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A significant difference between the THR and CBS OL rankings

Milton : 2/25/2017 3:08 pm
...at least as far as the Giants second round pick is concerned.

The CBS Rankings have Dan Feeney, Dorian Johnson, Dion Dawkins, and Taylor Moton all ranked before pick #55.

The Huddle Report has those same four OL all ranked after pick #55.

If the Giants have confidence they can get a good OL prospect in the second round, that may influence their willingness to forego OL in the first round.
On the other hand.... - ( New Window )
Serious question - what is the nature of your relationship between  
jlukes : 2/25/2017 3:12 pm : link
you and Boylhart?

Friends? Brothers? Lovers?
I enjoy Boylhart  
WillVAB : 2/25/2017 3:20 pm : link
I think his content is pretty solid and unique.
RE: Serious question - what is the nature of your relationship between  
Milton : 2/25/2017 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13371339 jlukes said:
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you and Boylhart?

Friends? Brothers? Lovers?
You're getting warmer.
Mayock  
area junc : 2/25/2017 3:59 pm : link
thinks Lamp is the best OL in the draft
The OL in this class  
Sy'56 : 2/25/2017 4:03 pm : link
overall pretty weak. Especially at the top and in terms of day 3 depth. Thats a consensus among everyone I speak with as well. I think you'll see "rankings" all over the place.
Lamp  
Milton : 2/25/2017 4:04 pm : link
It didn't sound like he was doing very well in the one-on-one drills at Senior Bowl practices before getting hurt.
Milton  
area junc : 2/25/2017 4:08 pm : link
Interesting, I've got the opposite. There was buzz he was the 2nd best player there, overall behind O.J. Howard.
RE: The OL in this class  
WillVAB : 2/25/2017 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13371369 Sy'56 said:
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overall pretty weak. Especially at the top and in terms of day 3 depth. Thats a consensus among everyone I speak with as well. I think you'll see "rankings" all over the place.


How much value does that really carry? Every year we hear this draft is strong/weak overall, (insert position) is strong/weak, etc. Yet the bottom line results and performance don't coincide with the opinions.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 2/25/2017 6:06 pm : link
In comment 13371377 area junc said:
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Interesting, I've got the opposite. There was buzz he was the 2nd best player there, overall behind O.J. Howard.
Apparently he had a rough time of it going against Kpassagnon.

Here are some tweets and blurbs from a variety of sources back then..
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Dane Brugler ✔ @dpbrugler
Big difference for Forrest Lamp today at practice when at OT and OG. Dominant when inside, keep him at guard.
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Josh Liskiewitz @PFF_Josh
#Villanova DE Tanoh Kpassagnon just showed why length matters - he locked out and ripped #WKU OT Forrest Lamp to the ground in a 1-on-1.
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Kpassagnon spent the day going against one of the highest rated OL in the draft in Forrest Lamp. Showing great bend considering his size, he was able to get under the much shorter Lamp (6’3) to get strong leverage more plays than not. His most impressive play of the day...from the defensive end position in this drill, he drives back Lamp and tosses him to the side like a rag doll.
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Villanova DE Tanoh Kpassagnon was a player that I said to watch out for. He proved my point. Kpassagnon violated highly touted Western Kentucky tackle Forrest Lamp on multiple plays. The biggest occurrence came in one on ones when Kpassagnon grabbed Lamp and disposed of him like he was taking out the trash. He also terrorized Lamp coming off of the edge in team period.
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Two small-school linemen generated a lot of pre-Senior Bowl buzz, but neither Forrest Lamp (Western Kentucky) or Antonio Garcia (Troy) were able to build strong performances. Lamp went out with a high ankle sprain Wednesday, but one scout who watched him exclusively during the first day of practice said he struggled a lot with inside speed and power.
We would be extremely fortunate to have the Villanova DE  
robbieballs2003 : 2/25/2017 6:10 pm : link
Available to us in the second round.
Feeney or Johnson would be worth  
jeff57 : 2/25/2017 7:16 pm : link
a pick at 55. The other two, not
From everything I've read about the Giants' drafting system  
81_Great_Dane : 2/25/2017 9:25 pm : link
I doubt they would pass on an OT prospect just because they think they might be able to get another OT in the next round.

They rank their guys in rows, and within a row (where the prospects are considered equal), need breaks the tie. They might be hoping an OT is there when they draft, but if not, they'll stick to their board regardless.

A scenario where they don't go OT in the first, but do in the second:

When the Giants are on the clock at #23, none of the remaining OTs are on their top row of prospects. If that's the case, they go with someone from their top row. It's not about who they think might be there in the next round, it's just sticking to their board.

But then, when they're on the clock in the 2nd, knowing they didn't get a tackle in the first round, if their top row of remaining prospects includes an OT, they'd almost surely draft him for need.

But again, they're very very unlikely to drop down to a lower row just for need. That's what veteran free agency is for. I think they're actually much more likely to trade up for need if they see a guy they like a lot and they don't feel he'll be there when they pick.

RE: From everything I've read about the Giants' drafting system  
Milton : 2/25/2017 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13371530 81_Great_Dane said:
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I doubt they would pass on an OT prospect just because they think they might be able to get another OT in the next round.

They rank their guys in rows, and within a row (where the prospects are considered equal), need breaks the tie. They might be hoping an OT is there when they draft, but if not, they'll stick to their board regardless.

Picture a situation where let's say they have Reuben Foster as the lone prospect left from their top row and from their second row is left a handful of prospects who are very much worth the 23rd pick, one of which is an OL who they feel can come in and compete for a starting job on day one.

If they felt confident that they could land an OL with the 55th pick that they like a lot, they might feel more comfortable taking Foster with the 23rd pick. On the other hand, if they felt the 23rd pick was going to be their only shot at a starting quality OL, they might be less inclined to take Foster.

p.s.-- When the Giants drafted Jeff Hatch (from my alma mater) in the 3rd round, Accorsi defended the pick by saying that although they didn't have a 3rd round grade on him, they were without a 4th round pick (from the Shockey trade) and Hatch represented the last left tackle on their board with starting quality potential. And how did that turn out?
Draft the best guy unless it's a QB  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/26/2017 8:36 am : link
In Rounds 1-3. He QBs all have huge questions IMO so it shouldn't be hard to pass on them even if one or two fall.

If need and value match great. There are holes and depth questions everywhere. Passing up value for need gets dangerous. They problem is their OL continues to suck and if they can't add a FA Or two they will most likely have to reach.
Milton  
XBRONX : 2/26/2017 12:18 pm : link
I think area junc ran away. Thanks for the info.
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