I have no opinion on whom the Giants should draft other than what I formulate from listening to the "experts" or reading what some of the more informed contributors to this site share.
But Mayock seems to be one that takes his job very seriously, and works hard at it..As a result, I tend to trust what he says.
I share the opinion that the Giants need to get better personnel on the OL. All season I was thinking, first 2 picks, go OL.
Now it appears that is not the smart thing to do.
and he also likes Forest Lamp in the first round
Maycock says 0/1?
and he also likes Forest Lamp in the first round
sorry -- that's backwards - Ryan Ramczyk top 20, Bolles - top 30
Lamp - top O lineman in the draft class
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the Giants are not the only team that needs O lineman and very likely that the top lineman will be taken before the Giants pick
I agree. The only place imo. 2-7 there are guys who may be value picks. In 1, we can get a playmaker on O or D.
Rankings didn't stop us massively reaching for Flowers and Pugh. I think Giants would love to have their pick of the litter for oline at 23.
If they all fall to us I'm not sure they jump on one if a good DT is there,especially if its a very good 3 technique or good 5 technique guy, presuming Hank is gone and not cheaply replaced.
I just have this feeling that the FO has a lot of unsurety about the LT picture and their ability to have a productive free agency to fix the OL in a WR and D-strong draft.
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were a way of preparing everyone for the return of the same offensive line. The Giants assessed the free agent market and the draft, and likely aren't impressed with what they see, so they're trying to pump up last year's group. A scary thought.
I don't think so at all. And, if they have the same starting 5 next year, they are not improving as a team.
Agree with Matt M, since I think Ben's comments are a smoke screen. Eli had nothing to do with this OL's weak run blocking.
Or stupidity of the same proportions.
Reese tells us that Eli is on the "back nine" (implying that he's going down-hill) and Mac tells us that Manning has to "step up", so "go easy" on Flowers.
I think MxAdoo's Eli comments were a way of saying that Eli needs to play better. I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to read anything more into it than that. The Giants have certainly been doing their due diligence on the OL at the combine.
There is no possible way they could play worse than Flowers did last season, and no, it wasnt a down year, and no, he can't be coached up, I dont care how young he is. The guy is a Guard moving forward. It's Eli's fault, the running backs need to be better, BS! Not doing anything more serious than acquiring a John Jerry or a Marshall Newhouse in free agency is nothing less than absolute denial of the shit show performers they have playing 3 out of 5 OL positions.
If there is no T worthy of a top 23 pick, then what will they get at 55 or later?
Sometimes things are as simple as they seem. Giants need to address the O line in free agency and the draft.
People harp on best a available player. It's bull. Neither Flowers or Pugh were the best available. Neither was David Wilson Anne he was grabbed. Teams try to marry need a value.
If your best OL is ranked 27 and he next best guy at another position is 23 and your need is greater on OL 4 spots is nothing. It's when u get a full whom you think is 15-20 spots higher falls u grab then. And that's early. RD 1 or 2. If the tackle position wasn't a shot show Flowers wouldn't babe be. The pick.
People harp on best a available player. It's bull. Neither Flowers or Pugh were the best available. Neither was David Wilson Anne he was grabbed. Teams try to marry need a value.
If your best OL is ranked 27 and he next best guy at another position is 23 and your need is greater on OL 4 spots is nothing. It's when u get a full whom you think is 15-20 spots higher falls u grab then. And that's early. RD 1 or 2. If the tackle position wasn't a shot show Flowers wouldn't babe be. The pick.
I agree with you.
If I have Cam Robinson graded as the 30th overall player...and he is there at 23...he likely is my pick. But there is a line that needs to be drawn on a scenario like that. Where that line is subjective...
What I usually do is add a point or 2 to a player of significant need.
Example...if Robinson grades at an 82...I shift him up to an 83 or 84. So if...say a cornerback is graded at 84...I still go Robinson.
If I have Cam Robinson graded as the 30th overall player...and he is there at 23...he likely is my pick.
If I'm Jerry Reese, I might feel comfortable knowing in all likelihood one of the top three OL will still be available at pick 23, but I wouldn't pat myself on the back over it because there may be somebody I have ranked in my top ten who is still available. McCaffrey's name comes to mind.
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Stupid to say no OL is worth a top 25 pick. Like if one goes 26 that's a OL if deal?
People harp on best a available player. It's bull. Neither Flowers or Pugh were the best available. Neither was David Wilson Anne he was grabbed. Teams try to marry need a value.
If your best OL is ranked 27 and he next best guy at another position is 23 and your need is greater on OL 4 spots is nothing. It's when u get a full whom you think is 15-20 spots higher falls u grab then. And that's early. RD 1 or 2. If the tackle position wasn't a shot show Flowers wouldn't babe be. The pick.
I agree with you.
If I have Cam Robinson graded as the 30th overall player...and he is there at 23...he likely is my pick. But there is a line that needs to be drawn on a scenario like that. Where that line is subjective...
What I usually do is add a point or 2 to a player of significant need.
Example...if Robinson grades at an 82...I shift him up to an 83 or 84. So if...say a cornerback is graded at 84...I still go Robinson.
Thanks Sy. I an only assume that's what most front offices do?
I''m sure the what I've seen there very well may be a stud CB there at 23 but if the It's that close you can't pretend the need of
That starting OL isn't there.
Rankings didn't stop us massively reaching for Flowers and Pugh. I think Giants would love to have their pick of the litter for oline at 23.
This BBI narrative that the Giants reached for Pugh is absolutely comical. Just freaking stop if you don't know what the hell youre talking about.
I believe a playmaker will be there at #23.
Robinson, the star left tackle for the Crimson Tide, was facing two misdemeanor charges for possession of marijuana and illegally carrying a firearm in addition to a felony charge of possession of a stolen firearm, while Jones -- a reserve defensive back -- was charged with two misdemeanors.
Did he get along with his teammates?
Did he get along with his coaches?
Does he have a violent temper?
Is he a drug addict?
Is he an alcoholic?
If the answers to the above questions are: yes, yes, no, no, no; I'm not concerned about his character.
If I'm Jerry Reese, I might feel comfortable knowing in all likelihood one of the top three OL will still be available at pick 23, but I wouldn't pat myself on the back over it because there may be somebody I have ranked in my top ten who is still available. McCaffrey's name comes to mind.
If one of the top 10 players on your board dropped to 23 -- wouldn't it follow that you are going to pick that player? Not sure what you are saying here