NFT: NHL Pre-Deadline Discussion

In comment 13372893 pjcas18 said:

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was extended too.

Yep. 2 yrs, $5M. I do think this was a meh-to-bad trade. Burrows is done, isn't going to be the missing ingredient for OTT, and the cap hit is $ better spent elsewhere, IMO. Also, the flash-in-the-pan Hamburgler tore a hip labrum and is done for the year, 12 weeks of recovery.

Mike Commodore twitter -

https://twitter.com/commie22/status/836334048075116545

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My sources just told me talks are heating up regarding a James #RealDeal Neal for Evander Kane trade. Wow. #Confirmed

Apologies if this falls through. I would like to think Commodore has some value over the Twitter-fakes.

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With Shattenkirk is not bad. At all. Actually everyone saw with their own eyes that the D was blamed a bit much when it was a lot of forward laziness in our end. Now you see all Forwards in support of the d and the passes are quick and crisp. They lost the game but I. Can tell you from my seat the team looked damn good.

Here's a guy who should be traded because they have. Way too many contracts. And have one of the worst contracts in hockey and that's the lightning who have a righty D who has an ok contract
Anton Stralman and his 2 goals and a 2.3 percent shooting percentage. I'd take him if shatt is not attainable but he's clearly likely coming To NY so send him over now when he can help us win. He has turned down contract. Offers from other teams who set up deals.

Shattenkirk, which I don't mind. Let them give up a king's ransom for a rental who will sign here in July.

Can afford to extend Shattenkirk. I think it'll either be the Rangers or Bruins for Shattenkirk in the end.

Sounds more like a last ditch attempt to extract more from NYR, and the Pens and Caps are all to happy to lend heir names to the cause (as they should be)

Jesus Tapdancing Christ

Call their bluff. Those two teams have no room for Shattenkirk.

If Hanzal is worth a first and a second, why isn't Shattenkirk worth more just as a rental? Hainsey cost a second.

If the Rangers can get Shattenkirk for a first, I think you do it. I suspect it'll cost more, though.

is in the negative. They're not getting Shattenkirk.

I don't know the cap well, but pro-rated for 20 games, that's ~$1M. Have STL eat 50% and take back someone else and they can fit, no?

I'd be thrilled if Gorton pulls it off cheaply.

And honestly, I'm leaning toward preferring that they pass. I have no faith that it would put the correct guy on the bench, so I'd rather just keep the picks and take a swing at it in the offseason.

If trading and extending now somehow gets Shat to accept a bit cheaper deal than he would on 7/1, that might change my mind. But I have no realistic expectation that it would.

In comment 13373027 BrettNYG10 said:

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I don't know the cap well, but pro-rated for 20 games, that's ~$1M. Have STL eat 50% and take back someone else and they can fit, no? I'd be thrilled if Gorton pulls it off cheaply.

True, but I don't see why St. Louis would pay half when they're in the middle of a playoff race. I mean they would REALLY need to be bowled over not only to trade Shattenkirk but to eat salary also. It's not like the Yandle situation where Arizona weren't making the playoffs AND could eat his contract.

Mike Commodore‏Verified account @commie22
My Source told me that there has been some good dialogue regarding Eberle with the Islanders. #Insider

I thought the Mike Commodore account would have good info. It's verified but it looks like he's messing around.

have the mumps.

Yeah, WTF with it seemingly only happening to hockey players?

In comment 13373108 MetsAreBack said:

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have the mumps. Yeah, WTF with it seemingly only happening to hockey players?

My theory is that it's because Canada doesn't have a nationwide or even consistent vaccine program for MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella) like the US does, and add in the other foreigners from Russia, Czech Republic, etc. that more likely than not don't have standard vaccination programs either and it explains why NHL teams are so susceptible to outbreaks - more than other teams. It's like college campuses and meningitis.

But the NHL is unique, 50% Canadian and 50% from "other" countries.

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In comment 13373058 Anakim said:

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Mike Commodore‏Verified account @commie22 My Source told me that there has been some good dialogue regarding Eberle with the Islanders. #Insider

So... how would this Eberle fella fit in?

I think there were rumors the Isles were interested in him before

Shattenkirk to Caps is done pending trade call.

Presumably something involving Shattenkirk.

So we'll have to wait until July to see him in blue. No problem.

Purely a rental. He's going elsewhere in July.

But I'm scared that there's too much time left on the clock and a reactionary move could follow.

Hopefully Glen is tied up in the back with no access to a phone and Gorts is in full control.

win for the Habs, game tying goal under a min left, win in OT. They're just not playing well, but need to keep getting points until they do.

albeit in the Capitals jersey,

bbh:
I wouldn't worry too much about a reactionary move. Remember the 2011 and 2012 deadlines, we resisted trading assets for Brad Richards and Kevin Nash. I do think that Shattenkirk might sign an extension with the Caps. He absolutely would fill a need but I am one who believes that we shouldn't have given up a lot of assets. If anything, maybe in the off season we can see if a trade for Trouba or someone a bit cap friendly.

As a fan, it's always exciting to see a new player wear your team's uniform. Look the Caps got better, no doubt. Let's see what the next day and half brings.

Good for Gorton to not give up a shit ton when he can just come here in July

From LeBrun:

Shattenkirk trade has other details but main parts I believe: 1st RD pick in 2017, 2nd RD pick in 2018 and Zach Sanford going to St. Louis

known, I'm not a huge fan, but I'd pay a first (figured to be late 20's at best) if I'm Washington plus a 2nd the next year to keep Shattenkirk off one of my rivals even as a rental.

I think it's a good move for WAS and a good non-move for NYR if that's possible and you understand my reasons.

In comment 13373228 BrettNYG10 said:

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From LeBrun: Shattenkirk trade has other details but main parts I believe: 1st RD pick in 2017, 2nd RD pick in 2018 and Zach Sanford going to St. Louis

That's a pretty shitty return

Hope this isn't the game changer they needed...

Renaud Lavoie‏ @renlavoietva
Kevin Shattenkirk will finish his season in Washington. Expect the Rangers to make a push for him on July 1st. #tvasports

In comment 13373232 pjcas18 said:

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known, I'm not a huge fan, but I'd pay a first (figured to be late 20's at best) if I'm Washington plus a 2nd the next year to keep Shattenkirk off one of my rivals even as a rental. I think it's a good move for WAS and a good non-move for NYR if that's possible and you understand my reasons.

Think it's a good move for WAS. They're my pick to win it this year.

Sugarcoating it all you want it's gotta sting a bit.

Which has rightfully been hung on them (but admittedly my perception is colored even heavier on them because I'm surrounded by prototypical WAS-area fan groupthink). This is a good move for them, even if a rental. They have depth in their system and want to get Ovechkin one and break the 0-for-since-74 streak.

In comment 13373241 Fish said:

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Sugarcoating it all you want it's gotta sting a bit.

It really doesn't. Not to me at least

In more than one way

I'm ecstatic they didn't give up (yet another) 1st, 2nd and (let's say) Gropp for a fucking rental.

This makes the Caps better, no doubt, but that's just not a price the Rangers should pay and they can improve the team enough with smaller moves to beat the Caps in 7 anyway..

wind up beating the Rangers and Shattenkirk is a difference maker than maybe it will sting, but otherwise no idea why it would bother anyone.

I know I wouldn't be worried about it, plus the deadline hasn't past yet.

In comment 13373241 Fish said:

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Sugarcoating it all you want it's gotta sting a bit.

Fish honestly it does not. You may recall how sick I was over the Staal deal. Maybe other Rangers fans disagree. The Rangers cannot always trade their assets at the deadline. There is no entitlement or birthright on my part. This was the price of the St. Louis, Yandle, and Staal deals.

Think about it, who had the Rangers with this many wins back in the summer? I think it's smart. We dont have a lot in the pipeline so I am breathing a sigh of relief. Others may disagree.

at the same time though I can't remember the East being tougher. Not sure that spending all those assets on Shattenkirk really would improve the Rangers chances to win the cup enough to make it worthwhile.

I wouldn't mind them selling a player or two (Klein, Holden, Grabner) because prices have been pretty high

Will still lose in 2nd round, watch.

In comment 13373251 jv said:

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at the same time though I can't remember the East being tougher. Not sure that spending all those assets on Shattenkirk really would improve the Rangers chances to win the cup enough to make it worthwhile. I wouldn't mind them selling a player or two (Klein, Holden, Grabner) because prices have been pretty high

I agree. If you can get a first for Grabner or a second for Holden I'd do that.

Caps can trade a 2nd Round pick that they don't even have. Only in the NHL

when push comes to shove but I'm not sweating it too much.

See if there are some marginal improvements to make, get in the Atlantic bracket, wait for the Caps to crap out in the 2nd round to Pittsburgh.

In comment 13373253 BocaGiants91 said:

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Will still lose in 2nd round, watch.

Exactly. They always collapse in the playoffs, and this year will be no different.

It won't be because of Shattenkirk, it'll be because of some John Druce fuckhead went to fantasy camp and came out with a bunch of fuckin goals...

We shouldn't be sellers per se, but at the same time, Gorton needs to see what he can get for Grabner, Klein, Holden, among others. Grabner could net more than Hanzal.

...wouldn't they be playing our buddies in Brooklyn?