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NFT: Mets and Rangers Investers In Proposal For Isles' New Arena

Mike in Long Beach : 2/24/2017 2:42 pm
According to Arthur Staple, this is legit and might be happening...

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A supergroup of New York sports executives, including owners of the New York Rangers and the New York Mets, is lining up to invest in a new arena just outside of Queens for the National Hockey League’s Islanders, according to people familiar with the discussions.

The Islanders play at Brooklyn’s Barclays Center, though executives there have concluded that it’s no longer worth it to host the hockey team, and the lease can be terminated as early as January.

The new arena proposal is a joint venture between the Islanders, Oak View Group and Sterling Project Development, said the people, who asked to be anonymous because the talks are private. James Dolan’s Madison Square Garden Co., which controls the Rangers, long the Islanders hated rivals, is an investor in Oak View Group, the private equity group run by Tim Leiweke and Irving Azoff. The Wilpon family, which owns the Mets, controls Sterling Project Development.

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In addition to being Investers  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/24/2017 2:43 pm : link
Sources say they'll also be investors*
2 of your favorite teams, eh Mike?  
Drewcon40 : 2/24/2017 2:44 pm : link
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Fine, but you have to give us John Tavares  
Anakim : 2/24/2017 2:44 pm : link
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RE: 2 of your favorite teams, eh Mike?  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/24/2017 2:45 pm : link
In comment 13370798 Drewcon40 said:
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Haha, I do admit it would be painful thinking every sip of my 42 dollar beer would be going to the Dolans' ski trip.
RE: RE: 2 of your favorite teams, eh Mike?  
Mad Mike : 2/24/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13370800 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Haha, I do admit it would be painful thinking every sip of my 42 dollar beer would be going to the Dolans' ski trip.

On the plus side, if the arena performs poorly financially, your team has a home and Dolan loses money in the process. That's a major score!
It is refreshing to see some legitimate operators involved  
pganut : 2/24/2017 2:50 pm : link
As I've already said to some of the Isles guys, Tim Leiweke has major hockey experience. Was the President & CEO of Maple Leaf Entertainment as well as Pres/CEO of Anschutz Entertainment Group which owns the Kings. Yet another step towards getting some real hockey people in (although I know this is still all very preliminary).

I can see it now...Isles bumped into a few more road games to allow for Jimmy Dolan's jug-handle band to headline for 2 weeks straight.
I'm wondering how much of this on Dolan's end  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/24/2017 2:51 pm : link
Is related to Prokhorov's recent success in building new arenas in the area. If this actually were to happen, Dolan would potentially be reaping much of whatever benefit the Islanders were providing for Barclay's Center, while Barclay's would obviously lose any revenue.

And this would only be about 20-30 minutes from Prokhorov's new Nassau Coliseum and would potentially be stealing much of their business, as well. I doubt Jim had taken kindly to a new force in his business making waves.
Wilpon and Dolan  
pjcas18 : 2/24/2017 2:57 pm : link
in business together just has a Monty Burns feel to it.

Have they partnered on other things?
I think Dolan is only an LP  
Metnut : 2/24/2017 3:00 pm : link
in Oak View and has no role in management. Also, anyone else think it's funny that Dolan is involved in something called "OAK" view?

the location certainly makes more sense than Brooklyn ever did  
Greg from LI : 2/24/2017 3:21 pm : link
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Good one  
steviej : 2/24/2017 3:23 pm : link
Metnut !!!!
Thank God the Isles have good owners  
Dave M : 2/24/2017 3:59 pm : link
This could never done with Wang in charge. I always knew that Dolan guy was ok. Oh yeah PGA. JD and the Straight Shots all week long. I wonder if they encore with that legendary song "fix the knicks".
RE: I think Dolan is only an LP  
Deej : 2/24/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13370828 Metnut said:
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in Oak View and has no role in management. Also, anyone else think it's funny that Dolan is involved in something called "OAK" view?


Why is MSG invested in a PE real estate fund?
Deej  
bigbluehoya : 2/24/2017 4:36 pm : link
What makes you think they shouldn't be?
So the Rangers will now officially own the Islanders  
BestFeature : 2/24/2017 5:02 pm : link
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RE: So the Rangers will now officially own the Islanders  
Drewcon40 : 2/24/2017 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13370922 BestFeature said:
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Funny because it's been the Islanders owning the Rangers these last few years.

-pganut
Consistently beating the Rangers at Barclay's  
marbles : 2/24/2017 5:22 pm : link
is really benefitting the Isles now.
As an Isles fan  
adamg : 2/24/2017 5:26 pm : link
Staying in NYC would be a huge win. It still sucks they moved out of Nassau, but when people were throwing out Connecticut and Canada as potential landing spots... oy vey...
RE: RE: So the Rangers will now officially own the Islanders  
pganut : 2/24/2017 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13370931 Drewcon40 said:
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Funny because it's been the Islanders owning the Rangers these last few years.

-pganut
RE: RE: So the Rangers will now officially own the Islanders  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/24/2017 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13370931 Drewcon40 said:
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Funny because it's been the Islanders owning the Rangers these last few years.

-pganut


10-3 since 2014-15. #JustSayin
Eh  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/24/2017 5:30 pm : link
I guess it's 9-3*
RE: Eh  
Drewcon40 : 2/24/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13370941 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I guess it's 9-3*


Mike it was self-deprecating humor, no need to pile on. : )
RE: Deej  
Deej : 2/24/2017 6:16 pm : link
In comment 13370904 bigbluehoya said:
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What makes you think they shouldn't be?


Because the owners of MSG stock want to own the sports and entertainment assets of MSG. If they want to invest in a private equity real estate fund they can do that.

Im not picking on MSG here. If you told me GM owned the same investment, I'd ask why.
RE: RE: I think Dolan is only an LP  
Metnut : 2/24/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13370890 Deej said:
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in Oak View and has no role in management. Also, anyone else think it's funny that Dolan is involved in something called "OAK" view?




Why is MSG invested in a PE real estate fund?


Dolan is pretty wealthy I believe. I'd expect him to have other assets aside from MSG. All of that money has to go somewhere.
RE: RE: Deej  
bigbluehoya : 2/24/2017 7:29 pm : link
In comment 13370963 Deej said:
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What makes you think they shouldn't be?



Because the owners of MSG stock want to own the sports and entertainment assets of MSG. If they want to invest in a private equity real estate fund they can do that.

Im not picking on MSG here. If you told me GM owned the same investment, I'd ask why.


I don't think you're picking on anyone, but there's no indication that this investment is material to MSG. If it is, it's disclosed in the company's financials.

It also isn't at all uncommon for corporations to own investment assets outside of core operations. Common reasons would be to meet projected pension funding obligations, set aside funding (while earning a return) for a known/expected future capital expenditure, etc.

No reason to believe that the investment is inconsistent with the duties owed by management to shareholders.
RE: RE: I think Dolan is only an LP  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/24/2017 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13370890 Deej said:
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in Oak View and has no role in management. Also, anyone else think it's funny that Dolan is involved in something called "OAK" view?




Why is MSG invested in a PE real estate fund?

MSG tried to buy the Coliseum when it was up for grabs a couple of years ago. It's only logical that they would be at the forefront of the newest competing option. There's a ton of cash looking for a home now that CVC is sold.
RE: RE: Deej  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/24/2017 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13370963 Deej said:
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What makes you think they shouldn't be?



Because the owners of MSG stock want to own the sports and entertainment assets of MSG. If they want to invest in a private equity real estate fund they can do that.

Im not picking on MSG here. If you told me GM owned the same investment, I'd ask why.

The owners of MSG stock are largely the Dolans and their respective trusts. It isn't exactly managed in the way that a typical public company would be.
Belmont is an access problem  
CaptSehorn : 2/24/2017 8:23 pm : link
They will play the song and dance about a rail extension and upgrades, but in the end you're gonna have thousands of people fighting the cross island and southern state to make a weeknight game. Good luck with that.
RE: Belmont is an access problem  
Danny Kanell : 2/24/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13371004 CaptSehorn said:
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They will play the song and dance about a rail extension and upgrades, but in the end you're gonna have thousands of people fighting the cross island and southern state to make a weeknight game. Good luck with that.


There isn't much difference from fighting the Meadowbrook / Southern State / Northern State at rush hour, if at all. Plus, the LIRR has a stop at Belmont, the Coliseum doesn't. You can make a case it's much more accessible than Nassau Coliseum on any given day.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but MSG also owns Radio City  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/25/2017 12:54 am : link
and the Beacon Theater, no?

So it's not like having a stake in another entertainment venue is out of their business model.
RE: RE: RE: Deej  
Deej : 2/25/2017 8:15 am : link
In comment 13371001 Gatorade Dunk said:
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What makes you think they shouldn't be?



Because the owners of MSG stock want to own the sports and entertainment assets of MSG. If they want to invest in a private equity real estate fund they can do that.

Im not picking on MSG here. If you told me GM owned the same investment, I'd ask why.


The owners of MSG stock are largely the Dolans and their respective trusts. It isn't exactly managed in the way that a typical public company would be.


The Dolans own ~20% of MSG. And your second sentence is debatable. Once you have public shareholders as a Delaware corp, you own them fiduciary duties, although this wouldnt implicate that.

The CVC proceeds have nothing to do with what MSG is investing in. Those are separate entities. MSG doesnt get that cash.
Doesn't MSG also own and operate the LA Forum?  
Sarcastic Sam : 2/25/2017 8:18 am : link
I know this is a long shot, but the USTA is planning on building a new Louis Armstrong Stadium with a retractable roof. If the Islanders could collaborate with the USTA, there would be no scheduling issues and the tennis center is on the LIRR and 7 trains. Win, win.
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