NFT: NHL Pre-Deadline Discussion

Chris Nichols‏@NicholsOnHockey
Dreger/#NYR: "It seems like they�re maybe zeroing in on Brendan Smith of the Detroit #RedWings." (Brief, near end)

But he's a left side D, and who does he force to the bench, realistically?

Unless AV is willing to sit Klein/Girardi, it doesn't make sense.

Flipping him to the right side and benching Holden seems unlikely and is also not an upgrade worthy of giving up anything.

Like the player, but confused by what it accomplishes in isolation. Coupled with some other moves, could be an OK step.

a bit redundant. I am not sure how much value is placed on left vs right handed shots but I thought the Rangers would be looking for a righty.

Unless this is a pre-cursor to another move, I don't see why.

5 yrs, $19.25mm. Takes him off the trade market.

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but man that Anze Kopitar contract is off to an awful start. I'm not sure how to explain it, but his entire game is off. shooting% is ridiculous, better hope it's a blip or that's the kind of deal that can really hamstring an NHL team.

Fuck the Kings.


Anyway, latest Cup probabilities. I imagine they take into account ease of divisional playoffs which is why Montreal is still 14:1 to win. Surprised to see NYR and CBJ same as Pittsburgh.

Bruins & Panthers seem like decent odds given they'd have relatively easy first round opponents (maybe each other, and then either home vs WC-1 or at Canadiens which both teams can handle). Islanders far worse odds (and Florida worse) than Tampa Bay doesn't make any sense.

1. Washington Capitals: +550
2.Minnesota Wild: +700
3.Chicago Blackhawks: +750
4.Pittsburgh Penguins: +1000
5.Columbus Blue Jackets: +1000
6.New York Rangers: +1000
7.San Jose Sharks: +1400
8.Montreal Canadiens: +1400
9.Edmonton Oilers: +2000
10.Anaheim Ducks: +2000
11.Los Angeles Kings: +2500
12.Nashville Predators: +2800
13.Toronto Maple Leafs: +2800
14.Ottawa Senators: +2800
15.St. Louis Blues: +3300
16.Boston Bruins: +4000
17.Calgary Flames: +4000
18.Tampa Bay Lightning: +4000
19.Dallas Stars: +5000
20.Florida Panthers: +5000
21.Winnipeg Jets: +5000
22.Philadelphia Flyers: +6600
23.Vancouver Canucks: +6600
24.New York Islanders: +6600
25.Detroit Red Wings: +10000
26.Carolina Hurricanes: +10000
27.Buffalo Sabres: +10000
28.New Jersey Devils: +20000

odds are lower than they should be because so many Canadiens fans bet them to win the cup.

they're one team whose odds reflect the fact the odds makers/casinos don't want to lose their buildings if somehow the Canadiens win a cup.

I haven been trying not to buy into Columbus, but man, they're a solid team. Interested in seeing them in the playoffs.

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The Ducks have acquired right wing Patrick Eaves from the Dallas Stars in exchange for a conditional 2017 second-round draft pick originally acquired from Toronto in the Frederik Andersen trade.

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The Blackhawks acquire forward Tomas Jurco from the Red Wings in exchange for a 2017 third-round pick!
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On forwards

..if Detroit is in sell mode, Steve Ott might be a fit that you were looking for when musing about B Boyle. He would cost less and may have the toughness.

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..if Detroit is in sell mode, Steve Ott might be a fit that you were looking for when musing about B Boyle. He would cost less and may have the toughness.

Steve Ott is all sandpaper and not much else. Boyle is a significantly better player IMHO.

One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck.

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Steve Ott is all sandpaper and not much else. Boyle is a significantly better player IMHO.

He's also very good on faceoffs. Just ask him. Plus he knows hockey etiquette
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In comment 13370440 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: I think he's a good #2. What do you mean by #2? Second pair RD or top pair RD? big difference for me. I don't want him on my top line and neither do the Blues. He gets 5 min less per game than Pietrangelo. Tory Krug is a second pair LD, a finesse 2nd pair LD, and I think he's similar to Shattenkirk in every way except height (and the obvious RH/LH). Yes, Shattenkirk is a top 4 D on most teams, I think the trade assets and contract will be a huge overpay.

I mean a #2 as a top pairing guy. Meaning, a great fit with McDonagh. I think Trouba can be a #1 caliber guy on a Cup winner, in comparison. Don't think Shattenkirk is that guy.

I think his contract could be a disaster in years 4 and beyond. I think giving up assets could also be a mistake.

I don't think our valuations are as far off as it seems.

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One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck.

Who the hell gets mumps? The only people I've ever heard of having mumps are hockey players.

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In comment 13370945 pganut said: Quote: One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck. Who the hell gets mumps? The only people I've ever heard of having mumps are hockey players.

a lot of foreigners who didn't have MMR vaccine requirements in their home countries.

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In comment 13370998 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13370945 pganut said: Quote: One confirmed player with mumps, 5 others with symptoms consistent with mumps. Yuck. Who the hell gets mumps? The only people I've ever heard of having mumps are hockey players. a lot of foreigners who didn't have MMR vaccine requirements in their home countries.

Hmm maybe Trump should issue an updated travel ban for our public safety (rolls eyes).

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All signs point to his being traded, since apparently STL had a trade worked out with TB that Shattenkirk nixed. From STLToday.com: Quote: League sources have independently confirmed that the 28-year-old pending unrestricted free agent turned down the offer. The Blues are now believed to be shopping Shattenkirk as a �rental� player, according to those sources, meaning they don�t expect him to sign a long-term deal with another club before the NHL trade deadline Wednesday. An extension elsewhere would allow the Blues to maximize his trade value, whereas being dealt as a rental will not garner the team as much in return. The Post-Dispatch reached Jordan Neumann, Shattenkirk�s agent, Thursday night but he declined comment. Blues general manager Doug Armstrong was unavailable. The swap of Shattenkirk would have been with an Eastern Conference team and believed to be the Tampa Bay Lightning, with whom the Blues have long been speculated to be in trade talks. Full article below. Shattenkirk turns down trade - ( New Window )

Is this going to be one of those NYR specials where the player wants to be traded but will only accept a trade to the NYR and completely handcuffing the GM?

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Is this going to be one of those NYR specials where the player wants to be traded but will only accept a trade to the NYR and completely handcuffing the GM?

Dave - the last time that happened, the Rangers still gave up a lot in draft picks. I think the Callahan negotiations complicated the trade more than it was known. One of those draft picks I think eventually went to the islanders? It might have been Anthony Beauvillier.

Personally, I hope the Rangers resist. Like mentioned, I'm not sure if he moves the needle that much.

Its interesting how people view their own team. As an islanders fan you see an NYR advantage but I think the league and other GMs think the Rangers are an easy team to call when they want to rebuild. I thought the Rangers fate the last 2 years would have been the same without Yandle or Eric Staal.

I don't think Shattenkirk winds up here at the deadline and I think he'll price himself out of the Rangers

Besides we need to save money for Tavares in 2018. IM JOKING GUYS (ducks for cover)

Deals. Callahan could have fetched at least a first himself back in 2014 and the Rangers added two firsts.

Staal was two seconds and a good prospect.

I'd be surprised if some other team doesn't throw at least a first at STL just for the playoffs. I'd rather give a first for Shattenkirk than trade a second for Hainsey if I'm Pittsburgh.

I think Shattenkirk is the best dman on the market and an upgrade.

may be where teams are deploying their scouts. Some tweets have had the Rangers scouting the LA Kings and their AHL affiliate (Reign) for a few weeks now. I cannot see where the Kings and the Rangers match.

As for the Islanders - the Duchene talk has quieted a bit. I was trying to find a source of where they are deploying their scouts.

Most recent Isles scouting representation has been at the Avs as you noted, but also at Tampa, ostensibly to look at Tyler Johnson (although Johnson, Palat and Drouin are all heading to RFA so its plausible they were looking more broadly than Johnson). The Duchene buzz has quieted, but that's because the initial ask is too high, rumored to he a top 6 F, existing D (or top d prospect) and a blue chip prospect. Garth also never shows his cards, so its quite possible talks continue quietly. I've heard Barzal is untouchable so a Pulock would be heavily desired, but if I'm the Isles I call him untouchable also. Especially when you consider Barzal is quite possibly the 2C next season that Duchene would otherwise be.

With the rash of injuries to key Fs in playoff-bound Ottawa, I think that's where Duchene ends up. However, I'm not sure what prospects Ottawa might use to get it done, maybe more a question for Andy.

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I guess quick or bishop will now be Vegas' goalie next yr?

To MN, supposedly a good amount of picks involved.

I misread. Thought he signed 2 yr deal this offseason

ARIZ is receiving a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a conditional pick that can become a second. MIN is all-in.

Wow, that's a huge giveup.

Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal?

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I guess quick or bishop will now be Vegas' goalie next yr?

Bishop is UFA is why I'm guessing Tampa got such minimal return. Don't think he's in the draft since a FA?

Still odd LA trades for him day quick comes back. They must be concerned quick won't reinjure.

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Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal?

Does a realistic return even exist. I'm curious what the islanders give him. Isles guys what are the numbers you're hearing? North of 10 mill/per.

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Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal?

I just finished throwing up in my mouth thinking about Tavares being traded, and then having that gasbag Snow making this deal.

What about Toronto for Matthews?

I'll skip a response on that.

As for contract #s, I have heard $10M/per as the number, but Stamkos taking a below market value deal certainly factors in. The Canadian media has already proclaimed "no one will take a deal like Stamkos again", but I'm not certain since they play their favorites, as you know. JT isn't a "me" guy - which doesn't mean he's naive to his worth and knows this is a business - but I also think he understands the big picture and the need for a team to have financial flexibility. He's a huge part of the franchise, but certainly deserves to be paid. Ledecky has stated loudly, several times, that they will re-sign him and knows it'll come at a deserved cost.

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In comment 13372137 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Absurd hypothetical: Tavares says he isn't re-signing next off-season and that they can trade him now if they want. What would he fetch in a deadline deal? Does a realistic return even exist. I'm curious what the islanders give him. Isles guys what are the numbers you're hearing? North of 10 mill/per.

I don't think Tavares goes over $10 million. He isn't the type to kill the team's cap.

issue (analysts said that was worth ~$0.5MM per year) and he had to take less because of the blood clots issue.

I'd be surprised and disappointed if Tavares took less than $12 a year. The elite players need to move this market higher, and its a sin that the cap hasnt risen in so long even as Dolan has been raising my ticket prices 6% per year for the past 5 years.

Separately - sounds like Brian Boyle to the Leafs is imminent. Surprised Tampa is throwing in the towel it seems on their season.

For the Isles. This core has proven they cant do it but we'll just continue to sit on guys like brock, strome, hickey, de haan as if they are ever going to be anymore than what they are.

At least get rid of seidenberg for a bag of pucks and at least give us pulock.

... as a fir for the 4th line. I am really curious what the return is going to be.

...what would you think about Steve Ott from Detroit?

I throw him out for Miller, Hayes & Skeij and see if NYR bites.

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...what would you think about Steve Ott from Detroit?

I'd pass on that. I wanted a proven playoff guy like Boyle. The only other move is to get another top forward like duchene but knowing garth, we'll get some guy like tyler kennedy for no reason.

And the rumor is that Garth is close with Tavares and the owners now so this guy isnt even worried about losing his job.

there are some rumblings on twitter that Ottawa is close to acquiring Alexandre Burrows.

Brian Boyle for Byron Froese and a 2nd round pick

https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/836328322674147328

The #Sens are sending Johnathan Dahlen in return for Burrows.

https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/status/836328405431894017

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https://twitter.com/JSportsnet/status/836328322674147328 The #Sens are sending Johnathan Dahlen in return for Burrows. https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/status/836328405431894017

Pretty shitty trade for the Senators. Burrows sucks and Dahlen was a second rounder last year whose stock has only improved. He's having a great year over there in Sweden.

Coyotes are allegedly shopping Duclair pretty hard. I read that he's been lazy down in the AHL.

was extended too.