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COMBINE DAY 1 THREAD OL, RB

sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 8:00 am
This is one of the weakest OT classes in recent years but it doesn't mean we can't find a quality tackle. Ryan Ramczyk won't participate due to recent surgery. Garrett Boles may break agility records for the position but will have to answer a lot of questions about his past. With that said I still think Alabama's Cam Robinson is the best tackle in this class. The hate has gone too far and the talk of him needing to move inside is overblown imo.
The next tier has a lot of intriguing talent. Antonio Garcia has the athleticism and length you want from a LT. He added nine pounds between the Senior Bowl and Combine but still needs more. He's expected to time well in the 40. Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton are two of my favorite lineman in the class for their hard nose, blue collar play. I could see them at RT or RG. Justin Senior is a bit underrated and worth watching. No lineman probably has more intrigue though than Bucknell's Julie'n Davenport. Small school All American and two time captain but at 6'7" with 36 1/2" arms and nearly 11" hands, I'm sure teams can't wait to see how he tests. He had an uneven Senior Bowl but has a high ceiling. Among the top interior lineman are Forrest Lamp, Dan Feeney and Ethan Pocic. All three could go in the top two rounds with Lamp and Feeney possibly going in the first.

While OL may not be seen as deep, RB is as deep as it's been in a while. Dalvin Cook, Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey are first round talents that will attract alot of airplay. Along with Cook, the diminutive Tarik Cohen, a former track star could challenge Chris Johnson's 40 record, but he's not the only legit challenger. Kareem Hunt has been rising. Matthew Dayes is a sleeper I like. But honestly I could go on and on. RB is very deep this year. You can easily get a starter on Day 3 from this class.

Coverage starts at 8 but first 40 is at 9.
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Not sure if  
ryanmkeane : 3/3/2017 11:45 am : link
this would factor in but you'd have to think Njoku and Robinson are in the mix for Giants, and Flowers and Collins could provide some insight into both.
Ruben Foster  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 11:48 am : link
6-0, 229

Other DL:
Jonathan Allen: 6-2 5/8, 286
Taco Charlton: 6-5 5/8, 277
RE: Cam looked good  
jeff57 : 3/3/2017 11:53 am : link
In comment 13377566 PatersonPlank said:
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I think he is the pick if he gets to us. If not I Love Lamp.

Big Lamp fan. Would rather have him.
Would we be forcing a pick by drafting  
Simms11 : 3/3/2017 12:21 pm : link
an Olineman at #23 that would probably not be BPA?! Will we draft moreso for need this year in the first? I don't see the Giants changing their stripes for this draft and so I wouldn't expect one of the tackles to be drafted at #23 IMO. Day 2 might be a different story.
28" vertical for a top 10 RB?  
KWALL2 : 3/3/2017 12:21 pm : link
I don't think so.

He should claim a tweaked muscle and call it a day after that jump.
RE: 28  
robbieballs2003 : 3/3/2017 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13377649 KWALL2 said:
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I don't think so.

He should claim a tweaked muscle and call it a day after that jump.


Can you let us know who you are talking about?
The guy with the water weight.  
KWALL2 : 3/3/2017 12:27 pm : link
I'm betting on a muscle pull. Fournette should run the 40. No chance he's ready to impress after that weak jump.

Even at 240 thats an awful jump.
Fuck  
Anakim : 3/3/2017 12:33 pm : link
Dan Graziano‏Verified account @DanGrazianoESPN
Eagles win the coin toss and will pick 14th in this year's NFL draft. Colts will pick 15th.
RE: Fuck  
The_Boss : 3/3/2017 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13377682 Anakim said:
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Dan Graziano‏Verified account @DanGrazianoESPN
Eagles win the coin toss and will pick 14th in this year's NFL draft. Colts will pick 15th.


does that really surprise you?
RE: Cam looked good  
Rjanyg : 3/3/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13377566 PatersonPlank said:
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I think he is the pick if he gets to us. If not I Love Lamp.


Nice Brick!!
D'Onta Foreman will not be doing drills  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:18 pm : link
Stress fracture in his foot
RB 40s--Chris Carson  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:23 pm : link
4.58 40
Corey Clement  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:24 pm : link
4.68 40
Tarik Cohen  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:24 pm : link
4.42
James Conner  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:25 pm : link
4.66

Dalvin Cook  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:25 pm : link
4.50
Leonard Fournette  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:26 pm : link
4.51 @ 240 lbs
Good times for Cook  
ryanmkeane : 3/3/2017 1:29 pm : link
and Fournette...i think Kamara will light it up.
Wayne Gallman  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:30 pm : link
4.57

DeAngelo Henderson 4.48
Brian Hill 4.54
Kareem Hunt 4.66
...  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:31 pm : link
Aaron Jones 4.52
Alvin Kamara 4.53
TJ Logan 4.37  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:35 pm : link
Marlon Mack 4.50
Christian McCaffrey 4.49
RE: Dalvin Cook  
The_Boss : 3/3/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13377779 sjnyfan said:
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4.50


Might be facing this guy twice a year. He's projected to go right around the time our rivals 90 miles to our south are on the clock. And they do need RB help.
Eagles  
ryanmkeane : 3/3/2017 1:42 pm : link
don't have a WR who can catch. I'd be shocked if they didn't go WR.
Elijah McGuire 4.52  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 1:46 pm : link
Jeremy McNichols 4.52
Dare Ugunbowale 4.65
Samaje Perine 4.66
Donnel Pumphrey 4.49
Devine Redding 4.78
Sam Rogers 4.93 FB
Rushel Shell 4.75
Freddie Stevenson 4.76 FB
Jahad Thomas 4.63
Jamaal Williams 4.60
Joe Williams 4.42
Stanley Williams 4.51
The times seem quite high today. Surprised to see most guys  
yatqb : 3/3/2017 2:07 pm : link
timed over 4.5, and guys like Pumphrey at only 4.49.
4.49 is flying for a RB  
gtt350 : 3/3/2017 2:13 pm : link
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Fournette runs as fast as McCaffrey  
PatersonPlank : 3/3/2017 2:15 pm : link
and he is 3 times the size.
RE: The times seem quite high today. Surprised to see most guys  
robbieballs2003 : 3/3/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13377846 yatqb said:
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timed over 4.5, and guys like Pumphrey at only 4.49.


I could be wrong but the RB numbers over the last few years have been horrible. These times seem pretty good this year.
Joe Williams  
OBJRoyal : 3/3/2017 2:59 pm : link
4.42 is pretty fast today.

Watched a few of his games. Love the way he runs
McCaffrey lit the combine up  
sjnyfan : 3/3/2017 3:15 pm : link
He had above average measurables but it was the drills where he looked exceptional.
RE: RE: Cam looked good  
Johnny5 : 3/3/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13377599 jeff57 said:
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I think he is the pick if he gets to us. If not I Love Lamp.


Big Lamp fan. Would rather have him.

Lamp seems to be having himself a nice little combine showing. Hmmm...
I don't think the OL class is as weak as advertised....  
Milton : 3/3/2017 3:35 pm : link
Years from now they may look back and see Robinson, Ramczyk, and Bolles as the Manning, Rivers, and Roethlisberger of their class. I think all three are keepers.
I just don't  
ryanmkeane : 3/3/2017 3:48 pm : link
see it with Bolles.
Christian McCaffrey going through position drills  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/3/2017 4:19 pm : link
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David Njoku  
Big Rick in FL : 3/3/2017 4:21 pm : link
6'4 246 with 10 inch hands and 35 1/2 inch arms. He did 21 reps of 225. Longer arms than JPP & he did 2 more reps. Can't see how the Giants don't fall in love with him.
RE: David Njoku  
est1986 : 3/3/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13377969 Big Rick in FL said:
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6'4 246 with 10 inch hands and 35 1/2 inch arms. He did 21 reps of 225. Longer arms than JPP & he did 2 more reps. Can't see how the Giants don't fall in love with him.


Can he play any DE?
RE: David Njoku  
Rjanyg : 3/3/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13377969 Big Rick in FL said:
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6'4 246 with 10 inch hands and 35 1/2 inch arms. He did 21 reps of 225. Longer arms than JPP & he did 2 more reps. Can't see how the Giants don't fall in love with him.


I Hope he is the pick. Screams a Reese pick.
McCaffrey  
TommyWiseau : 3/3/2017 5:21 pm : link
looking great in drills
Est  
Big Rick in FL : 3/3/2017 6:10 pm : link
Not sure why you'd ask that, but I'm sure it's not likely. Considering he came to Miami as a WR and now he is a TE.

Rjanyg  
Big Rick in FL : 3/3/2017 6:16 pm : link
I agree. He fits the size profile and he's an awesome athlete. He's also very young. He'll turn 21 in July. He also was very productive for Miami. He averaged 16.2 yards per catch. I read today that he averaged 11 yards AFTER the catch. He also had 8 TDs in 12 games last year. Which is 1 more than OJ Howard had in his entire Alabama career (46 games).

He does decent as a blocker. He's not great yet, but he was a WR just two years ago. So he still has work to do there. He has the frame to put on another 10-15 pounds. Plus insanely long arms which will help keep defenders off of him. Our very own Sy'56 said he's shown traits of being a dominant blocker. His upside is threw the roof. I think he can be a Jimmy Graham type receiver, but also an above average to good blocker.
Njoku  
beatrixkiddo : 3/3/2017 6:56 pm : link
Is my favorite TE in this class as well. Tremendous upside, kid is a weapon that would be perfect in this offense. Can move him around anywhere, I like him as a #1 TE with Adams as the 2. And yes he has shown he can be an effective blocker, people get a little carried away with that sometimes.
RE: Christian McCaffrey going through position drills  
Mark from Jersey : 3/3/2017 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13377965 gidiefor said:
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His drill work and agility was incredible. I was very surprised with only 10 reps though @ 200 lbs.
I agree about Njoku  
Vanzetti : 3/3/2017 9:35 pm : link
Jerry Reese is very much a measurables guy in the first round. And the hands and arm length on this guy are tremendous. Throw in good strength and speed. I don't think the Giants would pass on him. The bigger question is whether he will make it to 23.
RE: I agree about Njoku  
Rjanyg : 3/3/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13378217 Vanzetti said:
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Jerry Reese is very much a measurables guy in the first round. And the hands and arm length on this guy are tremendous. Throw in good strength and speed. I don't think the Giants would pass on him. The bigger question is whether he will make it to 23.


I think he is worth our 1st rounder. We all know Reese doesn't value the position but would make an exception with a twitchy athlete like Njoku.
Dion Dawkins  
jacob12 : 3/3/2017 11:55 pm : link
I thought Dawkins had an outstanding day.He has excellent speed for his size (5.11),and extraordinary agility(7.30)secs in the 3 cone drill.Dion finished a close second in the 3 cone drill.

Dawkins has excellent upper body strength,and exceptional lower body strength.Dion is 6-4 and has very long arms.He could be a guard or tackle.

Dawkins is not getting a lot of publicity, but he had a superb combine.I would not be surprised if he is a low first round pick.

RE: RE: I agree about Njoku  
Big Rick in FL : 3/4/2017 1:20 am : link
In comment 13378228 Rjanyg said:
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I think he is worth our 1st rounder. We all know Reese doesn't value the position but would make an exception with a twitchy athlete like Njoku.


Reese not valuing TEs is just not true. If TE is the best player on the board Reese will take them. Hitdog42 was spot on everything last offseason as was Jordan Raanan. They both said Hunter Henry was going to be our pick at 40 over Sterling Shepard. Unfortunately Henry was taken a few picks before our spot.
Bolles, Lamp up. Ramcyzk down  
jeff57 : 3/4/2017 8:35 am : link
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RE: Dion Dawkins  
Diver_Down : 3/4/2017 9:01 am : link
In comment 13378307 jacob12 said:
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I thought Dawkins had an outstanding day.He has excellent speed for his size (5.11),and extraordinary agility(7.30)secs in the 3 cone drill.Dion finished a close second in the 3 cone drill.

Dawkins has excellent upper body strength,and exceptional lower body strength.Dion is 6-4 and has very long arms.He could be a guard or tackle.

Dawkins is not getting a lot of publicity, but he had a superb combine.I would not be surprised if he is a low first round pick.


Dawkins definitely had a great combine. Mayock loves him as being a great value. He still thinks he will be a mid-round pick, but whoever picks him will get a great player. Will he last till the third? Probably not - especially after the combine. But if he is there in the third, you run to the podium. He won't be there at the end of the fourth.
Lack of dynamic Speed by the running backs overall was disappointing  
Torrag : 3/4/2017 9:22 am : link
Foreman with the stress fracture is a major red flag.
You guys have these 40 times  
Joey in VA : 3/4/2017 12:17 pm : link
All wonky. We're talking RBs, not DBs or WRs. Elliott ran a 4.47 last year at 225lbs and outruns most people in the league on the field. Sub 4.5 is exceptional for a RB, most will do 4.5-4.65 this isn't a huge surprise.
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