The Mets are expected to play Michael Conforto, Wilmer Flores, Travis dArnaud, Juan Lagares and top prospect Amed Rosario. Manager, Terry Collins could not be more ready to start getting some games underway. Its time, Collins said. I think weve got to get guys out there and start playing.
piece on Viola by Rubin today. Viola will get a big league job with someone soon. His track record is too good. Hate to see him go but Warthen is pitching coach for life unless/until he retires.
I was worn out at the end of last season for some reason (probably due to all the injuries and us coming down the stretch with duct tape) but everyone's back and we seem to be much better equipped with depth this year. I also think the amount of injuries we suffered was way outside the norm of an "expected amount" in a normal year.
sort of felt the same way. So many injuries that it went from a year with huge expectations to a year where we were counting on absolute turds like James Loney. I dunno, for whatever the reason it wasn't a fun year for me Mets wise (and I've enjoyed bad seasons before).
might be BSing but he made it sound like Cespedes won't play in any road games (in ST obviously)
Plan for now is Ces and Wright to only play home games. During road games Wrig will get extra ABs in the minor league games.
Thanks Shecky. I'll be honest as HUGE of a Mets fan as I am I don't really care about big leaguers and spring training outside of "his velocity is down" or "he looks great". I don't care if they win ST games etc.
Just felt exhausting and mostly disappointing which is kind of strange considering how long we went with zero postseason appearances. There were some silver linings though that emerged from the mountain of death. lol. Gsellman, Lugo, TJ Rivera, ect all got their feet wet and performed admirably. Im expecting big things this year with all the injured returning and guys like Rosario that much closer.
Wright makes the trips either. Wouldn't make much sense with his back. Granderson, Bruce, Cabrera, and Walker might go on a few trips but probably get preferable treatment more times than not as well.
As a big spring training guy (I live here) I'd much rather see the Rosarios and Smiths anyway. Seeing a Walker take some atbats doesn't do much for me.
about pitching and competing for a title every other year holds true, the Mets are going to have a big season.
If 2 out of Harvey, Wheeler, Gsellman and Lugo stay healthy and perform like they are capable, the rotation looks rock solid with Thor, JdG and Matz at the top.
Spring training is my favorite part of the year to me, though games and specifically results are completely meaningless. Craig Brazell proved it to me years ago lol.
This is the only time of the year for the little things. Everyone is optimistic. And my favorite part of it all is the young guys getting a chance to interact with the established guys. For a true diehard fan - they have to experience a couple days of the backfields and then some spring training.
Just love the idea of adding quality players "on the cheap" that are still available. In fact I'd bring in Pagan, Blanton AND KJ but that's not happening, I'll settle for Blanton/KJ. Blanton last 2 seasons
I know he is done, still surprised an AL team didnt take a chance on him.
I was mostly talking about guys the Mets could look at but yeah Howard is still unsigned, Peavy (another guy I would look at), Lincecum, Fuld, Reimold etc
While last year completely sucked from an injury standpoint, I almost feel like it was a necessary evil. This team now, seemingly, has depth all over the place and is better equipped to sustain injuries (i.e. Lugo, Gsellman, Reyes, Rivera). The depth will allow us to get through the dog days and hopefully less injuries and I believe this team is better overall than last year.
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#Mets pitchers scheduled for today: Seth Lugo, Marcos Molina, Josh Edgin, Rafael Montero, Hansel Robles, Corey Taylor, and Logan Taylor.
And right there is exactly what I LOVE about early spring...
And the proven big leaguer coming off his standard season = the least intriguing of the day (Robles). Not that I'm that excited about Edgin but year 2 post TJ, out of options so his spring "matters".
I've always been a huge fan of these moves. Low risk, typically a good return. Problem is the roster crunch on the 40.
I'd see if I could a warm body lotto ticket from the lower minors from another team for an Edgin/Goeddel/both Riveras/Reynolds player to free up a spot for Blanton and Pagen. Prob looking at 2?$10 for each player - so ading $10mm of payroll.
I'd keep looking to move Legares AND Bruce until a fair enough deal comes along that fills another hole. That offsets the payroll. Nimmo and Conforto fill their roles with no pressure and step in when Granderson leaves.
Then if an arm does step up in the bullpen like Robles - I'd listen to offers for Reed for a deal a level below last years Chapman/Miller robberies.
I'm not expecting it, but I would love to see something click for Robles where he just 'gets it'. Always struck me as a guy who will flash and disappoint, but man would it be great if something clicked with him. I actually think it is vital that someone surprises and becomes a future great arm in the pen for the next few years.
I've always been a huge fan of these moves. Low risk, typically a good return. Problem is the roster crunch on the 40.
I'd see if I could a warm body lotto ticket from the lower minors from another team for an Edgin/Goeddel/both Riveras/Reynolds player to free up a spot for Blanton and Pagen. Prob looking at 2?$10 for each player - so ading $10mm of payroll.
I'd keep looking to move Legares AND Bruce until a fair enough deal comes along that fills another hole. That offsets the payroll. Nimmo and Conforto fill their roles with no pressure and step in when Granderson leaves.
Then if an arm does step up in the bullpen like Robles - I'd listen to offers for Reed for a deal a level below last years Chapman/Miller robberies.
But I'm not in charge - so aint happening lol
So you'd trade Reed? are you throwing in the towel on the season? Robles is your closer, and 8th inning is who? Salas? 7th inning Blevins? Or do you think Familia won't be suspended and the Mets don't need a closer?
I may have missed something you wrote and misinterpreted what you're saying, my mind is in a lot of places today, but I'm thankful you're not in charge.
I'm not expecting it, but I would love to see something click for Robles where he just 'gets it'. Always struck me as a guy who will flash and disappoint, but man would it be great if something clicked with him. I actually think it is vital that someone surprises and becomes a future great arm in the pen for the next few years.
Logan Taylor is an "extra" arm type but ya never know, a guy like that or McGowan etc can luck into 50-60 quality innings
So you'd trade Reed? are you throwing in the towel on the season? Robles is your closer, and 8th inning is who? Salas? 7th inning Blevins? Or do you think Familia won't be suspended and the Mets don't need a closer?
I may have missed something you wrote and misinterpreted what you're saying, my mind is in a lot of places today, but I'm thankful you're not in charge.
PJ - I'm glad I'm not in charge either...
I'm still skeptical of Reed repeating. I think it is imperative he is replaced. My above hypothetical is signing Blanton, and someone steps up. With hose two, I'd listen to trades when Familia returns. Hopefully Reed has "proven himself" as a closer while Familia is away - and you move him at peak value. Last year "proved" to teams that overpaying for a top BP arm is "worth it". I'd love for the Mets to be in position to take advantage of that thought.
So you'd trade Reed? are you throwing in the towel on the season? Robles is your closer, and 8th inning is who? Salas? 7th inning Blevins? Or do you think Familia won't be suspended and the Mets don't need a closer?
I may have missed something you wrote and misinterpreted what you're saying, my mind is in a lot of places today, but I'm thankful you're not in charge.
PJ - I'm glad I'm not in charge either...
I'm still skeptical of Reed repeating. I think it is imperative he is replaced. My above hypothetical is signing Blanton, and someone steps up. With hose two, I'd listen to trades when Familia returns. Hopefully Reed has "proven himself" as a closer while Familia is away - and you move him at peak value. Last year "proved" to teams that overpaying for a top BP arm is "worth it". I'd love for the Mets to be in position to take advantage of that thought.
Well I think if the Mets are sellers of someone like Reed it would be a bad sign, it would mean they're sellers.
I am not confident Reed can close, so I too was concerned about the BP, mostly while Familia is out, but also in the post-season.
I'd prefer to be buyers at the deadline and add a Miller/Chapman, that back of the bullpen can be lethal.
People forget the Mets had the lead or were tied in every WS game in 2015 except game 2. Bullpen blew them all except the one deGrom game.
The Mets begin their Grapefruit League spring training schedule Friday. Tebow, who will play in both major league and minor league exhibition games, will have a press conference three days later at the Mets' camp in Port St. Lucie to discuss his progress.-Rubin
This is now the third spring where Herrera's shoulder was an issue. The Reds bought damaged goods. Bravo to @MetsGM, sad for Dilson #Mets
That's horrible to hear. Great kid, but if it's still an issue there is clearly something wrong, whether the docs are seeing it or not. How can a young kid who isn't a pitcher have a constant sore shoulder for three years?
This is now the third spring where Herrera's shoulder was an issue. The Reds bought damaged goods. Bravo to @MetsGM, sad for Dilson #Mets
That's horrible to hear. Great kid, but if it's still an issue there is clearly something wrong, whether the docs are seeing it or not. How can a young kid who isn't a pitcher have a constant sore shoulder for three years?
I'm really surprised they haven't opted for surgery at this point. He was shut down and won't play for Colombia in the WBC
I pretty much stopped commenting about the Mets after the rash of injuries when my hopes were super high last season. The depth on this team is arguably better (check out the AAA potential position players they'll have, absolutely loaded) but I'm cautious now because of injury potentials ie wright, duda, pitchers, etc
I pretty much stopped commenting about the Mets after the rash of injuries when my hopes were super high last season. The depth on this team is arguably better (check out the AAA potential position players they'll have, absolutely loaded) but I'm cautious now because of injury potentials ie wright, duda, pitchers, etc
Injuries are part of the game but at some point it just becomes obvious the remaining talent is not even on the same level as teams still in it. I mean the Mets "healthy" roster from 2016 vs. what the Cubs were running out there was like night and day.
I'm really surprised they haven't opted for surgery at this point. He was shut down and won't play for Colombia in the WBC
Hard to elect surgery when you don't see anything wrong. I'm assuming that's still the case with the Reds. Not saying they are the same - but a parallel could be made to Montero.
Some players are more prone to worry about aches and pains. But three years of a shoulder? That's most likely a career ender for him which is horrible.
in mind this is 100% what was said last spring/early season and he had to DH because of it.
"GOODYEAR, Ariz. -- Cincinnati Reds second baseman Dilson Herrera has pulled out of his commitment to Team Colombia and the World Baseball Classic after experiencing right shoulder soreness that will prevent him from throwing for the next several days. Shoulder issues also sidelined Herrera after he was acquired by the Reds at last year's deadline.
Reds manager Bryan Price said Herrera can still hit and take grounders, and that he'll serve as the designated hitter in Saturday's Cactus League game against the Cleveland Indians in Goodyear. The 22-year-old won't resume throwing until Monday at the earliest."
I pretty much stopped commenting about the Mets after the rash of injuries when my hopes were super high last season. The depth on this team is arguably better (check out the AAA potential position players they'll have, absolutely loaded) but I'm cautious now because of injury potentials ie wright, duda, pitchers, etc
Injuries are part of the game but at some point it just becomes obvious the remaining talent is not even on the same level as teams still in it. I mean the Mets "healthy" roster from 2016 vs. what the Cubs were running out there was like night and day.
Juan Lagares, CF
T.J. Rivera, 3B
Michael Conforto, RF
Wilmer Flores, 1B
Travis dArnaud, C
Brandon Nimmo, LF
Kevin Plawecki, DH
Gavin Cecchini, 2B
Matt Reynolds, SS
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Brock Holt, SS
Andrew Benintendi, LF
Hanley Ramirez, DH
Jackie Bradley, CF
Bryce Brentz, RF
Marco Hernandez, 2B
Sandy Leon, C
Allen Craig, 1B
Josh Rutledge, 3B
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Amed Rosario hit two moon shots during BP. One over the "Green Monster," one over CF fence. Replay of live feed at http://bit.ly/1ODwU0G .
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
Absolutely none. His numbers in AA while good were not mindblowing (for comparisons sake what Rosario and Cecchini did in AA)
Rosario 142 wRC+, .389 wOBA
Cecchini 130 wRC+, .375 wOBA
His BABIP was a ridiculous .433 as well
The financial aspect makes it a done deal. 0% chance they are giving up a year of control and potentially tens of millions of dollars to have him skip a level when they already have MLB depth. He could hit .600 with 5 homers this spring and he'd still open in AAA until June the earliest.
the record I LOVE Rosario, so my comparison/comments were not meant as shots. But even if you took away the financial aspect you'd want to see a guy so freakin dominant at a level that it can't be ignored among hitters in the EL with at least 230 PA's he was 8th in wRC+ and 8th in wOBA. Good numbers but not "wow he's dominating the league" good. If Kris Bryant and the unlimited budget Cubs = opening in AAA for financial reasons then Rosario is a stone cold LOCK for AAA.
Bryant hit .295/.418/.619 with 21 homers over 70 games and the Cubs STILL had him open in AAA for $$ reasons, 164 wRC+, .439 wOBA
did in AA to what Cecchini did in AA is irrelevant to my point. Cecchini can't play SS, and doesn't have SB speed like Rosario.
Cabrera is ok at SS not awful, but his range is severely limited.
I just hate to see Rosario (and Smith for that matter) in Vegas. I don't see the point other than financial since I think some of the Vegas success could lead to bad habits.
I'd rather see both in Bing (or a normal AAA location for an East coast team) until they hit Queens than putting up video game numbers (if they do) in Vegas.
I'd let Rosario battle for SS job and if the Mets got an interesting offer I'd make that move.
Why were the Cubs able to call Bryant up in April his rookie year instead of June and keep his 4th arbitration year/6th under contract year?
Different cut off dates. 1 for extra year of arbitration (super 2) and one for service time (years of control). PJ, I'm not being a smartass im just being honest there is a 0.00% chance Rosario is a Met opening day. If Cabrera got hurt they likely would try a combination of Reyes, Reynolds and Cecchini. Teams just do not give up financial incentives like that. Even the Yankees will play the exact same "games" with their big guys when the time comes. The Mets also value AAA because it allows players to face off against MLB veterans etc. they view this as an important step, notice they "never" (there are times when there is a desperation move like Akeel Morris a few years back) but generally "never" have players skip AAA, the Marlins (as an example) on the other hand routinely do have players skip from AA
He new cba but previously it was like 2 weeks into the season for extra year of control and June-July (dates vary) for super two. Bryant hit 9 spring homers (led the league) but they sent him down for the extra year of control. Because of the Cubs budget they obviously cared less about super two and an extra year of arbitration than the Mets do/would.
Lagares BB
TJ Rivera K (1-2 count)
Conforto "well-struck" single to LCF (1-2 count)
Wilmer fielders choice to 3B, Conforto out at 2B, Lagares scores from 3B
TdA single to CF (1-0 count), Flores to 2B
Nimmo K (2-2 count) "frozen by lefty"
isn't a significant jump is foolish IMO. Whether it's Vegas or not, the pitchers are more advanced. Conforto might be one of the only cases where it made sense to skip a level (polished college bat/older) and it failed. The league adjusted and he sucked ass for months on end in the majors. If he had gone to Vegas in the first place, that may have never happened. We'll never know.
Plawecki is another example of a player who did well
Race is all hands on deck. If anything The Mets likely realize they may have rushed Conforto
Yeah, Conforto might not be the best example, but he was also 2 years older in AA than Rosario was and other than HR's they had similar stats.
Like I said, it's a point I understand, and I don't expect any agreement on, so then I'll adjust and say if I had an interesting offer for Cabrera I'd trade him (pending a strong showing by Rosario) and use the combo of Reyes Flores, Reynolds, etc. at SS then until Rosario could be called up.
Gets rid of some infield logjam, improves the team (most important key to me), and allows the Mets to use the 8+M Cabrera gets on the bullpen assuming the acquiring team takes his salary.
until the all-star break? Rosario likely isnt going to produce offensively (Cabrera level) immediately anyway. Why not let him build confidence in Vegas for a few months and prove he truly is a cut above the rest?
RE: It's not AA to AAA per se I have an issue with
I don't think it's good for Mets hitters or pitchers, especially hitters.
I think pitching is impacted in Vegas and the other extreme hitters parks in the PCL allowing hitters to get away with habits that won't work in MLB.
I could see hitters getting HR happy for sure but most of our players dont really fit that mold. Nimmo and Cheech certainly dont. They are high OBP guys with gap power. In Smith's case we actually want him to pull more so it could be a good thing. I think hitting is half mental and Vegas could certainly help confidence but again, aside from a guy like Teijeron or something... I dont really see our hitters needing huge asterisks. As for the pitching? I know nobody will agree with this but I think it actually makes pitchers better. Might be unfair but you almost have to pitch "tougher" to succeed in that environment. I think it's why so many of our pitchers have had immediate success leaving there. Working with Viola probably doesn't hurt either. I'll have to find the article but I read once that they actually admitted the PCL was harder to pitch in than the majors which I thought was crazy at the time.
and most of their career norms we had a very odd year offensively. Players like Granderson, Cabrera, and Walker dont usually have issues hitting with runners in scoring position and generally can get on base. If things balance back out to norms, the Mets should not be relying on solo HR to win games this year. We also have more depth so we wont be counting on only 2-3 decent players in the lineup like we were last year at times.
Plaw pop-up to short RF (first pitch swinging)
Cheech "long" HR over monster in LF (2-2 count) :shock:
Reynolds K on breaking ball (2-2 count)
Lagares K on curve ball (3-2 count)
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
has bulked up a bit this year. If he's moving to 2B permanently it might be a good idea.
He visually looks thicker. He looks closer to "regular" David Wright than David Wright does.
Im slowly getting on the Cheech for future 2b bandwagon. lol. Kind like that Rosario and him will be manning the middle in Vegas together. Build some familiarity.
RE: RE: Yeah but if the bat isn't ready you risk ruining
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
Hey. Anything is possible. The way things look on paper today, SS is well covered and Rosario is looking at a cup of coffee in September but that's today. What if Rosario get's to Vegas and just completely goes off? Like Conforto in a short stint last year but over a month or so with gold glove D day after day?? Law has him as the number 3 prospect in baseball. In a situation like that you could certainly see pressure build to force something if he's "that" insane there.
to dump on Rosario at all but his average came with a ridiculous.... i mean ridiculous .433 BABIP for context the greatest career BABIP in major league history belongs to Ty Cobb (.383). Walk rate needs work (8% vs. AA pitching). Bottom line is he's not a finished product and the Mets are in position to wait until he is.
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
Right, but he's 21 years old (all season). Normalize the BABIP, and allow improvement for age.
with a single. 2-2. Not hating at all but the issue has been TDA's long swing, Kyle Kendrick top off at 90 mph. Good velocity SP is something to look for this spring vs. TDA. Obviously 2-2 is 2-2.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
Yeah I wouldn't expect it soon. Was thinking late in the year actually if he performs well across multiple levels and there's a need.
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Marcos Molina just carved up Andrew Benintendi, Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. in order. Two perfect innings for the Mets prospect.
A stud prospect, a top MLB hitter and a guy sort of in-between those 2 labels lol
Plan for now is Ces and Wright to only play home games. During road games Wrig will get extra ABs in the minor league games.
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might be BSing but he made it sound like Cespedes won't play in any road games (in ST obviously)
Plan for now is Ces and Wright to only play home games. During road games Wrig will get extra ABs in the minor league games.
Thanks Shecky. I'll be honest as HUGE of a Mets fan as I am I don't really care about big leaguers and spring training outside of "his velocity is down" or "he looks great". I don't care if they win ST games etc.
As a big spring training guy (I live here) I'd much rather see the Rosarios and Smiths anyway. Seeing a Walker take some atbats doesn't do much for me.
If 2 out of Harvey, Wheeler, Gsellman and Lugo stay healthy and perform like they are capable, the rotation looks rock solid with Thor, JdG and Matz at the top.
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This is the only time of the year for the little things. Everyone is optimistic. And my favorite part of it all is the young guys getting a chance to interact with the established guys. For a true diehard fan - they have to experience a couple days of the backfields and then some spring training.
Just love the idea of adding quality players "on the cheap" that are still available. In fact I'd bring in Pagan, Blanton AND KJ but that's not happening, I'll settle for Blanton/KJ. Blanton last 2 seasons
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Ummm.... Ryan Howard?
I know he is done, still surprised an AL team didnt take a chance on him.
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Ummm.... Ryan Howard?
I know he is done, still surprised an AL team didnt take a chance on him.
I was mostly talking about guys the Mets could look at but yeah Howard is still unsigned, Peavy (another guy I would look at), Lincecum, Fuld, Reimold etc
I think he's completely done but if he's willing to go to AAA then I'd be open to basically anyone with previous success. Much prefer Peavy though.
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#Mets pitchers scheduled for today: Seth Lugo, Marcos Molina, Josh Edgin, Rafael Montero, Hansel Robles, Corey Taylor, and Logan Taylor.
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#Mets pitchers scheduled for today: Seth Lugo, Marcos Molina, Josh Edgin, Rafael Montero, Hansel Robles, Corey Taylor, and Logan Taylor.
And right there is exactly what I LOVE about early spring...
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#Mets pitchers scheduled for today: Seth Lugo, Marcos Molina, Josh Edgin, Rafael Montero, Hansel Robles, Corey Taylor, and Logan Taylor.
And right there is exactly what I LOVE about early spring...
And the proven big leaguer coming off his standard season = the least intriguing of the day (Robles). Not that I'm that excited about Edgin but year 2 post TJ, out of options so his spring "matters".
I'd see if I could a warm body lotto ticket from the lower minors from another team for an Edgin/Goeddel/both Riveras/Reynolds player to free up a spot for Blanton and Pagen. Prob looking at 2?$10 for each player - so ading $10mm of payroll.
I'd keep looking to move Legares AND Bruce until a fair enough deal comes along that fills another hole. That offsets the payroll. Nimmo and Conforto fill their roles with no pressure and step in when Granderson leaves.
Then if an arm does step up in the bullpen like Robles - I'd listen to offers for Reed for a deal a level below last years Chapman/Miller robberies.
But I'm not in charge - so aint happening lol
I'd see if I could a warm body lotto ticket from the lower minors from another team for an Edgin/Goeddel/both Riveras/Reynolds player to free up a spot for Blanton and Pagen. Prob looking at 2?$10 for each player - so ading $10mm of payroll.
I'd keep looking to move Legares AND Bruce until a fair enough deal comes along that fills another hole. That offsets the payroll. Nimmo and Conforto fill their roles with no pressure and step in when Granderson leaves.
Then if an arm does step up in the bullpen like Robles - I'd listen to offers for Reed for a deal a level below last years Chapman/Miller robberies.
But I'm not in charge - so aint happening lol
So you'd trade Reed? are you throwing in the towel on the season? Robles is your closer, and 8th inning is who? Salas? 7th inning Blevins? Or do you think Familia won't be suspended and the Mets don't need a closer?
I may have missed something you wrote and misinterpreted what you're saying, my mind is in a lot of places today, but I'm thankful you're not in charge.
Logan Taylor is an "extra" arm type but ya never know, a guy like that or McGowan etc can luck into 50-60 quality innings
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Rosario
C. Taylor
L. Taylor
McGowan
Smith
Becerra (extreme long shot)
Evans
Knapp
Conlon
Sewald
Bashlor
Roseboom
McNeil
Guillorme
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So you'd trade Reed? are you throwing in the towel on the season? Robles is your closer, and 8th inning is who? Salas? 7th inning Blevins? Or do you think Familia won't be suspended and the Mets don't need a closer?
I may have missed something you wrote and misinterpreted what you're saying, my mind is in a lot of places today, but I'm thankful you're not in charge.
PJ - I'm glad I'm not in charge either...
I'm still skeptical of Reed repeating. I think it is imperative he is replaced. My above hypothetical is signing Blanton, and someone steps up. With hose two, I'd listen to trades when Familia returns. Hopefully Reed has "proven himself" as a closer while Familia is away - and you move him at peak value. Last year "proved" to teams that overpaying for a top BP arm is "worth it". I'd love for the Mets to be in position to take advantage of that thought.
This is now the third spring where Herrera's shoulder was an issue. The Reds bought damaged goods. Bravo to @MetsGM, sad for Dilson #Mets
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So you'd trade Reed? are you throwing in the towel on the season? Robles is your closer, and 8th inning is who? Salas? 7th inning Blevins? Or do you think Familia won't be suspended and the Mets don't need a closer?
I may have missed something you wrote and misinterpreted what you're saying, my mind is in a lot of places today, but I'm thankful you're not in charge.
PJ - I'm glad I'm not in charge either...
I'm still skeptical of Reed repeating. I think it is imperative he is replaced. My above hypothetical is signing Blanton, and someone steps up. With hose two, I'd listen to trades when Familia returns. Hopefully Reed has "proven himself" as a closer while Familia is away - and you move him at peak value. Last year "proved" to teams that overpaying for a top BP arm is "worth it". I'd love for the Mets to be in position to take advantage of that thought.
Well I think if the Mets are sellers of someone like Reed it would be a bad sign, it would mean they're sellers.
I am not confident Reed can close, so I too was concerned about the BP, mostly while Familia is out, but also in the post-season.
I'd prefer to be buyers at the deadline and add a Miller/Chapman, that back of the bullpen can be lethal.
People forget the Mets had the lead or were tied in every WS game in 2015 except game 2. Bullpen blew them all except the one deGrom game.
The Mets begin their Grapefruit League spring training schedule Friday. Tebow, who will play in both major league and minor league exhibition games, will have a press conference three days later at the Mets' camp in Port St. Lucie to discuss his progress.-Rubin
This is now the third spring where Herrera's shoulder was an issue. The Reds bought damaged goods. Bravo to @MetsGM, sad for Dilson #Mets
That's horrible to hear. Great kid, but if it's still an issue there is clearly something wrong, whether the docs are seeing it or not. How can a young kid who isn't a pitcher have a constant sore shoulder for three years?
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This is now the third spring where Herrera's shoulder was an issue. The Reds bought damaged goods. Bravo to @MetsGM, sad for Dilson #Mets
That's horrible to hear. Great kid, but if it's still an issue there is clearly something wrong, whether the docs are seeing it or not. How can a young kid who isn't a pitcher have a constant sore shoulder for three years?
I'm really surprised they haven't opted for surgery at this point. He was shut down and won't play for Colombia in the WBC
Injuries are part of the game but at some point it just becomes obvious the remaining talent is not even on the same level as teams still in it. I mean the Mets "healthy" roster from 2016 vs. what the Cubs were running out there was like night and day.
Hard to elect surgery when you don't see anything wrong. I'm assuming that's still the case with the Reds. Not saying they are the same - but a parallel could be made to Montero.
Some players are more prone to worry about aches and pains. But three years of a shoulder? That's most likely a career ender for him which is horrible.
This is now the third spring where Herrera's shoulder was an issue. The Reds bought damaged goods. Bravo to @MetsGM, sad for Dilson #Mets
Is there a blurb on this somewhere that he's out?
"GOODYEAR, Ariz. -- Cincinnati Reds second baseman Dilson Herrera has pulled out of his commitment to Team Colombia and the World Baseball Classic after experiencing right shoulder soreness that will prevent him from throwing for the next several days. Shoulder issues also sidelined Herrera after he was acquired by the Reds at last year's deadline.
Reds manager Bryan Price said Herrera can still hit and take grounders, and that he'll serve as the designated hitter in Saturday's Cactus League game against the Cleveland Indians in Goodyear. The 22-year-old won't resume throwing until Monday at the earliest."
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I pretty much stopped commenting about the Mets after the rash of injuries when my hopes were super high last season. The depth on this team is arguably better (check out the AAA potential position players they'll have, absolutely loaded) but I'm cautious now because of injury potentials ie wright, duda, pitchers, etc
Injuries are part of the game but at some point it just becomes obvious the remaining talent is not even on the same level as teams still in it. I mean the Mets "healthy" roster from 2016 vs. what the Cubs were running out there was like night and day.
no question...
Juan Lagares, CF
T.J. Rivera, 3B
Michael Conforto, RF
Wilmer Flores, 1B
Travis dArnaud, C
Brandon Nimmo, LF
Kevin Plawecki, DH
Gavin Cecchini, 2B
Matt Reynolds, SS
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Brock Holt, SS
Andrew Benintendi, LF
Hanley Ramirez, DH
Jackie Bradley, CF
Bryce Brentz, RF
Marco Hernandez, 2B
Sandy Leon, C
Allen Craig, 1B
Josh Rutledge, 3B
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Amed Rosario hit two moon shots during BP. One over the "Green Monster," one over CF fence. Replay of live feed at http://bit.ly/1ODwU0G .
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
Absolutely none. His numbers in AA while good were not mindblowing (for comparisons sake what Rosario and Cecchini did in AA)
Rosario 142 wRC+, .389 wOBA
Cecchini 130 wRC+, .375 wOBA
His BABIP was a ridiculous .433 as well
The financial aspect makes it a done deal. 0% chance they are giving up a year of control and potentially tens of millions of dollars to have him skip a level when they already have MLB depth. He could hit .600 with 5 homers this spring and he'd still open in AAA until June the earliest.
Bryant hit .295/.418/.619 with 21 homers over 70 games and the Cubs STILL had him open in AAA for $$ reasons, 164 wRC+, .439 wOBA
Cabrera is ok at SS not awful, but his range is severely limited.
I just hate to see Rosario (and Smith for that matter) in Vegas. I don't see the point other than financial since I think some of the Vegas success could lead to bad habits.
I'd rather see both in Bing (or a normal AAA location for an East coast team) until they hit Queens than putting up video game numbers (if they do) in Vegas.
I'd let Rosario battle for SS job and if the Mets got an interesting offer I'd make that move.
Why were the Cubs able to call Bryant up in April his rookie year instead of June and keep his 4th arbitration year/6th under contract year?
I'm just looking to put the best team on the field.
Lagares BB
TJ Rivera K (1-2 count)
Conforto "well-struck" single to LCF (1-2 count)
Wilmer fielders choice to 3B, Conforto out at 2B, Lagares scores from 3B
TdA single to CF (1-0 count), Flores to 2B
Nimmo K (2-2 count) "frozen by lefty"
Yeah, Conforto might not be the best example, but he was also 2 years older in AA than Rosario was and other than HR's they had similar stats.
Like I said, it's a point I understand, and I don't expect any agreement on, so then I'll adjust and say if I had an interesting offer for Cabrera I'd trade him (pending a strong showing by Rosario) and use the combo of Reyes Flores, Reynolds, etc. at SS then until Rosario could be called up.
Gets rid of some infield logjam, improves the team (most important key to me), and allows the Mets to use the 8+M Cabrera gets on the bullpen assuming the acquiring team takes his salary.
I don't think it's good for Mets hitters or pitchers, especially hitters.
I think pitching is impacted in Vegas and the other extreme hitters parks in the PCL allowing hitters to get away with habits that won't work in MLB.
I don't think it's good for Mets hitters or pitchers, especially hitters.
I think pitching is impacted in Vegas and the other extreme hitters parks in the PCL allowing hitters to get away with habits that won't work in MLB.
I could see hitters getting HR happy for sure but most of our players dont really fit that mold. Nimmo and Cheech certainly dont. They are high OBP guys with gap power. In Smith's case we actually want him to pull more so it could be a good thing. I think hitting is half mental and Vegas could certainly help confidence but again, aside from a guy like Teijeron or something... I dont really see our hitters needing huge asterisks. As for the pitching? I know nobody will agree with this but I think it actually makes pitchers better. Might be unfair but you almost have to pitch "tougher" to succeed in that environment. I think it's why so many of our pitchers have had immediate success leaving there. Working with Viola probably doesn't hurt either. I'll have to find the article but I read once that they actually admitted the PCL was harder to pitch in than the majors which I thought was crazy at the time.
David Wright led the Mets with 3 SB's last year in mid-August until Reyes stole his 4th base as a Met.
Speed and defense. Both areas Rosario has a skill set the Mets lack.
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Plaw pop-up to short RF (first pitch swinging)
Cheech "long" HR over monster in LF (2-2 count) :shock:
Reynolds K on breaking ball (2-2 count)
Lagares K on curve ball (3-2 count)
He visually looks thicker. He looks closer to "regular" David Wright than David Wright does.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
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has bulked up a bit this year. If he's moving to 2B permanently it might be a good idea.
He visually looks thicker. He looks closer to "regular" David Wright than David Wright does.
Im slowly getting on the Cheech for future 2b bandwagon. lol. Kind like that Rosario and him will be manning the middle in Vegas together. Build some familiarity.
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a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
Hey. Anything is possible. The way things look on paper today, SS is well covered and Rosario is looking at a cup of coffee in September but that's today. What if Rosario get's to Vegas and just completely goes off? Like Conforto in a short stint last year but over a month or so with gold glove D day after day?? Law has him as the number 3 prospect in baseball. In a situation like that you could certainly see pressure build to force something if he's "that" insane there.
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a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
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Plaw pop-up to short RF (first pitch swinging)
Ball would have gone 600 feet till that brief, incredibly strong gust of wind pushed it back!
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a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
Right, but he's 21 years old (all season). Normalize the BABIP, and allow improvement for age.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
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the pen at some point.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
Yeah I wouldn't expect it soon. Was thinking late in the year actually if he performs well across multiple levels and there's a need.
Marcos Molina just carved up Andrew Benintendi, Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. in order. Two perfect innings for the Mets prospect.
Marcos Molina just carved up Andrew Benintendi, Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. in order. Two perfect innings for the Mets prospect.
A stud prospect, a top MLB hitter and a guy sort of in-between those 2 labels lol
Really wish we had some video of Molina. Mechanics looked better in AFL.
And makes the first play, routine out
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Very good timing Z
A bunch of the real young kids put in like Nino and Stuart
LF Babe Kelly
C Nido
SS Rosario
3b Evans
2B Guillorme
that's a big dude.
LF Babe Kelly
C Nido
SS Rosario
3b Evans
2B Guillorme
Stuart in CF too.
not any more for the Yankees, I have that game on mlb channel
Gary Cohen????
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A hittttt for Plaw!!!!!
A hittttt for Plaw!!!!!
Im pretty sure you're his uncle lol.
You missed it - the chosen one led off with a hit....
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Josh Edgin has allowed a 2-run homer to a lefty named Brian Bogusevic, who had 3 dingers in Japan last year.