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Rhett Ellison signs with Giants

SimpleMan : 3/9/2017 4:02 pm
4 years, $18M
Sorry forgot  
SimpleMan : 3/9/2017 4:03 pm : link
that is from Schefter


Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 52s53 seconds ago

Chris Baker 3-yr deal with Bucs...$6M+ per yr

Rhett Ellison 4-yr $18M deal with Giants with $8M fully guaranteed at signing
wow  
bigblue12 : 3/9/2017 4:03 pm : link
pretty big contract
Wow  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/9/2017 4:03 pm : link
that seems steep. Welcome Rhett
wtf  
BleedBlue : 3/9/2017 4:04 pm : link
thats ALOT
RE: Wow  
mphbullet36 : 3/9/2017 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13385958 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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that seems steep. Welcome Rhett


only 8 guaranteed
28 years old  
jlukes : 3/9/2017 4:05 pm : link
51 career receptions since 2012
It's not really a lot  
ryanmkeane : 3/9/2017 4:05 pm : link
...8M guaranteed? That's nothing
ouch  
JonC : 3/9/2017 4:05 pm : link
well, they worked him extensively back in his draft year, must have kept tabs and really liked what they saw.
This is a good pickup  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/9/2017 4:05 pm : link
They really needed a guy like Ellison.
RE: ouch  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 4:06 pm : link
In comment 13385970 JonC said:
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well, they worked him extensively back in his draft year, must have kept tabs and really liked what they saw.


Why ouch? Only 8 guaranteed over 4 years
Mac want to run his  
shelovesnycsports : 3/9/2017 4:06 pm : link
Multiple sets with the FB/HB/TE. A good way to beat the 2 deep zone packages.
A lot  
jeff57 : 3/9/2017 4:07 pm : link
But at least they have a TE who can block.
Interesting numbers.  
Brown Recluse : 3/9/2017 4:07 pm : link
Wonder how that will be earned on the field.
Good young player with starter upside  
Torrag : 3/9/2017 4:07 pm : link
Nice signing.
Ellison tore his Patellar tendon in December 2015  
jlukes : 3/9/2017 4:07 pm : link
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Bizarre  
Patrick77 : 3/9/2017 4:07 pm : link
But they must really like him. I'm thinking Will Johnson doesn't make it out of camp.
RE: 28 years old  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/9/2017 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13385966 jlukes said:
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51 career receptions since 2012


Blocking.

Blocking from both the TE and FB position.

That's why he is here.
Can he block?  
BlueHurricane : 3/9/2017 4:08 pm : link
????

What does this mean for Will Johnson?
Similar to Bennett  
jestersdead : 3/9/2017 4:08 pm : link
Back up TE who sat behind an All Pro TE and the league hasn't seen much of him
RE: Bizarre  
Rjanyg : 3/9/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13385995 Patrick77 said:
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But they must really like him. I'm thinking Will Johnson doesn't make it out of camp.


I thinks it is more like he won't MAKE IT TO camp.
Can he block?  
M.S. : 3/9/2017 4:09 pm : link
Never really used as a receiver.

I'll take the blocking.

Maybe it will rub off on our LT.
Bye bye  
Mkdaman1818 : 3/9/2017 4:09 pm : link
Bye bye Will Johnson
My man  
Joey in VA : 3/9/2017 4:09 pm : link
Can block
Hi Von, I'm Rhett - ( New Window )
Jeez, expensive  
aimrocky : 3/9/2017 4:09 pm : link
hopefully a diamond in the rough.
That's a lot of money, even in this market, for that type of player.  
Devon : 3/9/2017 4:09 pm : link
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RE: wtf  
Rflairr : 3/9/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13385964 BleedBlue said:
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thats ALOT


How do u figure? 8 mill guaranteed
If you watch his highlights  
BillT : 3/9/2017 4:10 pm : link
He looks like a guy that can catch and run pretty well. I gather he's considered a pretty good blocker. Nice.
RE: RE: ouch  
JonC : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13385984 Big Blue '56 said:
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well, they worked him extensively back in his draft year, must have kept tabs and really liked what they saw.



Why ouch? Only 8 guaranteed over 4 years


He's not exactly done a ton in the NFL.
Grossly overpaid  
The_Boss : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
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Getting paid for some projection  
Heisenberg : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
That means no Marty B. God speed, black unicorn.
He can catch  
Joey in VA : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
Too
Not bad - ( New Window )
Son of former 49er Riki Ellison  
Giants86 : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
for any of you old timers out there.
RE: That's a lot of money, even in this market, for that type of player.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13386013 Devon said:
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Is he better than Fasano? If so, he's younger..Also what is Fasano making with Dolphins? Asking because I don't know
He was stuck behind Rudolph as the #1 pass catching option...  
Torrag : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
...he has potential to make a quantum leap offensively. Remember Bennett caught 85 balls in Dallas in four seasons and has averaged 65 per since.
RE: Bye bye  
BillT : 3/9/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13386009 Mkdaman1818 said:
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Bye bye Will Johnson

Don't see this at all. I think they'd like to have the versatility both can bring.
RE: If you watch his highlights  
mphbullet36 : 3/9/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13386019 BillT said:
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He looks like a guy that can catch and run pretty well. I gather he's considered a pretty good blocker. Nice.


he kind of reminds me of Kevin Boss...similar build similar running style.

He doesn't look like he is fast but he looks like he can get down the field vertically like Boss did.
Maybe he can play Tackle or Guard  
Brown Recluse : 3/9/2017 4:14 pm : link
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We just told the world we are going  
Carl in CT : 3/9/2017 4:14 pm : link
OL in round 1.
Very familiar with Ellison  
Marty866b : 3/9/2017 4:15 pm : link
USC guy who will help the team. Very willing blocker who can block on the move as well as inline. Has fair speed and decent hands and will be a good special teams guy. Solid number two tight end and can play some fullback if needed. Solid signing.
What is his size?  
No Where Man : 3/9/2017 4:15 pm : link
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RE: We just told the world we are going  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13386044 Carl in CT said:
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OL in round 1.


That's kinda silly Carl..We're not going to force the pick..
RE: Grossly overpaid  
drkenneth : 3/9/2017 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13386024 The_Boss said:
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Would you please shut the fuck up?
Wonder  
BocaGiants91 : 3/9/2017 4:16 pm : link
What first year cap hit will be? Probally 3.25-3.5m cap hit first year, FA is crazy, im still wondering what there doing with OL, but so is everyone else.
We could have drafted him in 2012.  
Klaatu : 3/9/2017 4:16 pm : link
Instead we chose Adrien Robinson. Ellison was picked next, by the Vikings.
RE: RE: ouch  
Milton : 3/9/2017 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13385984 Big Blue '56 said:
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well, they worked him extensively back in his draft year, must have kept tabs and really liked what they saw.



Why ouch? Only 8 guaranteed over 4 years
It's $8M guaranteed over four years if he plays four years and gets paid $18M total. Which is not cheap. If he plays only one year, it's $8M guaranteed over one year.
RE: We could have drafted him in 2012.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13386057 Klaatu said:
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Instead we chose Adrien Robinson. Ellison was picked next, by the Vikings.


But you like this guy..Lawd knows we need a good blocking TE
Yes, a lot of money  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/9/2017 4:17 pm : link
but I like this guy. I wanted them to get this guy a year ago, but he was coming off that injury, and re-upped with Minnesota on a one-year contract.
RE: RE: Grossly overpaid  
KingBlue : 3/9/2017 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13386052 drkenneth said:
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Would you please shut the fuck up?


This!
RE: What is his size?  
BillT : 3/9/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13386049 No Where Man said:
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6'5", 250 officially.
This is  
Old Dirty Beckham : 3/9/2017 4:18 pm : link
dumb.
RE: What is his size?  
jeff57 : 3/9/2017 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13386049 No Where Man said:
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6-4 250.
His wife is super hot fashion model Raina Hein  
Canton : 3/9/2017 4:19 pm : link
Holy free agent prices, Batman  
bigbluehoya : 3/9/2017 4:19 pm : link
Look at this market. This is why it's crucial to bring home some serious bacon from the draft year in and year out.

Can't go crazy without seeing the details of the contract, but this seems like big $ for a big recent injury.
RE: Good young player with starter upside  
pjcas18 : 3/9/2017 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13385991 Torrag said:
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Nice signing.


He's older than JPP, he's not a young player with upside. He's a versatile JAG. Which the Giants need.

Not complaining about the signing, but he's not young at 28, turning 29 early in the season.
RE: He was stuck behind Rudolph as the #1 pass catching option...  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/9/2017 4:19 pm : link
Torrag said:
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...he has potential to make a quantum leap offensively. Remember Bennett caught 85 balls in Dallas in four seasons and has averaged 65 per since.
Not to mention the way Shiancoe blossomed in Minnesota after escaping Shockey's shadow.

IDK whether the Giants envision Ellison as a major factor in the passing game, but at least he's a target the defense has to account for.
His wife probably wanted NY more than he did lol  
Canton : 3/9/2017 4:19 pm : link
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Johnson was NOT an inline blocking TE. He stays as FB, H-Back  
Ivan15 : 3/9/2017 4:19 pm : link
Ellison will be a TE/H-Back and rarely FB.

I would say this means Bye, Bye, Tye. Johnson stays.

If you are going to run an offense with inline TE, H-Back and Fullback, you need to have at least 2 guys to back up all the positions in a pinch.
More dumpster diving at tight end  
Mr. Bungle : 3/9/2017 4:20 pm : link
for Reese.

51 catches, 3 TDs in 5 years. Yay. Problem solved.
would Rhett be are no 1 TE out of the gate?  
32_Razor : 3/9/2017 4:20 pm : link
other then FB?
With today's cap  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/9/2017 4:20 pm : link
His contract isn't exactly something I'm going to lose sleep over.

18 over 4 years, a lot for this kind of player? Perhaps,but not a huge cap hit.

But by all means, let's keep whining.

RE: RE: Grossly overpaid  
The_Boss : 3/9/2017 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13386052 drkenneth said:
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Would you please shut the fuck up?


For you?
Absolutely not.
Good get  
The_Taxman : 3/9/2017 4:21 pm : link
A little more than I thought he'd get, but a good signing nonetheless. I would've like to have both Ellison and Fasano with Ellison playing mostly at FB and Fasano as the #2 blocking TE. That would've helped out the line and running game immensely. But it looks like Reese wanted one or the other. Hopefully JPP signs an extension soon. That'll open up 6 to 7 mil so we can ho after a 2nd tier OL like Rief or Lang.
RE: More dumpster diving at tight end  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/9/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13386083 Mr. Bungle said:
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for Reese.

51 catches, 3 TDs in 5 years. Yay. Problem solved.


Next time get a clue before you open your mouth.
Will Johnson  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/9/2017 4:22 pm : link
must not be very healthy still
RE: RE: We could have drafted him in 2012.  
Klaatu : 3/9/2017 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13386064 Big Blue '56 said:
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Instead we chose Adrien Robinson. Ellison was picked next, by the Vikings.



But you like this guy..Lawd knows we need a good blocking TE


I do like him. I just hope he stays healthy.
RE: would Rhett be are no 1 TE out of the gate?  
jeff57 : 3/9/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13386084 32_Razor said:
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other then FB?

Doubt it. He'll be the blocking TE. Hopefully, they'll be able to get someone like a Njoku, Engram or Everett in the draft.
Some short clips in this Micd Up Von Miller Clip as well  
Young Elijah : 3/9/2017 4:23 pm : link
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8 million Dollar Man - ( New Window )
I would venture that Will Johnson  
bigblue12 : 3/9/2017 4:23 pm : link
is a goner.
Sorry meant to add  
Young Elijah : 3/9/2017 4:24 pm : link
not great stuff from 35-43 seconds.

Then again its Von.
Don't  
AcidTest : 3/9/2017 4:25 pm : link
know much about him, but that seems like a lot. Could blossom, because he was stuck behind Rudolph. But tore his patellar tendon in 2015. Not sure who is gone. We have .32 in cap space left.
It's hard to imagine him posing much of a threat up the seam.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/9/2017 4:25 pm : link
He ran a 4.88 40 at the combine in 2012, and suffered a Cruz-type injury in 2015.

If nothing else, this signing indicates that the team has acknowledged the hole that was created last year when both Johnson and Whitlock went down. It does raise the question of why so little was done to fill that hole at the time.
Wow Reese you can over pay for FB,  
prdave73 : 3/9/2017 4:25 pm : link
But not for an Olineman?? Lol
Very underrated player  
Peppers : 3/9/2017 4:26 pm : link
He's a perfect fit for our offense. Blocks well inline and as the lead blocker. Under utilized to this point in his career. I think he'll blossom here.
Combine #'s from 2012  
Vegas Steve : 3/9/2017 4:26 pm : link
Pre-draft measurables


Ht

Wt

40-yd dash

10-yd split

20-yd split

20-ss

3-cone

Vert

Broad

BP

6 ft 5 in 251 lb 4.69 s 1.63 s 2.77 s 4.39 s 7.16 s 32.5 in 9 ft 3 in
All values from NFL Combine and Pro Day[6]
Don't get the Will Johnson comments  
BillT : 3/9/2017 4:29 pm : link
He's 6'2" 240 and plays FB/H-Back. Ellison plays end-of-the -line TE. What? We have so many versatile weapons we're giving them away. Hey, maybe his injury is bad but it that's so, why wasn't he already released.
The best part about this deal?....  
Milton : 3/9/2017 4:30 pm : link
It ends any talk of the Giants signing Martellus Bennett!
Welcome aboard.  
bceagle05 : 3/9/2017 4:31 pm : link
Now go find Ereck Flowers and stand by his side - might as well get used to it now.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/9/2017 4:34 pm : link
Big Blue Interactive‏ @BigBlueInteract 1m1 minute ago

I'm not sure the Giants cut Will Johnson. They may see him more as a FB and Rhett Ellison more as a tight end/H-Back.
Eh, Mike Matthews 2.0  
Suburbanites : 3/9/2017 4:35 pm : link
I get they need a blocking TE, still with all the offensive linemen FA's who signed elsewhere today, hard to get excited about this.
RE: Bye bye  
Beer Man : 3/9/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13386009 Mkdaman1818 said:
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Bye bye Will Johnson
not necessarily, the team had no fullback last year after Johnson was ir'd. Having both gives the team more flexibility between FB & TE. I think Tye and LaCross have more to worry about
RE: Eh, Mike Matthews 2.0  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13386144 Suburbanites said:
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I get they need a blocking TE, still with all the offensive linemen FA's who signed elsewhere today, hard to get excited about this.


I'd be ok with Okung, but once Whitworth was signed, who was really worth the huge bucks given out, even if we were flush with cap money?

Zeitler was out of our financial grasp and probably Warford as well..

Chance Warmack might be worth signing..Depends on the Giants POV. I understand they liked him the year he came out
Kennard approves  
pjcas18 : 3/9/2017 4:36 pm : link
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Devon Kennard‏Verified account @DevonKennard 40s41 seconds ago

GREAT pick up @Giants Rhett is one of best blockers at TE I've ever gone against college or pros! We bout to have some battles in camp!
RE: RE: We just told the world we are going  
Old Dirty Beckham : 3/9/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13386050 Big Blue '56 said:
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OL in round 1.



That's kinda silly Carl..We're not going to force the pick..


Right cause the giants have never forced a pick? Ereck Flowers, Justin Pugh, David Wilson to name a few.
So I bet they don't run 11  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/9/2017 4:37 pm : link
95% of the time next year. Seems Reese and McAdoo figured it was an issue
RE: Welcome aboard.  
27 : 3/9/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13386135 Milton said:
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It ends any talk of the Giants signing Martellus Bennett!


In comment 13386136 bceagle05 said:
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Now go find Ereck Flowers and stand by his side - might as well get used to it now.


A big +1 to both of these comments.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/9/2017 4:38 pm : link
Devon Kennard‏Verified account @DevonKennard

GREAT pick up @Giants Rhett is one of best blockers at TE I've ever gone against college or pros! We bout to have some battles in camp!
There really was no OT  
JonC : 3/9/2017 4:38 pm : link
worth open market dollars.
RE: RE: RE: We just told the world we are going  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13386152 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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OL in round 1.



That's kinda silly Carl..We're not going to force the pick..



Right cause the giants have never forced a pick? Ereck Flowers, Justin Pugh, David Wilson to name a few.


They didn't force the pick at all..They liked Flowers, they liked Pugh and, after Martin was taken a pick before them, they chose Wilson at 32, which was in effect a second rounder
Kennard gave him a good reference  
adamg : 3/9/2017 4:39 pm : link
On twittah
RE: Will Johnson  
Diver_Down : 3/9/2017 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13386098 gidiefor said:
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must not be very healthy still


Looks like he's doing fine.
Will Johnson Status Update - ( New Window )
What you need to know:  
Klaatu : 3/9/2017 4:40 pm : link
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Ellison is of Māori descent. He is the son of three-time Super bowl winner Riki Ellison, a former USC and NFL linebacker.[7] He is also of Ngāi Tahu descent and is the grandnephew of the first captain of the All Blacks, Thomas Ellison, who led New Zealand on their first tour to Australia in 1893. He is also related to current New Zealand rugby union players Jacob Ellison and Tamati Ellison.[8][9] Ellison completed a bachelor's degree in international relations from USC and a master's degree in communication management. He is married to fashion model Raina Hein, runner-up of Cycle 14 of America's Next Top Model.[10]


IT'S HAKA TIME IN EAST RUTHERFORD!
Last year  
Matt in SGS : 3/9/2017 4:40 pm : link
McAdoo was joking around with Johnson when he was discussing what role he has in the offense, and it led in part to this article

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"Sure," McAdoo said when asked if Johnson is a fullback, tight end, or both. Then, when pressed as to what the Giants liked about Johnson, McAdoo only said, "We like Will. We feel he has some versatility on offense and special teams and he's been a good addition so far."

So, let's ask Johnson: Are you a fullback? Tight end? Both?

"Yes, I'm both," said Johnson, who did divulge he is currently working out of the tight ends position room. "The more I can do to contribute to this offense and help out, I'm more than capable of doing. Whether that's fullback, tight end, short yardage runner, whatever. I did that all in Pittsburgh, so I'm familiar with it."


I don't know if Johnson is healthy or not, but it would appear that Ellison was signed to do what the Giants thought they were getting out of Johnson last year. And considering the cap situation and roster space, it doesn't make much sense to keep Johnson on the roster with this signing, even if they want a fullback.

Maybe they will try to use Ellison similar to what they did with former TE/HBack Dan Campbell, who they also played some at fullback years ago.
JC Tretter signed a  
Old Dirty Beckham : 3/9/2017 4:41 pm : link
3 yr 16 million deal at guard. Hard to convince me that wouldnt have been a better deal than signing this guy to play TE.

With Jerell Adams projection as a blocker + Will Johnson, I have to think Tretter at G helps #Giants more than Rhett Ellison. Similar deals.
Having a TE that can block  
RobCarpenter : 3/9/2017 4:41 pm : link
Is a big deal for this team. The Giants might have had the worst blocking TEs last year in the NFL.
RE: RE: RE: RE: We just told the world we are going  
pjcas18 : 3/9/2017 4:41 pm : link
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That's kinda silly Carl..We're not going to force the pick..



Right cause the giants have never forced a pick? Ereck Flowers, Justin Pugh, David Wilson to name a few.



They didn't force the pick at all..They liked Flowers, they liked Pugh and, after Martin was taken a pick before them, they chose Wilson at 32, which was in effect a second rounder


I never get this philosophy:

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...they chose Wilson at 32, which was in effect a second rounder..


Does it work in reverse, when the Browns take someone at 33 is it in effect a first rounder, is the 34th pick in effect a first rounder? Is 31 in effect a second rounder?

There's 32 picks in the round (unless the Patriots lose one for cheating) they're all 1st round picks, not in effect anything.

Not picking on you, a lot of people say this, what am I missing?

This type of player was actually a major need.  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2017 4:41 pm : link
I didn't expect to have to pay this much to get it.. but this is most certainly an element that was missing from our offense last year. Big time.
RE: RE: Grossly overpaid  
Rory : 3/9/2017 4:41 pm : link
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Would you please shut the fuck up?


Yes please
RE: RE: RE: RE: We just told the world we are going  
Old Dirty Beckham : 3/9/2017 4:42 pm : link
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That's kinda silly Carl..We're not going to force the pick..



Right cause the giants have never forced a pick? Ereck Flowers, Justin Pugh, David Wilson to name a few.



They didn't force the pick at all..They liked Flowers, they liked Pugh and, after Martin was taken a pick before them, they chose Wilson at 32, which was in effect a second rounder


They drafted Pugh and Flowers when they had DIRE Needs at the position. Pugh was like the 7th lineman taken in that rd.

Do the Giants take Collins if not for his name being around in a murder case? Give me a break. They fucking forced those picks.
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annexOPR : 3/9/2017 4:43 pm : link
This will indirectly improve line play, especially in the run game

RE: RE: Eh, Mike Matthews 2.0  
Suburbanites : 3/9/2017 4:43 pm : link
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I get they need a blocking TE, still with all the offensive linemen FA's who signed elsewhere today, hard to get excited about this.



I'd be ok with Okung, but once Whitworth was signed, who was really worth the huge bucks given out, even if we were flush with cap money?

Zeitler was out of our financial grasp and probably Warford as well..

Chance Warmack might be worth signing..Depends on the Giants POV. I understand they liked him the year he came out


I agree but I'm frustrated, what I say. I really thought they needed to get a veteran Guard or OT in FA and it ain't happening.
RE: RE: RE: Grossly overpaid  
Rory : 3/9/2017 4:43 pm : link
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Would you please shut the fuck up?



For you?
Absolutely not.


8mil guaranteed , that's all that matters.
RE: RE: Eh, Mike Matthews 2.0  
pjcas18 : 3/9/2017 4:44 pm : link
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I get they need a blocking TE, still with all the offensive linemen FA's who signed elsewhere today, hard to get excited about this.



I'd be ok with Okung, but once Whitworth was signed, who was really worth the huge bucks given out, even if we were flush with cap money?

Zeitler was out of our financial grasp and probably Warford as well..

Chance Warmack might be worth signing..Depends on the Giants POV. I understand they liked him the year he came out


Warmack to Eagles
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: We just told the world we are going  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 4:44 pm : link
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That's kinda silly Carl..We're not going to force the pick..



Right cause the giants have never forced a pick? Ereck Flowers, Justin Pugh, David Wilson to name a few.



They didn't force the pick at all..They liked Flowers, they liked Pugh and, after Martin was taken a pick before them, they chose Wilson at 32, which was in effect a second rounder



They drafted Pugh and Flowers when they had DIRE Needs at the position. Pugh was like the 7th lineman taken in that rd.

Do the Giants take Collins if not for his name being around in a murder case? Give me a break. They fucking forced those picks.


You're impossible to have a discussion with..Everything is a fucking fact with you..No need to engage with you moving forward
Not sure I get this deal  
dpinzow : 3/9/2017 4:45 pm : link
Ellison is a good blocker but what else does he do out of the TE position
RE: RE: RE: ouch  
robbieballs2003 : 3/9/2017 4:46 pm : link
In comment 13386060 Milton said:
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well, they worked him extensively back in his draft year, must have kept tabs and really liked what they saw.



Why ouch? Only 8 guaranteed over 4 years

It's $8M guaranteed over four years if he plays four years and gets paid $18M total. Which is not cheap. If he plays only one year, it's $8M guaranteed over one year.


Not true. If he plays one year then it would be approximately $2 bonus and base salary for the first year. If he is released after that then we would have approximately $6 million in dead money for 2018.
RE: Not sure I get this deal  
Klaatu : 3/9/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13386196 dpinzow said:
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Ellison is a good blocker but what else does he do out of the TE position


I don't know. What did Visanthe Shiancoe or Martellus Bennett do before they were traded?
how on Earth  
santacruzom : 3/9/2017 4:48 pm : link
are you so confidently asserting that David Wilson was a "forced pick?"
With  
AcidTest : 3/9/2017 4:48 pm : link
his blocking ability, I wonder if this indicates the Giants might be more willing to take a TE who can stretch the seam, even if he isn't a good blocker. This is about improving the run game, and protecting Eli.
RE: We just told the world we are going  
SHO'NUFF : 3/9/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13386044 Carl in CT said:
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OL in round 1.


or RB. Unless Lacy signs.
RE: RE: Not sure I get this deal  
Klaatu : 3/9/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13386205 Klaatu said:
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Ellison is a good blocker but what else does he do out of the TE position



I don't know. What did Visanthe Shiancoe or Martellus Bennett do before they were traded?


Excuse me...not traded. Left in free agency for a better opportunity.
RE: RE: Will Johnson  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/9/2017 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13386165 Diver_Down said:
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must not be very healthy still



Looks like he's doing fine. Will Johnson Status Update - ( New Window )


Raanan :

FB/TE Rhett Ellison was a move that makes sense for Giants. They couldn't go into season with Will Johnson as... http://es.pn/2mMfxHh
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Looking at the prices  
sshin05 : 3/9/2017 4:51 pm : link
receivers are getting in this market. It's almost imperative to sign Odell to a long-term contract after the season.
Hell...Jake Ballard was slow as molasses...  
Klaatu : 3/9/2017 4:51 pm : link
But he still caught 38 passes for 604 yards - a whopping 15.9 ypc - in 2011.
8 mil guaranteed  
fkap : 3/9/2017 4:51 pm : link
is nothing to be cavalier about. For that kind of ka-ching they have to be sure about the guy. It's not break the bank money, but it's not take a flier money, either. depends on how they structure it. With the tight cap, I'm guessing it's something like a signing bonus that can be spread over the length of the contract, or guaranteed salary for next year. any salary this year is almost de facto guaranteed regardless of whether it technically is or not.

an actual blocking TE? I like it. Be glad, but don't grab him for your FF team.
RE: how on Earth  
UConn4523 : 3/9/2017 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13386206 santacruzom said:
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are you so confidently asserting that David Wilson was a "forced pick?"


Because he read it somewhere or it simply fits an argument.

The guy was the last pick in the first round and with the way the league was changing, his skill set would have been amazing to build around. Very few teams have every down backs, they matter less an less in the current NFL.
RE: RE: how on Earth  
Old Dirty Beckham : 3/9/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13386224 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13386206 santacruzom said:


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are you so confidently asserting that David Wilson was a "forced pick?"



Because he read it somewhere or it simply fits an argument.

The guy was the last pick in the first round and with the way the league was changing, his skill set would have been amazing to build around. Very few teams have every down backs, they matter less an less in the current NFL.


The fact he didnt argue the other two means I'm right. I'll take it. 2 out of 3 aint bad.
Gidie -  
Diver_Down : 3/9/2017 4:53 pm : link
No way to know if Johnson will be ready when it comes time to strap on the pads, but when you have suffered a stinger affecting the neck/shoulder 6 months later you are lifting 500lbs with the same neck/shoulder, I would guess he's feeling much better.
Ellison is Last Years Will Johnson  
Bluesbreaker : 3/9/2017 4:54 pm : link
Maybe He is not healthy.....
RE: ...  
barens : 3/9/2017 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13386156 Eric from BBI said:
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Devon Kennard‏Verified account @DevonKennard

GREAT pick up @Giants Rhett is one of best blockers at TE I've ever gone against college or pros! We bout to have some battles in camp!


They were both Trojans...
RE: RE: RE: Will Johnson  
shelovesnycsports : 3/9/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13386215 gidiefor said:
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must not be very healthy still



Looks like he's doing fine. Will Johnson Status Update - ( New Window )



Raanan :

FB/TE Rhett Ellison was a move that makes sense for Giants. They couldn't go into season with Will Johnson as... http://es.pn/2mMfxHh Link - ( New Window )

Wow Jordan reads BBI great scope there .
Ellison is more of a TE/H-B type  
B in ALB : 3/9/2017 4:59 pm : link
I'd say. He's an in-line blocker picked up to help the Tackles on this team, play in a big package on short yardage and goal line and catch the ball every now and then.

Name me one player on this team that could do that last year? I'll wait.

And if it's $8M gtd over 4 years, you're talking chump change for a guy who will improve your blocking schemes and run game.

This still leaves BPA open during the draft which is how Reese will approach it. That includes the TE's certainly and to some extent the OL available - though i'm a bit bearish on those guys at this point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ouch  
Milton : 3/9/2017 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13386199 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13386060 Milton said: It's $8M guaranteed over four years if he plays four years and gets paid $18M total. Which is not cheap. If he plays only one year, it's $8M guaranteed over one year.

Not true. If he plays one year then it would be approximately $2 bonus and base salary for the first year. If he is released after that then we would have approximately $6 million in dead money for 2018.
I have no idea what you're talking about. If he plays only one year with the team, his compensation for that year of play will be $8M. It will be spread over two years in terms of the salary cap, but the $8M he receives will be very real. And it will be for the one year he played.

On the other hand, if he plays the full four years of his contract, he will be compensated $18M. Of which $8M was guaranteed.
Are you following me? - ( New Window )
RE: RE: ...  
Canton : 3/9/2017 5:01 pm : link
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Devon Kennard‏Verified account @DevonKennard

GREAT pick up @Giants Rhett is one of best blockers at TE I've ever gone against college or pros! We bout to have some battles in camp!



They were both Trojans...


A Trojan? Well, we had a hole and...he filled it
He creates competition  
Patrick77 : 3/9/2017 5:04 pm : link
I think he is expensive but I'm sure they know something about him that makes him worth it.

Now at TE/FB/H-B the giants have:

Will Johnson
Rhett Ellison
Matt Lacosse
Will Tye
Jerell Adams

So at the very least 1 of those guys isn't on the team next season, likely 2 if the Giants draft another guy.
BBI Update...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/9/2017 5:06 pm : link
FYI...
New York Giants Sign Rhett Ellison - ( New Window )
Sounds kind of like TEs we've  
Simms11 : 3/9/2017 5:07 pm : link
had here before that were big contributors to this team.....Dan Campbell, Howard Cross, Bear Pascoe. Giants offenses have always excelled with two TE sets. I'm sure he's not being brought in to catch many passes. He's going to help with our running game however. He'll play a nice role in this offense.
The only money that matters is the guarantee dollars.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2017 5:08 pm : link
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RE: Ellison is more of a TE/H-B type  
BurlyMan : 3/9/2017 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13386248 B in ALB said:
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Name me one player on this team that could do that last year? I'll wait.


Bravo!
$ 2 million per year (for 4 years)  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/9/2017 5:12 pm : link
for a TE that is a very good blocker is going to help our tackles with blocking, which they desperately need? Basically, $2 million per year for an extra OL that can block and will help Flowers? Sign me up.
Will Johnson is a good run;/pass blocker.  
shelovesnycsports : 3/9/2017 5:13 pm : link
You can now put both these guys on the field and even get a few passes caught to move the chains. Add the TE from Miami and you now can do some serious damage to those 2 deep zones.
Wonder if this affects Giants drafting a TE with first pick  
kinard : 3/9/2017 5:16 pm : link
... hope not
The Giants running game needs help  
Matt in SGS : 3/9/2017 5:17 pm : link
and it's not just on the offensive line. The 2 signings so far, with Marshall and Ellison, the Giants have players who can help in the running game by blocking. You know how many plays were blown up by having Donnell shoved into a running lane or missing a block. And even from the WR spot, having a WR that was good blocking out on screens.

I think it's fairly obvious the Giants will be going for a TE early in the draft, and they would expect that TE to provide some more explosion as an offensive weapon in the passing game. Right now you have a developing TE Adams who saw more of the field as the season went along, a JAG in Will Tye, and now a strong blocker in Ellison. Go and get a good pass catching TE in the draft, and the Giants can use him in the offense and Ellison can see the field as a hybrid TE/H-back/FB and stay on the field and shift around.

The signings so far from the Giants have been smart and fill needs. This offseason is about "fixing" the offense and turning this team into a Super Bowl contender. So far they have addressed 2 gaps on the 2016 team.
RE: Wonder if this affects Giants drafting a TE with first pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2017 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13386289 kinard said:
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... hope not


You mean that it might lower their chances? No. But I don't think they would do it anyway unless one of the top guys falls in their lap.
Giants will  
oldog : 3/9/2017 5:19 pm : link
go O-Line in the draft, no doubt, so chill everyone.
RE: $ 2 million per year (for 4 years)  
Mason : 3/9/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13386282 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for a TE that is a very good blocker is going to help our tackles with blocking, which they desperately need? Basically, $2 million per year for an extra OL that can block and will help Flowers? Sign me up.


Basically they got Flowers help with this move. Watch Ellison spend most of his time next to Flowers. I think they are more interested in OG in the draft where there are good interior guys over OTs. I think John Jerry will be back to compete with a draft pick.

With Ellison and Johnson blocking will improve.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ouch  
robbieballs2003 : 3/9/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13386253 Milton said:
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In comment 13386060 Milton said: It's $8M guaranteed over four years if he plays four years and gets paid $18M total. Which is not cheap. If he plays only one year, it's $8M guaranteed over one year.

Not true. If he plays one year then it would be approximately $2 bonus and base salary for the first year. If he is released after that then we would have approximately $6 million in dead money for 2018.

I have no idea what you're talking about. If he plays only one year with the team, his compensation for that year of play will be $8M. It will be spread over two years in terms of the salary cap, but the $8M he receives will be very real. And it will be for the one year he played.

On the other hand, if he plays the full four years of his contract, he will be compensated $18M. Of which $8M was guaranteed. Are you following me? - ( New Window )


I understand real money and cap money. Real money doesn't mean anything to fans. It is all about the cap. Plus, if you are talking about real money it would be $8 million PLUS his base salary.
RE: RE: RE: how on Earth  
Capt. Don : 3/9/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13386228 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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In comment 13386206 santacruzom said:


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are you so confidently asserting that David Wilson was a "forced pick?"



Because he read it somewhere or it simply fits an argument.

The guy was the last pick in the first round and with the way the league was changing, his skill set would have been amazing to build around. Very few teams have every down backs, they matter less an less in the current NFL.



The fact he didnt argue the other two means I'm right. I'll take it. 2 out of 3 aint bad.


you're not right.
RE: The Giants running game needs help  
shelovesnycsports : 3/9/2017 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13386290 Matt in SGS said:
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and it's not just on the offensive line. The 2 signings so far, with Marshall and Ellison, the Giants have players who can help in the running game by blocking. You know how many plays were blown up by having Donnell shoved into a running lane or missing a block. And even from the WR spot, having a WR that was good blocking out on screens.

I think it's fairly obvious the Giants will be going for a TE early in the draft, and they would expect that TE to provide some more explosion as an offensive weapon in the passing game. Right now you have a developing TE Adams who saw more of the field as the season went along, a JAG in Will Tye, and now a strong blocker in Ellison. Go and get a good pass catching TE in the draft, and the Giants can use him in the offense and Ellison can see the field as a hybrid TE/H-back/FB and stay on the field and shift around.

The signings so far from the Giants have been smart and fill needs. This offseason is about "fixing" the offense and turning this team into a Super Bowl contender. So far they have addressed 2 gaps on the 2016 team.


I think everyone knows the Giants like the 2 big TEs in the draft. Reese loves UM products.
When he heard that BBI said that he was overpaid  
Marty in Albany : 3/9/2017 5:21 pm : link
Rhett said, "Franky, I don't give a damn."
we desperately need gritty lunch pail players for this offense  
djm : 3/9/2017 5:21 pm : link
especially after landing marshall. Let's hope Ellison adds something.
Seems kind of expensive, but WTH do I know  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/9/2017 5:22 pm : link
...
brian kozlowski  
Les in TO : 3/9/2017 5:22 pm : link
2.0
RE: The Giants running game needs help  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13386290 Matt in SGS said:
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and it's not just on the offensive line. The 2 signings so far, with Marshall and Ellison, the Giants have players who can help in the running game by blocking. You know how many plays were blown up by having Donnell shoved into a running lane or missing a block. And even from the WR spot, having a WR that was good blocking out on screens.

I think it's fairly obvious the Giants will be going for a TE early in the draft, and they would expect that TE to provide some more explosion as an offensive weapon in the passing game. Right now you have a developing TE Adams who saw more of the field as the season went along, a JAG in Will Tye, and now a strong blocker in Ellison. Go and get a good pass catching TE in the draft, and the Giants can use him in the offense and Ellison can see the field as a hybrid TE/H-back/FB and stay on the field and shift around.

The signings so far from the Giants have been smart and fill needs. This offseason is about "fixing" the offense and turning this team into a Super Bowl contender. So far they have addressed 2 gaps on the 2016 team.


Speculation of course, but even with last year's OL (no, I do not want to stand pat), there is little doubt in my mind that had we had Marshall on the other side of OBJ, we would have been in the NFCC with that D of ours, even without JPP..The Marshall signing was huge and the Ellison signing might prove to be as well..Two needs, filled nearly an hour and a half into FA
And not  
oldog : 3/9/2017 5:23 pm : link
TE, no real need now.
RE: When he heard that BBI said that he was overpaid  
blueblood : 3/9/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13386304 Marty in Albany said:
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Rhett said, "Franky, I don't give a damn."


post of the day
Someone tell  
Old Dirty Beckham : 3/9/2017 5:26 pm : link
me how this guy helps blocking on 3rd and 7?

This money could have been used towards a linemen.
RE: Someone tell  
Patrick77 : 3/9/2017 5:31 pm : link
In comment 13386320 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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me how this guy helps blocking on 3rd and 7?

This money could have been used towards a linemen.


This money wouldn't by one quarter of a lineman signed so far lol. The Giants had zero FBs last year and no blocking at TE. Tye might actually be inactive on game days going forward.
Jake Butt  
Carson53 : 3/9/2017 5:32 pm : link
anyone? They can get him later in draft, bizarre move here.
What part of 8 mill. GTD don't some understand on Ellison?
Perusing the comments, geez.
RE: Someone tell  
AnnapolisMike : 3/9/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13386320 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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me how this guy helps blocking on 3rd and 7?

This money could have been used towards a linemen.


Park him next to Flowers....that's how he helps
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ouch  
Milton : 3/9/2017 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13386300 robbieballs2003 said:
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It is all about the cap. Plus, if you are talking about real money it would be $8 million PLUS his base salary.
If he plays only one year, the $8M all hits the cap, it just gets divided between two years (or potentially three, I guess, if he has guaranteed salary in year three of the deal).

And I think it's safe to assume that his base salary in 2017 is part of the $8M that is guaranteed, so no it won't be "$8 million PLUS his base salary" that he would receive if he only played one year.
RE: Someone tell  
Klaatu : 3/9/2017 5:33 pm : link
In comment 13386320 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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me how this guy helps blocking on 3rd and 7?

This money could have been used towards a linemen.


Maybe if he helps us run better on 1st and 2nd downs, we can avoid a lot of 3rd and 7's.
From Stapleton  
Mkdaman1818 : 3/9/2017 5:33 pm : link
#Giants decided Rhett Ellison lining up next to their tackles for price paid to this point better investment to OL than big $ OL in market
Link - ( New Window )
Johnson and Ellison  
area junc : 3/9/2017 5:34 pm : link
are 2 completely different players. Ellison will line up at the LOS and has prototype TE size.

Johnson is built like a FB.

We just need to go back to carrying a FB and we can (and should) keep both of these guys. Along with Marshall replacing Cruz we've upgraded our supplemental blocking dramatically
RE: Grossly overpaid  
BMac : 3/9/2017 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13386024 The_Boss said:
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Little Mary Sunshine leaks another fart.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ouch  
robbieballs2003 : 3/9/2017 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13386332 Milton said:
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It is all about the cap. Plus, if you are talking about real money it would be $8 million PLUS his base salary.

If he plays only one year, the $8M all hits the cap, it just gets divided between two years (or potentially three, I guess, if he has guaranteed salary in year three of the deal).

And I think it's safe to assume that his base salary in 2017 is part of the $8M that is guaranteed, so no it won't be "$8 million PLUS his base salary" that he would receive if he only played one year.


We basically agree. My issue was when you said $8 million for 1 year. Apparently you were talking about real money where I was talking about the cap. I agree part of that $8 mil could include his base pay for year 1.
He's an NFL veteran FA  
djm : 3/9/2017 5:39 pm : link
Wtf did you think he was going to get? A long term deal for one million per?? No one under the age of 32 signs a shit deal like that.

Sign him for one year prove it deal and people bitch. Sign him for four years at a typical deal that's gonna pay the guy enough but not a lot and people bitch. Wahh he makes too much. He's a young emerging player that will fill a need. Of course he's gonna make a few million! This isn't 1995.
Lol at these comments  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/9/2017 5:42 pm : link
When you build a roster thorough FA... You over pay..

That's the NFL.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ouch  
Milton : 3/9/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13386354 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13386332 Milton said:


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In comment 13386300 robbieballs2003 said:


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It is all about the cap. Plus, if you are talking about real money it would be $8 million PLUS his base salary.

If he plays only one year, the $8M all hits the cap, it just gets divided between two years (or potentially three, I guess, if he has guaranteed salary in year three of the deal).

And I think it's safe to assume that his base salary in 2017 is part of the $8M that is guaranteed, so no it won't be "$8 million PLUS his base salary" that he would receive if he only played one year.



We basically agree. My issue was when you said $8 million for 1 year. Apparently you were talking about real money where I was talking about the cap. I agree part of that $8 mil could include his base pay for year 1.
Yeah just some confusion over semantics....
RE: Lol at these comments  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/9/2017 5:53 pm : link
In comment 13386385 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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When you build a roster thorough FA... You over pay..

That's the NFL.


This is true!
RE: When he heard that BBI said that he was overpaid  
clatterbuck : 3/9/2017 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13386304 Marty in Albany said:
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Rhett said, "Franky, I don't give a damn."

Love what you did there, Marty.
They may go OL in the first,  
81_Great_Dane : 3/9/2017 5:55 pm : link
as someone said they will in a post above, but the Giants won't break their board for need alone.

If they really, really want an O-lineman in the first, they might have to trade up to get one. Or, if they don't like the cost of that, they may look to trade down to align their pick with the value of the player.

Just my uninformed speculation, but I think a trade up is more likely if they feel they don't need all their picks to fill out the bench and special teams for 2017. And that would mean making a lot of small-ish (un-sexy) signings, which would free them up to trade mid-late round draft picks if necessary.

But the whole point of doing all the scouting and arranging players in rows is that when they're on the clock, they're not going "SHIT RAMCZYK'S GONE WHAT DO WE DO NOW SHIT SHIT SHIT." They trust the work they've done.
RE: Giants will  
81_Great_Dane : 3/9/2017 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13386296 oldog said:
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go O-Line in the draft, no doubt, so chill everyone.
Probably, but you may see them move around to do it -- unless someone they really like falls to them.
I agree with the  
ij_reilly : 3/9/2017 6:20 pm : link
Tye will have to work very hard to make next year's roster.

The TEs are:
Johnson
Ellison
Adams

... and everyone else
Lacosse
Tye

If the Giants draft another TE, barring injury, I would say that Tye is gone. He'll catch on somewhere, he can be a number 3 TE. But he is no longer the number 3 TE for the New York Giants.
RE: I agree with the  
Milton : 3/9/2017 6:31 pm : link
In comment 13386440 ij_reilly said:
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Tye will have to work very hard to make next year's roster.

The TEs are:
Johnson
Ellison
Adams

... and everyone else
Lacosse
Tye

If the Giants draft another TE, barring injury, I would say that Tye is gone. He'll catch on somewhere, he can be a number 3 TE. But he is no longer the number 3 TE for the New York Giants.
Not so fast. Between the fullback and TE position, the Giants could easily use four roster spots. And there it's 50-50 at this point on Johnson.
Great addition to the Giants!  
ZogZerg : 3/9/2017 6:33 pm : link
Another TALL target in redzone and 3rd and short. Lack of receiver height killed this team last year.
Cut Will Johnson  
Mr. Nickels : 3/9/2017 6:39 pm : link
and Will Tye..

Simple.

I'd use Ellison as Hback

Adams vs Lacosse for tight end but use a high pick for our starter.
RE: We could have drafted him in 2012.  
Mark from Jersey : 3/9/2017 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13386057 Klaatu said:
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Instead we chose Adrien Robinson. Ellison was picked next, by the Vikings.
I just threw up in my mouth a little after reading this.
when your GM  
Enzo : 3/9/2017 6:48 pm : link
builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.
RE: RE: wtf  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/9/2017 6:52 pm : link
In comment 13386018 Rflairr said:
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thats ALOT



How do u figure? 8 mill guaranteed

Why do people continue to only focus on the guaranteed dollars? Players DO get the non-guaranteed portion as well if they're on the roster. I know it's been repeated ad nauseum that it's the guaranteed money that matters, but I feel like it's now to the point where that's the ONLY thing people look at and don't realize that the non-guaranteed dollars deplete cap space just as much, they just don't become dead money if the contract is terminated.
RE: $ 2 million per year (for 4 years)  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/9/2017 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13386282 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for a TE that is a very good blocker is going to help our tackles with blocking, which they desperately need? Basically, $2 million per year for an extra OL that can block and will help Flowers? Sign me up.

Holy shit. It's $4.5M per year. The guaranteed dollars are only relevant when you want to get out of the contract, not when you want to keep the player on the contract.
This guy  
Pete in MD : 3/9/2017 7:18 pm : link
is going to be on the field a lot next year. You have to figure they Beckham, Shepard, and Marshall will be in the game as much as possible. Ellison will be moving (and motioning before the snap) to FB/TE/H-back as the play dictates.
Tye is not going anywhere  
Vanzetti : 3/9/2017 7:22 pm : link
he is under Giants control at minimum $$$$

some of you just take your likes and dislikes and project them onto the Giants

Giants putting expensive makeup  
bxgiants4 : 3/9/2017 7:30 pm : link
On a pig

We'll see how much help this guy is when his 2 million dollar a year salary is on the sidelines on 2nd and 3rd and long while flowers gets toasted and Eli killed

Waste
...  
annexOPR : 3/9/2017 7:40 pm : link
or he'll actually block well enough for the giants to call an effective running play on 1st down and not be stuck in countless 2/3rd and long downs

Continue sky falling.
this is valuable - especially when your tackles suck in pass pro  
annexOPR : 3/9/2017 7:42 pm : link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VehxtjQmIHQ

let Marshall/Shep/Odell do the rest.
RE: when your GM  
Big Blue '56 : 3/9/2017 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13386485 Enzo said:
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builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.


Well then, I guess lots of GMs missed given the overpayments around the league today..
Keep Johnson as FB  
EddieNYG : 3/9/2017 7:44 pm : link
Giants need to improve running game. Having a FB and a TE/H-Back would go a real long way in doing just that.
RE: Keep Johnson as FB  
Matt in SGS : 3/9/2017 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13386621 EddieNYG said:
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Giants need to improve running game. Having a FB and a TE/H-Back would go a real long way in doing just that.


I'd agree. But this team has a number of holes remaining on offense that makes carrying, in essence, 2 fullbacks a tough idea to sell. You might be right, but I don't see them carrying both of these guys. Last year it was set up to be Johnson vs. Whitlock...and both got hurt.
RE: when your GM  
BigBlueShock : 3/9/2017 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13386485 Enzo said:
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builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.

Clown show. The Giants are a few pieces away from legitimately competing for the Super Bowl, yet we continue to kill the GM. There is such a thing as balancing the draft and FA, ya know? But sure, let's just continue to bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch about Reese. About 25 teams would kill to have such poor team management.
who knows? could be our new M.Bennett  
annexOPR : 3/9/2017 7:49 pm : link
backup behind a stud finally given a chance. he may not be flashy, but he will fill a huge need on offense - the ability to block. This is smarter than wasting 8-10+ million on mediocre tackles.

Marshall/Odell/Shep should be 1 of the best receiving corp in football, Ellison goes a long way in allowing Eli time to actually find them (or dare I say exactly seal the edge with an effective run block). Dominant blocker with sure hands when needed ... this is a good thing.

RE: RE: when your GM  
Enzo : 3/9/2017 7:55 pm : link
In comment 13386617 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13386485 Enzo said:


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builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.



Well then, I guess lots of GMs missed given the overpayments around the league today..

not all overpays are the same.
worth every penny  
annexOPR : 3/9/2017 7:58 pm : link
when you watch him block compared to Donnell
RE: $ 2 million per year (for 4 years)  
Enzo : 3/9/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13386282 Dave in Hoboken said:
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for a TE that is a very good blocker is going to help our tackles with blocking, which they desperately need? Basically, $2 million per year for an extra OL that can block and will help Flowers? Sign me up.

do you really think the deal is $8 million over 4 years?
people knock the OLine  
bc4life : 3/9/2017 8:01 pm : link
and they've earned some of that, but, I wonder how many running plays got screwed up because of bad HB/FB/TE blocking?
RE: RE: when your GM  
Enzo : 3/9/2017 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13386627 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13386485 Enzo said:


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builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.


Clown show. The Giants are a few pieces away from legitimately competing for the Super Bowl, yet we continue to kill the GM. There is such a thing as balancing the draft and FA, ya know? But sure, let's just continue to bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch about Reese. About 25 teams would kill to have such poor team management.

wow, this is some blind homer bullshit.
don't think it means the end of Johnson  
bc4life : 3/9/2017 8:03 pm : link
necessarily. He's can really play FB - the other TEs struggled in that role. And, Johnson is a punishing blocker.
RE: people knock the OLine  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2017 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13386649 bc4life said:
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and they've earned some of that, but, I wonder how many running plays got screwed up because of bad HB/FB/TE blocking?


Well, a lot. For as much as Donnell and Tye played, neither one could block a wet towel. It was absolutely a need.
there's still hope for Tye  
bc4life : 3/9/2017 8:08 pm : link
Donnell was horribly miscast in that role.
I don't hate tye  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/9/2017 8:13 pm : link
but I don't necessarily expect that he'll turn into a good blocker. If it happens, let it be a bonus. They needed an inline blocker they could count on.
1st and 10  
SLIM_ : 3/9/2017 8:13 pm : link
2016. Beckum split wide with Sheppard in the slot on the right side, Cruz split out on left with Tye (or Donnell -your choice) in the backfield, he goes in motion and ends up behind Flowers at the snap. Eli pitches left to Perkins. Tye/Donnell get either blown up or pull a whiffer which leads to penetration in the backfield, Perkins has to bounce further outside (running parallel to the line at best) where he gets tackled by the corner as Cruz can't sustain his block. Loss of 2.

2017. Same formation with Ellison/Marshall. Ellison is aggressive and attacks the linebacker creating a seal a little wide of the left tackle. Marshall effectively walls off his man and Perkins cuts upfield quickly for a gain of 6.

Same line / tougher 'skill' position players / Much different result.
had to be shock for him  
bc4life : 3/9/2017 8:18 pm : link
coming from a smaller program where he was a receiving TE, then getting into the nfl and having to block DL at that level.

maybe he will always be an hback, time will tell.
RE: RE: RE: when your GM  
BigBlueShock : 3/9/2017 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13386651 Enzo said:
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In comment 13386627 BigBlueShock said:


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In comment 13386485 Enzo said:


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builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.


Clown show. The Giants are a few pieces away from legitimately competing for the Super Bowl, yet we continue to kill the GM. There is such a thing as balancing the draft and FA, ya know? But sure, let's just continue to bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch about Reese. About 25 teams would kill to have such poor team management.


wow, this is some blind homer bullshit.

And you're a blind whiner, pisser, moaner and complainer. Always bitching about something. What did I say that was wrong? Never mind, I wouldn't want to ruin your moment of depression.
Excellent signing  
Ron Johnson 30 : 3/9/2017 8:28 pm : link
fills a massive hole.
RE: Excellent signing  
BigBlueShock : 3/9/2017 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13386711 Ron Johnson 30 said:
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fills a massive hole.

Shhhhhhh. You'll upset Enzo. The Giants wouldn't need to sign FAs if Reese wasn't such an imbecile.
Why  
Craigg619 : 3/9/2017 8:36 pm : link
And how in Gods name are people complaining about this signing?

We've needed a blocking tight end for how many years now? Our run game sucks and people must underestimate how much of that has to do with lack of blocking tight ends and receivers. That kills a running game.

Now we have Ellison that specializes in blocking and can catch a little bit, as well as Marshall who is a great run blocker for a receiver. They def still need help on o line but this offense improved a lot these last two days.
RE: when your GM  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/9/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13386485 Enzo said:
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builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.

Try to think of it this way: had Reese drafted Ellison (presumably instead of Robinson) and wanted to keep him, this is still the same contract they'd be on the hook for. If you sign guys coming off of their first contract, it's no different going forward than if you had drafted them yourself. What you miss out on is the cheap years on the rookie deal, no question about that, but if you draft role players and want to keep them after that rookie deal, you still pay the same amount as if you sign other teams' role players. And if you don't keep your own draft picks after their rookie contracts, you just turn the draft into a revolving door, in which case you never really improve over time - you basically stay as good as your star players allow and keep reshuffling the deck around them.

If you're inclined to knock Reese regardless, you probably won't see it that way, but I think it's something to keep in mind. In fact, I'd make the argument that one of the reasons why the Giants had as much cap room last year as they did was because their previous drafts had been relatively weak and they didn't have a lot of players worth retaining as those rookie deals expired. In a way (albeit twisted), Reese's draft drought allowed us to get Vernon, Jenkins and Harrison. Hooray for that.
RE: 1st and 10  
Craigg619 : 3/9/2017 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13386681 SLIM_ said:
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2016. Beckum split wide with Sheppard in the slot on the right side, Cruz split out on left with Tye (or Donnell -your choice) in the backfield, he goes in motion and ends up behind Flowers at the snap. Eli pitches left to Perkins. Tye/Donnell get either blown up or pull a whiffer which leads to penetration in the backfield, Perkins has to bounce further outside (running parallel to the line at best) where he gets tackled by the corner as Cruz can't sustain his block. Loss of 2.

2017. Same formation with Ellison/Marshall. Ellison is aggressive and attacks the linebacker creating a seal a little wide of the left tackle. Marshall effectively walls off his man and Perkins cuts upfield quickly for a gain of 6.

Same line / tougher 'skill' position players / Much different result.


Great post.
RE: RE: when your GM  
DonQuixote : 3/9/2017 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13386627 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13386485 Enzo said:


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builds a roster full of holes and consistently misses in the middle to late rounds, I guess you end up overpaying for other team's role players.


Clown show. The Giants are a few pieces away from legitimately competing for the Super Bowl, yet we continue to kill the GM. There is such a thing as balancing the draft and FA, ya know? But sure, let's just continue to bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch about Reese. About 25 teams would kill to have such poor team management.



+1 [esp the Redskins ;)]
Rhett  
Doomster : 3/9/2017 9:02 pm : link
must be thinking he just hit on a scratch ticket.....

To look at his stats, and get that? Amazing...
I never quote PFF  
blueblood : 3/9/2017 9:27 pm : link
but I thought this article was a good read
Rhett Elison Secret Superstar - ( New Window )
When you see  
YANKEE28 : 3/9/2017 9:28 pm : link
the money that TE Dion Sims got from the Bears, you have to like the Ellison signing even more.

Both TEs got $18 million, but Ellison signed for 4 years, while Sims signed for 3 years.

And the guaranteed money is $10 million for Sims and $8 million for Ellison.
RE: Rhett  
eric2425ny : 3/9/2017 9:30 pm : link
In comment 13386792 Doomster said:
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must be thinking he just hit on a scratch ticket.....

To look at his stats, and get that? Amazing...


Blocking doesn't show up on the stat sheet. The Giants needed a guy like this in a bad way. Between him and Marshall being a good run blocking ER we should be at least slightly better running the ball this year. Especially if we can draft a few lineman in the first four rounds of the draft.
Best post on this thread  
Torrag : 3/9/2017 9:41 pm : link
1st and 10
SLIM_ : 8:13 pm : link : reply
2016. Beckum split wide with Sheppard in the slot on the right side, Cruz split out on left with Tye (or Donnell -your choice) in the backfield, he goes in motion and ends up behind Flowers at the snap. Eli pitches left to Perkins. Tye/Donnell get either blown up or pull a whiffer which leads to penetration in the backfield, Perkins has to bounce further outside (running parallel to the line at best) where he gets tackled by the corner as Cruz can't sustain his block. Loss of 2.

2017. Same formation with Ellison/Marshall. Ellison is aggressive and attacks the linebacker creating a seal a little wide of the left tackle. Marshall effectively walls off his man and Perkins cuts upfield quickly for a gain of 6.

Same line / tougher 'skill' position players / Much different result.


Thanks.
let's see how this plays out  
DavidinBMNY : 3/9/2017 9:45 pm : link
Ellison was clearly a priority for the NYG. He's the starter and it seems he can bloclk.

Johnson I believe is a fullback. Last year we had a lot of RBs and WR. It's feasible we go 1 less RB and back to 2 QBD 4 of some mix of te/hb/fb is feasible.

Counting on Lacrosse is a mistake. He hasn't made it out of camp yet. I hope he does awesome.

Tye is more a steady receiver with limitations. He was the best of a weak unit last year.

Should be fun to watch in camp.


RE: When you see  
HomerJones45 : 3/9/2017 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13386846 YANKEE28 said:
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the money that TE Dion Sims got from the Bears, you have to like the Ellison signing even more.

Both TEs got $18 million, but Ellison signed for 4 years, while Sims signed for 3 years.

And the guaranteed money is $10 million for Sims and $8 million for Ellison.
Sims is younger and a better receiver as a legit tight end. Ellison is a fullback who is going to make his money blocking.
Exactly right  
HomerJones45 : 3/9/2017 10:02 pm : link
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Ellison was clearly a priority for the NYG. He's the starter and it seems he can block.
In this market, how in hell is $8 mill  
Section331 : 3/9/2017 10:05 pm : link
guaranteed a lot of money? Ellison is a monster blocker, which is nice to have when your OL is struggling. He's not going to make anyone forget Mark Bavaro, but he can block, and he'll be a target in the red zone. I'm good with this.
Getting flash backs  
muhajir : 3/9/2017 10:21 pm : link
Of the O'brien Schofield signing. Hopefully he also 'fails' the physical.
RE: Keep Johnson as FB  
Jay in Toronto : 3/9/2017 10:29 pm : link
In comment 13386621 EddieNYG said:
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Giants need to improve running game. Having a FB and a TE/H-Back would go a real long way in doing just that.


Plus they added an excellent downfield blocker in Marshall
The guys  
Giantfootball025 : 3/9/2017 10:31 pm : link
is a plus blocker. He also played behind a very good TE in Kyle Rudolph. He's not going to set the world on fire catching the football, but he doesn't have to. Bottom line is we got better in our run and pass blocking with a TE. And we won't have to use an OT like Beatty that teams don't even need to acknowledge as a receiving threat anymore.
RE: Getting flash backs  
arcarsenal : 3/9/2017 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13386911 muhajir said:
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Of the O'brien Schofield signing. Hopefully he also 'fails' the physical.


Yeah, who needs an above average blocker.. certainly not the Giants.

Oy fucking vey.
Tye  
Joey in VA : 3/9/2017 10:43 pm : link
Is going nowhere you dickheads. Dickheads, yeah I said it.
The incessant whinningabout this guy is ridiculous  
Boatie Warrant : 3/9/2017 11:00 pm : link
He is exactly what many have been begging for but now becuase he got 8M gauranteed it is a sucky FA signing? GTFO! Same people whinning will be the ones cheering their assess off when are run game resembles an NFL run game again. Do we still need Oline? Of course we do but our team just got better on offense at a point of weakness. Get over yourselves!
RE: RE: When you see  
Mike in NY : 3/9/2017 11:01 pm : link
In comment 13386876 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13386846 YANKEE28 said:


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the money that TE Dion Sims got from the Bears, you have to like the Ellison signing even more.

Both TEs got $18 million, but Ellison signed for 4 years, while Sims signed for 3 years.

And the guaranteed money is $10 million for Sims and $8 million for Ellison.

Sims is younger and a better receiver as a legit tight end. Ellison is a fullback who is going to make his money blocking.


Sims also averaging less than 10 YPC on 74 career grabs. His catch totals look better because Miami was atrocious at times on offense
RE: RE: When you see  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/9/2017 11:38 pm : link
In comment 13386876 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13386846 YANKEE28 said:


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the money that TE Dion Sims got from the Bears, you have to like the Ellison signing even more.

Both TEs got $18 million, but Ellison signed for 4 years, while Sims signed for 3 years.

And the guaranteed money is $10 million for Sims and $8 million for Ellison.

Sims is younger and a better receiver as a legit tight end. Ellison is a fullback who is going to make his money blocking.

If he was a fullback, he wouldn't have a number in the eighties. He's a true TE that has played in an H-back role because he's been behind Kyle Rudolph. I'm not suggesting that he's the second coming of Gronk, but he's not a FB.
nick named "The Machine" at USC  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/10/2017 9:13 am : link
seems to be an endless hardworker and leader.
Rhett Elli - ( New Window )
Ellison is officially the only player who plays FB on the roster  
Patrick77 : 3/10/2017 9:17 am : link
NFL.com also lists him as a running back.

I don't know much about this guy but he sounds versatile and he sounds like he has played FB well in addition to TE.
Da fuck?  
Anakim : 3/10/2017 1:10 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano‏Verified account @RVacchianoSNY
Rhett Elllison has been eyeing the Giants for a long time: "In college, all I watched was @BearPascoe film."
RE: Da fuck?  
djm : 3/10/2017 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13387767 Anakim said:
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Ralph Vacchiano‏Verified account @RVacchianoSNY
Rhett Elllison has been eyeing the Giants for a long time: "In college, all I watched was @BearPascoe film."


lol--what's not to love.
Stapleton says  
Canton : 3/10/2017 1:26 pm : link
He's a rich man's Bear Pascoe
FWIW saw this post on a Giants mssg board:  
area junc : 3/10/2017 2:30 pm : link
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"Some missing info on Ellison. First of all, his father won 3 Superbowls with the 49ers in the 80s. Good football family. His father lives near me and I have had several conversations with him. 5 years ago they were 100% sure the Giants would draft him and when they didn't they were bitterly disappointed. The kid wants to be a Giant.

Second issue, he is a much better receiver than we've seen from him with the Vikings and their terrible QB situation. Not to mention, their O Coordinator Norv Turner (for most of Ellison's career) for some reason never liked him as a receiver and as many know, Turner was terrible in MN.

Anyway, I think we may be surprised at how good he is as a receiver!

And yes, he is a GREAT blocker!"

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