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Amed Rosario hit two moon shots during BP. One over the "Green Monster," one over CF fence. Replay of live feed at http://bit.ly/1ODwU0G .
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
Absolutely none. His numbers in AA while good were not mindblowing (for comparisons sake what Rosario and Cecchini did in AA)
Rosario 142 wRC+, .389 wOBA
Cecchini 130 wRC+, .375 wOBA
His BABIP was a ridiculous .433 as well
The financial aspect makes it a done deal. 0% chance they are giving up a year of control and potentially tens of millions of dollars to have him skip a level when they already have MLB depth. He could hit .600 with 5 homers this spring and he'd still open in AAA until June the earliest.
the record I LOVE Rosario, so my comparison/comments were not meant as shots. But even if you took away the financial aspect you'd want to see a guy so freakin dominant at a level that it can't be ignored among hitters in the EL with at least 230 PA's he was 8th in wRC+ and 8th in wOBA. Good numbers but not "wow he's dominating the league" good. If Kris Bryant and the unlimited budget Cubs = opening in AAA for financial reasons then Rosario is a stone cold LOCK for AAA.
Bryant hit .295/.418/.619 with 21 homers over 70 games and the Cubs STILL had him open in AAA for $$ reasons, 164 wRC+, .439 wOBA
did in AA to what Cecchini did in AA is irrelevant to my point. Cecchini can't play SS, and doesn't have SB speed like Rosario.
Cabrera is ok at SS not awful, but his range is severely limited.
I just hate to see Rosario (and Smith for that matter) in Vegas. I don't see the point other than financial since I think some of the Vegas success could lead to bad habits.
I'd rather see both in Bing (or a normal AAA location for an East coast team) until they hit Queens than putting up video game numbers (if they do) in Vegas.
I'd let Rosario battle for SS job and if the Mets got an interesting offer I'd make that move.
Why were the Cubs able to call Bryant up in April his rookie year instead of June and keep his 4th arbitration year/6th under contract year?
Different cut off dates. 1 for extra year of arbitration (super 2) and one for service time (years of control). PJ, I'm not being a smartass im just being honest there is a 0.00% chance Rosario is a Met opening day. If Cabrera got hurt they likely would try a combination of Reyes, Reynolds and Cecchini. Teams just do not give up financial incentives like that. Even the Yankees will play the exact same "games" with their big guys when the time comes. The Mets also value AAA because it allows players to face off against MLB veterans etc. they view this as an important step, notice they "never" (there are times when there is a desperation move like Akeel Morris a few years back) but generally "never" have players skip AAA, the Marlins (as an example) on the other hand routinely do have players skip from AA
He new cba but previously it was like 2 weeks into the season for extra year of control and June-July (dates vary) for super two. Bryant hit 9 spring homers (led the league) but they sent him down for the extra year of control. Because of the Cubs budget they obviously cared less about super two and an extra year of arbitration than the Mets do/would.
Lagares BB
TJ Rivera K (1-2 count)
Conforto "well-struck" single to LCF (1-2 count)
Wilmer fielders choice to 3B, Conforto out at 2B, Lagares scores from 3B
TdA single to CF (1-0 count), Flores to 2B
Nimmo K (2-2 count) "frozen by lefty"
isn't a significant jump is foolish IMO. Whether it's Vegas or not, the pitchers are more advanced. Conforto might be one of the only cases where it made sense to skip a level (polished college bat/older) and it failed. The league adjusted and he sucked ass for months on end in the majors. If he had gone to Vegas in the first place, that may have never happened. We'll never know.
Plawecki is another example of a player who did well
Race is all hands on deck. If anything The Mets likely realize they may have rushed Conforto
Yeah, Conforto might not be the best example, but he was also 2 years older in AA than Rosario was and other than HR's they had similar stats.
Like I said, it's a point I understand, and I don't expect any agreement on, so then I'll adjust and say if I had an interesting offer for Cabrera I'd trade him (pending a strong showing by Rosario) and use the combo of Reyes Flores, Reynolds, etc. at SS then until Rosario could be called up.
Gets rid of some infield logjam, improves the team (most important key to me), and allows the Mets to use the 8+M Cabrera gets on the bullpen assuming the acquiring team takes his salary.
until the all-star break? Rosario likely isnt going to produce offensively (Cabrera level) immediately anyway. Why not let him build confidence in Vegas for a few months and prove he truly is a cut above the rest?
RE: It's not AA to AAA per se I have an issue with
I don't think it's good for Mets hitters or pitchers, especially hitters.
I think pitching is impacted in Vegas and the other extreme hitters parks in the PCL allowing hitters to get away with habits that won't work in MLB.
I could see hitters getting HR happy for sure but most of our players dont really fit that mold. Nimmo and Cheech certainly dont. They are high OBP guys with gap power. In Smith's case we actually want him to pull more so it could be a good thing. I think hitting is half mental and Vegas could certainly help confidence but again, aside from a guy like Teijeron or something... I dont really see our hitters needing huge asterisks. As for the pitching? I know nobody will agree with this but I think it actually makes pitchers better. Might be unfair but you almost have to pitch "tougher" to succeed in that environment. I think it's why so many of our pitchers have had immediate success leaving there. Working with Viola probably doesn't hurt either. I'll have to find the article but I read once that they actually admitted the PCL was harder to pitch in than the majors which I thought was crazy at the time.
and most of their career norms we had a very odd year offensively. Players like Granderson, Cabrera, and Walker dont usually have issues hitting with runners in scoring position and generally can get on base. If things balance back out to norms, the Mets should not be relying on solo HR to win games this year. We also have more depth so we wont be counting on only 2-3 decent players in the lineup like we were last year at times.
Plaw pop-up to short RF (first pitch swinging)
Cheech "long" HR over monster in LF (2-2 count) :shock:
Reynolds K on breaking ball (2-2 count)
Lagares K on curve ball (3-2 count)
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
has bulked up a bit this year. If he's moving to 2B permanently it might be a good idea.
He visually looks thicker. He looks closer to "regular" David Wright than David Wright does.
Im slowly getting on the Cheech for future 2b bandwagon. lol. Kind like that Rosario and him will be manning the middle in Vegas together. Build some familiarity.
RE: RE: Yeah but if the bat isn't ready you risk ruining
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
Hey. Anything is possible. The way things look on paper today, SS is well covered and Rosario is looking at a cup of coffee in September but that's today. What if Rosario get's to Vegas and just completely goes off? Like Conforto in a short stint last year but over a month or so with gold glove D day after day?? Law has him as the number 3 prospect in baseball. In a situation like that you could certainly see pressure build to force something if he's "that" insane there.
to dump on Rosario at all but his average came with a ridiculous.... i mean ridiculous .433 BABIP for context the greatest career BABIP in major league history belongs to Ty Cobb (.383). Walk rate needs work (8% vs. AA pitching). Bottom line is he's not a finished product and the Mets are in position to wait until he is.
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
Right, but he's 21 years old (all season). Normalize the BABIP, and allow improvement for age.
with a single. 2-2. Not hating at all but the issue has been TDA's long swing, Kyle Kendrick top off at 90 mph. Good velocity SP is something to look for this spring vs. TDA. Obviously 2-2 is 2-2.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
Yeah I wouldn't expect it soon. Was thinking late in the year actually if he performs well across multiple levels and there's a need.
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Marcos Molina just carved up Andrew Benintendi, Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. in order. Two perfect innings for the Mets prospect.
A stud prospect, a top MLB hitter and a guy sort of in-between those 2 labels lol
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Amed Rosario hit two moon shots during BP. One over the "Green Monster," one over CF fence. Replay of live feed at http://bit.ly/1ODwU0G .
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
I know it doesn't make financial sense, but he's probably better defensively than Cabrera today, and SB's are a major problem for the Mets even with Reyes.
I think you can make a case if Rosario's bat is simply "good enough" that the Mets are better with Rosario than Cabrera.
I know last fall I made the same suggestion (and no one agreed with me then or probably will now), but reading about his BP power makes me think trading Cabrera could shed the necessary payroll to complete the team (April 3 - complete - not complete complete).
Absolutely none. His numbers in AA while good were not mindblowing (for comparisons sake what Rosario and Cecchini did in AA)
Rosario 142 wRC+, .389 wOBA
Cecchini 130 wRC+, .375 wOBA
His BABIP was a ridiculous .433 as well
The financial aspect makes it a done deal. 0% chance they are giving up a year of control and potentially tens of millions of dollars to have him skip a level when they already have MLB depth. He could hit .600 with 5 homers this spring and he'd still open in AAA until June the earliest.
Bryant hit .295/.418/.619 with 21 homers over 70 games and the Cubs STILL had him open in AAA for $$ reasons, 164 wRC+, .439 wOBA
Cabrera is ok at SS not awful, but his range is severely limited.
I just hate to see Rosario (and Smith for that matter) in Vegas. I don't see the point other than financial since I think some of the Vegas success could lead to bad habits.
I'd rather see both in Bing (or a normal AAA location for an East coast team) until they hit Queens than putting up video game numbers (if they do) in Vegas.
I'd let Rosario battle for SS job and if the Mets got an interesting offer I'd make that move.
Why were the Cubs able to call Bryant up in April his rookie year instead of June and keep his 4th arbitration year/6th under contract year?
I'm just looking to put the best team on the field.
Lagares BB
TJ Rivera K (1-2 count)
Conforto "well-struck" single to LCF (1-2 count)
Wilmer fielders choice to 3B, Conforto out at 2B, Lagares scores from 3B
TdA single to CF (1-0 count), Flores to 2B
Nimmo K (2-2 count) "frozen by lefty"
Yeah, Conforto might not be the best example, but he was also 2 years older in AA than Rosario was and other than HR's they had similar stats.
Like I said, it's a point I understand, and I don't expect any agreement on, so then I'll adjust and say if I had an interesting offer for Cabrera I'd trade him (pending a strong showing by Rosario) and use the combo of Reyes Flores, Reynolds, etc. at SS then until Rosario could be called up.
Gets rid of some infield logjam, improves the team (most important key to me), and allows the Mets to use the 8+M Cabrera gets on the bullpen assuming the acquiring team takes his salary.
I don't think it's good for Mets hitters or pitchers, especially hitters.
I think pitching is impacted in Vegas and the other extreme hitters parks in the PCL allowing hitters to get away with habits that won't work in MLB.
I don't think it's good for Mets hitters or pitchers, especially hitters.
I think pitching is impacted in Vegas and the other extreme hitters parks in the PCL allowing hitters to get away with habits that won't work in MLB.
I could see hitters getting HR happy for sure but most of our players dont really fit that mold. Nimmo and Cheech certainly dont. They are high OBP guys with gap power. In Smith's case we actually want him to pull more so it could be a good thing. I think hitting is half mental and Vegas could certainly help confidence but again, aside from a guy like Teijeron or something... I dont really see our hitters needing huge asterisks. As for the pitching? I know nobody will agree with this but I think it actually makes pitchers better. Might be unfair but you almost have to pitch "tougher" to succeed in that environment. I think it's why so many of our pitchers have had immediate success leaving there. Working with Viola probably doesn't hurt either. I'll have to find the article but I read once that they actually admitted the PCL was harder to pitch in than the majors which I thought was crazy at the time.
David Wright led the Mets with 3 SB's last year in mid-August until Reyes stole his 4th base as a Met.
Speed and defense. Both areas Rosario has a skill set the Mets lack.
Top 2:
Plaw pop-up to short RF (first pitch swinging)
Cheech "long" HR over monster in LF (2-2 count) :shock:
Reynolds K on breaking ball (2-2 count)
Lagares K on curve ball (3-2 count)
He visually looks thicker. He looks closer to "regular" David Wright than David Wright does.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
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has bulked up a bit this year. If he's moving to 2B permanently it might be a good idea.
He visually looks thicker. He looks closer to "regular" David Wright than David Wright does.
Im slowly getting on the Cheech for future 2b bandwagon. lol. Kind like that Rosario and him will be manning the middle in Vegas together. Build some familiarity.
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a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
Hey. Anything is possible. The way things look on paper today, SS is well covered and Rosario is looking at a cup of coffee in September but that's today. What if Rosario get's to Vegas and just completely goes off? Like Conforto in a short stint last year but over a month or so with gold glove D day after day?? Law has him as the number 3 prospect in baseball. In a situation like that you could certainly see pressure build to force something if he's "that" insane there.
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a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
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Plaw pop-up to short RF (first pitch swinging)
Ball would have gone 600 feet till that brief, incredibly strong gust of wind pushed it back!
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a potential star. As Dan said, his numbers weren't THAT impressive for AA anyway.
It would have to be the right decision for him and the Mets, and it sounds like financially it never will be the right decision until post Super 2 cut off.
And Rosario was 20 in AA this past year, not sure if that changes the impressiveness. batting .341 (SSS acknowledged) in AA at 20 years old with an .874 OPS sounds impressive.
In either case my goal for this year would be take advantage of the healthy rotation and instead of worrying about paying Rosario in 2022 or 2023 I'd worry about the first 10 - 12 weeks of 2017 and make my decision that way.
Win the division, not the wild card, and I'd be making roster decisions that way.
More Dave Dombrowski less conservativism - not reckless, but urgent is a word I'd use.
.874 OPS with a .433 BABIP and that still "only" ranked 8th in the league in OPS and obviously the OBP was inflated by the ridiculous BABIP.
Right, but he's 21 years old (all season). Normalize the BABIP, and allow improvement for age.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
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the pen at some point.
Maybe second half but to start the season they are likely going to baby him so things like back to back or multiple times per week aren't really an option which is what a reliever would need to do.
Yeah I wouldn't expect it soon. Was thinking late in the year actually if he performs well across multiple levels and there's a need.
Marcos Molina just carved up Andrew Benintendi, Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. in order. Two perfect innings for the Mets prospect.
Marcos Molina just carved up Andrew Benintendi, Hanley Ramirez and Jackie Bradley Jr. in order. Two perfect innings for the Mets prospect.
A stud prospect, a top MLB hitter and a guy sort of in-between those 2 labels lol
Really wish we had some video of Molina. Mechanics looked better in AFL.