In light of his Combine performance, and after watching his highlight reel again, I went back and started watching more video of his play. And I'm not liking a lot of what I'm seeing. Maybe I'm just not watching the right games, or not watching what I should be, but he doesn't look particularly athletic compared to other TE prospects I've watched. But what I find even more alarming, I'm seeing plenty of drops, and drops of easy passes to catch. And these don't just look like concentration drops, but as if his hand/eye coordination isn't that great.
Anyone watch much of this guy through whole games and have more enlightened opinions on these issues?
Oh boy! A tall TE who drops passes and falls down. No wonder the Giants scouts are impressed. He's the perfect replacement for Donnell. :-(
I'm surprised by that, because watching him he more often seemed to have a surprising amount of difficulty with contested catches for someone so big.
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At 6'6" and 257 pounds with a 39 inch vertical, that's WR speed.
I graded him as a WR.
He didn't play in line at all in 2016.
RE: Hodges with a 4.58 forty...
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At 6'6" and 257 pounds with a 39 inch vertical, that's WR speed.
I graded him as a WR.
He didn't play in line at all in 2016.
If Hodges is going play WR, his hands become, IMO, the central issue. I don't want to see an Giant WR on the field who have problems holding onto catches.
I have a gut feeling the Giants have no interest in Shaheen. Giants drafts live or die by their own internal scouting and I'm not sure he was on their radar, and they seem very opinionated.
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troubling for sure, lack of blocking isn't.
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At 6'6" and 257 pounds with a 39 inch vertical, that's WR speed.
I graded him as a WR.
He didn't play in line at all in 2016.
If Hodges is going play WR, his hands become, IMO, the central issue. I don't want to see an Giant WR on the field who have problems holding onto catches.
If he truly has Iron Hands, there's no point in taking him at TE either.
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troubling for sure, lack of blocking isn't.
RE: Hodges with a 4.58 forty...
Sy'56 : 3/4/2017 3:13 pm : link : reply
In comment 13378708 Milton said:
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At 6'6" and 257 pounds with a 39 inch vertical, that's WR speed.
I graded him as a WR.
He didn't play in line at all in 2016.
If Hodges is going play WR, his hands become, IMO, the central issue. I don't want to see an Giant WR on the field who have problems holding onto catches.
If he truly has Iron Hands, there's no point in taking him at TE either.
Agreed!
The guy to watch is George Kittle.
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troubling for sure, lack of blocking isn't.
RE: Hodges with a 4.58 forty...
Sy'56 : 3/4/2017 3:13 pm : link : reply
In comment 13378708 Milton said:
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At 6'6" and 257 pounds with a 39 inch vertical, that's WR speed.
I graded him as a WR.
He didn't play in line at all in 2016.
If Hodges is going play WR, his hands become, IMO, the central issue. I don't want to see an Giant WR on the field who have problems holding onto catches.
If he truly has Iron Hands, there's no point in taking him at TE either.
Agreed!
He doesn't have hands of Iron though. Honestly, being a fan of VT there wasn't any vibe of Bucky Hodges has a drop problem. Most people felt secure if the ball was going his way.
I would also like to add, that he had shitty QB play up until last year, and that most of the plays he "Falls Down On" are in the corner of end zone for TDs and he is 100% concentrating on just bringing the ball down for the score. Other times its because he is getting hit way low because of his height.
hands and let's it 'get into him' too often. I also see a player with 20 TD's in his first three seasons playing the position.
Now we're not talking about a 1st Round pick. At least I'm not, but he's a mismatch, a physical freak, a weapon and just what the Dr. ordered in the red zone.
Bottomline is he's a good fit for what we need and has a very high ceiling as a prospect. Physically and athletically there is no reason he can't further develop and round out his game. What do we have coaches for?
Depending on the options at the time I'd draft him and I hope the Giants would as well.
I dunno. TE? WR? 6'6" with a 39" vertical is insane. And I assume his wingspan must be ridiculous. His catch radius must have it's own zip code. That's got to be something to work with, no?
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I guess me must be destined for success then.
He does not compare to Barden at all. He has played well at a way higher level then Barden ever did. He even scored over Eli Apple against Ohio State.
Benjamin is and was very physical. Even when in school. I just don't see that in what I've watched of Hodges. Not perticularly athletic in his play, not that good at holding onto passes and not very physical for his size doesn't really appeal to me.
The questions arise when projecting such a unique guy to the next level. How will he translate for your team/system? The answer is no one knows for sure and that's a risk. It's up for teams to decide and we'll see on draft day which one believes in the player.
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...with the edge to Hodges. Can he be that type of player in the NFL? I dunno but it could be fun to find out.
Benjamin is and was very physical. Even when in school. I just don't see that in what I've watched of Hodges. Not perticularly athletic in his play, not that good at holding onto passes and not very physical for his size doesn't really appeal to me.
Your crazy with the lack of physicality. He is not a great blocker, so if that's what your talking about then sure. But as a receiver he does a great job of being physical and using his height to his advantage and essentially block CBs out for a reception. Watch any of his tape and that is all over it.
Mike Evans is better comparison then Benjamin. Tall, slightly built receivers. Great for jump balls because of the wing span.
If we wanted someone to come into the slot and be a complete mismatch in coverage he is your guy. He can certainly stretch the seam with a 4.5 forty.
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...with the edge to Hodges. Can he be that type of player in the NFL? I dunno but it could be fun to find out.
Benjamin is and was very physical. Even when in school. I just don't see that in what I've watched of Hodges. Not perticularly athletic in his play, not that good at holding onto passes and not very physical for his size doesn't really appeal to me.
Your crazy with the lack of physicality. He is not a great blocker, so if that's what your talking about then sure. But as a receiver he does a great job of being physical and using his height to his advantage and essentially block CBs out for a reception. Watch any of his tape and that is all over it.
Mike Evans is better comparison then Benjamin. Tall, slightly built receivers. Great for jump balls because of the wing span.
If we wanted someone to come into the slot and be a complete mismatch in coverage he is your guy. He can certainly stretch the seam with a 4.5 forty.
Not only am I crazy, I can't type "particularly" either!
But I still don't see that physicality in what I've watched so far relative to his size. To me it looks like he can and does get pushed around.
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Bucky has such soft hands to catch the football that when the ball is thrown his way it’s like watching the ball melt into his hands like vanilla ice cream melts when it placed gentle on a warm piece of blueberry pie. He has sure hands never double clutching the ball and never seems to drop many balls. He likes the physical part of the receiver position and has just enough body control to adjust and catch contested passes....There is no receiver, tight end or running back in this draft with any more talent to catch the ball than Bucky has.
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It's not really that weird. Boylhart has a weird view on most players. That's why so many people are puzzled that you rely on his opinion so often! :)
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Bucky has such soft hands to catch the football that when the ball is thrown his way it’s like watching the ball melt into his hands like vanilla ice cream melts when it placed gentle on a warm piece of blueberry pie. He has sure hands never double clutching the ball and never seems to drop many balls. He likes the physical part of the receiver position and has just enough body control to adjust and catch contested passes....There is no receiver, tight end or running back in this draft with any more talent to catch the ball than Bucky has.
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It's not really that weird. Boylhart has a weird view on most players. That's why so many people are puzzled that you rely on his opinion so often! :)