& not nearly as bad as he was made out to be. Don't think he is a starter . However the Giants line just got weaker if you think that depth and versatility are important:
Agree that we just got weaker, Retro.
I'm getting the sense that the Giants want to get younger on the OL, and given that, that we're gonna have a few rookies battling for starting positions this season. Cam Robinson, with his inconsistency? Lamb, with his short arms but good feet? This is gonna be an interesting two months.
& not nearly as bad as he was made out to be. Don't think he is a starter . However the Giants line just got weaker if you think that depth and versatility are important:
Agree that we just got weaker, Retro.
I'm getting the sense that the Giants want to get younger on the OL, and given that, that we're gonna have a few rookies battling for starting positions this season. Cam Robinson, with his inconsistency? Lamb, with his short arms but good feet? This is gonna be an interesting two months.
I'd take either of those 2 and plug them into RG. Robinson in particular as Sy thinks he has All Pro talent at that spot. RT is trickier. No clue what they do there.
He's got a plan. But when it comes to OL there isn't a worse GMin the NFL.
It's almost like he just figures 3 step drops can cure the worst talent level in the NFL. I think he hates Eli.
Someone I know actually says he thinks Reese hates Eli as well. Obviously it's not true because Eli's a big reason why he's still employed, but you would think that at an advanced stage of his career, something Reese had acknowledged numerous times, he'd understand that Eli needs a solid OL now more than at any time in his career.
lol I was joking but it's just a huge organizational blind spot. You have guy who is not very mobile in the later stages of his career and the one area of the team that is essential to an older QB they can't get right 4 years running
He's got a plan. But when it comes to OL there isn't a worse GMin the NFL.
It's almost like he just figures 3 step drops can cure the worst talent level in the NFL. I think he hates Eli.
Someone I know actually says he thinks Reese hates Eli as well. Obviously it's not true because Eli's a big reason why he's still employed, but you would think that at an advanced stage of his career, something Reese had acknowledged numerous times, he'd understand that Eli needs a solid OL now more than at any time in his career.
lol I was joking but it's just a huge organizational blind spot. You have guy who is not very mobile in the later stages of his career and the one area of the team that is essential to an older QB they can't get right 4 years running
I've made it no secret my disappointment in the level of talent they've accumulated along the OL the last number of years. I'm in agreement.
Not a revelation to most of you but I counted the draft picks on the BBI listed roster.
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1TE, 5 OL, 4 DL, 2 LB, 5 DB
Allowing for the fact that OL, DL, and DB, tend to take up the most roster spots, not only is Reese terrible at drafting OL, the Giants haven't been able to develop them either.
As mediocre as he is, he's going to want 7 mil at minimum. We have 9 mil. 4 of which has to go to draft picks. We aren't getting anyone.
For someone who goes by the name Taxman, I would think you'd have a better handle on how the salary cap works in terms of the first year of multi-year contract. Even if Fluker is worth $7M/year, the Giants could give him a 4 year $28M deal with a $12M signing bonus and $750K salary in year one. The cap hit for such a deal would be $3.75M in 2017.
But I doubt very much that Fluker is going to command a contract averaging $7M/year unless it includes very little guaranteed money, certainly not the numbers I gave in the above example. If he was worth $7M/year, chances are the Chargers would've exercised the 5th year option on his contract for $8.8M.
Truth is we have no idea how much money Fluker will command. I know I certainly don't, maybe I shouldn't speak for others. He was a disappointment with the Chargers, but Kalil and Okung were also disappointments and they both signed bigtime contracts with tons of guaranteed money.
One difference is that those two are left tackles, Fluker is strictly rightside of the OL only. The Chargers moved him to OG, but I think the Giants will look at him as a right tackle. It could be that Fluker is looked upon in a similar light as Chance Warmack and Warmack signed a one year deal with the Eagles for chump change.
So I have no idea what his real dollar value is, but whatever it is, I hope the Giants are the team to sign him for that amount.
I must admit, that first line made me chuckle.
BTW, I think Fluker is John Jerry 2.0, both are not
good run blockers. The Giants need about 6 mill. for the rooks Taxman, just saying. If I was the Giants, I wouldn't
go more than 2 years, 9 mill. on Fluker with about 5 GTD.
There is a reason a 25 yr. old. G/T is available on the open market now. Newhouse is gone, yippee!
from left to right, Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Fluker, and Hart.
They may find a plug and play in the draft, but unless they do, this looks likely to me. They can't afford to sign another
O Lineman in free agency, unless it is a vet. min. deal.
are doing the same thing the fan base of every team, except the Bengals, is doing about their former offensive lineman now signed by another team this FA period - they all sucked
Newhouse wasn't terrible - but he is definitely the best of what's out there -
Charger fans are cheering that they signed Okung and lost Fluker.
You all are desperate for Fluker and cheering that Newhouse is gone.
Be careful what you wish for - it is not true that there is addition by subtraction here.
are doing the same thing the fan base of every team, except the Bengals, is doing about their former offensive lineman now signed by another team this FA period - they all sucked
Newhouse wasn't terrible - but he is definitely the best of what's out there -
Charger fans are cheering that they signed Okung and lost Fluker.
You all are desperate for Fluker and cheering that Newhouse is gone.
Be careful what you wish for - it is not true that there is addition by subtraction here.
Reese did nothing last year. This year so far he lost a guy who was at least a valuable backup. People who are glad he's gone seem to think he is a starter. Well that's Reese's fault. The guy and his whole staff just isn't good enough at finding offensive lineman period. I said it before. My guess is w the WCO the Giants brass assumed that would fix a lot of the ills of their ineptitude. It hasn't. At least not they grabbed Ellison. But good God. In Reese's whole career as a GM his best OL Draft pick may be Pugh.
What I wish for is for them to bring in an outside person to figure out what to do. I have zero faith in them when it comes to OL. DBs great. WRs great. OL. Ugh
Robinson, Lamp, Ramczyk, or Bolles. I'd prefer Robinson but could live with any of them.
if you can live with Robinson -- then you must be an Eric Flowers fan - because they are nearly identical
Analysts, and guys like Sy56, like Robinson a lot more than they did Flowers. Also he looked very good at the combine. As I said any of the 4 would be out RT/LT.
Robinson, Lamp, Ramczyk, or Bolles. I'd prefer Robinson but could live with any of them.
Given the money thrown around now on OLmen and the obvious need for them, what makes you think any of these guys will be there at 23?
I don't really think any of these are top tier talent, and in other years they'd be there at 23 but I didn't think any of this year's mediocre FA OL would get the money they're getting either. I think these four will all go higher than anticipated and could very well be gone by the time the Giants pick.
Like it or not he was one of our better linemen last season and versatile. More or less our Kevin Boothe last year and we would have been fucked without him.
I wish the guy luck
Well, no I did not like that
He was absolutely not the "best" player on the line last year. Â
Through the draft, Guard Tackle or Tackel Guard in the first two rounds, Jake Butt in the third. However there's no escaping the fact that it all has to click for Flowers this year, without a vet signing he's your left tackle. He's a 23 year old with 2 years of NFL experience, coach him up.
They can't Eli's age makes it impossible, it's year to year all in plan.
Agree that we just got weaker, Retro.
I'm getting the sense that the Giants want to get younger on the OL, and given that, that we're gonna have a few rookies battling for starting positions this season. Cam Robinson, with his inconsistency? Lamb, with his short arms but good feet? This is gonna be an interesting two months.
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& not nearly as bad as he was made out to be. Don't think he is a starter . However the Giants line just got weaker if you think that depth and versatility are important:
Agree that we just got weaker, Retro.
I'm getting the sense that the Giants want to get younger on the OL, and given that, that we're gonna have a few rookies battling for starting positions this season. Cam Robinson, with his inconsistency? Lamb, with his short arms but good feet? This is gonna be an interesting two months.
I'd take either of those 2 and plug them into RG. Robinson in particular as Sy thinks he has All Pro talent at that spot. RT is trickier. No clue what they do there.
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I'm assuming he has a plan. Wishful thinking?
He's got a plan. But when it comes to OL there isn't a worse GMin the NFL.
It's almost like he just figures 3 step drops can cure the worst talent level in the NFL. I think he hates Eli.
Someone I know actually says he thinks Reese hates Eli as well. Obviously it's not true because Eli's a big reason why he's still employed, but you would think that at an advanced stage of his career, something Reese had acknowledged numerous times, he'd understand that Eli needs a solid OL now more than at any time in his career.
lol I was joking but it's just a huge organizational blind spot. You have guy who is not very mobile in the later stages of his career and the one area of the team that is essential to an older QB they can't get right 4 years running
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In comment 13388710 Marty866b said:
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I'm assuming he has a plan. Wishful thinking?
He's got a plan. But when it comes to OL there isn't a worse GMin the NFL.
It's almost like he just figures 3 step drops can cure the worst talent level in the NFL. I think he hates Eli.
Someone I know actually says he thinks Reese hates Eli as well. Obviously it's not true because Eli's a big reason why he's still employed, but you would think that at an advanced stage of his career, something Reese had acknowledged numerous times, he'd understand that Eli needs a solid OL now more than at any time in his career.
lol I was joking but it's just a huge organizational blind spot. You have guy who is not very mobile in the later stages of his career and the one area of the team that is essential to an older QB they can't get right 4 years running
I've made it no secret my disappointment in the level of talent they've accumulated along the OL the last number of years. I'm in agreement.
1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1TE, 5 OL, 4 DL, 2 LB, 5 DB
Allowing for the fact that OL, DL, and DB, tend to take up the most roster spots, not only is Reese terrible at drafting OL, the Giants haven't been able to develop them either.
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As mediocre as he is, he's going to want 7 mil at minimum. We have 9 mil. 4 of which has to go to draft picks. We aren't getting anyone.
For someone who goes by the name Taxman, I would think you'd have a better handle on how the salary cap works in terms of the first year of multi-year contract. Even if Fluker is worth $7M/year, the Giants could give him a 4 year $28M deal with a $12M signing bonus and $750K salary in year one. The cap hit for such a deal would be $3.75M in 2017.
But I doubt very much that Fluker is going to command a contract averaging $7M/year unless it includes very little guaranteed money, certainly not the numbers I gave in the above example. If he was worth $7M/year, chances are the Chargers would've exercised the 5th year option on his contract for $8.8M.
Truth is we have no idea how much money Fluker will command. I know I certainly don't, maybe I shouldn't speak for others. He was a disappointment with the Chargers, but Kalil and Okung were also disappointments and they both signed bigtime contracts with tons of guaranteed money.
One difference is that those two are left tackles, Fluker is strictly rightside of the OL only. The Chargers moved him to OG, but I think the Giants will look at him as a right tackle. It could be that Fluker is looked upon in a similar light as Chance Warmack and Warmack signed a one year deal with the Eagles for chump change.
So I have no idea what his real dollar value is, but whatever it is, I hope the Giants are the team to sign him for that amount.
I must admit, that first line made me chuckle.
BTW, I think Fluker is John Jerry 2.0, both are not
good run blockers. The Giants need about 6 mill. for the rooks Taxman, just saying. If I was the Giants, I wouldn't
go more than 2 years, 9 mill. on Fluker with about 5 GTD.
There is a reason a 25 yr. old. G/T is available on the open market now. Newhouse is gone, yippee!
They may find a plug and play in the draft, but unless they do, this looks likely to me. They can't afford to sign another
O Lineman in free agency, unless it is a vet. min. deal.
Newhouse wasn't terrible - but he is definitely the best of what's out there -
Charger fans are cheering that they signed Okung and lost Fluker.
You all are desperate for Fluker and cheering that Newhouse is gone.
Be careful what you wish for - it is not true that there is addition by subtraction here.
Pretty soon BBI won't be able to name FA OL.
Newhouse was signed on the third day of free agency, think about that. Demand is out of control.
Pretty soon BBI won't be able to name FA OL.
Newhouse was signed on the third day of free agency, think about that. Demand is out of control.
Pretty whacked, the money thrown at some very average tackles!
Newhouse wasn't terrible - but he is definitely the best of what's out there -
Charger fans are cheering that they signed Okung and lost Fluker.
You all are desperate for Fluker and cheering that Newhouse is gone.
Be careful what you wish for - it is not true that there is addition by subtraction here.
Reese did nothing last year. This year so far he lost a guy who was at least a valuable backup. People who are glad he's gone seem to think he is a starter. Well that's Reese's fault. The guy and his whole staff just isn't good enough at finding offensive lineman period. I said it before. My guess is w the WCO the Giants brass assumed that would fix a lot of the ills of their ineptitude. It hasn't. At least not they grabbed Ellison. But good God. In Reese's whole career as a GM his best OL Draft pick may be Pugh.
What I wish for is for them to bring in an outside person to figure out what to do. I have zero faith in them when it comes to OL. DBs great. WRs great. OL. Ugh
if you can live with Robinson -- then you must be an Eric Flowers fan - because they are nearly identical
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Robinson, Lamp, Ramczyk, or Bolles. I'd prefer Robinson but could live with any of them.
if you can live with Robinson -- then you must be an Eric Flowers fan - because they are nearly identical
Analysts, and guys like Sy56, like Robinson a lot more than they did Flowers. Also he looked very good at the combine. As I said any of the 4 would be out RT/LT.
Given the money thrown around now on OLmen and the obvious need for them, what makes you think any of these guys will be there at 23?
I don't really think any of these are top tier talent, and in other years they'd be there at 23 but I didn't think any of this year's mediocre FA OL would get the money they're getting either. I think these four will all go higher than anticipated and could very well be gone by the time the Giants pick.
I wish the guy luck
Well, no I did not like that
They can't Eli's age makes it impossible, it's year to year all in plan.