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OT DJ Fluker agrees to a one-year deal with the Giants, source says. Former 11th overall pick gets a chance to reset his career.
So have Ellison lined up tighter to the line with Marshall on the same side and they should finally have some successful runs to the outside (I would hope). Move Ellison out a little farther from the line and you have nice blocking for a screen pass. We know that an improved run/short passing game helps slow down a pass rush.
Admittedly I'm not much of an Xs and Os guy though. Still seems legit to me.
dorian johnson in the 2nd to play rg. then a developmental LT like garcia or davenport. Let Flowers have one more swing at LT, move him to the right side and let fluker go if he fails.
if the intent was for him to play guard. It seems obvious that he was more comfortable at tackle in San Diego.
He had a meeting scheduled with the Pats. He signed instead. The deal he signed is really contingent going forward on performance. Seems like he and his agent liked what they heard, both financially and with regard to the playing opportunity.
at RT. This is a good signing for the money by Reese.The draft should yield 2 OL( OG and OT) in the first 4 rounds. I hope the Giants can draft either Howard or Riddick in the first round. A CB and RB from a talented group would also be welcome additions.
I still have faint hope that Hankins can be resigned if we can get JPP signed to a long term contract early next week.It seems that Hankins wants to remain a Giant.
we traded Newhouse for Fluker. Is that an upgrade? Let's hope so. Most people here are all gaga over the signing. Can't say I know much about him, but what I've seen here in the last few days is, he played decently at RT his first year not so much his second. Then he was moved to Guard where he really wasn't effective.
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
we traded Newhouse for Fluker. Is that an upgrade? Let's hope so. Most people here are all gaga over the signing. Can't say I know much about him, but what I've seen here in the last few days is, he played decently at RT his first year not so much his second. Then he was moved to Guard where he really wasn't effective.
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
Looks like Solari has his work cut out.
So, I guess the decision seems to be he will be a RT instead of a RG. So, the question we need to ask is Fluker an upgrade over Newhouse?
I guess this kid was better as a tackle and stunk as a guard, or so I read. But, correct me if I'm wrong, LT was the biggest problem last year and we still have Flowers out there trying to protect Eli. I guess if our new TE is only going to be a blocker, so maybe the thinking is we will mostly have two guys blocking the right defensive end, so maybe that works out. If this is the thinking, it sounds better.
Easily done with Vereen and or Thomas. I believe JR has that $6m of cap space up his sleeve just in case JPP doesn't sign long term for Hankins. Time will tell.
it seems predicated on Big Mac having the authority to bench either this new kid, of Flowers, or anyone on the line, which seems to a fan in question as of last season.
predicated on coach being able to move these players around within the line, also debatable, and hopefully in now way precludes drafting OL early and often.
in addition, lets please stop, some posters here, assuming a skills hierarchy that enables a marginal OT to be a great OG. That's such nonsense thinking. If an OT lacks the balance and low power and feet to play outside, what makes you think he can get low enough to stop a big nifty DT or move quickly enough to nail a stunting inside DE, or etc.?
given that we were not going to sign an expensive LT, i think we got a good value with a high ceiling. it's only 1 year, so a good risk, and he plays the right side which is were we need it. this is the guy i wanted them to sign.
If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
Learn to not feel great about it, we were never getting a top Tackle or Guard.
As for Fluker he's low risk high reward, what more can you ask when spending what we did?
given that we were not going to sign an expensive LT, i think we got a good value with a high ceiling. it's only 1 year, so a good risk, and he plays the right side which is were we need it. this is the guy i wanted them to sign.
Not sure if we got high ceiling. He's had what 4 years to prove his worth. If the Chargers didn't want to extend him, I don't know.
I do agree though that it's minimal risk at 3M. Let's hope he's an upgrade over Newhouse or Jerry if they want him to play guard
thy are a poorly ran and poorly coached team. Players sometimes need new scenery. If the Pats signed him many would be talking about a steal at $3 million.
thy are a poorly ran and poorly coached team. Players sometimes need new scenery. If the Pats signed him many would be talking about a steal at $3 million.
Why does Resse seem to be attracted to under achieving offensive linemen ?
Newhouse, Jerry, Fluker and even Flowers was considered an underachiever in College.
All these players seem to have a high ceiling and a low floor.
This miss potential is high and it seems the Giants have had their fair share of misses.
But everyone is try to grade these moves and project how well they will play, it's pointless.
Of course we are doing that. It's the offseason, that is what we do.
I'm glad to read a balance here regarding this move. Yes, for 3 million, it is a low risk move. But on the other hand, this move may not prove to be any better than what we had - Newhouse or Jerry, depending on where he plays. We shall see, won't we?
Except for being able to discount a move to C or the Left Side
Predictions on position for Fluker are total bull shit except that the universe is only 2.
Now that he is a team member, rather than one of hundreds of possible speculations, the coaching staff can now spend the time on film and past scouting reports to identify what they believe is his best NFL starting position.
thy are a poorly ran and poorly coached team. Players sometimes need new scenery. If the Pats signed him many would be talking about a steal at $3 million.
he sucks and this is Jerry and GM jr hoping to find a Rembrandt at the flea market. The Chargers gave up on him at tackle, tried to find some use for him at guard and finally threw in the towel. Potential suitors had plenty of film on him and he was willing to sign a 1 year deal for 3 million. What does that tell you about the other offers he had on the table?
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
I imagine any conversation the Giants had included weight management. Was always a big concern with Robbins, Shawn Andrews, Shaun Rogers, now Hankins - Giants want these big guys who play "high" with their weight down. Perhaps the Chargers aren't so careful in these matters.
As a bonus, he's played in a WCO all 4 years in the NFL so if nothing else, he's a scheme-fit
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Look Newhouse was mediocre and so is Jerry - this is a good deal
Newhouse also made $3M. He left so what do we do? We get a player who was drafted a lot higher, and could potentially be a lot better, for the same price. At every look this deal is a good thing for the Giants. At worst he will be the same and we have lost nothing, even the money is the same.
I've never been a Jerry fan, but I'd rather him at RG than Fluker.
Whatever upgrade Fluker brings in run blocking is completely nuked by how terrible he is in pass pro -- and with how terrible the tackles are likely going to be in pass pro for this team again, you can't take away the pocket even more for a happy footed QB and expect good things to come.
Fluker is fine as a back-up signing (LT/RT/G) and that's hopefully he were he ends up.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
I'm actually pretty happy with our offseason thus far. But the fact remains that if you don't praise the FO up and down and show even just one iota of doubt, a certain few will jump you for showing any doubt whatsoever. At this point, I am convinced they work for the franchise. I don't want to think the other alternative, which would be kind of sad and creepy. I like to think the best of my fellow Giants fans..
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Boo hoo fucking hoo.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Boo hoo fucking hoo.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
Blah, blah, blah. Waaah, waaah, waaah. GM Jr. and all that.
Just more pissing and moaning from the King of Negative Spin.
Yes, he isn't one of the top end guys, and has struggled so far....but look at what a guy like Joekel (sp?) from JAX got - another high draft pick who hasn't performed well. We couldn't afford any of the 'Sure Thing' OL this year (of which there weren't many - even the best, Whitworth, had age as a ? against him). We went and found a guy we could afford who has some upside. At $3M, we weren't getting a proven vet coming off a good year. This improves the overall talent and depth on the OL, and should improve the play (if the coaches use prep them well and scheme well). Some people here would only be happy if we signed like Zeitler and Okung, and then likely would have complained about the price keeping us from signing JPP/Hankins etc
any press comments about who will play where on the OL
How can those comments be made when the coaches have not even worked with the new kid yet?
nor worked with any draft picks yet?
I would -highly- question any situation where the OL coach and the head coach cannot dictate who plays at which spot and when on the OL or anywhere else.
I'd still like to see Jerry back...though him being listed as RG makes me wonder. I don't think Jerry would cost much, brings good experience in our system, and hopefully would be depth to a draft pick/Fluker/another FA?
A little short, but still closer to 6'5" than 6'4".
Freakish long arms at over 36".
40 time under 5.30 which means he is not as heavy-footed as you worry about a guy this massive.
I believe that you attempt RT as it is a harder position to fill adequately. I would not worry about Bobby Hart. He will land where he will. His ceiling is marginal and an organization should always be looking to move him out of a starting spot.
Move 55 and the walkie-talkie-gate pick to move up in a 'Landon Collins type' trade to get a OL that falls into the 2nd round. Use the first rounder on BPA as always.
Oline could look like Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Lamp-Fluker.
That's what I think the Giants do and would love it. I want a play maker in round 1 and a grunt in round 2.
Why is he a RG? He was a better player at RT. Doesn't have fast feet. Do you know anything about offensive line play?
You had better be asking Sy that question. When it comes to talent evaluation, I defer to him. Oh and for further evidence, Raanan wrote/tweeted he was signed for RG. You're welcome.
Admittedly I'm not much of an Xs and Os guy though. Still seems legit to me.
He had a meeting scheduled with the Pats. He signed instead. The deal he signed is really contingent going forward on performance. Seems like he and his agent liked what they heard, both financially and with regard to the playing opportunity.
IMHO
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That Pugh competes to play LT? Flowers to RT and Fluker to RG? Draft a LG?
If Pugh was the answer at LT they wouldn't have drafted Flowers.
Of course. But the problem is that Flowers may not be the answer either. Or worse than Pugh.
I still have faint hope that Hankins can be resigned if we can get JPP signed to a long term contract early next week.It seems that Hankins wants to remain a Giant.
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
Looks like Solari has his work cut out.
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Young, big OL.
That would be a nasty OLine...I'm game as long as they can keep Eli clean
Guy like Lamp at #23 or Dion Dawkins later makes sense. Still think they go playmaker at #23 (TE/DE)
Add CB to that mix.
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how is he an upgrade over Jerry?
He's not. JJ played OK last year.
Well, if he is not an upgrade over Jerry, why is everyone so excited about this signing?
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
Looks like Solari has his work cut out.
So, I guess the decision seems to be he will be a RT instead of a RG. So, the question we need to ask is Fluker an upgrade over Newhouse?
I guess this kid was better as a tackle and stunk as a guard, or so I read. But, correct me if I'm wrong, LT was the biggest problem last year and we still have Flowers out there trying to protect Eli. I guess if our new TE is only going to be a blocker, so maybe the thinking is we will mostly have two guys blocking the right defensive end, so maybe that works out. If this is the thinking, it sounds better.
predicated on coach being able to move these players around within the line, also debatable, and hopefully in now way precludes drafting OL early and often.
in addition, lets please stop, some posters here, assuming a skills hierarchy that enables a marginal OT to be a great OG. That's such nonsense thinking. If an OT lacks the balance and low power and feet to play outside, what makes you think he can get low enough to stop a big nifty DT or move quickly enough to nail a stunting inside DE, or etc.?
If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
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If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
Learn to not feel great about it, we were never getting a top Tackle or Guard.
As for Fluker he's low risk high reward, what more can you ask when spending what we did?
Not sure if we got high ceiling. He's had what 4 years to prove his worth. If the Chargers didn't want to extend him, I don't know.
I do agree though that it's minimal risk at 3M. Let's hope he's an upgrade over Newhouse or Jerry if they want him to play guard
Well, only if he plays well.
Newhouse, Jerry, Fluker and even Flowers was considered an underachiever in College.
All these players seem to have a high ceiling and a low floor.
This miss potential is high and it seems the Giants have had their fair share of misses.
Of course we are doing that. It's the offseason, that is what we do.
I'm glad to read a balance here regarding this move. Yes, for 3 million, it is a low risk move. But on the other hand, this move may not prove to be any better than what we had - Newhouse or Jerry, depending on where he plays. We shall see, won't we?
Now that he is a team member, rather than one of hundreds of possible speculations, the coaching staff can now spend the time on film and past scouting reports to identify what they believe is his best NFL starting position.
I give him until game 4 before BBI hates him too
this ^
As a bonus, he's played in a WCO all 4 years in the NFL so if nothing else, he's a scheme-fit
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Fluker is fine as a back-up signing (LT/RT/G) and that's hopefully he were he ends up.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
Word.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
I'm actually pretty happy with our offseason thus far. But the fact remains that if you don't praise the FO up and down and show even just one iota of doubt, a certain few will jump you for showing any doubt whatsoever. At this point, I am convinced they work for the franchise. I don't want to think the other alternative, which would be kind of sad and creepy. I like to think the best of my fellow Giants fans..
That also drew a 15 yard penalty.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Boo hoo fucking hoo.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
Blah, blah, blah. Waaah, waaah, waaah. GM Jr. and all that.
Just more pissing and moaning from the King of Negative Spin.
Nothing new to see here...move along.
How can those comments be made when the coaches have not even worked with the new kid yet?
nor worked with any draft picks yet?
I would -highly- question any situation where the OL coach and the head coach cannot dictate who plays at which spot and when on the OL or anywhere else.
Freakish long arms at over 36".
40 time under 5.30 which means he is not as heavy-footed as you worry about a guy this massive.
I believe that you attempt RT as it is a harder position to fill adequately. I would not worry about Bobby Hart. He will land where he will. His ceiling is marginal and an organization should always be looking to move him out of a starting spot.
That's how u see this? Fuck...
Dwarfs most he goes against...
Guess we shall see
Oline could look like Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Lamp-Fluker.
That's what I think the Giants do and would love it. I want a play maker in round 1 and a grunt in round 2.
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He's likely a RG
Why is he a RG? He was a better player at RT. Doesn't have fast feet. Do you know anything about offensive line play?
You had better be asking Sy that question. When it comes to talent evaluation, I defer to him. Oh and for further evidence, Raanan wrote/tweeted he was signed for RG. You're welcome.