Due to his inability to stay healthy, it would seem a one-year deal would be in Watson’s future. That could be good for Watson as well as the teams looking to sign him. Should he be able to stay healthy for the first time in his career, he could revisit the free agent market next offseason.
It was always a possibility the Raiders could give Watson another shot. They like his potential, and he has won the starting job three times the past two seasons. The first two times, he was lost to injury, leaving the job to Austin Howard. But when Watson was healthy late last season, he got his right tackle job back.
When asked to step in for Donald Penn at left tackle in the team’s wild card playoff game, he didn’t fare as well. Though switching positions and going against Jadeveon Clowney is a tough task.
A complete game was November 2014. Raiders liked his potential but just can't stay healthy. He can only play RT so in one sense he is a step back from Newhouse
"Menelik Watson, Age: 28, OAK- Filled in for Donald Penn at LT during Oakland’s playoff game. He is a good athlete that could play either tackle position. Has some injury concerns, had a lingering groin issue during the season. "
The healthy and productive OL prospects in their 20s Â
are already gone. We need to bring in bodies for competition, and Watson fits that description. The Giants are signing anyone to come in and be the presumptive starter at any position now. They will be bringing in bodies to compete for playing time.
With that view in mind, Watson seems like he would be a good signing. A one year prove it deal would be even better. Little downside if he doesn't win a starting job, as he could be solid depth. There is some upside if he is motivated and can stay healthy.
A complete game was November 2014. Raiders liked his potential but just can't stay healthy. He can only play RT so in one sense he is a step back from Newhouse
But he's got some boom in the run game when he does. That is not very often though.
How's his present health? Hey, Robinson stayed healthy last year, so you never know. So did Okung..😎
OK
My point was, in and of itself, Robinson and Okung staying healthy means squat as it pertains to Watson. But, if guys who have been career injuries waiting to happen can manage to finally stay healthy, why not Watson, finally? Don't know that he will, but at least it gives me room for hope, nothing more
I didn't like him coming out of FSU and he hasn't done anything to prove otherwise since joining the Raiders. 17 starts in three seasons of inconsistency and injury. We might as well keep Newhouse and/or Beatty.
don't know anything about this guy, what's the 411 here?
I remember him from his draft year. He was a former basketball player and there was a lot of buzz about him and his potential because he had great movement skills for a big guy. Things haven't panned out for him obviously, but most of the top OT prospects from that '13 draft have been letdowns.
unless the new strength and conditioning regime here proves some magic elixir. But a guy like this who can play either tackle spot can be a very useful backup and spot starter -- as long as he's not asked to hold up over an entire season.
I figure some guys just aren't physically resilient enough to take the pounding of a full NFL season. Some of that is luck, some is just genes, and conditioning can't really fix it. They can still be useful if their role doesn't ask them to do more than they're capable of.
That's actually a pretty good way to think about players. It's not "Is he good or does he suck?" it's more like "Can he do something to help this team win? If so, what?" Good coaches find ways to play to their guys' strengths and the opponent's weaknesses.
I like a guy like Fluker who to my knowledge hasn't been injured as he had talent and maybe can respond to different coaching.
Outside of that, our best options may be Jerry and Newhouse. I'm a broken record with Jerry. If he is your 5th best lineman, you can field a good line. If he is your 3rd where despite the abuse that he takes has basically been our 3rd best in our tenure here due to other injuries and suckitude.
Newhouse knows our offense and to me he didn't look awful at left guard. He provides a luxury of not needing a lot of snaps to learn the offense so you give young guys every opportunity to take the position but you can rely on him to be adequate if needed.
Sign Jerry/Newhouse cheap unless something healthier, younger can be had for same money. We need to have Flowers improve. You hope Hart can. You draft someone in the top 4 rounds and you prepare yourself to switch Pugh to a tackle spot if you need to. It isn't the best situation but with improvements at other spots (tight end, wide receiver, running back) it may be enough.
This is the definition of dumpster diving. Reese and co continue to show how abysmal they are when it comes to even scouting o-line talent if they truly even consider talking to Watson, nevermind sign him. I wouldn't even want Watson as a backup. I understand there's no one left,but like someone else mentioned above, I'd rather sign Mangold to play Guard. Or even give Pasztor a shot if the money isn't overboard. Bringing Watson in is a waste of time.
It appears that the Giants are trying to create some competition Â
for the oline. The FA linemen available are all uninspiring. They'll draft 1 or 2 guys as well. I'm wondering right now if we'll see any change to the starting Oline from last year at this point?!
RE: This guy is god awful and has an injury history Â
This is the definition of dumpster diving. Reese and co continue to show how abysmal they are when it comes to even scouting o-line talent if they truly even consider talking to Watson, nevermind sign him. I wouldn't even want Watson as a backup. I understand there's no one left,but like someone else mentioned above, I'd rather sign Mangold to play Guard. Or even give Pasztor a shot if the money isn't overboard. Bringing Watson in is a waste of time.
be honest, other then reading like 1 post from this site you dont know a thing about Watson do you?
is scary bad. I watched the Raiders OL quite a bit because they were fun to watch overall, but I always came away thinking Watson sucked.
He looks like a Hall of Fame OT too. Menacing look. But can't play.
I'm not going to get into credentials with you. I've seen Watson play at the pro level and he is horrible. Not even worth a roster spot. He'll be last year's Beatty all over again. Not even good enough to get a jersey on game day.
Newhouse plays the majority of games but isn't very good. He was signed to be a backup. But he plays a lot. Watson has more ability but can't stay on the field. In what way is he anything like Newhouse?
Could be worthless. Could be something. Probably cheap. Can't hurt.
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Add a guy like Watson and another linemen in the first two rounds and we create some competition. With Hart and a rookie we'd also have some depth.
Not only are we lacking starters but right now there is zero depth.
It was always a possibility the Raiders could give Watson another shot. They like his potential, and he has won the starting job three times the past two seasons. The first two times, he was lost to injury, leaving the job to Austin Howard. But when Watson was healthy late last season, he got his right tackle job back.
When asked to step in for Donald Penn at left tackle in the team’s wild card playoff game, he didn’t fare as well. Though switching positions and going against Jadeveon Clowney is a tough task.
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How's his present health? Hey, Robinson stayed healthy last year, so you never know. So did Okung..😎
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But he's got some boom in the run game when he does. That is not very often though.
How's his present health? Hey, Robinson stayed healthy last year, so you never know. So did Okung..😎
OK
We need an upgrade from them so we don't have to mention them anymore. Wish we had more cap space?
He's a better RT than Newhouse.
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He's a better RT than Newhouse.
how so?
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The grass is not always greener on the other side.
He's a better RT than Newhouse.
how so?
He doesn't flat out stink as a RT. Newhouse looked halfway decent at guard.
"Menelik Watson, Age: 28, OAK- Filled in for Donald Penn at LT during Oakland’s playoff game. He is a good athlete that could play either tackle position. Has some injury concerns, had a lingering groin issue during the season. "
With that view in mind, Watson seems like he would be a good signing. A one year prove it deal would be even better. Little downside if he doesn't win a starting job, as he could be solid depth. There is some upside if he is motivated and can stay healthy.
He played several complete games last season
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But he's got some boom in the run game when he does. That is not very often though.
How's his present health? Hey, Robinson stayed healthy last year, so you never know. So did Okung..😎
OK
My point was, in and of itself, Robinson and Okung staying healthy means squat as it pertains to Watson. But, if guys who have been career injuries waiting to happen can manage to finally stay healthy, why not Watson, finally? Don't know that he will, but at least it gives me room for hope, nothing more
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According to the link, missed the entire 2015 season.
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According to the link, missed the entire 2015 season.
Tore his achilles
I remember him from his draft year. He was a former basketball player and there was a lot of buzz about him and his potential because he had great movement skills for a big guy. Things haven't panned out for him obviously, but most of the top OT prospects from that '13 draft have been letdowns.
Maybe get this guy on the cheap? Let him compete at RT.
He won't cost much at all.
I figure some guys just aren't physically resilient enough to take the pounding of a full NFL season. Some of that is luck, some is just genes, and conditioning can't really fix it. They can still be useful if their role doesn't ask them to do more than they're capable of.
That's actually a pretty good way to think about players. It's not "Is he good or does he suck?" it's more like "Can he do something to help this team win? If so, what?" Good coaches find ways to play to their guys' strengths and the opponent's weaknesses.
I like a guy like Fluker who to my knowledge hasn't been injured as he had talent and maybe can respond to different coaching.
Outside of that, our best options may be Jerry and Newhouse. I'm a broken record with Jerry. If he is your 5th best lineman, you can field a good line. If he is your 3rd where despite the abuse that he takes has basically been our 3rd best in our tenure here due to other injuries and suckitude.
Newhouse knows our offense and to me he didn't look awful at left guard. He provides a luxury of not needing a lot of snaps to learn the offense so you give young guys every opportunity to take the position but you can rely on him to be adequate if needed.
Sign Jerry/Newhouse cheap unless something healthier, younger can be had for same money. We need to have Flowers improve. You hope Hart can. You draft someone in the top 4 rounds and you prepare yourself to switch Pugh to a tackle spot if you need to. It isn't the best situation but with improvements at other spots (tight end, wide receiver, running back) it may be enough.
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The grass is not always greener on the other side.
He's a better RT than Newhouse.
how so?
He doesn't flat out stink as a RT. Newhouse looked halfway decent at guard.
At least Newhouse could be counted on to play, this guy appears to be always recovering from injuries
agree LG was Newhouse best play
the offensive line blocking formations and have minimal health concerns.
Get a new tackle/guard in the draft.
be honest, other then reading like 1 post from this site you dont know a thing about Watson do you?
He looks like a Hall of Fame OT too. Menacing look. But can't play.
Agreed 100%
Could be worthless. Could be something. Probably cheap. Can't hurt.
In other words, Rory is probably right.
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