I think we really need a top 4 dman to be a contender but I have no interest in shipping out guys like Miller or Hayes.

the next week.

Quite a few of the current Canadiens don't fit the Julien mold (like they didn't fit the Therrien mold), but a new coach gives new freedom to trade a guy.

Galchenyuk is at the top of the list.

Then McCarron, Bealieu, Sergachev, Juulsen, Lehkonen, all young and the kind of player who I'd build around, not trade, but don't really fit the mold of the Julien system (the forwards at least).

I wouldn't mind seeing Desharnais traded. Even guys like Torrey Mitchell or Brian Flynn, who can win a face-off maybe play some PK, or Andrew Shaw.

WTF was Shaw doing on the PP vs the Rangers. That's a potential game losing decision right there.

...of I think the Rangers exceeded pre-season expectations. As the season evolved, expectations have changed and adjusted. I am sure the Islanders fans feel the same way (sellers vs buyers) now that they have a playoff spot.

Obviously the Vegas expansion throws in a unique factor this year. I personally do not feel that the team is a "Kevin Shattenkirk" away - he may move the needle slightly but not enough to trade valuable draft picks. I felt similarly about Eric Staal, last year.

Like arc, I do not want to move any of our young forward depth. However, this is where I may get criticized but I would think about moving Zuccarello for an enticing return and if a team was to throw a crazy offer for Grabner on his great season, I would have to think about it.

If the deadline comes and goes without any moves, that wouldn't be devastating.

In comment 13369040 Greg from LI said:

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With what defensemen are fetching, they really should shop Klein. They could probably get a second rounder for him.

Devs are definitely sellers at this point. Most of their top players are signed long term, so they don't have UFA's but hopefully they can move some vets like Lovejoy or Camm for draft picks.

that the deadline would be more active than usual because of the expansion draft.

Now I'm getting the feeling it's going to be more quiet than usual

the Blues may be willing to take a prospect and a conditional pick for Shattenkirk. Essentially a 2nd rounder that becomes a 1st if you re-sign him. I don't think I could pass that up for the Rangers. I know we haven't had a first rounder in ages, but we've supplemented that well with Hayes and Vesey and finding a 1st round talent like Buch in the 3rd. If we can get Shattenkirk without trading from the current roster I think you have to do that.

Also, if Hainsey got a 2nd round pick then the Rangers should be shopping Klein heavily.

for a guy they're likely to sign in the offseason anyway, and who won't be enough to make them a real contender.

because of expansion. Teams planned to know which players they'd expose before the season, now trades can blow that up.

Additionally,there are only 4 or 5 teams legit eliminated. At most. Teams can't throw in towel when they're 4 wins out of a playoff spot with as many as 25 games left.

But i could be wrong.

is a reason why I would consider trading Grabner. Believe me, under normal circumstances, I would not even consider it . It would hurt to lose him and lessen our chances but if it allows us to protect other players and maybe gaining some picks and prospects might be best long term.

I think getting Shattenkirk makes them a contender if he is played with McDonagh. Replacing one of the worst defenseman in the league with a player of Shattenkirk's caliber will make a huge difference.

I'm indifferent on the first - I think counting on Lundqvist being elite for more than three years is a risky proposition.

= NYR cup contenders, if not favorites.

The Rangers sit a forward every game who could slot in fine and the 4 offensive lines wouldn't miss a beat.

If there are any takers, that is. Flyers want to protect Stolarz from the expansion draft.

In comment 13369126 Greg from LI said:

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for a guy they're likely to sign in the offseason anyway, and who won't be enough to make them a real contender.

Why aren't they a real contender at that point? It's a 108 point team as is (and is not being propped up by elite goaltending like last season). To replace Girardi with Shattenkirk while not having to take away from the forward group is an enormous improvement.

Especially with how well Skjei has been playing.

I think that's at least an average group of D with the addition of Shattenkirk. Is it really much worse than the 15/16 group prior to Yandle's addition?

You're going to be replacing Holden with Shattenkirk, most likely. Having Yandle here sure didn't affect Girardi's ice time much, did it?

My only worry is that AV handles it like the Yandle situation and doesn't give him the minutes he deserved, and Girardi stays on the top pair even with Shattenkirk there.

But it's not a perfect comparison. Yandle is an LHD and he wasn't going to play over McDonagh. Shattenkirk as a RHD slots perfectly into the first pair. Though I don't believe in this strict adherence to handedness on defense, the Rangers staff clearly does.

Greg, we don't know that they wouldn't bump Girardi down. Like I said, it's not a perfect comparison to Yandle because Shattenkirk is a right handed shot.

But even playing Shattenkirk on the 2nd pair and the powerplay, Holden on the 3rd and Klein out of the lineup is a major improvement.

This season, which I agree is over-achievement, I don't think he'd be the one to sit.

I think it would force their hand to trade Klein.

than Shattenkirk.

and is likely a rental, only way I trade for him is if I think he's the missing piece to being a legit cup contender.

I don't see Shattenkirk the difference maker in NY.

Hamilton, Trouba, dream candidate Seth Jones, absolutely.

Shattenkirk, nope.

A prospect and 1st for Shat would be a steal. Can't see it happening. Also if that's the price, we still could move an extra forward for another potential D.

IF the Rangers aren't a serious contender, who is?

There are 6-8 every year that could win the Cup. The Rangers are certainly in the top half of that group.

Washington
Minnesota
Pittsburgh
New York
Chicago
San Jose?
Columbus?
Edmonton?
Anaheim?

In comment 13369231 pjcas18 said:

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than Shattenkirk. and is likely a rental, only way I trade for him is if I think he's the missing piece to being a legit cup contender. I don't see Shattenkirk the difference maker in NY. Hamilton, Trouba, dream candidate Seth Jones, absolutely. Shattenkirk, nope.

Not so sure about Yandle being better then Shat. Very similar players but arguments can be made for both.

In comment 13369171 BrettNYG10 said:

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I'm indifferent on the first - I think counting on Lundqvist being elite for more than three years is a risky proposition.

But then you're assuming that they can't be competitive without Lundqvist.

In comment 13369243 Giants in 07 said:

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IF the Rangers aren't a serious contender, who is? There are 6-8 every year that could win the Cup. The Rangers are certainly in the top half of that group. Washington Minnesota Pittsburgh New York Chicago San Jose? Columbus? Edmonton? Anaheim?

With the Rangers defensive depth and quality I do not consider them "legit" cup contenders.

Can they win? Of course, we all know in the NHL a hot goalie and timely scoring can carry a team, but when handicapping the field I look at the Rangers D as exploitable and likely the fatal flaw for them as a team.

including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available.

Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward.

I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good.

below average. McDonagh's great, Shattenkirk is good....but Staal's still going to be stinking up the ice. Girardi's still going to be making snow angels. Klein likely stays in the lineup. Holden is average at best. Skjei is still erratic in his own end.

In comment 13369250 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13369171 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I'm indifferent on the first - I think counting on Lundqvist being elite for more than three years is a risky proposition. But then you're assuming that they can't be competitive without Lundqvist.

I wouldn't phrase it that way. I don't think they can be competitive if Lundqvist becomes average given what they pay him (and the fact they will have few undermarket assets in three years, in part due to the lack of firsts).

I wouldn't operate under the assumption the Russian is going to be elite day one. I think you go for it when you have an asset like Lundqvist.

In the near term while citing a Lundqvist window is bad business either way.

In comment 13369267 bigbluehoya said:

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In the near term while citing a Lundqvist window is bad business either way.

I don't agree. I think they blew their load too early with the MSL/Yandle trades. I think the time for urgency is the next three years.

that hurt us was Eric Staal and the 2nd rounders. How good would those look right now if we still had them? Staal was useless here and then he signs a decent contract and becomes close to what the Rangers thought they were getting.

saw yesterday that Callahan was declared out for the season, possibly needing hip surgery. 32 years old and is completely breaking down. Only in the 3rd season of a 6 year deal. That trade was worth it, if only to remove the temptation of giving Callahan that contract at the time.

While they do have a nice collection of young players, none of them are quite elite, and there's little coming up behind them. There are maybe 4 truly legit prospects in the system - Shesterkin, Gropp, Day, and Kovacs. Maybe Graves, too, although the write-ups I've seen on him vary wildly.

An undersized guy like that playing a reckless style like that was an excellent bet to age poorly.

by just how young the forward group is. Nash is the elder statesman in his early 30s. Even guys like Stepan and McDonagh on D are only around 26-27

In comment 13369279 Greg from LI said:

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An undersized guy like that playing a reckless style like that was an excellent bet to age poorly.

Good foresight with Callahan, so why didn't they see that with Girardi? Each guy played with that same style.

In comment 13369276 Greg from LI said:

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While they do have a nice collection of young players, none of them are quite elite, and there's little coming up behind them. There are maybe 4 truly legit prospects in the system - Shesterkin, Gropp, Day, and Kovacs. Maybe Graves, too, although the write-ups I've seen on him vary wildly.

That combination of factors makes me really not care about 2021-2024, frankly. I'm fine being bottom five then.

Kyle, I hate that thinking because it acts like management is dumb. They could have traded Callahan for picks.

and I am being somewhat facetious. But I'll stand by that trade. I don't think we go to the final without MSL. Sure we lost, but we took our shot and that team accomplished a whole lot

In comment 13369299 Kyle in NY said:

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and I am being somewhat facetious. But I'll stand by that trade. I don't think we go to the final without MSL. Sure we lost, but we took our shot and that team accomplished a whole lot

I agree we don't get there without MSL. But I also think he was a negative factor in the 2016 playoffs - maybe we beat TB if he didn't drag his line down every game.

but Buch could be elite. Kreider too. Miller could be a better Cally. Hayes could be Brad Richards (least likely of the 4). Mika is a really good player.

If one of the goalies pans out into a stud, then we have a decent chance of an extended window. We won a president's trophy with Hank, a UFA Gabby, and muckers (a 2nd line that was really an elite 3rd line, Richards). We won a playoff round with Hank, a 71 point Jagr and what (see link)?

Im not ready to write off the future. There are interesting permutations.
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In comment 13369283 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 13369279 Greg from LI said: Quote: An undersized guy like that playing a reckless style like that was an excellent bet to age poorly. Good foresight with Callahan, so why didn't they see that with Girardi? Each guy played with that same style.

I think they did. Girardi took less money and nota full term NMC, whereas Cally refused. I think the issue on Girardi is that the wheels fell off immediately, which was unexpected, and also they didnt realize that Strals was carrying Staal, statistically. I'd actually argue that they fell off before the extension kicked in. I thought he was terrible in that playoff run.

prior to him signing his contract, and it was the biggest reason why most of us wanted no part of him long-term. Not a huge guy, plays through a ton of injuries, blocks a ton of shots.....him declining drastically in a short time was not surprising.

Sure, I think there are scenarios for upside post-Lundqvist. Maybe we get two elite goalies from the system, trade one for a great player, etc.

I just think you maximize your chances with what you've got when it's an asset like Lundqvist. I kind of feel the same way about NYG and Eli, and I think Lundqvist is better at his position than Eli is.

I'm willing to rob Peter to pay Paul at this point in time because I think Lundqvist enhances the chances of winning a Cup so significantly. I really wasn't a fan of trading firsts back in 14/15.

We had Sean Avery! Actually look at the Corsi/Fenwick numbers on that team. Pretty good.

I enjoyed those Jagr teams simply because I stared following the team in the late 90s and went through 5-6 seasons before I even saw them make the playoffs. Just to win a round back then was great to me.

Pirri in tonight, Buchnevich back to bench.

Jesus fucking Christ, AV

with Pirri. Not holding my breath

clap clap clapclapclap

...also not holding my breath.

In comment 13369272 Giantfootball025 said:

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that hurt us was Eric Staal and the 2nd rounders. How good would those look right now if we still had them? Staal was useless here and then he signs a decent contract and becomes close to what the Rangers thought they were getting.

Hated that trade at the time, but Eric Staal got hurt within weeks of getting traded here. Shit happens i guess, he wasnt close to 100% for the Pittsburgh series.

But its also just yet another example of why its usually best not to make big deadline deals - its so hard to acclimate guys into AV's system in a period of weeks before the playoffs start. Even Yandle was a breath-taking mistake waiting to happen in our own zone his first postseason here.

The only reason i want to trade forwards for D is to better protect us for the Vegas draft (and also assumes we finally buy out Girardi, otherwise point is moot)... not because i feel it will help our playoff chances all that much. I'd rather not lose Fast, Grabner or Lindberg for nothing this offseason.

In comment 13369258 Kyle in NY said:

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including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available. Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward. I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good.

Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size).

Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO.

I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions.

Can't wait to trade for Shattenkirk and win the Cup and be able to tell both Greg and pj they're idiots.

#lgr

In comment 13369390 BrettNYG10 said:

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Can't wait to trade for Shattenkirk and win the Cup and be able to tell both Greg and pj they're idiots. #lgr

I would welcome that with open arms.

pjcas18 said:

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I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions.

You shouldn't pj - my intent was it to be all inclusive. I thought for sure some of the Brooklyn guys would come in as there is a rumor that the Islanders are looking at Matt Duchene.

That's why I am not ready for the big time to start THE deadline thread. pganut should have the honors.

In comment 13369387 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13369258 Kyle in NY said: Quote: including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available. Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward. I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good. Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size). Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO. I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions.

Nobody is saying you can't have dissenting opinions. You've been strangely sensitive lately. It's going to be mostly Rangers talk considering the crowd here.

To rangers dreams. Every fuckin Year take best player and insert into rangers lineup. Pretend pretend pretend. Then it happens and boom NO CUP. Suck it.

In comment 13369440 Fish said:

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To rangers dreams. Every fuckin Year take best player and insert into rangers lineup. Pretend pretend pretend. Then it happens and boom NO CUP. Suck it.

Fish take bait, they dont give it.

Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet?

You got the playoff spot so you're coming in hot!

Drew. If still in last I would know what hockey was. But now back in the saddle. Can't wait till the Islanders make a huge splash at trade deadline.

Here's a great idea for you.. go fuck yourself.

In comment 13369401 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 13369387 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13369258 Kyle in NY said: Quote: including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available. Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward. I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good. Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size). Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO. I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions. Nobody is saying you can't have dissenting opinions. You've been strangely sensitive lately. It's going to be mostly Rangers talk considering the crowd here.

I'm not sensitive, I wasn't bowing out because I was offended, you guys just know Rangers history better than me and it's just not that interesting to me rehashing the Callahan for MSL trade for the 50th time.

no offense.

I've stated my opinions on the Rangers before, and people agree, disagree, whatever, I don't mind, my opinion is my opinion, no better or worse than anyone else's (well better than some but I won't name any names because I don't want to offend Brett).

Will give up what Colorado allegedly wants for Duchene or Landeskog but either would be a welcomed addition.

In comment 13369462 arcarsenal said:

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Here's a great idea for you.. go fuck yourself.

Arc, it's been awhile. That's all you got? #rustymotherfucker

picas. Fuck those pansies.

In comment 13369463 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13369401 Kyle in NY said: Quote: In comment 13369387 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13369258 Kyle in NY said: Quote: including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available. Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward. I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good. Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size). Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO. I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions. Nobody is saying you can't have dissenting opinions. You've been strangely sensitive lately. It's going to be mostly Rangers talk considering the crowd here. I'm not sensitive, I wasn't bowing out because I was offended, you guys just know Rangers history better than me and it's just not that interesting to me rehashing the Callahan for MSL trade for the 50th time. no offense. I've stated my opinions on the Rangers before, and people agree, disagree, whatever, I don't mind, my opinion is my opinion, no better or worse than anyone else's (well better than some but I won't name any names because I don't want to offend Brett).

Thanks, pj.

In comment 13369488 Fish said:

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In comment 13369462 arcarsenal said: Quote: Here's a great idea for you.. go fuck yourself. Arc, it's been awhile. That's all you got? #rustymotherfucker

You usually hit the ice pretty fast after one clean shot. 1st liners like me don't waste time paying attention to fuckin' career taxi squad 4th liners like you anyway. Go clean a toilet, you fuckin' stain.

I didn't understand your dissenting opinions comment, that's all.

In comment 13369522 Kyle in NY said:

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I didn't understand your dissenting opinions comment, that's all.

Just meant simply that people don't want to discuss trading Hayes. again. LOL.

In comment 13369507 arcarsenal said:

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You usually hit the ice pretty fast after one clean shot. 1st liners like me don't waste time paying attention to fuckin' career taxi squad 4th liners like you anyway. Go clean a toilet, you fuckin' stain.

Damn, arc's all like...

In comment 13369445 Deej said:

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Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet?

Snow gets home from work to find Capuano sitting on the couch in sweatpants and a robe, eating Spaghetti-Os cold from the can and watching re-runs of the last season of American Ninja Warrior

just that we clearly don't agree on whether they should

In comment 13369545 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13369445 Deej said: Quote: Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet? Snow gets home from work to find Capuano sitting on the couch in sweatpants and a robe, eating Spaghetti-Os cold from the can and watching re-runs of the last season of American Ninja Warrior

The worst is when he forgets the sweatpants...

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Not TDL related but I don't feel like starting a thread bigbluehoya : 1:09 pm : link : reply Pirri in tonight, Buchnevich back to bench. Jesus fucking Christ, AV Probably looking for a PP boost Kyle in NY : 1:16 pm : link : reply with Pirri. Not holding my breath

fwiw, I didn't think Buch looked all that sharp vs. Habs, a move and a decision too slow.
Agree re. PP, not too many on the roster who could possibly make it worse than it is right now. But, Clendo at the point (and with a decent shot) moves the puck a whole lot better even if he's not swappable position-wise for B or P.

He's the brightest prospect in the entire organization.

It shouldn't be about dissecting his play on a game to game basis and rewarding/punishing him accordingly with sit/play decisions.

Give him some runway to get comfortable, contribute, and adapt to the NHL.

the kid has missed significant time. It's not crazy to think that giving him a 25 game run of playing time (when the team is firmly in playoff position) could put him in a position to be a bottom 6 weapon and difference make in the playoffs. It's not a guarantee by any stretch, but it's not something I forego to watch Brandon Pirri dick around on the power play.

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In comment 13369545 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13369445 Deej said: Quote: Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet? Snow gets home from work to find Capuano sitting on the couch in sweatpants and a robe, eating Spaghetti-Os cold from the can and watching re-runs of the last season of American Ninja Warrior

You think he still follows that game day routing even now that he isnt coaching?

In comment 13369440 Fish said:

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To rangers dreams. Every fuckin Year take best player and insert into rangers lineup. Pretend pretend pretend. Then it happens and boom NO CUP. Suck it.

Garth Snow is God.

All signs point to his being traded, since apparently STL had a trade worked out with TB that Shattenkirk nixed. From STLToday.com:

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League sources have independently confirmed that the 28-year-old pending unrestricted free agent turned down the offer. The Blues are now believed to be shopping Shattenkirk as a �rental� player, according to those sources, meaning they don�t expect him to sign a long-term deal with another club before the NHL trade deadline Wednesday. An extension elsewhere would allow the Blues to maximize his trade value, whereas being dealt as a rental will not garner the team as much in return. The Post-Dispatch reached Jordan Neumann, Shattenkirk�s agent, Thursday night but he declined comment. Blues general manager Doug Armstrong was unavailable. The swap of Shattenkirk would have been with an Eastern Conference team and believed to be the Tampa Bay Lightning, with whom the Blues have long been speculated to be in trade talks.

Full article below.
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and another to Tampa this year... he's got to be pissing the Blues off by now. He's got the right, but this shit happend to Ottawa when Heatley and Spezza forced a trade but refused several options. It didn't end well for Ottawa. All we really got was a contract off the books.

Are reading is disingenuous. Shattenkirk hasn't turned down any trades, because he has no right to. He simply hasn't accepted a contract extension from the trade suitors.

100% his prerogative. Free agency is a once or twice in a career opportunity, and these guys wait forever for it. For most guys it's 99% about the $, in this case im sure Shatty is driven by $ but also seems to value the destination a bit more than some.

Bummer for the trade suitors, but the Blues would have nothing to bitch about. When you hold a player until he's a rental, you're not entitled to anything more than a rental price on the trade market.

It's a gutter war. No holds barred on bbi.

Shattenkirk comes to the Rangers at all (deadline or FA). I think (hope) that Gorton and the staff is looking at the cap and how the team needs to operate beyond this season.

The teams in this area are at a disadvantage because the cost of living is not factored into a cap number. Hypothetically if Shattenkirk turned down 6 million annually in Florida, he would probably want 7 from NY teams (Devils are also interested).

Personally, Shattenkirk would help but I am not sure how much he moves the needle and does his contract prohibit the Rangers from keeping RFAs or addressing areas of weakness.

There is this "Hank" window that keeps being mentioned. Last year, AV claimed that the Rangers earned "one more kick at the can," at a playoff run. There was kick alright and it wasn't at a can.

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below average. McDonagh's great, Shattenkirk is good....but Staal's still going to be stinking up the ice. Girardi's still going to be making snow angels. Klein likely stays in the lineup. Holden is average at best. Skjei is still erratic in his own end.

I dunno. I had it this way:

McD: Really good, #1A
Shatt: Ditto #1A/2
Staal: Alright, #3
Holden: Good, #4
Skei: Good and improving,#4 maybe even #3
Klein: Bottom pairing, #5
Girardi: #6

He hasn't exactly hid that he wants to play here

isn't even a 1 on his own team. he's behind the marginally good Pietrangelo.

People overestimate Shattenkirk IMO. He's a bigger Tory Krug.

I am praying the Canadiens don't acquire him, so you know that will happen.

I think he's a good #2.

I had surgery and was stuck watching TV the whole time. Had some familiarity with Rangers, but wasn't a real fan. That season turned me, it was a fun one. Hank's rookie year. Memories <3

But a site I've liked for about 15 years is Spector's Trade Rumors (Spector's Trade Rumors). Lyle does a good job of consolidating all news and isn't a loon like Eklund and others like IncarceratedBob, etc. Worth keeping tabs on as we head towards the TD next week.

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I think he's a good #2.

What do you mean by #2? Second pair RD or top pair RD? big difference for me.

I don't want him on my top line and neither do the Blues. He gets 5 min less per game than Pietrangelo.

Tory Krug is a second pair LD, a finesse 2nd pair LD, and I think he's similar to Shattenkirk in every way except height (and the obvious RH/LH).

Yes, Shattenkirk is a top 4 D on most teams, I think the trade assets and contract will be a huge overpay.

I have been a long-time follower of that site as well. To be honest there used to be several sites I used to visit to get my hockey fix. I see better hockey discussion here than I do on others. Spector is my other daily visit.

For you fantasy guys (I posted this awhile ago) - If you have multiple goalies or play in a league where you can play guys you pickup the same day - here is a good starting goalie source.

NHL Starting Goalies

I was able to grab Philipp Grubauer for a shutout win a few weeks back.

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But a site I've liked for about 15 years is Spector's Trade Rumors (Spector's Trade Rumors). Lyle does a good job of consolidating all news and isn't a loon like Eklund and others like IncarceratedBob, etc. Worth keeping tabs on as we head towards the TD next week.

Reading this, I wonder what it would cost to get Boyle. Man do I f'ing hate that guy but he would be perfect. Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer

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In comment 13370449 pganut said: Quote: But a site I've liked for about 15 years is Spector's Trade Rumors (Spector's Trade Rumors). Lyle does a good job of consolidating all news and isn't a loon like Eklund and others like IncarceratedBob, etc. Worth keeping tabs on as we head towards the TD next week. Reading this, I wonder what it would cost to get Boyle. Man do I f'ing hate that guy but he would be perfect. Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer

KWhite - I was listening to a podcast and Tampa Bay is asking for a 1st or a 2nd, but I have to believe they would come down on that.

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Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size.

Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though.

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In comment 13370472 KWhite2250 said: Quote: Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size. Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though.

It seemed the Moore-Boyle-Dorsett line in 2014 was constantly in the offensive zone. The islanders 4th line, last year with Czikas, Martin, and Clutterbuck was a strength. KWhite might be envisioning Boyle on the 4th with CZ and CC?

But Greg is right - he's a big boy but on the softer side. If he could be had for a mid to late rounder - he would be a good add for them.

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In comment 13370472 KWhite2250 said: Quote: Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size. Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though.

Well he was pretty nasty against the Isles in last years playoffs. Thats when I started hating him more than ever. So maybe that was just a one time showing of snarl. Still would love him on my team

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In comment 13370480 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13370472 KWhite2250 said: Quote: Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size. Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though. It seemed the Moore-Boyle-Dorsett line in 2014 was constantly in the offensive zone. The islanders 4th line, last year with Czikas, Martin, and Clutterbuck was a strength. KWhite might be envisioning Boyle on the 4th with CZ and CC? But Greg is right - he's a big boy but on the softer side. If he could be had for a mid to late rounder - he would be a good add for them.

Anywhere on bottom 6 so guys like quine, prince, gionta, kearns arent playing.

But he's really, REALLY bad at it. He might be the worst hockey fighter I've ever seen. You can go on YouTube and find a bunch of clips of him being pummeled.

but man that Anze Kopitar contract is off to an awful start.

I'm not sure how to explain it, but his entire game is off. shooting% is ridiculous, better hope it's a blip or that's the kind of deal that can really hamstring an NHL team.

I don't think he's movable, but I thought he was overpaid when he was signed, if he can't even straighten out his defensive game holy shit that team will be bad.

Chris Nichols‏@NicholsOnHockey
Dreger/#NYR: "It seems like they�re maybe zeroing in on Brendan Smith of the Detroit #RedWings." (Brief, near end)

But he's a left side D, and who does he force to the bench, realistically?

Unless AV is willing to sit Klein/Girardi, it doesn't make sense.

Flipping him to the right side and benching Holden seems unlikely and is also not an upgrade worthy of giving up anything.

Like the player, but confused by what it accomplishes in isolation. Coupled with some other moves, could be an OK step.

a bit redundant. I am not sure how much value is placed on left vs right handed shots but I thought the Rangers would be looking for a righty.

Unless this is a pre-cursor to another move, I don't see why.

5 yrs, $19.25mm. Takes him off the trade market.

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but man that Anze Kopitar contract is off to an awful start. I'm not sure how to explain it, but his entire game is off. shooting% is ridiculous, better hope it's a blip or that's the kind of deal that can really hamstring an NHL team.

Fuck the Kings.


Anyway, latest Cup probabilities. I imagine they take into account ease of divisional playoffs which is why Montreal is still 14:1 to win. Surprised to see NYR and CBJ same as Pittsburgh.

Bruins & Panthers seem like decent odds given they'd have relatively easy first round opponents (maybe each other, and then either home vs WC-1 or at Canadiens which both teams can handle). Islanders far worse odds (and Florida worse) than Tampa Bay doesn't make any sense.

1. Washington Capitals: +550
2.Minnesota Wild: +700
3.Chicago Blackhawks: +750
4.Pittsburgh Penguins: +1000
5.Columbus Blue Jackets: +1000
6.New York Rangers: +1000
7.San Jose Sharks: +1400
8.Montreal Canadiens: +1400
9.Edmonton Oilers: +2000
10.Anaheim Ducks: +2000
11.Los Angeles Kings: +2500
12.Nashville Predators: +2800
13.Toronto Maple Leafs: +2800
14.Ottawa Senators: +2800
15.St. Louis Blues: +3300
16.Boston Bruins: +4000
17.Calgary Flames: +4000
18.Tampa Bay Lightning: +4000
19.Dallas Stars: +5000
20.Florida Panthers: +5000
21.Winnipeg Jets: +5000
22.Philadelphia Flyers: +6600
23.Vancouver Canucks: +6600
24.New York Islanders: +6600
25.Detroit Red Wings: +10000
26.Carolina Hurricanes: +10000
27.Buffalo Sabres: +10000
28.New Jersey Devils: +20000

odds are lower than they should be because so many Canadiens fans bet them to win the cup.

they're one team whose odds reflect the fact the odds makers/casinos don't want to lose their buildings if somehow the Canadiens win a cup.

I haven been trying not to buy into Columbus, but man, they're a solid team. Interested in seeing them in the playoffs.

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..if Detroit is in sell mode, Steve Ott might be a fit that you were looking for when musing about B Boyle. He would cost less and may have the toughness.

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..if Detroit is in sell mode, Steve Ott might be a fit that you were looking for when musing about B Boyle. He would cost less and may have the toughness.

Steve Ott is all sandpaper and not much else. Boyle is a significantly better player IMHO.

One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck.

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Steve Ott is all sandpaper and not much else. Boyle is a significantly better player IMHO.

He's also very good on faceoffs. Just ask him. Plus he knows hockey etiquette
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In comment 13370440 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I think he's a good #2. What do you mean by #2? Second pair RD or top pair RD? big difference for me. I don't want him on my top line and neither do the Blues. He gets 5 min less per game than Pietrangelo. Tory Krug is a second pair LD, a finesse 2nd pair LD, and I think he's similar to Shattenkirk in every way except height (and the obvious RH/LH). Yes, Shattenkirk is a top 4 D on most teams, I think the trade assets and contract will be a huge overpay.

I mean a #2 as a top pairing guy. Meaning, a great fit with McDonagh. I think Trouba can be a #1 caliber guy on a Cup winner, in comparison. Don't think Shattenkirk is that guy.

I think his contract could be a disaster in years 4 and beyond. I think giving up assets could also be a mistake.

I don't think our valuations are as far off as it seems.

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One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck.

Who the hell gets mumps? The only people I've ever heard of having mumps are hockey players.

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In comment 13370945 pganut said: Quote: One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck. Who the hell gets mumps? The only people I've ever heard of having mumps are hockey players.

a lot of foreigners who didn't have MMR vaccine requirements in their home countries.

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In comment 13370998 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13370945 pganut said: Quote: One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck. Who the hell gets mumps? The only people I've ever heard of having mumps are hockey players. a lot of foreigners who didn't have MMR vaccine requirements in their home countries.

Hmm maybe Trump should issue an updated travel ban for our public safety (rolls eyes).

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All signs point to his being traded, since apparently STL had a trade worked out with TB that Shattenkirk nixed. From STLToday.com: Quote: League sources have independently confirmed that the 28-year-old pending unrestricted free agent turned down the offer. The Blues are now believed to be shopping Shattenkirk as a �rental� player, according to those sources, meaning they don�t expect him to sign a long-term deal with another club before the NHL trade deadline Wednesday. An extension elsewhere would allow the Blues to maximize his trade value, whereas being dealt as a rental will not garner the team as much in return. The Post-Dispatch reached Jordan Neumann, Shattenkirk�s agent, Thursday night but he declined comment. Blues general manager Doug Armstrong was unavailable. The swap of Shattenkirk would have been with an Eastern Conference team and believed to be the Tampa Bay Lightning, with whom the Blues have long been speculated to be in trade talks. Full article below. Shattenkirk turns down trade - ( New Window )

Is this going to be one of those NYR specials where the player wants to be traded but will only accept a trade to the NYR and completely handcuffing the GM?

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Is this going to be one of those NYR specials where the player wants to be traded but will only accept a trade to the NYR and completely handcuffing the GM?

Dave - the last time that happened, the Rangers still gave up a lot in draft picks. I think the Callahan negotiations complicated the trade more than it was known. One of those draft picks I think eventually went to the islanders? It might have been Anthony Beauvillier.

Personally, I hope the Rangers resist. Like mentioned, I'm not sure if he moves the needle that much.

Its interesting how people view their own team. As an islanders fan you see an NYR advantage but I think the league and other GMs think the Rangers are an easy team to call when they want to rebuild. I thought the Rangers fate the last 2 years would have been the same without Yandle or Eric Staal.

I don't think Shattenkirk winds up here at the deadline and I think he'll price himself out of the Rangers

Besides we need to save money for Tavares in 2018. IM JOKING GUYS (ducks for cover)

Deals. Callahan could have fetched at least a first himself back in 2014 and the Rangers added two firsts.

Staal was two seconds and a good prospect.

I'd be surprised if some other team doesn't throw at least a first at STL just for the playoffs. I'd rather give a first for Shattenkirk than trade a second for Hainsey if I'm Pittsburgh.

I think Shattenkirk is the best dman on the market and an upgrade.

may be where teams are deploying their scouts. Some tweets have had the Rangers scouting the LA Kings and their AHL affiliate (Reign) for a few weeks now. I cannot see where the Kings and the Rangers match.

As for the Islanders - the Duchene talk has quieted a bit. I was trying to find a source of where they are deploying their scouts.

Most recent Isles scouting representation has been at the Avs as you noted, but also at Tampa, ostensibly to look at Tyler Johnson (although Johnson, Palat and Drouin are all heading to RFA so its plausible they were looking more broadly than Johnson). The Duchene buzz has quieted, but that's because the initial ask is too high, rumored to he a top 6 F, existing D (or top d prospect) and a blue chip prospect. Garth also never shows his cards, so its quite possible talks continue quietly. I've heard Barzal is untouchable so a Pulock would be heavily desired, but if I'm the Isles I call him untouchable also. Especially when you consider Barzal is quite possibly the 2C next season that Duchene would otherwise be.

With the rash of injuries to key Fs in playoff-bound Ottawa, I think that's where Duchene ends up. However, I'm not sure what prospects Ottawa might use to get it done, maybe more a question for Andy.

Bishop may be heading to LA
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He had it here
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I guess quick or bishop will now be Vegas' goalie next yr?

To MN, supposedly a good amount of picks involved.

I misread. Thought he signed 2 yr deal this offseason

ARIZ is receiving a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a conditional pick that can become a second. MIN is all-in.

Wow, that's a huge giveup.

Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal?

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I guess quick or bishop will now be Vegas' goalie next yr?

Bishop is UFA is why I'm guessing Tampa got such minimal return. Don't think he's in the draft since a FA?

Still odd LA trades for him day quick comes back. They must be concerned quick won't reinjure.

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Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal?

Does a realistic return even exist. I'm curious what the islanders give him. Isles guys what are the numbers you're hearing? North of 10 mill/per.

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Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal?

I just finished throwing up in my mouth thinking about Tavares being traded, and then having that gasbag Snow making this deal.

What about Toronto for Matthews?

I'll skip a response on that.

As for contract #s, I have heard $10M/per as the number, but Stamkos taking a below market value deal certainly factors in. The Canadian media has already proclaimed "no one will take a deal like Stamkos again", but I'm not certain since they play their favorites, as you know. JT isn't a "me" guy - which doesn't mean he's naive to his worth and knows this is a business - but I also think he understands the big picture and the need for a team to have financial flexibility. He's a huge part of the franchise, but certainly deserves to be paid. Ledecky has stated loudly, several times, that they will re-sign him and knows it'll come at a deserved cost.

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In comment 13372137 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal? Does a realistic return even exist. I'm curious what the islanders give him. Isles guys what are the numbers you're hearing? North of 10 mill/per.

I don't think Tavares goes over $10 million. He isn't the type to kill the team's cap.

issue (analysts said that was worth ~$0.5MM per year) and he had to take less because of the blood clots issue.

I'd be surprised and disappointed if Tavares took less than $12 a year. The elite players need to move this market higher, and its a sin that the cap hasnt risen in so long even as Dolan has been raising my ticket prices 6% per year for the past 5 years.

Separately - sounds like Brian Boyle to the Leafs is imminent. Surprised Tampa is throwing in the towel it seems on their season.

For the Isles. This core has proven they cant do it but we'll just continue to sit on guys like brock, strome, hickey, de haan as if they are ever going to be anymore than what they are.

At least get rid of seidenberg for a bag of pucks and at least give us pulock.

... as a fir for the 4th line. I am really curious what the return is going to be.

...what would you think about Steve Ott from Detroit?

I throw him out for Miller, Hayes & Skeij and see if NYR bites.

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...what would you think about Steve Ott from Detroit?

I'd pass on that. I wanted a proven playoff guy like Boyle. The only other move is to get another top forward like duchene but knowing garth, we'll get some guy like tyler kennedy for no reason.

And the rumor is that Garth is close with Tavares and the owners now so this guy isnt even worried about losing his job.

there are some rumblings on twitter that Ottawa is close to acquiring Alexandre Burrows.

Brian Boyle for Byron Froese and a 2nd round pick

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/836328322674147328

The #Sens are sending Johnathan Dahlen in return for Burrows.

https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/status/836328405431894017

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https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/836328322674147328 The #Sens are sending Johnathan Dahlen in return for Burrows. https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/status/836328405431894017

Pretty shitty trade for the Senators. Burrows sucks and Dahlen was a second rounder last year whose stock has only improved. He's having a great year over there in Sweden.

Coyotes are allegedly shopping Duclair pretty hard. I read that he's been lazy down in the AHL.

was extended too.

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Yep. 2 yrs, $5M. I do think this was a meh-to-bad trade. Burrows is done, isn't going to be the missing ingredient for OTT, and the cap hit is $ better spent elsewhere, IMO. Also, the flash-in-the-pan Hamburgler tore a hip labrum and is done for the year, 12 weeks of recovery.

Mike Commodore twitter -

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Apologies if this falls through. I would like to think Commodore has some value over the Twitter-fakes.

Net

With Shattenkirk is not bad. At all. Actually everyone saw with their own eyes that the D was blamed a bit much when it was a lot of forward laziness in our end. Now you see all Forwards in support of the d and the passes are quick and crisp. They lost the game but I. Can tell you from my seat the team looked damn good.

Here's a guy who should be traded because they have. Way too many contracts. And have one of the worst contracts in hockey and that's the lightning who have a righty D who has an ok contract
Anton Stralman and his 2 goals and a 2.3 percent shooting percentage. I'd take him if shatt is not attainable but he's clearly likely coming To NY so send him over now when he can help us win. He has turned down contract. Offers from other teams who set up deals.

Shattenkirk, which I don't mind. Let them give up a king's ransom for a rental who will sign here in July.

Can afford to extend Shattenkirk. I think it'll either be the Rangers or Bruins for Shattenkirk in the end.

Sounds more like a last ditch attempt to extract more from NYR, and the Pens and Caps are all to happy to lend heir names to the cause (as they should be)

Jesus Tapdancing Christ

Call their bluff. Those two teams have no room for Shattenkirk.

If Hanzal is worth a first and a second, why isn't Shattenkirk worth more just as a rental? Hainsey cost a second.

If the Rangers can get Shattenkirk for a first, I think you do it. I suspect it'll cost more, though.

is in the negative. They're not getting Shattenkirk.

I don't know the cap well, but pro-rated for 20 games, that's ~$1M. Have STL eat 50% and take back someone else and they can fit, no?

I'd be thrilled if Gorton pulls it off cheaply.

And honestly, I'm leaning toward preferring that they pass. I have no faith that it would put the correct guy on the bench, so I'd rather just keep the picks and take a swing at it in the offseason.

If trading and extending now somehow gets Shat to accept a bit cheaper deal than he would on 7/1, that might change my mind. But I have no realistic expectation that it would.

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I don't know the cap well, but pro-rated for 20 games, that's ~$1M. Have STL eat 50% and take back someone else and they can fit, no? I'd be thrilled if Gorton pulls it off cheaply.

True, but I don't see why St. Louis would pay half when they're in the middle of a playoff race. I mean they would REALLY need to be bowled over not only to trade Shattenkirk but to eat salary also. It's not like the Yandle situation where Arizona weren't making the playoffs AND could eat his contract.

Mike Commodore‏Verified account @commie22
My Source told me that there has been some good dialogue regarding Eberle with the Islanders. #Insider

I thought the Mike Commodore account would have good info. It's verified but it looks like he's messing around.

have the mumps.

Yeah, WTF with it seemingly only happening to hockey players?

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have the mumps. Yeah, WTF with it seemingly only happening to hockey players?

My theory is that it's because Canada doesn't have a nationwide or even consistent vaccine program for MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) like the US does, and add in the other foreigners from Russia, Czech Republic, etc. that more likely than not don't have standard vaccination programs either and it explains why NHL teams are so susceptible to outbreaks - more than other teams. It's like college campuses and meningitis.

But the NHL is unique, 50% Canadian and 50% from "other" countries.

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Mike Commodore‏Verified account @commie22 My Source told me that there has been some good dialogue regarding Eberle with the Islanders. #Insider

So... how would this Eberle fella fit in?

I think there were rumors the Isles were interested in him before

Shattenkirk to Caps is done pending trade call.

Presumably something involving Shattenkirk.

So we'll have to wait until July to see him in blue. No problem.

Purely a rental. He's going elsewhere in July.

But I'm scared that there's too much time left on the clock and a reactionary move could follow.

Hopefully Glen is tied up in the back with no access to a phone and Gorts is in full control.

win for the Habs, game tying goal under a min left, win in OT. They're just not playing well, but need to keep getting points until they do.

albeit in the Capitals jersey,

bbh:
I wouldn't worry too much about a reactionary move. Remember the 2011 and 2012 deadlines, we resisted trading assets for Brad Richards and Kevin Nash. I do think that Shattenkirk might sign an extension with the Caps. He absolutely would fill a need but I am one who believes that we shouldn't have given up a lot of assets. If anything, maybe in the off season we can see if a trade for Trouba or someone a bit cap friendly.

As a fan, it's always exciting to see a new player wear your team's uniform. Look the Caps got better, no doubt. Let's see what the next day and half brings.

Good for Gorton to not give up a shit ton when he can just come here in July

From LeBrun:

Shattenkirk trade has other details but main parts I believe: 1st RD pick in 2017, 2nd RD pick in 2018 and Zach Sanford going to St. Louis

known, I'm not a huge fan, but I'd pay a first (figured to be late 20's at best) if I'm Washington plus a 2nd the next year to keep Shattenkirk off one of my rivals even as a rental.

I think it's a good move for WAS and a good non-move for NYR if that's possible and you understand my reasons.

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From LeBrun: Shattenkirk trade has other details but main parts I believe: 1st RD pick in 2017, 2nd RD pick in 2018 and Zach Sanford going to St. Louis

That's a pretty shitty return

Hope this isn't the game changer they needed...

Renaud Lavoie‏ @renlavoietva
Kevin Shattenkirk will finish his season in Washington. Expect the Rangers to make a push for him on July 1st. #tvasports

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known, I'm not a huge fan, but I'd pay a first (figured to be late 20's at best) if I'm Washington plus a 2nd the next year to keep Shattenkirk off one of my rivals even as a rental. I think it's a good move for WAS and a good non-move for NYR if that's possible and you understand my reasons.

Think it's a good move for WAS. They're my pick to win it this year.

Sugarcoating it all you want it's gotta sting a bit.

Which has rightfully been hung on them (but admittedly my perception is colored even heavier on them because I'm surrounded by prototypical WAS-area fan groupthink). This is a good move for them, even if a rental. They have depth in their system and want to get Ovechkin one and break the 0-for-since-74 streak.

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Sugarcoating it all you want it's gotta sting a bit.

It really doesn't. Not to me at least

In more than one way

I'm ecstatic they didn't give up (yet another) 1st, 2nd and (let's say) Gropp for a fucking rental.

This makes the Caps better, no doubt, but that's just not a price the Rangers should pay and they can improve the team enough with smaller moves to beat the Caps in 7 anyway..

wind up beating the Rangers and Shattenkirk is a difference maker than maybe it will sting, but otherwise no idea why it would bother anyone.

I know I wouldn't be worried about it, plus the deadline hasn't past yet.

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Sugarcoating it all you want it's gotta sting a bit.

Fish honestly it does not. You may recall how sick I was over the Staal deal. Maybe other Rangers fans disagree. The Rangers cannot always trade their assets at the deadline. There is no entitlement or birthright on my part. This was the price of the St. Louis, Yandle, and Staal deals.

Think about it, who had the Rangers with this many wins back in the summer? I think it's smart. We dont have a lot in the pipeline so I am breathing a sigh of relief. Others may disagree.

at the same time though I can't remember the East being tougher. Not sure that spending all those assets on Shattenkirk really would improve the Rangers chances to win the cup enough to make it worthwhile.

I wouldn't mind them selling a player or two (Klein, Holden, Grabner) because prices have been pretty high

Will still lose in 2nd round, watch.

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at the same time though I can't remember the East being tougher. Not sure that spending all those assets on Shattenkirk really would improve the Rangers chances to win the cup enough to make it worthwhile. I wouldn't mind them selling a player or two (Klein, Holden, Grabner) because prices have been pretty high

I agree. If you can get a first for Grabner or a second for Holden I'd do that.

Caps can trade a 2nd Round pick that they don't even have. Only in the NHL

when push comes to shove but I'm not sweating it too much.

See if there are some marginal improvements to make, get in the Atlantic bracket, wait for the Caps to crap out in the 2nd round to Pittsburgh.

In comment 13373253 BocaGiants91 said:

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Will still lose in 2nd round, watch.

Exactly. They always collapse in the playoffs, and this year will be no different.

It won't be because of Shattenkirk, it'll be because of some John Druce fuckhead went to fantasy camp and came out with a bunch of fuckin goals...

We shouldn't be sellers per se, but at the same time, Gorton needs to see what he can get for Grabner, Klein, Holden, among others. Grabner could net more than Hanzal.

...wouldn't they be playing our buddies in Brooklyn?

In comment 13373258 Davisian said:

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It won't be because of Shattenkirk, it'll be because of some John Druce fuckhead went to fantasy camp and came out with a bunch of fuckin goals...

LOL. That's the way the NHL playoffs are. they still hate Scott Walker in Boston, he scored the game 7 OT goal for Carolina in 2009.

Most hockey fans don't know who Scott Walker is. Bruins fans do (and thankfully so do I)

hesitant to trade Grabs. But if we got a young puck moving D and some picks you'd have to consider it.

fan want us to keep giving away picks? One thing we have is great amateur scouting, yet we have routinely traded away high picks for rentals. Seems a stupid strategy to me.

to replenish its lineup with young talent through various means even after trading those picks. And the improvement from Girardi to Shattenkirk on the top pair would be big enough to potentially help the team get through the East. I'd trade a pick in the late 20s for that.

At the same time, I understand why they passed on it and will certainly enjoy presumably having a first rounder again. But that's why I would have been willing to do it.

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ESPN reported the Blues will receive a first-round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft, [b]a conditional second-round pick in 2018[b] and left wing Zach Sanford.

The Capitals currently do not own a 2nd round pick in 2018. They traded that pick in the summer for Lars Eller.

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_team/Washington_Capitals/1

Credit to Twitter / Pat Greissing

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Conditional 2018 I believe is if Caps acquire one it goes to STL since they currently don't have one. Otherwise it's two 2019 picks

https://twitter.com/pgreissing/status/836414580758835204

and have hit on a bunch of later round guys, somewhat unusual in the NHL draft. But you can't count on signing guys who refuse to sign with the team that drafted them. That's not a strategy; it's just a great break.

But considering how we've drafted, even in later rounds, it seems to me to make sense to gather as many picks as we can rather than giving them up for rentals as we've done time and again, w/o a Cup to offset it.

And we don't have a cup but they got us close. Sometimes it's worth the risk. I'd have done it, they didn't. So we move forward. Interested to get a better look at Shattenkirk now in the east.

But I also think of Staal and Clowe as examples of terrible deadline deals.

I think the difference between those deals and now is that Lundqvist is going to be 35 in a few days. How long do we realistically expect him to be elite?

Do the Rangers have a higher probability of the team competing now or with Lundqvist on the decline (if you assume he will) in 2020 or 2021 at his cap hit? Where are the sources of cheap cap hits then when the team already traded the next JT Miller/Brady Skjei's for MSL/Yandle? Hayes, Miller, etc. will be paid by then.

I think the next 3-4 years are the realistic window IMO.

In comment 13373023 Anakim said:

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is in the negative. They're not getting Shattenkirk.

BTW, impressive to be this wrong this quickly.

it was a smart move on their part because 2 of his 3 most valuable landing spots were Pittsburgh and NYR (Boston being the third). Good keepaway strategy.

But what really makes my blood boil is they got him cheaper than what we paid for Eric Staal last year. A vastly inferior player with a limited NMC (or was it full?) that limited his trade partners to NYR, and yet we somehow paid more last year for him than what the best defender on the market went for this year (in a year with so many contenders looking for D help).

But there's still time. One way this helps us is it set the compensation bar low for this trade period. St. Louis really didn't get much.

In comment 13373430 Torrag said:

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But there's still time. One way this helps us is it set the compensation bar low for this trade period. St. Louis really didn't get much.

I'm just surprised the trade market hasnt been more active ahead of the Vegas draft. I guess GMs prefer to make the deals after the season / before the draft.

I'd still rather trade some of our forward depth with Klein for a young 2nd pair RHD that we would then protect in the offseason with McD and I guess Staal (while buying out Girardi)

Pierre LeBrun
✔ �@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Whole list of conditions in the Shattenkirk trade but that conditional 2nd round pick is for 2019, not 2018

11:21 PM - 27 Feb 2017


Pierre LeBrun
✔ �@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Blues get that 2nd RD pick if Caps sign Shattenkirk or if Caps reach conference finals and Shattenkirk plays in at least 50 percent of games

11:22 PM - 27 Feb 2017

Blues should be ashamed.

And Caps purposely chose getting out of their toughest round (Penguins) as precursor to that extra pick

MAB makes a good point above

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But what really makes my blood boil is they got him cheaper than what we paid for Eric Staal last year. A vastly inferior player with a limited NMC (or was it full?) that limited his trade partners to NYR, and yet we somehow paid more last year for him than what the best defender on the market went for this year (in a year with so many contenders looking for D help).

This is a concern for me. This is what caused me to be agitated about the Eric Staal trade. I think the league tries to pry more from the Rangers than other teams. Maybe when you look at your own team, you tend to be critical. It "seems" that teams ask for much more than they do the Rangers.

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I think the league tries to pry more from the Rangers than other teams

--- Bob Gainey

Im reading rangers may try to make a move for Brendan Smith the Dman from the red wings.. also 28yrs old.

Dont know anything about him, any insight?

In comment 13373455 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: I think the league tries to pry more from the Rangers than other teams --- Bob Gainey

hahaha pjcas. I forgot about that one.

In comment 13373463 Diesel_giants said:

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Im reading rangers may try to make a move for Brendan Smith the Dman from the red wings.. also 28yrs old. Dont know anything about him, any insight?

he is a left handed shot and ideally NYR would want a righty. I am not enamored with Smith but he has been linked to the Rangers. I would think there is a corresponding move if Smith is coming to the Range.

Cody Franson?

But isles have called up Ho-Sang on emergency basis. Kind of funny seeing how the isles mouthpiece staple just put out a story on the isles doing nothing at deadline because the injured guys are coming back

In comment 13373469 KWhite2250 said:

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But isles have called up Ho-Sang on emergency basis. Kind of funny seeing how the isles mouthpiece staple just put out a story on the isles doing nothing at deadline because the injured guys are coming back

Might mean that Ladd and/or Chimera injury is worse than they thought and they aren't making the trip. Both had been playing really well lately too.

Silver lining is that I'm excited to see what JHS can do.

...could it be a roster move prior to a trade? Admittedly, I am not sure what constitutes an Emergency basis call up versus a call up. (Is it service time?)

Stephen Gionta would be on L3.

In comment 13373515 Drewcon40 said:

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...could it be a roster move prior to a trade? Admittedly, I am not sure what constitutes an Emergency basis call up versus a call up. (Is it service time?)

Not player service time I don't believe. A game played is a game played.

I think it has to do with waivers and call-ups, something to do with how long the player can remain on the team without having to pass through waivers to get sent back down, depending on their status.

Will probably practice and then be sent down before the game if Ladd plays. Ladd said he would play thurs

Random thought: Fuck the Islanders for not trading for Kessel in 2015.

In comment 13373557 KWhite2250 said:

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Will probably practice and then be sent down before the game if Ladd plays. Ladd said he would play thurs

I had an exchange with Staple and he seems to think Quine is the issue.

Fuck the Islanders period! And all their so called fans. (I.E. Fish) oh I bet it stings a little. He was never NYR property so it doesn't. But it will be a lot of fun around here when Johnny T decides to break away from that loser organization that doesn't even have a place to play. We will all laugh last and the loudest! I said my peace.

Good morning Brett.

...Girardi out for tonight - perhaps longer. Klein practicing.......


I am still happy Gorton held out on Shattenkirk even though our D depth is thin.

Twitter rumor that asking price for Shattenkirk was Buchnevich.

https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/836610693780615168

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@NYRangers Follow More OFFICIAL: #NYR Dan Girardi is expected to be sidelined 10 days to 2 weeks (ankle).

On rangerfan central they asked for Miller, Buch or Hayes or high picks. We decided to pass.

In comment 13373669 Carl in CT said:

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On rangerfan central they asked for Miller, Buch or Hayes or high picks. We decided to pass.

^^^ pjcas - see what I am saying about teams asking more from the Range? I understand these are unconfirmed but sometimes it feels the Rangers are the supermarket for rebuilding teams.

less F-bombs than usual and less violence oozing from his posts. life change? Prozac?

In comment 13373663 BrettNYG10 said:

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Twitter rumor that asking price for Shattenkirk was Buchnevich.

If that's really true, then it's a joke that they then gifted him to the Caps for pennies.

Nah it's only Tuesday. Later in the week the bombs will be flowing.

Any trade we try to make for a D man the asking price just went up. I would have kept it under wraps for 24 more hours.

A lot of stress with my beloved Knicks. It took a while to get over it.

DET/NYR working to finalize trade for Brendan Smith. Not officially done yet but hearing pair of picks, incl 2nd rder, would be included.

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/836623259957407746

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DET/NYR working to finalize trade for Brendan Smith. Not officially done yet but hearing pair of picks, incl 2nd rder, would be included.

Rangers do not own a 2nd rd pick this year but have 2 in 2018.

2nd is conditional upon his resigning. Otherwise this is just a rental.

Anyone have any info on Smith? Can't say I've seen or heard much of him. Seems he's had a pretty unremarkable career to date. Just a depth guy?

playing Skeji on the right side. He did it in the playoffs last year and looked ok. Could be a potential partner for McDonagh

...if there was a follow up move to recapture a pick and/or prospect, I would be more enthusiastic.

lefties now.

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when I caught Wings games but obviously I'm not watching him every game. Analytics seem favorable on him. Seems like a great 3rd pair guy who could get by on the 2nd pair if necessary.

Something has to give on the defense though, wonder if Klein is going.

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Ted Kulfan ‏ @tkulfan Follow More According to TSN....Brendan Smith going to Rangers for pair of 2nd rounders

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they had to give up two 2nd rounders for this guy?

physical at least? He has like no production in his entire career.

...not "2" 2nds.

Hope he's at least really solid in the defensive zone.. he's obviously not a point producer.

Smith's evaluation.

favorite music band is Nickelback.

Pass. Major pass. I don't care if he's Bobby Orr reincarnated (wait he's not dead), pass.

And a career positive possession player. (Possession this year is awful up and down the red wings roster).

I don't like the rumored price, but Smith is immediately a top 3D on this team and it wouldn't surprise me to see him play first pair on the right side given the dire situation on the right.

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What does that graphic say?

can not open the Twitter link at work. what does it say?

NYR are 2nd in the entire league in goals scored.. I'm not sure an offensive defenseman is a bigger need than one who plays well in our end. Seems like the price is a bit steep but I do think it fills what is perhaps the biggest need on the team right now.

but I'd like to see these pairs play out the rest of the season.

McD-Smith
Skjei-Clendo
Staal-Holden

In comment 13373798 The 12th Man said:

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can not open the Twitter link at work. what does it say?

David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod

With at least 3 teams in mix, Halak trade may not occur until tomorrow. But all signs point to him being moved.

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God help us with what those two Snow variations are.

Andy Graziano ‏ @AndyGraz_SNY

Just off phone, can confirm Jimmy/Adrian report - source tells me Snow offered two variations, meeting demands. Avs stalling at the moment

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The Rangers have gone big at each of the past four deadlines, trading three first-rounders, four second-rounders, a world-class sniper (Marian Gaborik), a captain on an expiring contract (Ryan Callahan) and two prospects (Anthony Duclair and Aleksi Saarela) for Derick Brassard, Derek Dorsett, Ryane Clowe, Marty St. Louis, Keith Yandle and Eric Staal. (John Moore came and went in separate transactions.) And even as Gorton seeks help both on defense and up front (Vancouver�s Jannik Hansen, anyone?), a sellers� market in which renting Dallas� Patrick Eaves somehow cost Anaheim a second-rounder that could become a first, portends a low-drama deadline on Broadway.

A 2nd (Ottawa's?) and 3rd, yea or nay? And putting aside all talk of Girardi

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