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Colin Kaepernick out in San Fran??

EricJ : 2/23/2017 9:19 pm
they owe him over $16 million this year. Chances are they do not keep him making that much money. What team takes a shot on him if the 49ers cut him loose?

I am posting this because I just got back today from a trip to San Francisco this week. The discussion came up with some of the people I was working with who happen to be fans of the team. The consensus from the few people I spoke with is that the fans want Colin to go. They feel he hurt the team's brand as well.
He's a real talent.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/23/2017 9:25 pm : link
Chicago, Cleveland or the Jets might want to bring him on a "show me" deal.

I'm not as offended by the protest stuff as some people are, maybe because I'm old enough to remember how much people hated Muhammad Ali and how popular he became. But I do understand why some people think he's hurt the 49ers brand. And if that stuff hurts a team's brand in San Francisco, it's going to be a real problem in other parts of the country.
The protest crap doesn't matter at all  
jcn56 : 2/23/2017 9:29 pm : link
Michael Vick ran a dogfighting ring and he got back into the starting rotation. It only has to do with talent and ability, no matter how reprehensible an individual might be (not suggesting this applies to CK, but to Vick, Hardy, etc.) if they can play well they'll get another chance.
RE: He's a real talent.  
EricJ : 2/23/2017 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13370081 81_Great_Dane said:
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I'm not as offended by the protest stuff as some people are,

And if that stuff hurts a team's brand in San Francisco, it's going to be a real problem in other parts of the country.


My person view on that topic is this...
I am not "offended" by anything. Anyone whose feelings get hurt by the words or actions of another just needs to find the right therapist or support group. That being said, when he is in uniform and on the field, he is representing his employer (the 49ers) and the league. He is at work and that is not the place to get political, begin a crusade, or make statements (take positions) that may have a negative impact on the employer. The fact is that a lot of people said "fuck the 49ers". That is not a good thing for the team. I am all for Colin protesting. It is his right which I support. He just needs to do it on his own time.
The Ali circumstances were much different  
steve in ky : 2/23/2017 9:40 pm : link
Being a conscientious objector to going to war is much different than refusing to stand for the anthem.

Then when the nations popular support for the war turned largely negative most people better empathized with Ali's position. That he was stripped of his title during his prime and faced prison for his convictions I think when he returned to the ring people saw him as a victim who was unjustly punished and were willing to embrace him.

Add to that his electric personality and contrast it with Kaps sour personality and I honestly don't see much similarity between the two.
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christian : 2/23/2017 9:43 pm : link
This is a guy who got benched for Blaine Gabbert. His biggest concern isn't kneeling during the national anthem. He's a borderline NFL player.
I think he is about to be  
shelovesnycsports : 2/23/2017 9:43 pm : link
black balled by the NFL. Enjoy Canada!
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steve in ky : 2/23/2017 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13370101 christian said:
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This is a guy who got benched for Blaine Gabbert. His biggest concern isn't kneeling during the national anthem. He's a borderline NFL player.


Similar to Tebow it's likely that for most teams his talent doesn't justify them wanting to deal with the sideshow he creates if you sign him.

And before someone says it I'm not comparing the talent of the two.
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christian : 2/23/2017 9:51 pm : link
Unless you have generationally elite speed like Mike Vick, there's very little room in the NFL for a running QB.

A guy who breaks the pocket too early is just too easy to defend.
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mrvax : 2/23/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13370116 christian said:
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Unless you have generationally elite speed like Mike Vick, there's very little room in the NFL for a running QB.

A guy who breaks the pocket too early is just too easy to defend.


Agreed. RG3 clone.
Jets  
trueblueinpw : 2/23/2017 10:17 pm : link
They won't be in the Romo hunt as far as I can tell. The kneeling stuff probably doesn't matter here in NY/NJ. Can't be any worse than the dreck they have on the rooster. Not sure Kaep would make the Jets much better but who knows? This Jets team isn't that much different than the one Kaep took the Super Bowl.
Kap  
Doomster : 2/23/2017 10:54 pm : link
is not a "touch" quarterback....he has a blazing fastball that he throws to open receivers....a tight window, forgetaboutit....
I don't care about the kneeling  
Big Rick in FL : 2/23/2017 10:56 pm : link
Stuff either. He was a piece of shit long before that happened. A friend of mine has had Bucs season tickets since the late 70s. Prior to the game they always have military members on the field. He said for as long as he can remember the star player of the away team takes pics & signs autographs for the military members. Odell did it. Cam Newton did it. Patrick Willis did it. My friend said the only person who didn't go over to meet the military members was Colin Kaepernick.


Also in regards to the guy who said he's a real talent what does that mean? He's really talented at what? His accuracy is horrible. His poise in the pocket is even worse. He can't read a defense. He's a good scrambler and that's about it. Once teams had enough tape on him he was exposed.
The only team I can see giving him a chance at this stage  
robbieballs2003 : 2/23/2017 11:15 pm : link
Would be Cleveland.
RE: The only team I can see giving him a chance at this stage  
EricJ : 2/23/2017 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13370203 robbieballs2003 said:
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Would be Cleveland.


based upon their history, I would not be surprised if he is already headed there.
It's a passing league  
weeg in the bronx : 2/23/2017 11:34 pm : link
He's not a very good passing QB. Plus he has mega baggage. I'd be shocked to see him starting next year.
A wildcard spot ... Seattle.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/23/2017 11:51 pm : link
He can back up Wilson and he and Carroll can talk about the conspiracy that was 9/11.
RE: I don't care about the kneeling  
LCtheINTMachine : 2/24/2017 1:12 am : link
In comment 13370188 Big Rick in FL said:
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Stuff either. He was a piece of shit long before that happened. A friend of mine has had Bucs season tickets since the late 70s. Prior to the game they always have military members on the field. He said for as long as he can remember the star player of the away team takes pics & signs autographs for the military members. Odell did it. Cam Newton did it. Patrick Willis did it. My friend said the only person who didn't go over to meet the military members was Colin Kaepernick.


Also in regards to the guy who said he's a real talent what does that mean? He's really talented at what? His accuracy is horrible. His poise in the pocket is even worse. He can't read a defense. He's a good scrambler and that's about it. Once teams had enough tape on him he was exposed.


People who don't kowtow to our military are pieces of shits. This is why I hate civilians. They don't understand what this country is really about - fighting wars and taking names. It's the reason we are safe as opposed to being in a war or hellzone.
RE: RE: He's a real talent.  
Sonic Youth : 2/24/2017 1:16 am : link
In comment 13370091 EricJ said:
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In comment 13370081 81_Great_Dane said:


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I'm not as offended by the protest stuff as some people are,

And if that stuff hurts a team's brand in San Francisco, it's going to be a real problem in other parts of the country.



My person view on that topic is this...
I am not "offended" by anything. Anyone whose feelings get hurt by the words or actions of another just needs to find the right therapist or support group. That being said, when he is in uniform and on the field, he is representing his employer (the 49ers) and the league. He is at work and that is not the place to get political, begin a crusade, or make statements (take positions) that may have a negative impact on the employer. The fact is that a lot of people said "fuck the 49ers". That is not a good thing for the team. I am all for Colin protesting. It is his right which I support. He just needs to do it on his own time.
his teammate supported him. and some he gained some new fans. fans don't give a shit about the "brand" in terms of monetary value, and a team like the niners, by the starting qb on a dismal team.

those people were just finding a veiled and acceptable way to throw shade at the point of the protest.

in some respects, yes, you're right, he's at work. the niners could fire him if they wanted, I guess.

but they didn't. cause its about football, not the "brand", and they had no better options available
RE: RE: RE: He's a real talent.  
Sonic Youth : 2/24/2017 1:18 am : link
In comment 13370234 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 13370091 EricJ said:


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In comment 13370081 81_Great_Dane said:


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I'm not as offended by the protest stuff as some people are,

And if that stuff hurts a team's brand in San Francisco, it's going to be a real problem in other parts of the country.



My person view on that topic is this...
I am not "offended" by anything. Anyone whose feelings get hurt by the words or actions of another just needs to find the right therapist or support group. That being said, when he is in uniform and on the field, he is representing his employer (the 49ers) and the league. He is at work and that is not the place to get political, begin a crusade, or make statements (take positions) that may have a negative impact on the employer. The fact is that a lot of people said "fuck the 49ers". That is not a good thing for the team. I am all for Colin protesting. It is his right which I support. He just needs to do it on his own time.

his teammate supported him. and some he gained some new fans. fans don't give a shit about the "brand" in terms of monetary value, and a team like the niners, by the starting qb on a dismal team.

those people were just finding a veiled and acceptable way to throw shade at the point of the protest.

in some respects, yes, you're right, he's at work. the niners could fire him if they wanted, I guess.

but they didn't. cause its about football, not the "brand", and they had no better options available
ugh, lots of typos\

his *teammates supported him...

**he gained some new fans, just as he people said "fuck the niners"

***even though he's at work, the team didn't give a shit enough to care to fire him, as they are just trying to win games.


**** the niners brand is too strong to be hurt by a divisive (but not overwhelmingly unpopular) protest during a 2-14 season, even if it's by the starting QB.
RE: RE: I don't care about the kneeling  
Big Rick in FL : 2/24/2017 3:27 am : link
In comment 13370230 LCtheINTMachine said:
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In comment 13370188 Big Rick in FL said:



People who don't kowtow to our military are pieces of shits. This is why I hate civilians. They don't understand what this country is really about - fighting wars and taking names. It's the reason we are safe as opposed to being in a war or hellzone.


It's really not hard to do. There isn't many members of the military on the field. Normally about 20 or so. It'd take 5 minutes to meet with all of them take a picture & sign an autograph. These people have watched friends and family die to protect us. So we have this awesome game of football. They're the reason you ever got a contract worth 61 million dollars guaranteed and you can't take a few minutes out of your day? It's not that hard. Every other player for every team does it, but Colin Kaepernick is too good to do it? Give me a fucking break. Yeah he might not agree with the war or whatever. I understand that, but it's not the troops fault. They're just doing their job. Risking their lives to do something that most including me are too afraid to do.
RE: I think he is about to be  
madgiantscow009 : 2/24/2017 5:18 am : link
In comment 13370102 shelovesnycsports said:
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black balled by the NFL. Enjoy Canada!


Canada is pretty nice, he'll like Toronto.
Article recently said he met with the new GM  
ZogZerg : 2/24/2017 7:13 am : link
and the meeting went very well. I think he stays in SF.
"People who don't kowtow to our military are pieces of shits."  
c_dude : 2/24/2017 7:30 am : link
Sarcasm off?
He is damaged  
The 12th Man : 2/24/2017 9:23 am : link
Goods I will be shocked if Anyone touches this guy. I can not see a team on the balls of its ass would want this guy as their savior.
He is not an accurate passer  
RetroJint : 2/24/2017 9:25 am : link
Forget the other stuff. Plus he has had a series of debilitating injuries.
I heard a ex QB just rip Kap on the radio in SF  
PatersonPlank : 2/24/2017 9:56 am : link
He took him through a step by step analysis, and pointed out why he isn't a NFL starter. He would bring up numerous plays and show what he did, as well as talk about mechanics. I have to believe this is common knowledge in the NFL, there are a lot of QB analysts like this who must think the same.
He can join KC  
Rory : 2/24/2017 10:23 am : link
and sit behind Alex Smith again. lol
Its not just kneeling for the anthem  
giant24 : 2/24/2017 11:14 am : link
its the "pigs" police socks, the Fidel Castro/Black Panthers/Nation of Islam worship etc. Don't understand how anybody could root for this guy or want him and his radical views on their team.
Had forgotten about the pig cop socks  
cosmicj : 2/24/2017 12:34 pm : link
I have mixed emotions about CK refusing to stand for the anthem but wearing these socks (to practice, mind you) is actually much more offensive.

See CK's comments in the attached link. At best, his comments are a startlingly bad example of public presentation. I think this all points to CK being really stupid. If I was an owner of another NFL team, I would hesitate to take on this sort of perception issue for a mediocre starting/back-up type talent.
Pig Socks - ( New Window )
jcn56 You're comparing apples to oranges  
Marine One : 2/24/2017 8:54 pm : link
with the Vick comparison! First, Vick did two years in prison and made half-assed restitution to dog owners in his own screwed up way. CK has made no such consolation and with a country so split hard and divisive down the middle on many issues, if you are the 49r's brand, you sure as hell aren't looking to alienate upwards of 50% with some dipshit who forgets who fills the seats to watch him play. I personally don't give a shit what his political, religious, or sexual preferences are about, just don't ram that shit down my throat on my viewing time and whatever the fuck you do, don't disrespect my flag, or country when I'm paying .50 or $500 to watch you do it! Just don't, I'm nuts enough to rip that afro out by the handfuls or die trying! Personally, I can't stand the prick for many reasons and hope some linebacker does a Joe Theisman on him!
I cannot see the Jets touching him  
Paulie Walnuts : 2/25/2017 12:32 pm : link
with the fan base football has in NY
lots of Cops and Firemen, etc..

It would be a clown show

Romo should go to Denver, he can win immediately there

Jets would eb starter to look at a guy like Cousins and see if they can get him
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