NFT: Knicks Chat 2/24

In comment 13370906 bceagle05 said:

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I don't mind the Knicks passing on the Rubio deal, but I was already celebrating not having to see Rose in a Knicks uniform ever again. Now we're stuck with him for 24 more games.

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In comment 13370902 Sgrcts said:

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In comment 13370891 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: Team. I guarantee you that the FA market for Rose will not be friendly to him. He's 100% taking a huge pay cut.

Yeah, but he'll still get away happy. He won't get a big contract but his play and behavior tells me he's already accepted that.

Im really not so sure. We all want to rebuild. Has anyone heard Phil or Dolan say we will rebuild?

How much more evidence do we need that he's not driven to chase championships. Him signing his second contract with the Knicks should have been proof enough for everyone.

and bulls offered you butler, do you do it?

or do you draft ball or fulz and eatch them grow with kp?

In comment 13370977 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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How much more evidence do we need that he's not driven to chase championships. Him signing his second contract with the Knicks should have been proof enough for everyone.

i think he wanted the knicks to make a win now trade and they did not do it and now he is frustrated...

i think he is starting to feel like the knicks want to build around kp and not him, which they should now..

sorry melo knicks tried these past 2 years, didnt work time to work with the youth and build..

In comment 13370962 Deej said:

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Im really not so sure. We all want to rebuild. Has anyone heard Phil or Dolan say we will rebuild?

Unfortunately, we haven't heard Phil say anything at all. Which is a joke. Im not sure how accurate it is, but some chick on ESPN the other day said something about Phil not meeting with the press since November.

Dude has the best job on the planet. He could leave the country for a year and nobody would know. And Dolan said that he absolutely will not opt out of Phil's contract, no matter what happens. Whether he's good or bad. Because hes trying to give any potential GMs in the future a sense of security with the job.

Remember how many years Layden and Thomas got. When he likes you, you're dug in safely.

The only guy he was happy to run off asap was the guy he didn't really want to hire and probably wasn't buddy-buddy with, Walsh.

Dolan and Phil have probably already been on a peyote and muddy waters trip or two.

In comment 13370906 bceagle05 said:

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I don't mind the Knicks passing on the Rubio deal, but I was already celebrating not having to see Rose in a Knicks uniform ever again. Now we're stuck with him for 24 more games.

That's how I felt too. Couldn't blame the Knicks but was curious to see Rubio and elated at the prospects of jettisoning rose.

a Brad Stevens?

and phoenix is winning would be big for the tank

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In comment 13371040 bigbluehoya said:

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a Brad Stevens?

Brad Stevens wouldn't win here either. No coach would actually be allowed to run the basketball portion of the franchise with this clown show.

over Shaq making fun of Javale McGee on his TNT segment

"Javale works extremely hard, has come in here and done extremely well as a player. He only wants to be respected like anyone else. I understand that Shaq works for a company that wants him to do that kind of stuff, make fun of players. It's cool, it's funny, but when you keep doing it time and time again, a guy actually disagrees with you and you threaten him. I didn't know cops could threaten civilians like that. It's definitely childish. But that's what they want from these stars and these retired players is to feud with the guy who's playing now and make arguments and disagreements. If I was Javale I'd feel the same way. It's childish."

Then Durant goes in on Shaq as a player:

"It is, it is. Shaq wants to make a joke about it. But if it was him in that position, he'd feel the same way. We wouldn't call him a bum and all this because he's such a great player obviously. But still, everyone can't be Shaq. He's trying to make his money and enjoy the game of basketball and the perception of him now is that he's a dumb player because he makes mistakes out there on the court. Shaq was a shitty free throw shooter, he missed dunks, he couldn't shoot outside the paint. He was bigger than everyone, didn't have no skill, bigger and stronger than everyone. Still a great player, but you had your flaws as a player and you played on five or six teams too. So it's not like he's some perfect center. You had your flaws too. I didn't know cops could go on twitter and threaten civilians like that. I'm glad Javale challenged him."

Then Shaq goes after Durant:

Tells Durant to mind his business, this isn't for him. I understand you're sticking up for your teammate but your boy Javale McGee is still a bum. He started it and I'm going to finish it...

I think it's a little ridiculous from Shaq to be perfectly honest

Knicks in 8th. Have game out of 5th.

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In comment 13371067 dpinzow said:

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"Javale works extremely hard, has come in here and done extremely well as a player. He only wants to be respected like anyone else. I understand that Shaq works for a company that wants him to do that kind of stuff, make fun of players. It's cool, it's funny, but when you keep doing it time and time again, a guy actually disagrees with you and you threaten him. I didn't know cops could threaten civilians like that. It's definitely childish. But that's what they want from these stars and these retired players is to feud with the guy who's playing now and make arguments and disagreements. If I was Javale I'd feel the same way. It's childish." Then Durant goes in on Shaq as a player: "It is, it is. Shaq wants to make a joke about it. But if it was him in that position, he'd feel the same way. We wouldn't call him a bum and all this because he's such a great player obviously. But still, everyone can't be Shaq. He's trying to make his money and enjoy the game of basketball and the perception of him now is that he's a dumb player because he makes mistakes out there on the court. Shaq was a shitty free throw shooter, he missed dunks, he couldn't shoot outside the paint. He was bigger than everyone, didn't have no skill, bigger and stronger than everyone. Still a great player, but you had your flaws as a player and you played on five or six teams too. So it's not like he's some perfect center. You had your flaws too. I didn't know cops could go on twitter and threaten civilians like that. I'm glad Javale challenged him." Then Shaq goes after Durant: Tells Durant to mind his business, this isn't for him. I understand you're sticking up for your teammate but your boy Javale McGee is still a bum. He started it and I'm going to finish it... I think it's a little ridiculous from Shaq to be perfectly honest

Maybe Durant should win something before he starts criticizing what Shaq did during his time in the league. During his prime he was one of the most dominant forces the NBA has ever seen.

In comment 13371070 Carl in CT said:

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Knicks in 8th. Have game out of 5th.

Yup. Would be a shame if philly and dallas won today.

that durant is now a champion and should be mentioned with the greats, he ring xhased in the prime of his career, which he has every right to do, but he should never be mentioned with any of the greats when it comes to championships...

In comment 13371136 nygiants16 said:

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that durant is now a champion and should be mentioned with the greats, he ring xhased in the prime of his career, which he has every right to do, but he should never be mentioned with any of the greats when it comes to championships...

You don't have to convince me to hate on Durant, but when it's said and done I don't think I can name more than 10-15 players I'd take over him. His only real flaw is that he's not as good of a passer as Lebron. Not even sure that can be a real flaw.

I don't think how he got one matters. It's not as if this would be the only time he's gotten to the finals.

It would be like saying Ewing wasn't an all time great.

KG in Boston and Lebron in Miami. Now 5 years later it's hard to find people who don't think Lebron is one of the best to ever do it, likely 2nd best of all time. If the Warriors win like 3 or 4 straight I think there will be a legitimate argument for KD over Kobe (for non-Lakers fans). Sure, right now it's ludicrous to make that case based on career achievements right now, but if you talk about a rim protector who knocks down 3s at a 40% clip and facilitates an offense its hard to draw many comps. You're in Lebron/micha territory at that point.

i look at it like this, would james be looked at as one of the greatest ever without the rings?

that is my point, durant is a hell of a player but i dont want his championship they win this year to be talked aboit as a reason why

In comment 13371166 nygiants16 said:

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i look at it like this, would james be looked at as one of the greatest ever without the rings? that is my point, durant is a hell of a player but i dont want his championship they win this year to be talked aboit as a reason why

And my point is that is an overreaction. Everyone was saying the same exact thing when Lebron went to Miami. If he wins one ring in GS and thats it, that would be a disappointment. But if he wins the next 3-4 he will be talked about as the best player on the greatest team ever assembled. The narrative would change dramatically if that happened.

In comment 13371172 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13371166 nygiants16 said: Quote: i look at it like this, would james be looked at as one of the greatest ever without the rings? that is my point, durant is a hell of a player but i dont want his championship they win this year to be talked aboit as a reason why And my point is that is an overreaction. Everyone was saying the same exact thing when Lebron went to Miami. If he wins one ring in GS and thats it, that would be a disappointment. But if he wins the next 3-4 he will be talked about as the best player on the greatest team ever assembled. The narrative would change dramatically if that happened.

it changed for lebron because people realized how much he carried that team..

without bron they do not win titles, without durant the warriors are still goimg to win 1 or 2 titles...

In comment 13371147 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13371136 nygiants16 said: Quote: that durant is now a champion and should be mentioned with the greats, he ring xhased in the prime of his career, which he has every right to do, but he should never be mentioned with any of the greats when it comes to championships... You don't have to convince me to hate on Durant, but when it's said and done I don't think I can name more than 10-15 players I'd take over him. His only real flaw is that he's not as good of a passer as Lebron. Not even sure that can be a real flaw.

Agreed that when it's all said and done that Durant will be considered one of the top 10-20 players of all time, but one of the 10 or so guys I would absolutely put ahead of him is Shaq. Just rubs me the wrong way to see him call a guy that has won more, and was a more dominant player than him, "unskilled." Like really? You're going to try to talk down on Shaq because he made fun of Javale McGee in a TV segment?

In comment 13371176 Lopes1984 said:

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In comment 13371147 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: In comment 13371136 nygiants16 said: Quote: that durant is now a champion and should be mentioned with the greats, he ring xhased in the prime of his career, which he has every right to do, but he should never be mentioned with any of the greats when it comes to championships... You don't have to convince me to hate on Durant, but when it's said and done I don't think I can name more than 10-15 players I'd take over him. His only real flaw is that he's not as good of a passer as Lebron. Not even sure that can be a real flaw. Agreed that when it's all said and done that Durant will be considered one of the top 10-20 players of all time, but one of the 10 or so guys I would absolutely put ahead of him is Shaq. Just rubs me the wrong way to see him call a guy that has won more, and was a more dominant player than him, "unskilled." Like really? You're going to try to talk down on Shaq because he made fun of Javale McGee in a TV segment?

I don't know if this is contrarian but I consider Shaq ahead of Kobe and Duncan. I dont care if it was size or skill, whatever Shaq was, was unstoppable.

And its funny KD is calling out Shaq for being unskilled while Javale Mcgee might actually be the ultimate combination of size and sheer athleticism that's been in the NBA maybe ever and has had a hard time sticking on a roster.

In comment 13371174 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13371172 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: In comment 13371166 nygiants16 said: Quote: i look at it like this, would james be looked at as one of the greatest ever without the rings? that is my point, durant is a hell of a player but i dont want his championship they win this year to be talked aboit as a reason why And my point is that is an overreaction. Everyone was saying the same exact thing when Lebron went to Miami. If he wins one ring in GS and thats it, that would be a disappointment. But if he wins the next 3-4 he will be talked about as the best player on the greatest team ever assembled. The narrative would change dramatically if that happened. it changed for lebron because people realized how much he carried that team.. without bron they do not win titles, without durant the warriors are still goimg to win 1 or 2 titles...

Not sure if thats a certainty. And there is a difference between winning 1 title and 3/4-peating. too early to say that about the Warriors but the potential for that is there. And if that happens, the narrative will certainly change for KD.

there's a really good shot the Knicks end up in 5th. That would be huge, as I think there's a pretty decent drop off after Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum/Smith.

In comment 13371190 Jon in NYC said:

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there's a really good shot the Knicks end up in 5th. That would be huge, as I think there's a pretty decent drop off after Fultz/Ball/Jackson/Tatum/Smith.

I'd toss in Isaac into that group but I agree with your premise. I think top 6 is a priority, will have options if within the top 5 though.

But when KP came out it was a 3 person draft and we picked 4th. You just have to do your homework.

In comment 13371289 Carl in CT said:

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But when KP came out it was a 3 person draft and we picked 4th. You just have to do your homework.

no everyobe said it was a 4 person draft begore lotto night, then knicks got 4 and it became a 3 person draft...

i remember woj saying how it was a deep draft and he saw 4 top guys, then all of sudden he switxhed to it is a 3 person draft and the knicks are tradong out

You could be right. I really remember draft night and lottery day (the expression) when we got the 4th pick. I don't remember much leading up to the draft other than Muiday being called for by some.

But boy he heats up like no one else in college ball.

In comment 13371358 giantsfan44ab said:

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But boy he heats up like no one else in college ball.

i think he would be a perfect 6th man on a contending team..

knicks are going to draft a player at a position other than pg and bring back this entire team

In comment 13371360 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13371358 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: But boy he heats up like no one else in college ball. i think he would be a perfect 6th man on a contending team..

That's selling him short. He can average 25 ppg in the NBA. He's not a primary playmaker. Has sixers written all over him.

In comment 13371362 nygiants16 said:

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knicks are going to draft a player at a position other than pg and bring back this entire team

They're going to draft lauri markannen

In comment 13371362 nygiants16 said:

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knicks are going to draft a player at a position other than pg and bring back this entire team

To be fair, it's not like big name draft PGs always work out. A lot of people loved Mudiay and Russell.

In comment 13371384 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 13371362 nygiants16 said: Quote: knicks are going to draft a player at a position other than pg and bring back this entire team To be fair, it's not like big name draft PGs always work out. A lot of people loved Mudiay and Russell.

i loved mudiay, hated russell

Never thought he'd be a PG. But Booker should've been the top guard taken

the Knicks should take Booker during a pre-draft show, and thinking he was just being a troll. I'm happy we got KP, but Jalen was on to something.

in the draft is Frank Ntikilita. Could easily see Phil being enamored with the passing ability and length. He's always loved big PGs

tanking purposes.

I like the Knicks by double figures. Rose goes for 25 and 8. Hernangomez has 15/15.

He doesn't have the most well-rounded game, but he's a scoring machine who can get white hot and shoot the lights out.

In comment 13371489 Greg from LI said:

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He doesn't have the most well-rounded game, but he's a scoring machine who can get white hot and shoot the lights out.

isnt that the definition of a 6th man?

i see him as an eric gordon type, hopefully without the injuries

Melo's gonna cost us three draft slots as a nice parting gift.

In comment 13371496 bceagle05 said:

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Melo's gonna cost us three draft slots as a nice parting gift.

he's back on the baseline laying down, maybe taking a nap?

could put anyone to sleep...