NFT: NHL Pre-Deadline Discussion

In comment 13373258 Davisian said:

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It won't be because of Shattenkirk, it'll be because of some John Druce fuckhead went to fantasy camp and came out with a bunch of fuckin goals...

LOL. That's the way the NHL playoffs are. they still hate Scott Walker in Boston, he scored the game 7 OT goal for Carolina in 2009.

Most hockey fans don't know who Scott Walker is. Bruins fans do (and thankfully so do I)

hesitant to trade Grabs. But if we got a young puck moving D and some picks you'd have to consider it.

fan want us to keep giving away picks? One thing we have is great amateur scouting, yet we have routinely traded away high picks for rentals. Seems a stupid strategy to me.

to replenish its lineup with young talent through various means even after trading those picks. And the improvement from Girardi to Shattenkirk on the top pair would be big enough to potentially help the team get through the East. I'd trade a pick in the late 20s for that.

At the same time, I understand why they passed on it and will certainly enjoy presumably having a first rounder again. But that's why I would have been willing to do it.

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ESPN reported the Blues will receive a first-round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft, [b]a conditional second-round pick in 2018[b] and left wing Zach Sanford.

The Capitals currently do not own a 2nd round pick in 2018. They traded that pick in the summer for Lars Eller.

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_team/Washington_Capitals/1

Credit to Twitter / Pat Greissing

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Conditional 2018 I believe is if Caps acquire one it goes to STL since they currently don't have one. Otherwise it's two 2019 picks

https://twitter.com/pgreissing/status/836414580758835204

and have hit on a bunch of later round guys, somewhat unusual in the NHL draft. But you can't count on signing guys who refuse to sign with the team that drafted them. That's not a strategy; it's just a great break.

But considering how we've drafted, even in later rounds, it seems to me to make sense to gather as many picks as we can rather than giving them up for rentals as we've done time and again, w/o a Cup to offset it.

And we don't have a cup but they got us close. Sometimes it's worth the risk. I'd have done it, they didn't. So we move forward. Interested to get a better look at Shattenkirk now in the east.

But I also think of Staal and Clowe as examples of terrible deadline deals.

I think the difference between those deals and now is that Lundqvist is going to be 35 in a few days. How long do we realistically expect him to be elite?

Do the Rangers have a higher probability of the team competing now or with Lundqvist on the decline (if you assume he will) in 2020 or 2021 at his cap hit? Where are the sources of cheap cap hits then when the team already traded the next JT Miller/Brady Skjei's for MSL/Yandle? Hayes, Miller, etc. will be paid by then.

I think the next 3-4 years are the realistic window IMO.

In comment 13373023 Anakim said:

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is in the negative. They're not getting Shattenkirk.

BTW, impressive to be this wrong this quickly.

it was a smart move on their part because 2 of his 3 most valuable landing spots were Pittsburgh and NYR (Boston being the third). Good keepaway strategy.

But what really makes my blood boil is they got him cheaper than what we paid for Eric Staal last year. A vastly inferior player with a limited NMC (or was it full?) that limited his trade partners to NYR, and yet we somehow paid more last year for him than what the best defender on the market went for this year (in a year with so many contenders looking for D help).

But there's still time. One way this helps us is it set the compensation bar low for this trade period. St. Louis really didn't get much.

In comment 13373430 Torrag said:

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But there's still time. One way this helps us is it set the compensation bar low for this trade period. St. Louis really didn't get much.

I'm just surprised the trade market hasnt been more active ahead of the Vegas draft. I guess GMs prefer to make the deals after the season / before the draft.

I'd still rather trade some of our forward depth with Klein for a young 2nd pair RHD that we would then protect in the offseason with McD and I guess Staal (while buying out Girardi)

Pierre LeBrun
✔ ý@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Whole list of conditions in the Shattenkirk trade but that conditional 2nd round pick is for 2019, not 2018

11:21 PM - 27 Feb 2017


Pierre LeBrun
✔ ý@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Blues get that 2nd RD pick if Caps sign Shattenkirk or if Caps reach conference finals and Shattenkirk plays in at least 50 percent of games

11:22 PM - 27 Feb 2017

Blues should be ashamed.

And Caps purposely chose getting out of their toughest round (Penguins) as precursor to that extra pick

MAB makes a good point above

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But what really makes my blood boil is they got him cheaper than what we paid for Eric Staal last year. A vastly inferior player with a limited NMC (or was it full?) that limited his trade partners to NYR, and yet we somehow paid more last year for him than what the best defender on the market went for this year (in a year with so many contenders looking for D help).

This is a concern for me. This is what caused me to be agitated about the Eric Staal trade. I think the league tries to pry more from the Rangers than other teams. Maybe when you look at your own team, you tend to be critical. It "seems" that teams ask for much more than they do the Rangers.

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I think the league tries to pry more from the Rangers than other teams

--- Bob Gainey

Im reading rangers may try to make a move for Brendan Smith the Dman from the red wings.. also 28yrs old.

Dont know anything about him, any insight?

In comment 13373455 pjcas18 said:

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Quote: I think the league tries to pry more from the Rangers than other teams --- Bob Gainey

hahaha pjcas. I forgot about that one.

In comment 13373463 Diesel_giants said:

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Im reading rangers may try to make a move for Brendan Smith the Dman from the red wings.. also 28yrs old. Dont know anything about him, any insight?

he is a left handed shot and ideally NYR would want a righty. I am not enamored with Smith but he has been linked to the Rangers. I would think there is a corresponding move if Smith is coming to the Range.

Cody Franson?

But isles have called up Ho-Sang on emergency basis. Kind of funny seeing how the isles mouthpiece staple just put out a story on the isles doing nothing at deadline because the injured guys are coming back

In comment 13373469 KWhite2250 said:

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But isles have called up Ho-Sang on emergency basis. Kind of funny seeing how the isles mouthpiece staple just put out a story on the isles doing nothing at deadline because the injured guys are coming back

Might mean that Ladd and/or Chimera injury is worse than they thought and they aren't making the trip. Both had been playing really well lately too.

Silver lining is that I'm excited to see what JHS can do.

...could it be a roster move prior to a trade? Admittedly, I am not sure what constitutes an Emergency basis call up versus a call up. (Is it service time?)

Stephen Gionta would be on L3.

In comment 13373515 Drewcon40 said:

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...could it be a roster move prior to a trade? Admittedly, I am not sure what constitutes an Emergency basis call up versus a call up. (Is it service time?)

Not player service time I don't believe. A game played is a game played.

I think it has to do with waivers and call-ups, something to do with how long the player can remain on the team without having to pass through waivers to get sent back down, depending on their status.

Will probably practice and then be sent down before the game if Ladd plays. Ladd said he would play thurs

Random thought: Fuck the Islanders for not trading for Kessel in 2015.

In comment 13373557 KWhite2250 said:

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Will probably practice and then be sent down before the game if Ladd plays. Ladd said he would play thurs

I had an exchange with Staple and he seems to think Quine is the issue.

Fuck the Islanders period! And all their so called fans. (I.E. Fish) oh I bet it stings a little. He was never NYR property so it doesn't. But it will be a lot of fun around here when Johnny T decides to break away from that loser organization that doesn't even have a place to play. We will all laugh last and the loudest! I said my peace.

Good morning Brett.

...Girardi out for tonight - perhaps longer. Klein practicing.......


I am still happy Gorton held out on Shattenkirk even though our D depth is thin.

Twitter rumor that asking price for Shattenkirk was Buchnevich.

https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/836610693780615168

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@NYRangers Follow More OFFICIAL: #NYR Dan Girardi is expected to be sidelined 10 days to 2 weeks (ankle).

On rangerfan central they asked for Miller, Buch or Hayes or high picks. We decided to pass.

In comment 13373669 Carl in CT said:

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On rangerfan central they asked for Miller, Buch or Hayes or high picks. We decided to pass.

^^^ pjcas - see what I am saying about teams asking more from the Range? I understand these are unconfirmed but sometimes it feels the Rangers are the supermarket for rebuilding teams.

less F-bombs than usual and less violence oozing from his posts. life change? Prozac?

In comment 13373663 BrettNYG10 said:

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Twitter rumor that asking price for Shattenkirk was Buchnevich.

If that's really true, then it's a joke that they then gifted him to the Caps for pennies.

Nah it's only Tuesday. Later in the week the bombs will be flowing.

Any trade we try to make for a D man the asking price just went up. I would have kept it under wraps for 24 more hours.

A lot of stress with my beloved Knicks. It took a while to get over it.

DET/NYR working to finalize trade for Brendan Smith. Not officially done yet but hearing pair of picks, incl 2nd rder, would be included.

https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/836623259957407746

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DET/NYR working to finalize trade for Brendan Smith. Not officially done yet but hearing pair of picks, incl 2nd rder, would be included.

Rangers do not own a 2nd rd pick this year but have 2 in 2018.

2nd is conditional upon his resigning. Otherwise this is just a rental.

Anyone have any info on Smith? Can't say I've seen or heard much of him. Seems he's had a pretty unremarkable career to date. Just a depth guy?

playing Skeji on the right side. He did it in the playoffs last year and looked ok. Could be a potential partner for McDonagh

...if there was a follow up move to recapture a pick and/or prospect, I would be more enthusiastic.

lefties now.

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