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BBI Meltdown - QB Geno Smith visiting Giants today

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/11/2017 10:57 am
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Expectation is that former #Jets + current FA quarterback Geno Smith will visit with #Giants today, per sources.
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RE: Backup QBs Are Not Cheap  
Brown Recluse : 3/11/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13389159 Jim in Tampa said:
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The Bucs offered Glennon 8 mil per to stay on as a backup.

Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.


Sometimes they're cheap and sometimes they aren't. Depends on a number of variables.
Nobility is tantamount to good QB play  
Patrick77 : 3/11/2017 12:13 pm : link
Being mobile can help too but being a noble of high birth is an excellent requisite.
reese as usual  
viggie : 3/11/2017 12:20 pm : link
Vet min, good move  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/11/2017 12:20 pm : link
Otherwise they have to draft one.
As bad as he has been  
giantsfan227B : 3/11/2017 12:30 pm : link
I trust him more than Nassib. Nassib was a total waste of a pick.
RE: Backup QBs Are Not Cheap  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/11/2017 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13389159 Jim in Tampa said:
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The Bucs offered Glennon 8 mil per to stay on as a backup.

Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.


Kind of an outlier, and questionable situation since the Bucs aren't paying their QB real money yet. 8 million a year for a backup QB is absolutely not the going rate around the league.
RE: As bad as he has been  
jcn56 : 3/11/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13389201 giantsfan227B said:
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I trust him more than Nassib. Nassib was a total waste of a pick.


Nassib was perfect. A low cost insurance policy we never needed.
Geno sucks  
ZogZerg : 3/11/2017 1:12 pm : link
I'd rather draft an unknown prospect.
Smith would be an adequate #2.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/11/2017 1:23 pm : link
They can draft a developmental QB on day 3, and carry him (or Keith Wenning) as a healthy scratch or possibly on the practice squad for a year. They did the same thing in Nassib's rookie year, with Curtis Painter as the #2. Eli is four years older now, which makes insurance more expensive.

BTW, a dozen QBs have started for the Jets since November 2004. For some reason, I thought that was worth mentioning.
Holy fuck  
Rory : 3/11/2017 1:28 pm : link
Shut up

It's a visit , my god go find something else to do with your lives
RE: As bad as he has been  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/11/2017 1:29 pm : link
In comment 13389201 giantsfan227B said:
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I trust him more than Nassib. Nassib was a total waste of a pick.


IDK... Nassib looked awful in the preseason last year, but he was usually good on the VERY rare occasions he got regular season game action.

Geno Smith is an untrustworthy human being, let alone an untrustworthy football player. I'd rather go with Nassib.
If he's willing to sign for the vet minimum then his contract won't  
yatqb : 3/11/2017 1:36 pm : link
count against the cap. So he can be cut at any time.
RE: Holy fuck  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/11/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13389285 Rory said:
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Shut up

It's a visit , my god go find something else to do with your lives


Do you work for the Giants by any chance?
RE: If he's willing to sign for the vet minimum then his contract won't  
Big Blue '56 : 3/11/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13389292 yatqb said:
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count against the cap. So he can be cut at any time.


I never knew that. Vet minimums aren't counted against the cap?
Not exactly, Bruce, but only the top 51 count against the cap in the  
yatqb : 3/11/2017 1:45 pm : link
offseason. I didn't phrase the initial post well, did I?
watchout eli  
micky : 3/11/2017 2:02 pm : link
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Please not Geno  
Torrag : 3/11/2017 3:09 pm : link
He's awful.
if he's willing to come  
Enzo : 3/11/2017 3:22 pm : link
on the cheap you could do a lot worse. He's got 30 starts under his belt which is nothing to sneeze at. I prefer going this route as opposed to what they gave up for Nassib.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/11/2017 3:28 pm : link
Josina Anderson‏Verified account @JosinaAnderson

I just spoke to QB Geno Smith. He has landed in NJ and is pulling up for his visit with the #Giants shortly.
RE: Geno Smith is better then Nassib  
DelZotto : 3/11/2017 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13389110 George from PA said:
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I hope he never needs to start.....but why not


Cowboys draft a starter in the 4th round and the Giants take a guy who can't play period. Come on down Gino.

I think Smith has the makings of a good player......  
Dry Lightning : 3/11/2017 3:46 pm : link
At the very least a good back up. Has played in an organizational nuthouse his whole career. This could be a good move for both parties. I tell you this: he is better than fucking Johnson, who has done zero.
Who  
DanMetroMan : 3/11/2017 3:55 pm : link
is "better" Smith or Osweiler?
I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational  
Bob in Newburgh : 3/11/2017 4:07 pm : link
Geno Smith got to start about 4 games with a relatively healthy Eric Decker, and nada for a supporting receiving core.

Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.

Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.
Well that's a leap  
burtmanjack : 3/11/2017 4:18 pm : link
Racism is the lazy man's argument here in this thread, where there is absolutely NO plausible objective evidence, and your accusation is based on nothing more than your own assumptions.

You make very valid points as to why -- on a football basis only -- Smith is being judged harshly here and without consideration of the entire context he was asked to perform in.

But -- even if you disagree with them, as is your right -- the prior posters have a lot of other evidence that supports the reasonableness of their (admittedly subjective, like yours) opinion.

So let's keep it real -- there is enough ground for a good-faith football debate here. Let's leave the politics to where they are legitimately implicated (which is sadly in too many places these days).

Peace.
For the right price  
Milton : 3/11/2017 4:28 pm : link
Geno Smith would make an excellent addition. It's not like they're bringing him in to be the starter and handing him the keys. He has a good set of tools to run McAdoo's offense and given enough time to learn behind Eli, Smith could be very effective if called upon.
Call to Josh  
shelovesnycsports : 3/11/2017 4:28 pm : link
Johnson. Drop your price if you want to be a champ.
Reach  
Blue Moon : 3/11/2017 4:33 pm : link
Has lost his effen mind.
RE: I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational  
ThatLimerickGuy : 3/11/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13389423 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Geno Smith got to start about 4 games with a relatively healthy Eric Decker, and nada for a supporting receiving core.

Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.

Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.


Stop it with the racist crap. If it was Russel Wilson who somehow wanted to be Eli's backup you wouldn't hear a negative word. Also half the people on here are saying to go with Josh Johnson instead.

Geno, for someone picked in a similar spot as someone named Drew Brees, has for all intents and purposes been a poor pro, with weird locker room stories to go along with the poor play.
Maybe Eli can turn his career around  
Mondo : 3/11/2017 5:31 pm : link
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RE: NO !!!!  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/11/2017 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13389086 Archer said:
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I have seen enough of Geno Smith.

He is terrible and not a player that I would want as a back up.
He is like Cutler really good tools but not a good player.

Even the Jets do not want him and their need is significantly greater than the Giants.

If Eli ever got hurt there is no way I would want Geno leading the team down the field. He is a turnover waiting to happen.


Jets have Petty and Hackenberg. No reason for Smith. For all the Smith hate are two back ups last year whee a guy who got a ton of push here on BBI by the Cuse and upstate NY guys. Dude was a solid college QB for a program yet hasn't mattered since McNabb graduated and a guy who shouldn't have been on the roster.

Smith did a lot more and showed a lot more than Nassib ever did in college and not surprisingly fell apart at the cross town shit show that the Jets have become. I'll take him over a healthy Nassib. Both are guys who shiosmt never start a game unless Eli gets hurt.

At this point the need to draft an heir apparent is closer than it ever has been. Maybe a Trubisky falls to RD 2 but Smith for a year is not the End of Days
Geno sucks, cmon. The Jets chose Petty (unproven), Hackenburg  
PatersonPlank : 3/11/2017 6:05 pm : link
(or whatever, also unproven and likely sucky), and Fitzpatrick (proven but sucky) all over him.
RE: Geno sucks, cmon. The Jets chose Petty (unproven), Hackenburg  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/11/2017 6:22 pm : link
In comment 13389547 PatersonPlank said:
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(or whatever, also unproven and likely sucky), and Fitzpatrick (proven but sucky) all over him.



Can you honestly say he's worse than Nassib or Johnson? They invested a 2nd and 3rd in the two guys they kept. Sure teams choose guys they picked over guys they didn't all the time. And they are still looking for a QB.

He's supposed to never ever take a meaningful snap. If the OL was so fucking shitty I'd have almost zero worries. Even as bad as it is Eli didn't miss a snap. Anyone gettin excised over this needs. To get out of the house more and away from the computer
Yes I think Geno is worse than Nassib  
PatersonPlank : 3/11/2017 6:25 pm : link
I think Johnson sucks too. I don't want either one. We need to get a "decent" veteran backup QB and draft an Eli replacement this year (or soon).
RE: Yes I think Geno is worse than Nassib  
BleedBlue : 3/11/2017 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13389552 PatersonPlank said:
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I think Johnson sucks too. I don't want either one. We need to get a "decent" veteran backup QB and draft an Eli replacement this year (or soon).



guys, i dont think geno is worse than nassib. geno actually has starting experience and won some games...im not saying he is a stud, but he is probably a cheap contract that can win a game or two if necessary based on the talent he will have around him. again, not saying he is the future, but i am 100% okay with this as i believe that if eli goes down our season is over so might as well save some money. imo geno is better than nassib and josh johnson.
RE: Yes I think Geno is worse than Nassib  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/11/2017 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13389552 PatersonPlank said:
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I think Johnson sucks too. I don't want either one. We need to get a "decent" veteran backup QB and draft an Eli replacement this year (or soon).


I'm fine w that. Just don't think Geno or Nassib would be any different. And since Nassib has never taken a meaningful snap in the NFL I think your dislike of Geno is fine but No one can assume that any of these guys is anything other than a disaster of Eli gets hurt.

I  
Fish : 3/11/2017 6:43 pm : link
Like Geno. Think he got a bad rap in a bad organization. The kid had zero weapons to work with. I'd give him a chance.
Geno Smith is not my favorite option  
Jay on the Island : 3/11/2017 6:46 pm : link
but he is a much better choice than a guy like Sanchez or Gabbert. Smith has talent and has flashed in the past. Perhaps he can develop into a solid backup after learning from Eli.
RE: I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational  
PatersonPlank : 3/11/2017 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13389423 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Geno Smith got to start about 4 games with a relatively healthy Eric Decker, and nada for a supporting receiving core.

Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.

Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.


If people disagree with you they are racist. Are the Jets racist also for letting him going and keeping white QBs?
RE: I  
eric2425ny : 3/11/2017 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13389572 Fish said:
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Like Geno. Think he got a bad rap in a bad organization. The kid had zero weapons to work with. I'd give him a chance.


I agree, that organization is a disaster, look at them now. They have like 15 QB draft choices on the roster and all of them are basically the same player. This kid is not Jamarcus Russell, he's mobile and has a strong arm. He looked like he might be the real deal a few years ago until his teammate broke his jaw.
Nassib was well worth it  
YorkAveGiant : 3/11/2017 7:52 pm : link
A 4th rounder who made it all 4 years on that rookie contract a didn't cost us any real $$ on Eli's backup.

Now he would...so he's gone.

We are clearly going for it this year, geno or some other QB with experience can be the Quincy or David Carr.

Nothing to worry about there.
Not to worried about their play on the field  
rasbutant : 3/11/2017 8:16 pm : link
I want to know more about how they will run the scout team and help Eli watch film and how they hold a clipboard.
Only on BBI  
pjcas18 : 3/11/2017 9:26 pm : link
can a fan not interested in Geno Smith as a backup QB be attributed to racism.

What's next, the lack of Jamarcus Russell interest racism too?

The most ridiculous thing about it is more than half the people who don't want Smith were advocating for Josh Johnson instead.

Sometimes people who toss out that racist label are projecting their own insecurities and it's tiring. Such stupidity should be bannable.
How About?  
Trainmaster : 3/11/2017 10:04 pm : link
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Anakim : 3/11/2017 10:31 pm : link
Josina Anderson‏Verified account @JosinaAnderson
Just spoke to QB Geno Smith. Says visit w/ #Giants is "done," & it went "great. 1st class organization." Just finished dinner at 'Mastro's.'
RE: I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational  
The 12th Man : 3/11/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13389423 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Geno Smith got to start about 4 games with a relatively healthy Eric Decker, and nada for a supporting receiving core.

Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.

Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.


No Bob, he sucks it is that simple.
RE: Nassib was well worth it  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/12/2017 1:19 am : link
In comment 13389601 YorkAveGiant said:
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A 4th rounder who made it all 4 years on that rookie contract a didn't cost us any real $$ on Eli's backup.

Now he would...so he's gone.

We are clearly going for it this year, geno or some other QB with experience can be the Quincy or David Carr.

Nothing to worry about there.


Please. They trade up for him. He was a waste of roster space his whole career here. May as well draft a back up long snapper. It was a dumb pick. And again he was from Cuse so the upstate NY and Cuse crew were inlove with it. Shit. In RD 4 a decent special teams contributor would babe been a better pick. H cost us two picks and was as useful as wet toilet paper.
Wow  
YorkAveGiant : 3/12/2017 1:41 am : link
A lot of folks don't understand football and apparently think 4th rounders go to the HOF or Pro Bowl often.

The Nassib 'trade' worked.

Our 2nd rounders don't make it, and we're crying over a 4th who did? Crazy.
Geno Smith has 28 TDs and 36 Ints for his career  
PatersonPlank : 3/12/2017 11:05 am : link
The two years he started it was even worse, 25 TDs and 34 Ints. He has a lifetime comp % of under 58% and QBR rating of 72. Its not racist to say he sucks, in fact I don't see how anyone can say he was good. Even Jets fans think he sucks.
RE: I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2017 11:27 am : link
In comment 13389423 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Geno Smith ..........


This has to go down as one of the more stupid football subject titles on BBI. Congrats for making the top 10.
RE: Wow  
Enzo : 3/12/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13389913 YorkAveGiant said:
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A lot of folks don't understand football and apparently think 4th rounders go to the HOF or Pro Bowl often.

The Nassib 'trade' worked.

Our 2nd rounders don't make it, and we're crying over a 4th who did? Crazy.

call me crazy but I would prefer to use draft picks on guys who actually...you know....might play. One of the reasons depth was such a problem for this team during TC's last years and why there's sill significant holes on this roster is because of dumb moves like the Nassib trade up.
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