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NFT: Investing Advice / Mutual fund info

annexOPR : 2/25/2017 4:18 pm
32, no debt, currently maxing out my Roth annually, but I'd like to have more of my money "working for me"

1. When investing in a Mutual Fund (Vanguard target retirement for example) can you contribute as much/as often as you like or is it truly a "Set and forget" type investment?

2. Is it better to wait until this "trump bump" declines or is investing in mutual funds less dependent on day to day market conditions? Basically, my portfolio will be aggressive if/when I invest, so is it better to wait for the market to cool or get my money in ASAP?

Any further advice / tips / strategies would be greatly appreciated. I've got $10,000 - $20000 to comfortably invest right now, just wondering the best way to go about it - as a compliment to my Roth.

* considering rolling my Roth over to Vanguard as well, anyone have experience with them? I've heard/read mostly great things and thinking my Roth in addition to a target retirement fund (2045) should have me in great shape.

Thank you in advance for any help. It's much appreciated. Go Giants.
You're 32 - the market is going to have plenty of dips and bumps  
jlukes : 2/25/2017 4:31 pm : link
if you are building for long term, then get in ASAP and ride out the dips and don't get to excited when their are bumps.
My uneducated opinion  
Steve in South Jersey : 2/25/2017 4:35 pm : link
never try to time the market. long term this market bump means nothing. don't delay saving.

choose an age appropriate mix of stocks and bonds. in your case heavy in growth stock funds.

dollar cost average.

rebalance funds annually to maintain your target mix of stocks and bonds.
start with and index fund before going into different sectors  
gtt350 : 2/25/2017 4:36 pm : link
how is your Roth invested?
Roth is aggressive (90/10)  
annexOPR : 2/25/2017 4:43 pm : link
looked briefly on Vanguard and they pointed me to a mutual fund comprised of 4 index funds with approximately a 60/40 allocation

thinking a more conservative MF paired with my aggressive Roth makes sense

Do you have any employer sponsored  
pjcas18 : 2/25/2017 4:48 pm : link
savings plans? Maxing a Roth IRA alone is not a solid strategy to prepare for retirement if that's your goal.

you dont need to be overly aggressive, slow and steady works  
gtt350 : 2/25/2017 5:56 pm : link
as well. Your youth is certainly in your favor for aggressive but when the market goes down don't panic because aggressive portfolio's take the biggest hits. stocks that pay big dividends ad to your growth, reinvest them for income averaging. common staple stuff is also very good like Colgate/Palmalive. people use toothpaste and soap no matter what the economy is doing
RE: You're 32 - the market is going to have plenty of dips and bumps  
Blue21 : 2/25/2017 6:38 pm : link
In comment 13371386 jlukes said:
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if you are building for long term, then get in ASAP and ride out the dips and don't get to excited when their are bumps.



This^ You are young. Don't wait. Plenty of funds to choose from if you're afraid of being too agressive
SCREW THAT  
giantfan2000 : 2/25/2017 6:45 pm : link
take your money out of mutual fund
and by 90% ETFs (SPY , QQQ , IWM )
10% government bonds (https://www.treasurydirect.gov)

Mutual funds only get brokers rich ..

Mutual funds are a dinosaurs game  
Patrick77 : 2/25/2017 6:57 pm : link
Plenty of readily advice available on broad market and bond ETFs out there with very low management fees. Always assume you are no better or smarter than average when investing - because sadly most of us aren't even that.
Bonds are in a weird place  
Deej : 2/25/2017 8:17 pm : link
My belief is that very long term investors dont need to be in bonds much until yields improve.
RE: Bonds are in a weird place  
Patrick77 : 2/25/2017 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13371505 Deej said:
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My belief is that very long term investors dont need to be in bonds much until yields improve.


That sounds a lot like trying to time a market to me. I've got 40 years before I will retire, I always plan to have some bonds.
RE: RE: Bonds are in a weird place  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/25/2017 9:10 pm : link
In comment 13371513 Patrick77 said:
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In comment 13371505 Deej said:


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My belief is that very long term investors dont need to be in bonds much until yields improve.



That sounds a lot like trying to time a market to me. I've got 40 years before I will retire, I always plan to have some bonds.


Bonds are different from stocks. Invest in the stock of good, sound companies with growth potential and the stock will ultimately go up in the long run, regardless of market swings. The same cannot be said of bonds. Interest rates are at rock bottom. There's no where for rates to go but up. And when they do, the value of your bonds go down, irrespective of the strength of the company backing them.

The only thing you can do not lose your shirt when rates go up is to hold the bonds to maturity. And earn a really piss poor return the whole way.
Bonds  
Samiam : 2/25/2017 9:29 pm : link
Definitely a confusing investment. Bonds used to be secure and less risky compared to stocks. I don't think that's true anymore. You're now getting a risky investment with less upside return. I agree about not trying to time the market but if you have an investment almost guaranteed to lose money, why buy it?
thank you all for the input  
annexOPR : 2/26/2017 12:14 am : link
twas out for the evening ...

so, don't bother with a mutual fund (even one comprised of index funds?). I'm ready to invest another $20,000 ... ETF the way to go?

I'm "young" (feel old, bday just past), no debt, with a nice enough savings account and on track for a significant salary increase next year, so looking to be as "aggressive" as possible. I understand the basics, and will not be panicking when the markets inevitably rise / fall - I know to rebalance my portfolio as I age to reduce risk

will definitely look more into ETF vs mutual funds ... any tips on companies/firms to join would also be greatly appreciated.

thank you all again. it is greatly appreciated.

thought vanguard retirement target date would be a decent "set and forget" type strategy, but obviously open to other ideas.
ETFs vs Index Mutual Funds  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/26/2017 12:46 am : link
Personally I think a good index fund is better for the average buy and hold person. Yes the fees on ETFs are lower, but for an S&P 500 ETF / fund, the difference is .05% vs .16% for Vanguard's fund. Yes it's higher, but Its still very low.

And there are downsides to ETFs. The biggest is you have to pay commission fees every time you buy or sell ETF shares, while mutual fund transactions are free. Also, dividends automatically reinvest on a mutual fund, but with an ETF you'll have to do it yourself (and incur another commission). I encourage you to look ito it yourself and make an informed decision.
Thanks Jim  
annexOPR : 2/26/2017 6:50 am : link
leaning towards MF myself

say I were to invest $10,000 in a 2045 vanguard target fund, could I continue to add funds to it (say $1000 every 2 months or so)?

looking for a "Set and forget" method of investing that would still allow me to bump up contributions when I can. Would a find like vanguard's be the wrong route?
RE: Thanks Jim  
section125 : 2/26/2017 7:34 am : link
In comment 13371602 annexOPR said:
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leaning towards MF myself

say I were to invest $10,000 in a 2045 vanguard target fund, could I continue to add funds to it (say $1000 every 2 months or so)?

looking for a "Set and forget" method of investing that would still allow me to bump up contributions when I can. Would a find like vanguard's be the wrong route?


You can keep investing up to the annual limit as often as you like. Even if the market goes down, keep investing. That is how you get good returns buy when the marhet is down.
60/40 is where a 55 yr old would place his/her money so at 32 you should be more aggressive. Vanguard has tools to help you decide your allocation. Their fees are extremely low (lowest on the market IIRC).
Some good comments here  
Mark from Jersey : 2/26/2017 8:21 am : link
I would echo keep an eye on fees. Stay diversified.
Dollar cost averaging should be your strategey.  
johnnyb : 2/26/2017 8:41 am : link
Invest a set amount each month. Over time, you will have invested when the market is lower and higher, thus giving you an average cost that will probably be lower than if you had invested all at once. Mutual funds are inefficient and expensive. Use ETFs and choose pieces of the market that should outperform (financials, industrials, consumer discretionary) over the longer term. But choose these investments around a core investment in S&P 500 and small cap index (Russell 2000). At age 32, I would suggest being 100% equity. No fixed income right now. Keep your Roth and continue to contribute to it as long as it makes sense. As your income increases (and tax bracket moves higher) start investing in a traditional IRA for the tax deduction. Email me if you have any questions- jjbjr922@aol.com. I would be happy to offer you free advice but would need more information.
What is considered a low fee  
DC Gmen Fan : 2/26/2017 8:42 am : link
and a low e/r?

There's so many funds and so many different fees it's pretty overwhelming to a novice investor. Some of the funds in my 401k have a .45 e/r and some others seem to have a .06.

What's the "benchmark?"
Would you contribute to a separate traditional IRA  
DC Gmen Fan : 2/26/2017 9:15 am : link
even if you max out your 401K at work? Should the IRA take priority over a taxable account?
RE: What is considered a low fee  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/26/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13371632 DC Gmen Fan said:
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and a low e/r?

There's so many funds and so many different fees it's pretty overwhelming to a novice investor. Some of the funds in my 401k have a .45 e/r and some others seem to have a .06.

What's the "benchmark?"

Fees are lower on index funds, since it requires no research/analysis staff. Managed funds that choose what stocks/bonds/etc to buy and sell have higher fees.

As far as benchmarks, for an index fund it should be under 0.2. Managed funds generally should be less than 1.0, but it varies by type.
Thank you all, much appreciated  
annexOPR : 2/26/2017 12:20 pm : link
Johnnyb, just sent you an e-mail [ray]. Please let me know if you need any more info.

Again, thank you all. Lots of good info here.
SIMPLE IRA  
annexOPR : 2/26/2017 12:28 pm : link
I also have a simple from my job out of college (6700) that I haven't touched in years - should I just hold it and let it mature to whatever it does by 59.5 without getting the tax penalties or should that roll over into another account

I assume since I contributed to my Roth for this year that I can't roll that over into it as well.
RE: SIMPLE IRA  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/26/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13371807 annexOPR said:
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I also have a simple from my job out of college (6700) that I haven't touched in years - should I just hold it and let it mature to whatever it does by 59.5 without getting the tax penalties or should that roll over into another account

I assume since I contributed to my Roth for this year that I can't roll that over into it as well.

If you're happy with the investment options in your Simple-IRA, you can leave it there. If you'd like more options and better control, then do a rollover.

If you want to roll into a Roth IRA, you'll have to pay taxes on the money to do so. You can roll it into a traditional IRA tax free.

Your contribution to your Roth this year is irrelevant to whatever you decide.
thanks Jim  
annexOPR : 2/26/2017 8:22 pm : link
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Every person is different ....  
Manny in CA : 2/26/2017 11:55 pm : link

As is every situation. I'm at the point where I'm starting to take IRA distributions. In my case, I chose Vanguard because it has very low management fees 0.03% of funds managed), offers ROBO/Personal Investor help. ($50,000 min)

For young person, I'd probably recommend Betterment (no personal advisor available; ROBO recommended mix, but you can change it). It's worth doing the research on them and giving them a call

Here's a side-by-side of the leading ones .....

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/investing/best-robo-advisors/
thanks again!  
annexOPR : 2/28/2017 9:50 am : link
looking to switch all my accounts over to vanguard, my current mutual funds will transfer without an issue so thinking leave them as is and then buying Vanguard going forward

I love the idea of Vanguard's target retirement fund (I know to play with the date to adjust risk/reward) and was wondering if it'd be a good idea to buy that in 2018 as part of my Roth and fund that annually while it essentially manages itself and adjusts accordingly as I age?

thinking that, plus investments outside of my Roth should have me in good shape. I'm hesitant to drop a lump sum in the market now during this "trump bump", so would something like 8,000 initially and then 2000 every 2 months be better than 20,000 upfront (basically, dollar cost average over 2 month periods)?

as always, any tips are greatly appreciated.
MF/ETF  
annexOPR : 2/28/2017 9:51 am : link
also still very torn on mutual funds vs ETF? vanguard has some lovely MF with index funds / low costs.
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