I did not want to start the actual deadline thread (that is for the veterans here). Anyway - a few smaller deals have occurred and I am sure there is some anxiety from all our hockey fans leading up to Wednesday
Michael Stone was traded to Calgary for picks
Ron Hainsey was traded to Pittsburgh (former Canadien/Ranger prospect Danny Kristo was involved)
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and in a smaller deal (swap of former Ranger defensemen's sons). Keegan Lowe was traded for Philip Samuelsson.
pjcas - a lot of Canadiens alumni/news here.
Hated that trade at the time, but Eric Staal got hurt within weeks of getting traded here. Shit happens i guess, he wasnt close to 100% for the Pittsburgh series.
But its also just yet another example of why its usually best not to make big deadline deals - its so hard to acclimate guys into AV's system in a period of weeks before the playoffs start. Even Yandle was a breath-taking mistake waiting to happen in our own zone his first postseason here.
The only reason i want to trade forwards for D is to better protect us for the Vegas draft (and also assumes we finally buy out Girardi, otherwise point is moot)... not because i feel it will help our playoff chances all that much. I'd rather not lose Fast, Grabner or Lindberg for nothing this offseason.
Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward.
I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good.
Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size).
Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO.
I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions.
#lgr
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I would welcome that with open arms.
You shouldn't pj - my intent was it to be all inclusive. I thought for sure some of the Brooklyn guys would come in as there is a rumor that the Islanders are looking at Matt Duchene.
That's why I am not ready for the big time to start THE deadline thread. pganut should have the honors.
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including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available.
Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward.
I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good.
Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size).
Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO.
I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions.
Nobody is saying you can't have dissenting opinions. You've been strangely sensitive lately. It's going to be mostly Rangers talk considering the crowd here.
Fish take bait, they dont give it.
Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet?
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including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available.
Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward.
I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good.
Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size).
Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO.
I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions.
Nobody is saying you can't have dissenting opinions. You've been strangely sensitive lately. It's going to be mostly Rangers talk considering the crowd here.
I'm not sensitive, I wasn't bowing out because I was offended, you guys just know Rangers history better than me and it's just not that interesting to me rehashing the Callahan for MSL trade for the 50th time.
no offense.
I've stated my opinions on the Rangers before, and people agree, disagree, whatever, I don't mind, my opinion is my opinion, no better or worse than anyone else's (well better than some but I won't name any names because I don't want to offend Brett).
Arc, it's been awhile. That's all you got? #rustymotherfucker
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including surely Hayes or Miller, and I'm not rehashing the Hayes debate right now, pj. Seth Jones isn't available.
Shattenkirk, because the Blues are really backed into a corner here, would cost much less. And if the speculation is true that they're willing to accept conditions on that draft pick depending on whether he re-signs, then that's even better. There are only so many runs with Hank remaining. This team has the forward group and goaltending to win, this could at least move the defense closer to the level needed. Then go re-coup some assets trading Klein and an extra forward.
I like Yandle a lot but you can't make definitive statements like that saying he's surely better than Shattenkirk. Nothing in the numbers suggests that it's clear. It's certainly a debate and both are very good.
Everyone is available. I think Werenski and Jones might be the best defensive pairing in the NHL right now and they're 19 and 22 years old respectively. They can deal a D-man for a power forward (or a forward with power forward size).
Still can't believe NSH traded Jones. I don't dislike Johansen, but guys like Jones are far more valuable than Johansen IMO.
I'll bow out, I thought the thread was going to more of a general NHL pre-deadline discussion, but seems like more a Rangers thread and people not liking dissenting opinions.
Nobody is saying you can't have dissenting opinions. You've been strangely sensitive lately. It's going to be mostly Rangers talk considering the crowd here.
I'm not sensitive, I wasn't bowing out because I was offended, you guys just know Rangers history better than me and it's just not that interesting to me rehashing the Callahan for MSL trade for the 50th time.
no offense.
I've stated my opinions on the Rangers before, and people agree, disagree, whatever, I don't mind, my opinion is my opinion, no better or worse than anyone else's (well better than some but I won't name any names because I don't want to offend Brett).
Thanks, pj.
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Here's a great idea for you.. go fuck yourself.
Arc, it's been awhile. That's all you got? #rustymotherfucker
You usually hit the ice pretty fast after one clean shot. 1st liners like me don't waste time paying attention to fuckin' career taxi squad 4th liners like you anyway. Go clean a toilet, you fuckin' stain.
Just meant simply that people don't want to discuss trading Hayes. again. LOL.
Damn, arc's all like...
Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet?
Snow gets home from work to find Capuano sitting on the couch in sweatpants and a robe, eating Spaghetti-Os cold from the can and watching re-runs of the last season of American Ninja Warrior
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Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet?
Snow gets home from work to find Capuano sitting on the couch in sweatpants and a robe, eating Spaghetti-Os cold from the can and watching re-runs of the last season of American Ninja Warrior
bigbluehoya : 1:09 pm : link : reply
Pirri in tonight, Buchnevich back to bench.
Jesus fucking Christ, AV
Probably looking for a PP boost
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with Pirri. Not holding my breath
Agree re. PP, not too many on the roster who could possibly make it worse than it is right now. But, Clendo at the point (and with a decent shot) moves the puck a whole lot better even if he's not swappable position-wise for B or P.
It shouldn't be about dissecting his play on a game to game basis and rewarding/punishing him accordingly with sit/play decisions.
Give him some runway to get comfortable, contribute, and adapt to the NHL.
the kid has missed significant time. It's not crazy to think that giving him a 25 game run of playing time (when the team is firmly in playoff position) could put him in a position to be a bottom 6 weapon and difference make in the playoffs. It's not a guarantee by any stretch, but it's not something I forego to watch Brandon Pirri dick around on the power play.
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Did Garth make Fred Flinstone move out of the basement yet?
Snow gets home from work to find Capuano sitting on the couch in sweatpants and a robe, eating Spaghetti-Os cold from the can and watching re-runs of the last season of American Ninja Warrior
You think he still follows that game day routing even now that he isnt coaching?
Garth Snow is God.
An extension elsewhere would allow the Blues to maximize his trade value, whereas being dealt as a rental will not garner the team as much in return.
The Post-Dispatch reached Jordan Neumann, Shattenkirk’s agent, Thursday night but he declined comment. Blues general manager Doug Armstrong was unavailable. The swap of Shattenkirk would have been with an Eastern Conference team and believed to be the Tampa Bay Lightning, with whom the Blues have long been speculated to be in trade talks.
Shattenkirk turns down trade - ( New Window )
100% his prerogative. Free agency is a once or twice in a career opportunity, and these guys wait forever for it. For most guys it's 99% about the $, in this case im sure Shatty is driven by $ but also seems to value the destination a bit more than some.
Bummer for the trade suitors, but the Blues would have nothing to bitch about. When you hold a player until he's a rental, you're not entitled to anything more than a rental price on the trade market.
The teams in this area are at a disadvantage because the cost of living is not factored into a cap number. Hypothetically if Shattenkirk turned down 6 million annually in Florida, he would probably want 7 from NY teams (Devils are also interested).
Personally, Shattenkirk would help but I am not sure how much he moves the needle and does his contract prohibit the Rangers from keeping RFAs or addressing areas of weakness.
There is this "Hank" window that keeps being mentioned. Last year, AV claimed that the Rangers earned "one more kick at the can," at a playoff run. There was kick alright and it wasn't at a can.
I dunno. I had it this way:
McD: Really good, #1A
Shatt: Ditto #1A/2
Staal: Alright, #3
Holden: Good, #4
Skei: Good and improving,#4 maybe even #3
Klein: Bottom pairing, #5
Girardi: #6
People overestimate Shattenkirk IMO. He's a bigger Tory Krug.
I am praying the Canadiens don't acquire him, so you know that will happen.
What do you mean by #2? Second pair RD or top pair RD? big difference for me.
I don't want him on my top line and neither do the Blues. He gets 5 min less per game than Pietrangelo.
Tory Krug is a second pair LD, a finesse 2nd pair LD, and I think he's similar to Shattenkirk in every way except height (and the obvious RH/LH).
Yes, Shattenkirk is a top 4 D on most teams, I think the trade assets and contract will be a huge overpay.
For you fantasy guys (I posted this awhile ago) - If you have multiple goalies or play in a league where you can play guys you pickup the same day - here is a good starting goalie source.
NHL Starting Goalies
I was able to grab Philipp Grubauer for a shutout win a few weeks back.
Reading this, I wonder what it would cost to get Boyle. Man do I f'ing hate that guy but he would be perfect. Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer
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But a site I've liked for about 15 years is Spector's Trade Rumors (Spector's Trade Rumors). Lyle does a good job of consolidating all news and isn't a loon like Eklund and others like IncarceratedBob, etc. Worth keeping tabs on as we head towards the TD next week.
Reading this, I wonder what it would cost to get Boyle. Man do I f'ing hate that guy but he would be perfect. Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer
KWhite - I was listening to a podcast and Tampa Bay is asking for a 1st or a 2nd, but I have to believe they would come down on that.
Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size.
Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though.
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Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer
Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size.
Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though.
It seemed the Moore-Boyle-Dorsett line in 2014 was constantly in the offensive zone. The islanders 4th line, last year with Czikas, Martin, and Clutterbuck was a strength. KWhite might be envisioning Boyle on the 4th with CZ and CC?
But Greg is right - he's a big boy but on the softer side. If he could be had for a mid to late rounder - he would be a good add for them.
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Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer
Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size.
Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though.
Well he was pretty nasty against the Isles in last years playoffs. Thats when I started hating him more than ever. So maybe that was just a one time showing of snarl. Still would love him on my team
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Would make our bottom 6 that much better and add some snarl and a playoff performer
Snarl isn't the description that leaps to mind when thinking of Boyle. Some Rangers fans never stopped bitching about him being so soft for a guy his size.
Which was stupid, because the guy is a tremendous defensive center and penalty killer who can pot a few goals too. Nasty, he ain't, though.
It seemed the Moore-Boyle-Dorsett line in 2014 was constantly in the offensive zone. The islanders 4th line, last year with Czikas, Martin, and Clutterbuck was a strength. KWhite might be envisioning Boyle on the 4th with CZ and CC?
But Greg is right - he's a big boy but on the softer side. If he could be had for a mid to late rounder - he would be a good add for them.
Anywhere on bottom 6 so guys like quine, prince, gionta, kearns arent playing.
I'm not sure how to explain it, but his entire game is off. shooting% is ridiculous, better hope it's a blip or that's the kind of deal that can really hamstring an NHL team.
I don't think he's movable, but I thought he was overpaid when he was signed, if he can't even straighten out his defensive game holy shit that team will be bad.