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CBS column on Robinson, Ramczyk, Bolles (they sound legit!)

Milton : 2/23/2017 4:51 pm
Not sure if this was posted or not, it's from a couple days ago, I just came across it.

Cam Robinson

“People have started to make the lazy comparison of him and another Ereck Flowers. It’s not. His technique is by far head and shoulders beyond Ereck Flowers, and the things that he struggles with can be fixed.

“His technique is so much farther along than some of the recent guys who show those traits. He’s not them.”

“When you talk about the traits you want a left tackle to have in the first round, especially top 15, Cam Robinson checks those boxes.

“In terms of skill set and ability it’s all there. I think there are some technique things that need to be cleaned up, at times there’s consistency issues. Sometimes it just looks like he’s disengaged and just kinda checked out, I’m not sure if he gets bored or what, but when he turns it on I don’t think people give him enough credit. There’s a lot of things that he makes look very easy.

“If his off the field checks out it would be hard to pass on him in the first round, especially in the top 20.”

“The first thing I saw when I saw him as a freshman I remember thinking that’s a No. 1 overall pick type talent. He has that type of ability, it’s just a matter of if he puts it together and refines his technique and becomes consistent.”

“I think you definitely draft this guy high if those things check out. On the field he has everything you could possible want in an NFL left tackle. I don’t see much that he doesn’t have.”

Ryan Ramczyk

“When you turn on the film of Ramczyk he’s very technically sound. He has the traits there as far as physical traits, and then when you marry that with how technically sound he is in almost every aspect it just jumps off the screen.”

“His 2016 tape is very good. Now, this is what you have to ask yourself. If his medical clears what you saw on tape definitely warrants a look and a kick of the tires to be somewhere in the first round. You don’t get that later on in the draft.

“I do think Ramczyk’s medical is going to be pretty key for him.”

“He’s very good with his hands, he plays the game with good leverage, understands angles well. He’s just a very clean prospect in my opinion.”

Garett Bolles

“Garret Bolles is 24, will be 25 here I think in May or June. The thing about him is the freaky athletic ability that jumps off the screen. You don’t see that a lot past the first round. You just don’t see it, period."

“He’s probably the best finisher, it doesn’t matter if it’s run blocking or pass protection, he’s probably the best finisher in the draft.”

“You’re telling me in three or four years when it’s time to re-up and this guy’s 28, 29 and probably at the peak of his game that you’re going to get another three or four years out of him. That you’re not going to be happy with a guy that just played eight years and is essentially going to be 33 years old? I think you’ll be fine with that. I’m not buying the whole age thing with him.”

“I don’t think his age is a big deal... you draft that guy in the first round, for sure.”

“I think his athleticism really jumps off. When he gets out in space and he’s pulling and he’s at the second level he moves incredibly well, and he’s nasty as a finisher.”

OL Experts Dissect Ramczyk, Robinson, Bolles (with link to podcast) - ( New Window )
I get the negatives with Ramczyk  
robbieballs2003 : 2/23/2017 5:02 pm : link
But when I watch him he moves effortlessly at LT. I think he is going to be a very good player regardless of his one year at a high level of competition.
I'm starting to think Robinson or Ramczyk will be the pick  
est1986 : 2/23/2017 5:10 pm : link
But I'm hoping one of two WR's falls there and I think a very good and CB the Giants have 'highly rated' will be there too.
Looks like it was written by a team wanting an edge rusher  
bigblue12 : 2/23/2017 5:20 pm : link
...lol..jk. Good stuff. Thanks for posting
Our  
jeremysgiants : 2/23/2017 5:23 pm : link
offensive line as a whole was dreadful last year. If we don't address the problem in free agency, we almost have to take one of these guys if they're there when we pick.
RE: I get the negatives with Ramczyk  
BLUATHRT : 2/23/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13369863 robbieballs2003 said:
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But when I watch him he moves effortlessly at LT. I think he is going to be a very good player regardless of his one year at a high level of competition.


The word on him is "does he love the game ?"
RE: RE: I get the negatives with Ramczyk  
robbieballs2003 : 2/23/2017 6:01 pm : link
In comment 13369896 BLUATHRT said:
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In comment 13369863 robbieballs2003 said:


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But when I watch him he moves effortlessly at LT. I think he is going to be a very good player regardless of his one year at a high level of competition.



The word on him is "does he love the game ?"


I think that is lazy, personally. That came up years ago. I think he has proven to rectify that issue. However, it should be researched but I am not worried about it.
(they sound legit!)...  
Torrag : 2/23/2017 6:17 pm : link
...historically speaking they represent a mediocre 1st round OT class. I'm not a fan of any one of them particularly. I'd be going in a different direction with the #23 pick in most draft scenarios.
Give me Bolles and Ramczyk over Robinson  
jeff57 : 2/23/2017 6:18 pm : link
They are better pass blockers.
Having some fun watching these guys highlight stuff  
lono801 : 2/23/2017 6:29 pm : link
Bolles does play nasty...he stones his guy in pass protection. Even pulled well.
RE: (they sound legit!)...  
Milton : 2/23/2017 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13369916 Torrag said:
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...historically speaking they represent a mediocre 1st round OT class. I'm not a fan of any one of them particularly. I'd be going in a different direction with the #23 pick in most draft scenarios.
I don't know, when I read their scouting reports and compare them to what I read about Scherff, Flowers, and Peat, the 2017 class reads better. For whatever reason they don't seem to be ranked as high. Not sure what to make of that. Then again, a year ago today Shane Conklin was still being talked about as a late-first/early-second round prospect. Our luck Robinson, Ramczyk, and Bolles will all be long gone before the Giants get a whiff of them.
Robinson  
area junc : 2/23/2017 6:30 pm : link
has that Tyron Smith-type upside if he can put it all together. Smith had some of the same concerns coming out
RE: Robinson  
Milton : 2/23/2017 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13369925 area junc said:
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has that Tyron Smith-type upside if he can put it all together. Smith had some of the same concerns coming out
I think Smith has spent his whole college career on the right side (because of Kalil).
Smith played RT at USC  
lono801 : 2/23/2017 6:35 pm : link
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I would take any of the 3 at #23 and plug them in to LT or RT  
PatersonPlank : 2/23/2017 6:55 pm : link
Let Bolles/Ram/Robinson compete with Flowers for LT. Whichever LT/RT combo makes the line the best that is what I would do.
Bolles age really concerns me  
Jay on the Island : 2/23/2017 7:02 pm : link
I remember when guard Danny Watkins entered the draft and he was hyped up as a guaranteed safe stud guard but he was 25. The Eagles took him in the first round which was considered a great pick by the experts and he was just overmatched from day one. He was no longer going against kids 5-6 years younger than him anymore and he couldn't adjust. I am not saying Bolles will be a bust but I just wouldn't take him in the first round.
After watching them, the one that plays lt the best  
Ira : 2/23/2017 7:07 pm : link
is Bolles.
If his medical report checks out...  
Milton : 2/23/2017 7:22 pm : link
Ramczyk appears to be the guy with the highest floor and the lowest ceiling.
'compare them to what I read about Scherff, Flowers, and Peat'...  
Torrag : 2/23/2017 7:25 pm : link
...another poor class of OT's and I wish we had gone in a different direction with our pick. Too bd we weren't active in the market for an OT in the 2016 draft. Those guys can play(Stanley/Conklin/Tunsil/Decker).
I like Bolles the Best  
rasbutant : 2/23/2017 7:58 pm : link
Also like Antonio Garcia a lot.

Big question though. If they get a FA LT such as Whitworth or Riley, do they still draft a OT in 1st round?

I don't think so.

However, if they go with Clady, Kalil, Okung, or Beachum I'm still all for a OT in the 1st round.

RE: Bolles age really concerns me  
jeff57 : 2/24/2017 5:42 am : link
In comment 13369942 Jay on the Island said:
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I remember when guard Danny Watkins entered the draft and he was hyped up as a guaranteed safe stud guard but he was 25. The Eagles took him in the first round which was considered a great pick by the experts and he was just overmatched from day one. He was no longer going against kids 5-6 years younger than him anymore and he couldn't adjust. I am not saying Bolles will be a bust but I just wouldn't take him in the first round.

Age isn't the problem. Watkins was a G who sucked. Bolles is a LT who is much quicker and agile. And no comparison in terms of pass protection skills.
Bolles  
stretch234 : 2/24/2017 8:18 am : link
How do you make a plan long term if you draft a guy and his second contract starts at year 30. It is a huge risk

The best Giants OL the last 25 years was Snee - he initially got hurt at 29, played hurt at 30 and played 3 games at 31. Baas was hurt at 31 and played 3 games after that. Suebert - done at 31. Locklear - hurt and done at 31. Beatty got hurt at 29 and has been done.

Deihl was the exception and yet while playing every game up thru the age of 29, he missed 12 games in the 4 years once he turned 30
If you get 5 years of quality  
area junc : 2/24/2017 8:50 am : link
play out of a 1st round pick, that's good value. You don't have to sign them to a 2nd contract.

We have to weight the fact he's 25 against the fact we need 2 starting OT's and Eli's window is closing fast. A guy who can step in and play right away (like Conklin last year) carries huge value to us, in particular.

I am not saying Bolles is or isn't that guy, but if he is, he's another solid option for us in round 1.
I just realised that Bolles played right next to Isaac Asiata  
idiotsavant : 2/24/2017 9:16 am : link
LT/LG at Utah.

Interesting to me since I had Asiata as second round pick in a guard (or OT to play guard) 1 and guard 2 draft.

I could see Jerry going for Bolles, though, if he has the legit upside at OLT and fewer learning or balance hurdles than a Flowers, however (and I would still go guard then guard but...)

1. OT Bolles
2. OG Asiata?

Interesting comp, people say bolles is old (who cares) but don't forget, Flowers was very young, no? Too young maybe.

Bolles  
ryanmkeane : 2/24/2017 9:19 am : link
seems like a good player, but why take him when you could have essentially a player of similar value but 4 years younger?
Picking at #23 in the first round...  
Klaatu : 2/24/2017 9:27 am : link
I think you have to include Roderick Johnson and Dorian Johnson in the mix if you're intent on drafting an O-Lineman there.
we probably have zero idea how they actually rate these guys  
idiotsavant : 2/24/2017 9:27 am : link
.

my rule of thumb is that, even while 'building for the future' you still rate players on what they can do for you in the upcoming season. it would just seem to eliminate balony.
according to that link, Johnson has serious balance issues  
idiotsavant : 2/24/2017 9:32 am : link
and a narrow base, no thanks
sorry, Roderick j  
idiotsavant : 2/24/2017 9:32 am : link
that is
Bolles sounds good, but....  
chilly460 : 2/24/2017 10:09 am : link
Man he looks like a TE, looks like he has no sand in his pants at all. I realize LT isn't a "power" position, but if they want to run the ball, he may not be the correct prospect. Using a 1st rounder on a guy that may never be a good run blocker, on top of the age thing, makes me leary.

That said, no way on Robinson. Watched enough Alabama football, he's another Flowers. Has all the "tools" but just doesn't have the overall athleticism to get it done, plus he's "football dumb", lots of costly penalties.
The combine will be important for all three...  
Milton : 2/24/2017 1:50 pm : link
For Ramczyk it will be the medical checkup.
For Robinson it will be the interviews.
For Bolles it will be the size/speed/strength numbers.
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