If he comes close to vet min, I'm all for it. Let's face it, Eli goes down and the season goes with him, might as well not dump good cap resources into a backup QB.
i agree...he is probably an insanely cheap option as a backup and thats what we SHOULD get. if eli goes down our season is over anyways. i rather sign someone cheap like geno who is also pretty young so you never know maybe he gets it together, but the real reason i like it is cap savings
If he comes close to vet min, I'm all for it. Let's face it, Eli goes down and the season goes with him, might as well not dump good cap resources into a backup QB.
Again, that depends on how long Eli is out. If he's out for a chunk of the season, sure, the backup isn't likely to lead us to the SB. But what if he's out for 3-4 games? You want a backup who can get you a win or 2. Maybe Geno's that guy, but I don't think so. Pass.
Maybe the Giants think they need someone for the defense to punch
that mess called the Jets. Fresh start,stable environment,signed on the cheap. What's not to like. You want Josh Johnson back? Hopefully still able to draft a young QB as #3 & the future!
If he comes close to vet min, I'm all for it. Let's face it, Eli goes down and the season goes with him, might as well not dump good cap resources into a backup QB.
Again, that depends on how long Eli is out. If he's out for a chunk of the season, sure, the backup isn't likely to lead us to the SB. But what if he's out for 3-4 games? You want a backup who can get you a win or 2. Maybe Geno's that guy, but I don't think so. Pass.
That's the thing - you think the league is OL starved, try signing a halfway decent QB.
For a QB to go .500 in Eli's place, he'd have to be better than halfway decent, and that would command a lot of money (see Osweiler, Brock and Glennon, Mike).
that mess called the Jets. Fresh start,stable environment,signed on the cheap. What's not to like. You want Josh Johnson back? Hopefully still able to draft a young QB as #3 & the future!
If Josh Johnson is cheaper, yes. Especially if they're going to draft a QB that will merit a roster spot too.
Like I said above, Eli's contract + non vet min back-up + plus R1 to R4 draft pick is too many resources.
You're getting as the backup QB? Earl Morrel, Frank Reich, Gary Kubiak? Geno's no starter but he's a secondary Mr round pick with a lot of NFL playing time. That's pretty much all you can ask for as your backup.
hasn't thrown a meaningful pass in almost 6 years.
Obviously the coaching staff and FO know far more than us, but I feel like option #2 being Josh Johnson gives the Giants only slightly better chances to win than option #2 being me; a 6' 210 pound men's league hockey player who hasn't thrown a meaningful pass in 30 years.
This meeting probably has something to do with Marshall
You're getting as the backup QB? Earl Morrel, Frank Reich, Gary Kubiak? Geno's no starter but he's a secondary Mr round pick with a lot of NFL playing time. That's pretty much all you can ask for as your backup.
He is an inaccurate limited turnover mahine who takes sacks. He is the worst of two worlds - a developmental negative play guy. Him becoming a game manager might be a stretch.
Most backups suck too but there we guys who could probably could dink and dunk without taking multiple negative plays every game.
with Geno at QB when he was a rookie. The idea that our season has to be over if Eli goes down for more than 1-2 games is no way to think. We have a great defense. Hold the other team to 10 points, Geno or whomever throws a couple of good passes to OBJ (or Marshall) and voila you have a win. Geno is capable of that. Moreso than say Nassib was.
Embarrassing that we're even bringing him in for a visit
If he comes close to vet min, I'm all for it. Let's face it, Eli goes down and the season goes with him, might as well not dump good cap resources into a backup QB.
I agree.
RE: Embarrassing that we're even bringing him in for a visit
As horrible as Nassib and Johnson are, I'd rather have either. Or even give Wenning the job. Anyone but this failure.
Nassib was awful..Johnson probably even worse. Smith has flaws, but he's more experienced than either of the two, in that Johnson hasn't thrown a pass in what, 6 years?
Here Geno has no delusions of even being in the running as the starter. This team has several needs to fill that will actually play and likely start. That is where you spend the money, not on a backup QB when your starter is Eli.
If they sign him, you'll change your tune. Just like you did with every other "bad" player the Giants signed. Once they don Giants blue, all is forgiven.
If they sign him, you'll change your tune. Just like you did with every other "bad" player the Giants signed. Once they don Giants blue, all is forgiven.
This wouldn't be the worst signing in the world.
And he's 26...😜😜😜
RE: RE: Embarrassing that we're even bringing him in for a visit
As horrible as Nassib and Johnson are, I'd rather have either. Or even give Wenning the job. Anyone but this failure.
Nassib was awful..Johnson probably even worse. Smith has flaws, but he's more experienced than either of the two, in that Johnson hasn't thrown a pass in what, 6 years?
Not sure how this can be perceived as a bad move if the $$ is right. The guy might not be great, but keep in mind he played for NY's minor league team and is a former high end pick. Watch this guy end up being fantastic in preseason (hopefully that's all he'll have to play). I'd rather have a guy with some potential than a lousy Curtis Painter type.
That's the thing - you think the league is OL starved, try signing a halfway decent QB.
For a QB to go .500 in Eli's place, he'd have to be better than halfway decent, and that would command a lot of money (see Osweiler, Brock and Glennon, Mike).
That's true. I guess we could do worse. I'd take a look at Josh McCown or TJ Yates first, but you do want a guy who at least has some NFL starts.
The Bucs offered Glennon 8 mil per to stay on as a backup.
Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.
I was thinking the same thing.
He's a big guy, maybe TE-convert in mind.If he can block, 4OLs,2(1 as a designated OL) blocking TEs, who might be better than our 5+1 last year.
The Bucs offered Glennon 8 mil per to stay on as a backup.
Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.
Sometimes they're cheap and sometimes they aren't. Depends on a number of variables.
The Bucs offered Glennon 8 mil per to stay on as a backup.
Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.
Kind of an outlier, and questionable situation since the Bucs aren't paying their QB real money yet. 8 million a year for a backup QB is absolutely not the going rate around the league.
They can draft a developmental QB on day 3, and carry him (or Keith Wenning) as a healthy scratch or possibly on the practice squad for a year. They did the same thing in Nassib's rookie year, with Curtis Painter as the #2. Eli is four years older now, which makes insurance more expensive.
BTW, a dozen QBs have started for the Jets since November 2004. For some reason, I thought that was worth mentioning.
on the cheap you could do a lot worse. He's got 30 starts under his belt which is nothing to sneeze at. I prefer going this route as opposed to what they gave up for Nassib.
At the very least a good back up. Has played in an organizational nuthouse his whole career. This could be a good move for both parties. I tell you this: he is better than fucking Johnson, who has done zero.
Racism is the lazy man's argument here in this thread, where there is absolutely NO plausible objective evidence, and your accusation is based on nothing more than your own assumptions.
You make very valid points as to why -- on a football basis only -- Smith is being judged harshly here and without consideration of the entire context he was asked to perform in.
But -- even if you disagree with them, as is your right -- the prior posters have a lot of other evidence that supports the reasonableness of their (admittedly subjective, like yours) opinion.
So let's keep it real -- there is enough ground for a good-faith football debate here. Let's leave the politics to where they are legitimately implicated (which is sadly in too many places these days).
Geno Smith would make an excellent addition. It's not like they're bringing him in to be the starter and handing him the keys. He has a good set of tools to run McAdoo's offense and given enough time to learn behind Eli, Smith could be very effective if called upon.
Geno Smith got to start about 4 games with a relatively healthy Eric Decker, and nada for a supporting receiving core.
Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.
Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.
Stop it with the racist crap. If it was Russel Wilson who somehow wanted to be Eli's backup you wouldn't hear a negative word. Also half the people on here are saying to go with Josh Johnson instead.
Geno, for someone picked in a similar spot as someone named Drew Brees, has for all intents and purposes been a poor pro, with weird locker room stories to go along with the poor play.
He is terrible and not a player that I would want as a back up.
He is like Cutler really good tools but not a good player.
Even the Jets do not want him and their need is significantly greater than the Giants.
If Eli ever got hurt there is no way I would want Geno leading the team down the field. He is a turnover waiting to happen.
Jets have Petty and Hackenberg. No reason for Smith. For all the Smith hate are two back ups last year whee a guy who got a ton of push here on BBI by the Cuse and upstate NY guys. Dude was a solid college QB for a program yet hasn't mattered since McNabb graduated and a guy who shouldn't have been on the roster.
Smith did a lot more and showed a lot more than Nassib ever did in college and not surprisingly fell apart at the cross town shit show that the Jets have become. I'll take him over a healthy Nassib. Both are guys who shiosmt never start a game unless Eli gets hurt.
At this point the need to draft an heir apparent is closer than it ever has been. Maybe a Trubisky falls to RD 2 but Smith for a year is not the End of Days
Geno sucks, cmon. The Jets chose Petty (unproven), Hackenburg
(or whatever, also unproven and likely sucky), and Fitzpatrick (proven but sucky) all over him.
Can you honestly say he's worse than Nassib or Johnson? They invested a 2nd and 3rd in the two guys they kept. Sure teams choose guys they picked over guys they didn't all the time. And they are still looking for a QB.
He's supposed to never ever take a meaningful snap. If the OL was so fucking shitty I'd have almost zero worries. Even as bad as it is Eli didn't miss a snap. Anyone gettin excised over this needs. To get out of the house more and away from the computer
I think Johnson sucks too. I don't want either one. We need to get a "decent" veteran backup QB and draft an Eli replacement this year (or soon).
guys, i dont think geno is worse than nassib. geno actually has starting experience and won some games...im not saying he is a stud, but he is probably a cheap contract that can win a game or two if necessary based on the talent he will have around him. again, not saying he is the future, but i am 100% okay with this as i believe that if eli goes down our season is over so might as well save some money. imo geno is better than nassib and josh johnson.
I think Johnson sucks too. I don't want either one. We need to get a "decent" veteran backup QB and draft an Eli replacement this year (or soon).
I'm fine w that. Just don't think Geno or Nassib would be any different. And since Nassib has never taken a meaningful snap in the NFL I think your dislike of Geno is fine but No one can assume that any of these guys is anything other than a disaster of Eli gets hurt.
but he is a much better choice than a guy like Sanchez or Gabbert. Smith has talent and has flashed in the past. Perhaps he can develop into a solid backup after learning from Eli.
RE: I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational
Like Geno. Think he got a bad rap in a bad organization. The kid had zero weapons to work with. I'd give him a chance.
I agree, that organization is a disaster, look at them now. They have like 15 QB draft choices on the roster and all of them are basically the same player. This kid is not Jamarcus Russell, he's mobile and has a strong arm. He looked like he might be the real deal a few years ago until his teammate broke his jaw.
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RE: I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational
A 4th rounder who made it all 4 years on that rookie contract a didn't cost us any real $$ on Eli's backup.
Now he would...so he's gone.
We are clearly going for it this year, geno or some other QB with experience can be the Quincy or David Carr.
Nothing to worry about there.
Please. They trade up for him. He was a waste of roster space his whole career here. May as well draft a back up long snapper. It was a dumb pick. And again he was from Cuse so the upstate NY and Cuse crew were inlove with it. Shit. In RD 4 a decent special teams contributor would babe been a better pick. H cost us two picks and was as useful as wet toilet paper.
The two years he started it was even worse, 25 TDs and 34 Ints. He has a lifetime comp % of under 58% and QBR rating of 72. Its not racist to say he sucks, in fact I don't see how anyone can say he was good. Even Jets fans think he sucks.
RE: I assume much of this hatred is racist, it certainly isn't rational
A lot of folks don't understand football and apparently think 4th rounders go to the HOF or Pro Bowl often.
The Nassib 'trade' worked.
Our 2nd rounders don't make it, and we're crying over a 4th who did? Crazy.
call me crazy but I would prefer to use draft picks on guys who actually...you know....might play. One of the reasons depth was such a problem for this team during TC's last years and why there's sill significant holes on this roster is because of dumb moves like the Nassib trade up.
Let the cries of doom begin.
i agree...he is probably an insanely cheap option as a backup and thats what we SHOULD get. if eli goes down our season is over anyways. i rather sign someone cheap like geno who is also pretty young so you never know maybe he gets it together, but the real reason i like it is cap savings
Too many resources for one position.
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Guy who got slugged in the mouth and missed a season.
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Guy who got slugged in the mouth and missed a season.
In fairness, wasn't his jaw shattered?
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Guy who got slugged in the mouth and missed a season.
Rosenfels wasn't that bad, even though they overpaid for him.
Carr was worse, especially when he left briefly and got exposed in SFO and came running back to his safe clipboard space.
Again, that depends on how long Eli is out. If he's out for a chunk of the season, sure, the backup isn't likely to lead us to the SB. But what if he's out for 3-4 games? You want a backup who can get you a win or 2. Maybe Geno's that guy, but I don't think so. Pass.
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If he comes close to vet min, I'm all for it. Let's face it, Eli goes down and the season goes with him, might as well not dump good cap resources into a backup QB.
Again, that depends on how long Eli is out. If he's out for a chunk of the season, sure, the backup isn't likely to lead us to the SB. But what if he's out for 3-4 games? You want a backup who can get you a win or 2. Maybe Geno's that guy, but I don't think so. Pass.
That's the thing - you think the league is OL starved, try signing a halfway decent QB.
For a QB to go .500 in Eli's place, he'd have to be better than halfway decent, and that would command a lot of money (see Osweiler, Brock and Glennon, Mike).
Exactly. Who do people think they're going to get?
He is terrible and not a player that I would want as a back up.
He is like Cutler really good tools but not a good player.
Even the Jets do not want him and their need is significantly greater than the Giants.
If Eli ever got hurt there is no way I would want Geno leading the team down the field. He is a turnover waiting to happen.
If Josh Johnson is cheaper, yes. Especially if they're going to draft a QB that will merit a roster spot too.
Like I said above, Eli's contract + non vet min back-up + plus R1 to R4 draft pick is too many resources.
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Obviously the coaching staff and FO know far more than us, but I feel like option #2 being Josh Johnson gives the Giants only slightly better chances to win than option #2 being me; a 6' 210 pound men's league hockey player who hasn't thrown a meaningful pass in 30 years.
Now there's a haircut you can set your watch to.
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Most backups suck too but there we guys who could probably could dink and dunk without taking multiple negative plays every game.
Nassib was awful..Johnson probably even worse. Smith has flaws, but he's more experienced than either of the two, in that Johnson hasn't thrown a pass in what, 6 years?
This wouldn't be the worst signing in the world.
This wouldn't be the worst signing in the world.
And he's 26...😜😜😜
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As horrible as Nassib and Johnson are, I'd rather have either. Or even give Wenning the job. Anyone but this failure.
Nassib was awful..Johnson probably even worse. Smith has flaws, but he's more experienced than either of the two, in that Johnson hasn't thrown a pass in what, 6 years?
Not sure how this can be perceived as a bad move if the $$ is right. The guy might not be great, but keep in mind he played for NY's minor league team and is a former high end pick. Watch this guy end up being fantastic in preseason (hopefully that's all he'll have to play). I'd rather have a guy with some potential than a lousy Curtis Painter type.
That's the thing - you think the league is OL starved, try signing a halfway decent QB.
For a QB to go .500 in Eli's place, he'd have to be better than halfway decent, and that would command a lot of money (see Osweiler, Brock and Glennon, Mike).
That's true. I guess we could do worse. I'd take a look at Josh McCown or TJ Yates first, but you do want a guy who at least has some NFL starts.
Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.
He's a big guy, maybe TE-convert in mind.If he can block, 4OLs,2(1 as a designated OL) blocking TEs, who might be better than our 5+1 last year.
Geno is very noble.
Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.
Sometimes they're cheap and sometimes they aren't. Depends on a number of variables.
Geno has experience starting and some tools. He would actually be their best backup QB in quite a while. If he hadn't played of the Jets I think more people would be on board with the idea.
Kind of an outlier, and questionable situation since the Bucs aren't paying their QB real money yet. 8 million a year for a backup QB is absolutely not the going rate around the league.
Nassib was perfect. A low cost insurance policy we never needed.
BTW, a dozen QBs have started for the Jets since November 2004. For some reason, I thought that was worth mentioning.
It's a visit , my god go find something else to do with your lives
IDK... Nassib looked awful in the preseason last year, but he was usually good on the VERY rare occasions he got regular season game action.
Geno Smith is an untrustworthy human being, let alone an untrustworthy football player. I'd rather go with Nassib.
It's a visit , my god go find something else to do with your lives
Do you work for the Giants by any chance?
I never knew that. Vet minimums aren't counted against the cap?
I just spoke to QB Geno Smith. He has landed in NJ and is pulling up for his visit with the #Giants shortly.
Cowboys draft a starter in the 4th round and the Giants take a guy who can't play period. Come on down Gino.
Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.
Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.
You make very valid points as to why -- on a football basis only -- Smith is being judged harshly here and without consideration of the entire context he was asked to perform in.
But -- even if you disagree with them, as is your right -- the prior posters have a lot of other evidence that supports the reasonableness of their (admittedly subjective, like yours) opinion.
So let's keep it real -- there is enough ground for a good-faith football debate here. Let's leave the politics to where they are legitimately implicated (which is sadly in too many places these days).
Peace.
Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.
Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.
Stop it with the racist crap. If it was Russel Wilson who somehow wanted to be Eli's backup you wouldn't hear a negative word. Also half the people on here are saying to go with Josh Johnson instead.
Geno, for someone picked in a similar spot as someone named Drew Brees, has for all intents and purposes been a poor pro, with weird locker room stories to go along with the poor play.
He is terrible and not a player that I would want as a back up.
He is like Cutler really good tools but not a good player.
Even the Jets do not want him and their need is significantly greater than the Giants.
If Eli ever got hurt there is no way I would want Geno leading the team down the field. He is a turnover waiting to happen.
Jets have Petty and Hackenberg. No reason for Smith. For all the Smith hate are two back ups last year whee a guy who got a ton of push here on BBI by the Cuse and upstate NY guys. Dude was a solid college QB for a program yet hasn't mattered since McNabb graduated and a guy who shouldn't have been on the roster.
Smith did a lot more and showed a lot more than Nassib ever did in college and not surprisingly fell apart at the cross town shit show that the Jets have become. I'll take him over a healthy Nassib. Both are guys who shiosmt never start a game unless Eli gets hurt.
At this point the need to draft an heir apparent is closer than it ever has been. Maybe a Trubisky falls to RD 2 but Smith for a year is not the End of Days
Can you honestly say he's worse than Nassib or Johnson? They invested a 2nd and 3rd in the two guys they kept. Sure teams choose guys they picked over guys they didn't all the time. And they are still looking for a QB.
He's supposed to never ever take a meaningful snap. If the OL was so fucking shitty I'd have almost zero worries. Even as bad as it is Eli didn't miss a snap. Anyone gettin excised over this needs. To get out of the house more and away from the computer
guys, i dont think geno is worse than nassib. geno actually has starting experience and won some games...im not saying he is a stud, but he is probably a cheap contract that can win a game or two if necessary based on the talent he will have around him. again, not saying he is the future, but i am 100% okay with this as i believe that if eli goes down our season is over so might as well save some money. imo geno is better than nassib and josh johnson.
I'm fine w that. Just don't think Geno or Nassib would be any different. And since Nassib has never taken a meaningful snap in the NFL I think your dislike of Geno is fine but No one can assume that any of these guys is anything other than a disaster of Eli gets hurt.
Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.
Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.
If people disagree with you they are racist. Are the Jets racist also for letting him going and keeping white QBs?
I agree, that organization is a disaster, look at them now. They have like 15 QB draft choices on the roster and all of them are basically the same player. This kid is not Jamarcus Russell, he's mobile and has a strong arm. He looked like he might be the real deal a few years ago until his teammate broke his jaw.
Now he would...so he's gone.
We are clearly going for it this year, geno or some other QB with experience can be the Quincy or David Carr.
Nothing to worry about there.
What's next, the lack of Jamarcus Russell interest racism too?
The most ridiculous thing about it is more than half the people who don't want Smith were advocating for Josh Johnson instead.
Sometimes people who toss out that racist label are projecting their own insecurities and it's tiring. Such stupidity should be bannable.
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Just spoke to QB Geno Smith. Says visit w/ #Giants is "done," & it went "great. 1st class organization." Just finished dinner at 'Mastro's.'
Assuming you are putting OBJ, Marshall and Shepherd out with him Geno Smith can and will win games.
Most legitimate Plan B QB we have looked at in some time.
No Bob, he sucks it is that simple.
Now he would...so he's gone.
We are clearly going for it this year, geno or some other QB with experience can be the Quincy or David Carr.
Nothing to worry about there.
Please. They trade up for him. He was a waste of roster space his whole career here. May as well draft a back up long snapper. It was a dumb pick. And again he was from Cuse so the upstate NY and Cuse crew were inlove with it. Shit. In RD 4 a decent special teams contributor would babe been a better pick. H cost us two picks and was as useful as wet toilet paper.
The Nassib 'trade' worked.
Our 2nd rounders don't make it, and we're crying over a 4th who did? Crazy.
This has to go down as one of the more stupid football subject titles on BBI. Congrats for making the top 10.
The Nassib 'trade' worked.
Our 2nd rounders don't make it, and we're crying over a 4th who did? Crazy.
call me crazy but I would prefer to use draft picks on guys who actually...you know....might play. One of the reasons depth was such a problem for this team during TC's last years and why there's sill significant holes on this roster is because of dumb moves like the Nassib trade up.