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NFT: Knicks @ Cavs 8 pm

giantsfan44ab : 2/23/2017 6:24 pm
I had a feeling nothing would happen at the deadline. Big whoop. Overall a busier trade season than normal. Ibaka and Boogie didn't even happen at the deadline. Noel makes Dallas an interesting team and hopefully, at the very least, better than the Knicks.

I probably won't even watch this game. NO vs Houston seems more interesting.
By how much does Cleveland win by tonight?  
The_Boss : 2/23/2017 7:23 pm : link
Over 20?
RE: By how much does Cleveland win by tonight?  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 7:26 pm : link
In comment 13369947 The_Boss said:
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Over 20?


hopefully, knicks fans luck though knocks win a close game and we have to hear how they are going to make a lush for playoffs
Gonna be tough for me to watch Knicks games now.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 7:29 pm : link
I'm rooting for losses, and hate to do that. I hope Melo puts it on cruise control now that the deadline and All-Star Game are over.
Cavs  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/23/2017 7:31 pm : link
Plus 15.
Let's go Cavs!!  
Big Rick in FL : 2/23/2017 7:37 pm : link
We need to lose. We need to pair KP, Hernangomez & Kuzminskas with Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball.
RE: Let's go Cavs!!  
giantsfan44ab : 2/23/2017 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13369962 Big Rick in FL said:
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We need to lose. We need to pair KP, Hernangomez & Kuzminskas with Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball.


One of those things is not like the others.
If Oak is there, TNT will milk that storyline.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 7:49 pm : link
Tough break for the Knicks - if it were a regional game, MSG Network wouldn't even mention it. Ho hum, more embarrassment.
RE: Let's go Cavs!!  
Mason : 2/23/2017 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13369962 Big Rick in FL said:
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We need to lose. We need to pair KP, Hernangomez & Kuzminskas with Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball.


Why do people treat Kuz like he is some part of a young building piece? He is only a year younger than Rose. Even by Euro standard he is a vet. LOL, he is the same age as Jennings.
TT is working  
dep026 : 2/23/2017 8:21 pm : link
Hernangomez.
WHY IS LOLANCE THOMAS on this  
B in ALB : 2/23/2017 8:30 pm : link
fucking team?!?
The knicks just drove 4  
dep026 : 2/23/2017 8:31 pm : link
consecutive times to the basket with easy to see body contact on the Cavs, and not one of them was called.

People want to know why I root against the Cavs..... they get every single close call.
TT working everybody.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 8:31 pm : link
This will be a 20-point deficit by halftime. Hope Embiid is healthy for one of those upcoming Philly games.
Rose rAn away fro LBJ  
Carl in CT : 2/23/2017 8:32 pm : link
On the break. What happened to take one in the chest? Pussy!
Thomas committed two fouls  
Mason : 2/23/2017 8:32 pm : link
one he clearly pushes off Rose so he couldn't finish and he could block the shot. And on Lance Thomas he just shoves him out of the way as he gets to the rim with the official looking at Lance Thomas on the floor. LOL. The NBA officiating.
RE: Thomas committed two fouls  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2017 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13370025 Mason said:
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one he clearly pushes off Rose so he couldn't finish and he could block the shot. And on Lance Thomas he just shoves him out of the way as he gets to the rim with the official looking at Lance Thomas on the floor. LOL. The NBA officiating.


Lebron on primetime national TV. nobody should've expected a well officiated game.
RE: RE: Thomas committed two fouls  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13370026 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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one he clearly pushes off Rose so he couldn't finish and he could block the shot. And on Lance Thomas he just shoves him out of the way as he gets to the rim with the official looking at Lance Thomas on the floor. LOL. The NBA officiating.



Lebron on primetime national TV. nobody should've expected a well officiated game.


this is thompson plays and gets away with it, he just shoves people out of the way all game, refs will call it once or twice and let the rest go..

watch when he sets a pick, he basically just shoves the guy to free up lwbron or kyrie, every aingle time
kyrie gets bumped by his own guy  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 9:01 pm : link
so lets call it on the knicks
Have the Knicks  
dep026 : 2/23/2017 9:11 pm : link
ever worked on a pick n roll defense? I have never seen so many wide open 3s in my life.
When it couldn't get any worse  
Carl in CT : 2/23/2017 9:12 pm : link
KP hurt.
Great  
B in ALB : 2/23/2017 9:13 pm : link
KP limping to the locker room. Great. Grand. Wonderful!
lonzo ball on espn2  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 9:14 pm : link
..
DNP Melo and Rose for the season  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2017 9:17 pm : link
and let's get this top 4 pick.
Shut him down for a couple of weeks.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 9:18 pm : link
We have games against Philly and Orlando that we need to lose.
If this is how Melo  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 9:33 pm : link
wants to spend the next two years of his career, then he's just a loser at this point. Does he really enjoy any part of this?
KP  
Canton : 2/23/2017 9:34 pm : link
OUT for rest of game
Tristan bear-hugging Willy on the post entry pass.  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 9:38 pm : link
No call.
RE: KP  
The_Boss : 2/23/2017 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13370089 Canton said:
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OUT for rest of game


More time to stalk that piece of ass model on instagram.
hornacek told reggie miller  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2017 9:52 pm : link
he is going to have kp and hernangomez work with karl malone, that would be good for the 2 young players
RE: DNP Melo and Rose for the season  
adamg : 2/23/2017 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13370071 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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and let's get this top 4 pick.


Fuck it at this point. They came into the season talking about playoffs and conference championships and being a super team... this is pathetic.
Just sharing some KP highlights  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2017 10:26 pm : link
from a game against Houston last season. He had 24 points, 14 boards and 7 blocks. Everything was on display - the three ball, pull-up Js off the dribble, drives to the bucket, and a couple of post moves. It's amazing what they've done to this kid this season.

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Porz apparently was in a walking boot  
The_Boss : 2/23/2017 11:10 pm : link
After the game per Berman.

Without KP, why the heck are we even watching this unwatchable group?
KP has been a shell of himself this season  
Canton : 2/23/2017 11:11 pm : link
.
Why...  
M.S. : 2/24/2017 6:16 am : link

watch?
Why not sit KP?  
Big Rick in FL : 2/24/2017 6:54 am : link
Is there really a point of him playing this year? Seems to just keep picking up little injuries here and there. It's not worth it. The season is over. Now we need a higher pick. Let him get healthy for 2018.

FYI I wasn't talking about starting Kuz. I was more talking about him being the 6th or 7th guy in the rotation. I think he can be a solid player in the NBA. Also was saying I think those are 3 guys we should keep around. Don't really care for anybody else on the roster.
Shaq and  
DanMetroMan : 2/24/2017 7:15 am : link
Jevale McGee got into a war of words last night lol
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If things went perfectly for the knicks  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2017 7:54 am : link
they would get one of the point guards in this draft, and then you lose enough next year and get doncic or porter..

I don't mean this in a harmful way  
Carl in CT : 2/24/2017 9:07 am : link
But KP plays 75% of the time outside the paint. For someone that does and is always nicked up here and there it's beacause he is soft. Needs to get a lot stronger or teams will realize this and start abusing him. I see the Karl Malone help on the way. I hope it starts with his body.
Hawks  
DanMetroMan : 2/24/2017 9:12 am : link
reportedly offered 4 1sts for both Butler and George and were rebuffed.
RE: Hawks  
giantsfan44ab : 2/24/2017 9:29 am : link
In comment 13370326 DanMetroMan said:
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reportedly offered 4 1sts for both Butler and George and were rebuffed.

That offer sounds better than it actually is.
RE: RE: Hawks  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13370349 giantsfan44ab said:
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reportedly offered 4 1sts for both Butler and George and were rebuffed.


That offer sounds better than it actually is.


yeah they would most likely all be mid to late round picks
Sullinger  
DanMetroMan : 2/24/2017 9:32 am : link
being waived by the Suns. He's been awful (struggled with his weight etc) but why not sign him for the rest of the year with a team option for next year?
Maybe  
DanMetroMan : 2/24/2017 9:40 am : link
we should dream big... that somehow one of these teams looking to make a splash/keep their current stars (Indiana/Atl etc) comes to the Knicks with a big offer for Melo AND Melo is willing to go...
Plan  
TyreeHelmet : 2/24/2017 9:51 am : link
1)Do whatever is necessary to lose as many games as possible until the end of the season. No shame in it and could set up the franchise for a decade. Bench players, start Noah at point guard...whatever it takes. Won't be the first team to tank the end of a season.
2) Waive Rose. He doesn't want to be here and you'd be doing him a favor. Sign a D leaguer PG and see if you can get lucky.
3) Trade Melo this offseason. Whatever it takes but you can't start the season with him on the roster. Move on.
4) Keep your cap space to be able to act as "bank" for other teams looking to create cap space. Look at the assets Philly and Boston got by doing this.
5) Try to trade Lee or anyone else to get another pick in this draft. Get as many young players as possible around KP because you won't hit on all of them.
6) Play the young guys all next season and likely end up with another high lottery pick.

Simple and clear path to a rebuild for this team. I highly doubt Phil follows it but one can hope.
RE: Maybe  
giantsfan44ab : 2/24/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13370361 DanMetroMan said:
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we should dream big... that somehow one of these teams looking to make a splash/keep their current stars (Indiana/Atl etc) comes to the Knicks with a big offer for Melo AND Melo is willing to go...


Or if PG is destined to go to the Lakers, send Melo there in the offseason to ensure PG comes over.
The Knicks plan is simple....  
dep026 : 2/24/2017 9:53 am : link
They will sit and be cautious with Porz.
Melo and Rose will play out the season.
hernangomez will get extended minutes.
They will lose a lot of game.

I dont get the freak out with Knicks fans. You are losing games. Rose will leave after the year. Melo hates the team direction. You will get a top 5-6 pick eventually.

Why is everyone all up in arms?
RE: The Knicks plan is simple....  
giantsfan44ab : 2/24/2017 9:57 am : link
In comment 13370377 dep026 said:
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They will sit and be cautious with Porz.
Melo and Rose will play out the season.
hernangomez will get extended minutes.
They will lose a lot of game.

I dont get the freak out with Knicks fans. You are losing games. Rose will leave after the year. Melo hates the team direction. You will get a top 5-6 pick eventually.

Why is everyone all up in arms?


There's no reason to be mad now, but if we beat philly and Orlando over the next two weeks you will see plenty of upset Knicks fans lol.
RE: The Knicks plan is simple....  
DanMetroMan : 2/24/2017 9:58 am : link
In comment 13370377 dep026 said:
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They will sit and be cautious with Porz.
Melo and Rose will play out the season.
hernangomez will get extended minutes.
They will lose a lot of game.

I dont get the freak out with Knicks fans. You are losing games. Rose will leave after the year. Melo hates the team direction. You will get a top 5-6 pick eventually.

Why is everyone all up in arms?


Because

1) the schedule gets easier and the roster really isn't "that bad". They have enough good, solid, okay players they could win more games than they should

2) Phil Jackson has yet to show he knows how to build a team

3) Still a chance Rose is retained (which again would cause me to not follow the 2018 Knicks)

4) Still seems like Melo would rather stay here on a bad Knicks team than bolt. Hopefully that changes.
The roster is bad  
dep026 : 2/24/2017 10:08 am : link
you have no good defenders and a defensive coach that is clueless.

You got games against bad teams filled with young players who will play hard, much harder than the Knicks.

Rose is gone. I am not saying he has checked out, but he doesnt like Horny and NY doesnt want him.
In actuality  
giantsfan44ab : 2/24/2017 10:17 am : link
I don't know how much easier the schedule gets. The teams look easier for the most part but he Knicks have all the easy teams on the road and all the good teams at home over the next 3 weeks. Then there is that 4 game road stretch against Utah, LAC, Portland and SA that could easily be 4 losses.
RE: RE: The Knicks plan is simple....  
TyreeHelmet : 2/24/2017 10:18 am : link
In comment 13370391 DanMetroMan said:
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They will sit and be cautious with Porz.
Melo and Rose will play out the season.
hernangomez will get extended minutes.
They will lose a lot of game.

I dont get the freak out with Knicks fans. You are losing games. Rose will leave after the year. Melo hates the team direction. You will get a top 5-6 pick eventually.

Why is everyone all up in arms?



Because

1) the schedule gets easier and the roster really isn't "that bad". They have enough good, solid, okay players they could win more games than they should

2) Phil Jackson has yet to show he knows how to build a team

3) Still a chance Rose is retained (which again would cause me to not follow the 2018 Knicks)

4) Still seems like Melo would rather stay here on a bad Knicks team than bolt. Hopefully that changes.


Spot on about everything here. It all comes down to a lack of trust in Jackson. He probably would prefer to just miss the playoffs then completely bottom out when anyone with half a brain knows this is wrong. Picking 4th/5th is an enormous difference than 10-12th.

His relationship with Melo couldn't be worse either. So instead of reaching common ground with him late in the year and letting him rest while young guy play, Anthony is going to be trying to stick to Phil and win games. He should have also cultivated that relationship to work together to find him a new team and make it mutually beneficial. Instead Carmelo clearly just wants to give him a big Fuck You.

There is no reason for Rose to be on this team the rest of the season. Such a Knicks move.
The Rose move  
dep026 : 2/24/2017 10:29 am : link
was his best move of the season, since you arent stuck with Robin Lopez anymore.
RE: The Rose move  
TyreeHelmet : 2/24/2017 10:33 am : link
In comment 13370424 dep026 said:
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was his best move of the season, since you arent stuck with Robin Lopez anymore.


Oh yeah brilliant move. Just stuck with Rose for a year freezing out KP and getting blown by on defense nightly. And paid the corpse of Joachim Noah 72 million to replace Lopez.
RE: RE: The Rose move  
dep026 : 2/24/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13370432 TyreeHelmet said:
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was his best move of the season, since you arent stuck with Robin Lopez anymore.



Oh yeah brilliant move. Just stuck with Rose for a year freezing out KP and getting blown by on defense nightly. And paid the corpse of Joachim Noah 72 million to replace Lopez.


Porz play has nothing to do with Rose. Anyone who thinks that has ZERO basketball knowledge.
RE: RE: RE: The Rose move  
TyreeHelmet : 2/24/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13370434 dep026 said:
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In comment 13370424 dep026 said:

I understand you love Rose but be resonable. He's the point guard you want playing with your young big man? Listen to Porzingis himself.


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was his best move of the season, since you arent stuck with Robin Lopez anymore.



Oh yeah brilliant move. Just stuck with Rose for a year freezing out KP and getting blown by on defense nightly. And paid the corpse of Joachim Noah 72 million to replace Lopez.



Porz play has nothing to do with Rose. Anyone who thinks that has ZERO basketball knowledge.

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Well  
dep026 : 2/24/2017 10:54 am : link
1. NY Post might be the worst source of basketball information in the United States. Using that as a source is weak, and proves my point even more.
2. Melo has the ball on offense more than Rose.
3. Porz shot selection consists of 64% jumpers from 10 feet and deeper.
4. Porz plays long stretches with Jennings at the point as well.

Other than that, great argument you got going for yourself.
rose has not played well  
nygiants16 : 2/24/2017 11:14 am : link
but blaming everything wrong with kp on rose is just stupid...

porzingis is averaging close to 20 points and 7 boards, shooting 45% and 37% from 3, everything is up from the year before, so how is he hurting kp?

it is utterly ridiculous to say rose and melo are having a negative effect when his offense is better than last year, his defense is where he is struggling
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