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OT DJ Fluker agrees to a one-year deal with the Giants, source says. Former 11th overall pick gets a chance to reset his career.
and I love the idea that he's on a one year deal. Every incentive to have a great year for us, any illusions that he's done enough to have a big payday are shattered. He is a talented guy, low risk high reward at our biggest need position.
no risk. Just have to hope he benefits from a "change of scenery." Would guess that with an anticipated draft pick, that this also means the end of Jerry.
Its clearly a gamble the DJ will become that pro everyone thought he would. But for one year it is worth taking. Hopefully he and Flowers will blossom (no pun intended)
had to get someone. He's as good as any that's left. With Fluker, I wonder about his ability to pick up stunts and twists. He's feet aren't great frankly.
had to get someone. He's as good as any that's left. With Fluker, I wonder about his ability to pick up stunts and twists. He's feet aren't great frankly.
Yes. But hopefully ag the very least the Giants will be able to run the ball, it's been far too long since they were able to do that.
I would love to see him move to RG and become the road grader they desperately need there. Then address LT in the draft and move Flowers to RT. Fluker and Flowers on the right side is a big nasty combination.
So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
That's pretty big. They needed to sign someone decent and he's still young enough to improve. Like others have said, hopefully he's the RG since I think he'd play better there than at RT. But it wouldn't surprise me to see them bring back Jerry with Fluker as the RT.
The Giants were reportedly very high on him during the draft
So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
apologies....didnt expand on my thinking. draft a LT at 23 and allow the pieces to fall as they may. this is how i have them falling. guys get drafted all the time and start right away. ramcyzk is sound in terms of technique. he should transition well to the NFL. flowers isnt a OT imo, kick him inside, where his technique flaws could be hidden some. and fluker was better as a RT than a RG. but to my original point him and flowers will be on right side...who plays OG and OT is yet to be seen. this was my prediction for how it falls. btw plug ANY of the top 4 rookies in at LT. sorry but they cannot be worse than flowers right now
Over Ramczyk. I think he's much better suited to play LT than Ramczyk is. Have an OL of Bolles-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Flowers. Could be a very good OL
It is way more likely that Fluker would be the RG with Flowers at RT. I still firmly believe that Flowers will be the opening day LT regardless of what they do in the draft. The Giants are very persistent on giving their 1st round picks every opportunity to succeed. Let's hope that Flowers has a great off-season and he works tirelessly on his technique and has a breakout season.
Over Ramczyk. I think he's much better suited to play LT than Ramczyk is. Have an OL of Bolles-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Flowers. Could be a very good OL
It is way more likely that Fluker would be the RG with Flowers at RT. I still firmly believe that Flowers will be the opening day LT regardless of what they do in the draft. The Giants are very persistent on giving their 1st round picks every opportunity to succeed. Let's hope that Flowers has a great off-season and he works tirelessly on his technique and has a breakout season.
i like bolles, just went ramczyk as he is more sound technique wise, well at least thats my opinion. but again, feel the pieces will fall with the rook at LT....
So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
Thoughts on the signing?
It's a good signing. Do you kick him inside from the jump? I'm not sure they can do that.
But it's a one year prove it deal which I love. I just hope he's not shot. I liked him out of college and he disappointed. But that might be partly due to where he played.
Regardless, anything the team can do to address the OL is huge. I think they've had an excellent off-season so far.
This third year will be Flowers best. He's going to surprise a lot of people. Myself included. This is his year.
with limited funds to work with, he had a few needs that had to be addressed on offense
- Get a big WR to pair opposite Odell/Shepard
- Get a blocking TE / FB type
- Get a TE who can stretch the defense and make plays
- Sign an offensive lineman (at least one)
- Get a RB
Well, he was able to bring in Marshall, Ellison, and now Fluker. There are plenty of RBs available on the market and there isn't exactly a strong clamoring for their services. If they can find a way to get the JPP extension done, and bring back Hankins, and land a veteran RB to work with Perkins, they've done all you can really ask in free agency with what they had cap wise.
That opens up the draft to find a good TE (there are plenty of options) and also be in position to draft at DE or OL.
with limited funds to work with, he had a few needs that had to be addressed on offense
- Get a big WR to pair opposite Odell/Shepard
- Get a blocking TE / FB type
- Get a TE who can stretch the defense and make plays
- Sign an offensive lineman (at least one)
- Get a RB
Well said
Well, he was able to bring in Marshall, Ellison, and now Fluker. There are plenty of RBs available on the market and there isn't exactly a strong clamoring for their services. If they can find a way to get the JPP extension done, and bring back Hankins, and land a veteran RB to work with Perkins, they've done all you can really ask in free agency with what they had cap wise.
That opens up the draft to find a good TE (there are plenty of options) and also be in position to draft at DE or OL.
If Reese gets JPP signed ASAP and that enables us to keep Hankins, you're right,that would be one hell of a job. Hate to think of the interior line weakened with the loss of Hankins which I believe will show up when we defend the Cowboys. Love to keep this defense intact and possibly add a linebacker(Reddick)in the draft.
...or divided between salary and bonus (or guaranteed money). If it's all salary, they can release him at no cost in September if he fails to win a starting job. Of course I'm rooting for just the opposite, but it's always nice to have a cost-free escape clause.
As I said in another thread, I'd like to see them put Fluker on a diet and get his weight down to 320 lbs. But what I do know, if it was as simple as that I'm sure the Chargers would've demanded it of him.
RE: Hoping we find a way to sign LB Zach Brown and look into Sen'Derrick
Finally a at the very least good run blocker. Will help our running game slot.wether it's at RG or RT. Still stuck with flowers at Lt though. Hopefully he will improve?
The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks. Ramczyk Scout Review - ( New Window )
all due respect. its your opion ramczyk isnt worthy. i think hes yechnichally sound. many agree. i also like bolles. opionions r fine but what makes the draft great is there are no absolutes. just projections. we all get some right and some wrong
RE: RE: RE: Hoping we find a way to sign LB Zach Brown and look into Sen'Derrick
Marks. I'm resigned to the fact that Johnathan Hankins will not be back
Sen'Derrick Marks knees are shot.
Is that confirmed?
Supposedly he is rehabbed, but he suffered a nasty knee injury the prior season. Unfortunately, due to my geographical location, I get Jax games. He looks to be a shell of what he was.
Will add another player or two to compete for a starting position on the OLine, whether it's the draft or a free agent, but I would not be surprised to see the Giants add a couple of guards from this draft, it has some good prospects at guard, and guards are a lot easier to punch in and play. They also may just bring back Jerry, who did not play that bad last season, then draft a lineman, I would not expect to add a starting tackle from this draft, that does not mean they won't take one to compete for a job, but a plug and play tackle may not be available in this draft.
Plus you have to take the best player available in rounds 1 and 2, no bullshit about that either, we can ill afford misses in the first two rounds. We still need a tight end, running back, defensive end, linebacker, always can add a defensive back, and 1 or 2 offensive linemen. Reese has done things in free agency these last two seasons so he can add the best players available and also team leaders, and it has worked.
This signing might have more upside than any move Reese has ever made
Fluker is going to be our starting RT and I think he is going to really impress. No risk signing, massive upgrade over Newhouse, really excited to see him in Blue.
Is our left tackle.. And will be our left tackle for the next 10+ years! Going on record. He will improve vastly like alot of 22 year old, top 10 picks do.
How would Fluker (being strong in run blocking) playing alongside Jerry (strong in pass blocking) fair? By ratings it seems both are below average in the other facet. Would pairing these opposing strengths make sense and help one another's game?
We're not going to have someone who's above average in both facets or a dominant olineman, so could this be a beneficial pairing? Plus Fluker may have help in pass blocking from the TE in this case.
Is our left tackle.. And will be our left tackle for the next 10+ years! Going on record. He will improve vastly like alot of 22 year old, top 10 picks do.
your mouth to gods ears...we will know at 23. if they go OT, they are shaky on whether or not he is what you say. personally i think signing clady to a 1 yr deal may be worth it so we can be a little more diverse in our first rounder options
Move 55 and the walkie-talkie-gate pick to move up in a 'Landon Collins type' trade to get a OL that falls into the 2nd round. Use the first rounder on BPA as always.
Oline could look like Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Lamp-Fluker.
I'm just going off of what my friends have said...they are both core Charger fans...
He is a better Guard than Tackle...
How they came to that conclusion I'm not sure...I have watched more Charger games than I care to admit...Fluker never jumped off the screen for me...but I never really watched that close
I agree with you on the draft needs. Just don't see a oline in the first Rd. Should be able to pickup a good g in the draft. Think a 3 tech DT, recieving TE are top priority? Also needed are a big RB and another edge rusher.
I'm just going off of what my friends have said...they are both core Charger fans...
He is a better Guard than Tackle...
How they came to that conclusion I'm not sure...I have watched more Charger games than I care to admit...Fluker never jumped off the screen for me...but I never really watched that close
mmm, dunno thought i read somewhere that his better years were at OT
The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks. Ramczyk Scout Review - ( New Window )
I've seen the clip. But thanks for reminding me, honestly.
I would rather hire the Wisconsin OL coach than draft Ran at 23. Not because he's a bad player or not a pro. But because I think there will be higher value there at the time of the pick.
Technically, he flashes really well. His dig step and target is really good. He sets well and establishes. On 1o1 drive he can finish based on good hips and hand placement. Without knowing his exact measurables he looks solid. But then I consider his competition and the offensive scheme that UW runs. I don't see an outstanding body of work when it comes to his PP - something that will be vital for any Giants OL.
From limited viewing, his bucket is short, probably by design, but an issue against an edge rusher with speed in terms of depth. But in college, his foot speed and hand work made up for it, it seems. He's stiff in PP and the bend/engage movement isn't particularly violent or outright effective. His anchoring isn't great at times and that will cause him to lose leverage against stout DEs in the pros.
Is he a really good prospect? Absolutely. But at 23,and within the Giants offensive construct, I'm not sold at all.
the Giants have different options they can take now. Fluker did fair better at RT in his first year. It's possible for Rookie-Pugh-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker? Or Fluker at RG and Flowers RT? Heck maybe even Pugh-Flowers-Richburg-Rookie-Fluker? All depends really how the Draft pans out..
What if he performs much better than he has. Does the CBA
The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks. Ramczyk Scout Review - ( New Window )
I've seen the clip. But thanks for reminding me, honestly.
I would rather hire the Wisconsin OL coach than draft Ran at 23. Not because he's a bad player or not a pro. But because I think there will be higher value there at the time of the pick.
Technically, he flashes really well. His dig step and target is really good. He sets well and establishes. On 1o1 drive he can finish based on good hips and hand placement. Without knowing his exact measurables he looks solid. But then I consider his competition and the offensive scheme that UW runs. I don't see an outstanding body of work when it comes to his PP - something that will be vital for any Giants OL.
From limited viewing, his bucket is short, probably by design, but an issue against an edge rusher with speed in terms of depth. But in college, his foot speed and hand work made up for it, it seems. He's stiff in PP and the bend/engage movement isn't particularly violent or outright effective. His anchoring isn't great at times and that will cause him to lose leverage against stout DEs in the pros.
Is he a really good prospect? Absolutely. But at 23,and within the Giants offensive construct, I'm not sold at all.
I'm just going off of what my friends have said...they are both core Charger fans...
He is a better Guard than Tackle...
How they came to that conclusion I'm not sure...I have watched more Charger games than I care to admit...Fluker never jumped off the screen for me...but I never really watched that close
Well, they'd probably know, but his best season was his rookie year at tackle. He made the all rookie team. He flopped the second year, and they moved him to guard. I guess in theory he could play both, but guards usually need to have better feet than RTs
It would be so amazing to have book ends at this point
Tremendously useful signing -- and maybe even better than that. San Diego was not the right place for a guy like this to play. Wanted him years ago in the draft. I am overwhelmingly pleased that, at long last, he's a Giant. Let's hope he's the OL asset he has every reason to be here and that we have every reason to expect.
With two aggressive behemoths like Fluker and Flowers we need to run the ball over them more. Especially early in games to establish an aggressive posture and beat up their opponents. These two guys aren't prototype tackles but if you let them play to their strengths they can succeed.
If we try to drop back and throw the ball before setting a tone they'll be much less effective.
...they need to. These guys are a liability in pass protection. Gotta play to their strengths. Especially early in games. Concussed opponents don't pass rush well.
Huh? Just because I said I wanted to post an image of what someone else posted doesn't show my opinion on the situation. And, I never said I was against this. I don't like Fluker's game. However, for 1 year at 3 million it is hard to be against this move.
Huh? Just because I said I wanted to post an image of what someone else posted doesn't show my opinion on the situation. And, I never said I was against this. I don't like Fluker's game. However, for 1 year at 3 million it is hard to be against this move.
Maybe I was wrong...my bad
Yeah, I wasn't the one that wanted to fondle a horse.
Nobody could say that, really. It's just changing out one part for another. Jerry was an average pass blocker and couldn't run-block worth a damn. Fluker is a better run blocker than he is a pass blocker.
In a way, I think it's a better fit because you now at least see the start of an identity with this line. Running the football fits the skill sets at LT, LG, C, and Fluker.
How much they can hold up in pass pro will be key.
And you wrote about it clearly....well thought out
Am I that wrong?
That is correct. I didn't like him during the draft process and nothing he has done in the NFL has changed that. But, like I said, for 1 year and 3 mil it is hard to be against this. I just hope they bring in more talent/competition. And, I will hope that the Giants can turn these guys around. I just think move moves are coming and this isn't the end of the road.
And you wrote about it clearly....well thought out
Am I that wrong?
That is correct. I didn't like him during the draft process and nothing he has done in the NFL has changed that. But, like I said, for 1 year and 3 mil it is hard to be against this. I just hope they bring in more talent/competition. And, I will hope that the Giants can turn these guys around. I just think move moves are coming and this isn't the end of the road.
The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks. Ramczyk Scout Review - ( New Window )
I've seen the clip. But thanks for reminding me, honestly.
I would rather hire the Wisconsin OL coach than draft Ran at 23. Not because he's a bad player or not a pro. But because I think there will be higher value there at the time of the pick.
Technically, he flashes really well. His dig step and target is really good. He sets well and establishes. On 1o1 drive he can finish based on good hips and hand placement. Without knowing his exact measurables he looks solid. But then I consider his competition and the offensive scheme that UW runs. I don't see an outstanding body of work when it comes to his PP - something that will be vital for any Giants OL.
From limited viewing, his bucket is short, probably by design, but an issue against an edge rusher with speed in terms of depth. But in college, his foot speed and hand work made up for it, it seems. He's stiff in PP and the bend/engage movement isn't particularly violent or outright effective. His anchoring isn't great at times and that will cause him to lose leverage against stout DEs in the pros.
Is he a really good prospect? Absolutely. But at 23,and within the Giants offensive construct, I'm not sold at all.
Ramcyk is better technically than Flowers right now.
Flowers may have more upside but he plays like a guy converted to LT from some other sport. Ramcyk may or may not be able to handle the top end DE's but he's polished enough to hold his own at LT.
As far as Fluker goes, 1 year 3 mil is a steal for a guy with his experience. He may not pan out but the Giants could do a lot worse in this market.
Get Hankins back and this is an A+ off-season under the circumstances.
That Pugh competes to play LT? Flowers to RT and Fluker to RG? Draft a LG?
If Pugh was the answer at LT they wouldn't have drafted Flowers.
Pugh doesn't have to be the answer at LT to potentially be the best LT they have on the roster. I'm not necessarily endorsing Pugh for LT, but we're comparing against current Flowers, not draft-prospect Flowers.
So have Ellison lined up tighter to the line with Marshall on the same side and they should finally have some successful runs to the outside (I would hope). Move Ellison out a little farther from the line and you have nice blocking for a screen pass. We know that an improved run/short passing game helps slow down a pass rush.
Admittedly I'm not much of an Xs and Os guy though. Still seems legit to me.
dorian johnson in the 2nd to play rg. then a developmental LT like garcia or davenport. Let Flowers have one more swing at LT, move him to the right side and let fluker go if he fails.
if the intent was for him to play guard. It seems obvious that he was more comfortable at tackle in San Diego.
He had a meeting scheduled with the Pats. He signed instead. The deal he signed is really contingent going forward on performance. Seems like he and his agent liked what they heard, both financially and with regard to the playing opportunity.
at RT. This is a good signing for the money by Reese.The draft should yield 2 OL( OG and OT) in the first 4 rounds. I hope the Giants can draft either Howard or Riddick in the first round. A CB and RB from a talented group would also be welcome additions.
I still have faint hope that Hankins can be resigned if we can get JPP signed to a long term contract early next week.It seems that Hankins wants to remain a Giant.
we traded Newhouse for Fluker. Is that an upgrade? Let's hope so. Most people here are all gaga over the signing. Can't say I know much about him, but what I've seen here in the last few days is, he played decently at RT his first year not so much his second. Then he was moved to Guard where he really wasn't effective.
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
we traded Newhouse for Fluker. Is that an upgrade? Let's hope so. Most people here are all gaga over the signing. Can't say I know much about him, but what I've seen here in the last few days is, he played decently at RT his first year not so much his second. Then he was moved to Guard where he really wasn't effective.
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
Looks like Solari has his work cut out.
So, I guess the decision seems to be he will be a RT instead of a RG. So, the question we need to ask is Fluker an upgrade over Newhouse?
I guess this kid was better as a tackle and stunk as a guard, or so I read. But, correct me if I'm wrong, LT was the biggest problem last year and we still have Flowers out there trying to protect Eli. I guess if our new TE is only going to be a blocker, so maybe the thinking is we will mostly have two guys blocking the right defensive end, so maybe that works out. If this is the thinking, it sounds better.
Easily done with Vereen and or Thomas. I believe JR has that $6m of cap space up his sleeve just in case JPP doesn't sign long term for Hankins. Time will tell.
it seems predicated on Big Mac having the authority to bench either this new kid, of Flowers, or anyone on the line, which seems to a fan in question as of last season.
predicated on coach being able to move these players around within the line, also debatable, and hopefully in now way precludes drafting OL early and often.
in addition, lets please stop, some posters here, assuming a skills hierarchy that enables a marginal OT to be a great OG. That's such nonsense thinking. If an OT lacks the balance and low power and feet to play outside, what makes you think he can get low enough to stop a big nifty DT or move quickly enough to nail a stunting inside DE, or etc.?
given that we were not going to sign an expensive LT, i think we got a good value with a high ceiling. it's only 1 year, so a good risk, and he plays the right side which is were we need it. this is the guy i wanted them to sign.
If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
Learn to not feel great about it, we were never getting a top Tackle or Guard.
As for Fluker he's low risk high reward, what more can you ask when spending what we did?
given that we were not going to sign an expensive LT, i think we got a good value with a high ceiling. it's only 1 year, so a good risk, and he plays the right side which is were we need it. this is the guy i wanted them to sign.
Not sure if we got high ceiling. He's had what 4 years to prove his worth. If the Chargers didn't want to extend him, I don't know.
I do agree though that it's minimal risk at 3M. Let's hope he's an upgrade over Newhouse or Jerry if they want him to play guard
thy are a poorly ran and poorly coached team. Players sometimes need new scenery. If the Pats signed him many would be talking about a steal at $3 million.
thy are a poorly ran and poorly coached team. Players sometimes need new scenery. If the Pats signed him many would be talking about a steal at $3 million.
Why does Resse seem to be attracted to under achieving offensive linemen ?
Newhouse, Jerry, Fluker and even Flowers was considered an underachiever in College.
All these players seem to have a high ceiling and a low floor.
This miss potential is high and it seems the Giants have had their fair share of misses.
But everyone is try to grade these moves and project how well they will play, it's pointless.
Of course we are doing that. It's the offseason, that is what we do.
I'm glad to read a balance here regarding this move. Yes, for 3 million, it is a low risk move. But on the other hand, this move may not prove to be any better than what we had - Newhouse or Jerry, depending on where he plays. We shall see, won't we?
Except for being able to discount a move to C or the Left Side
Predictions on position for Fluker are total bull shit except that the universe is only 2.
Now that he is a team member, rather than one of hundreds of possible speculations, the coaching staff can now spend the time on film and past scouting reports to identify what they believe is his best NFL starting position.
thy are a poorly ran and poorly coached team. Players sometimes need new scenery. If the Pats signed him many would be talking about a steal at $3 million.
he sucks and this is Jerry and GM jr hoping to find a Rembrandt at the flea market. The Chargers gave up on him at tackle, tried to find some use for him at guard and finally threw in the towel. Potential suitors had plenty of film on him and he was willing to sign a 1 year deal for 3 million. What does that tell you about the other offers he had on the table?
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
I imagine any conversation the Giants had included weight management. Was always a big concern with Robbins, Shawn Andrews, Shaun Rogers, now Hankins - Giants want these big guys who play "high" with their weight down. Perhaps the Chargers aren't so careful in these matters.
As a bonus, he's played in a WCO all 4 years in the NFL so if nothing else, he's a scheme-fit
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Look Newhouse was mediocre and so is Jerry - this is a good deal
Newhouse also made $3M. He left so what do we do? We get a player who was drafted a lot higher, and could potentially be a lot better, for the same price. At every look this deal is a good thing for the Giants. At worst he will be the same and we have lost nothing, even the money is the same.
I've never been a Jerry fan, but I'd rather him at RG than Fluker.
Whatever upgrade Fluker brings in run blocking is completely nuked by how terrible he is in pass pro -- and with how terrible the tackles are likely going to be in pass pro for this team again, you can't take away the pocket even more for a happy footed QB and expect good things to come.
Fluker is fine as a back-up signing (LT/RT/G) and that's hopefully he were he ends up.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
I'm actually pretty happy with our offseason thus far. But the fact remains that if you don't praise the FO up and down and show even just one iota of doubt, a certain few will jump you for showing any doubt whatsoever. At this point, I am convinced they work for the franchise. I don't want to think the other alternative, which would be kind of sad and creepy. I like to think the best of my fellow Giants fans..
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Boo hoo fucking hoo.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Boo hoo fucking hoo.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
Blah, blah, blah. Waaah, waaah, waaah. GM Jr. and all that.
Just more pissing and moaning from the King of Negative Spin.
Yes, he isn't one of the top end guys, and has struggled so far....but look at what a guy like Joekel (sp?) from JAX got - another high draft pick who hasn't performed well. We couldn't afford any of the 'Sure Thing' OL this year (of which there weren't many - even the best, Whitworth, had age as a ? against him). We went and found a guy we could afford who has some upside. At $3M, we weren't getting a proven vet coming off a good year. This improves the overall talent and depth on the OL, and should improve the play (if the coaches use prep them well and scheme well). Some people here would only be happy if we signed like Zeitler and Okung, and then likely would have complained about the price keeping us from signing JPP/Hankins etc
any press comments about who will play where on the OL
How can those comments be made when the coaches have not even worked with the new kid yet?
nor worked with any draft picks yet?
I would -highly- question any situation where the OL coach and the head coach cannot dictate who plays at which spot and when on the OL or anywhere else.
I'd still like to see Jerry back...though him being listed as RG makes me wonder. I don't think Jerry would cost much, brings good experience in our system, and hopefully would be depth to a draft pick/Fluker/another FA?
A little short, but still closer to 6'5" than 6'4".
Freakish long arms at over 36".
40 time under 5.30 which means he is not as heavy-footed as you worry about a guy this massive.
I believe that you attempt RT as it is a harder position to fill adequately. I would not worry about Bobby Hart. He will land where he will. His ceiling is marginal and an organization should always be looking to move him out of a starting spot.
Move 55 and the walkie-talkie-gate pick to move up in a 'Landon Collins type' trade to get a OL that falls into the 2nd round. Use the first rounder on BPA as always.
Oline could look like Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Lamp-Fluker.
That's what I think the Giants do and would love it. I want a play maker in round 1 and a grunt in round 2.
Why is he a RG? He was a better player at RT. Doesn't have fast feet. Do you know anything about offensive line play?
You had better be asking Sy that question. When it comes to talent evaluation, I defer to him. Oh and for further evidence, Raanan wrote/tweeted he was signed for RG. You're welcome.
Can he?
Even if you look at it Fluker vs Newhouse, that has to be an upgrade, right?
He's like a potential 3rd rounder?
You have me pissing my pants today between this and the dumpster post.
I was just going to post that
...or Flunker?
He's like a potential 3rd rounder?
Would much prefer Will Holden.
Dwarfs most he goes against...
Guess we shall see
Hankins signs elsewhere puts Giants in play for a decent compensatory pick next year assuming no more UFA signings.
He got more than Chance Warmack got
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Confirmed #Giants signed OT DJ Fluker to a one-year contract, as @MikeGarafolo said.
It's a $3M deal.
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Confirmed #Giants signed OT DJ Fluker to a one-year contract, as @MikeGarafolo said.
It's a $3M deal.
I don't see how Reese had a choice?
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Is that a realistic option?
He's like a potential 3rd rounder?
Would much prefer Will Holden.
I'll research him more. Thanks man
Yes. But hopefully ag the very least the Giants will be able to run the ball, it's been far too long since they were able to do that.
Confirmed #Giants signed OT DJ Fluker to a one-year contract, as @MikeGarafolo said.
It's a $3M deal.
Twice what Warmack got. Tells me he'll probably be at RT unless they draft Ramcyzk or Bolles. Also leaves them 1-2 million over the cap.
I appreciate your logic but hoping for a starting rookie LT at #23 in a draft class that seems to be week on the OL seems dicey
Deal is worth $3 mil. Essentially a "prove it" type deal-GM
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Confirmed #Giants signed OT DJ Fluker to a one-year contract, as @MikeGarafolo said.
It's a $3M deal.
Twice what Warmack got. Tells me he'll probably be at RT unless they draft Ramcyzk or Bolles. Also leaves them 1-2 million over the cap.
If we do that our OL will contain 4 First Round draft picks and 1 2nd rounder.
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So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
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okay...
Ramcyzk-Pugh-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker
So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
Thoughts on the signing?
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okay...
Ramcyzk-Pugh-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker
So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
apologies....didnt expand on my thinking. draft a LT at 23 and allow the pieces to fall as they may. this is how i have them falling. guys get drafted all the time and start right away. ramcyzk is sound in terms of technique. he should transition well to the NFL. flowers isnt a OT imo, kick him inside, where his technique flaws could be hidden some. and fluker was better as a RT than a RG. but to my original point him and flowers will be on right side...who plays OG and OT is yet to be seen. this was my prediction for how it falls. btw plug ANY of the top 4 rookies in at LT. sorry but they cannot be worse than flowers right now
It is way more likely that Fluker would be the RG with Flowers at RT. I still firmly believe that Flowers will be the opening day LT regardless of what they do in the draft. The Giants are very persistent on giving their 1st round picks every opportunity to succeed. Let's hope that Flowers has a great off-season and he works tirelessly on his technique and has a breakout season.
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Over Ramczyk. I think he's much better suited to play LT than Ramczyk is. Have an OL of Bolles-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Flowers. Could be a very good OL
It is way more likely that Fluker would be the RG with Flowers at RT. I still firmly believe that Flowers will be the opening day LT regardless of what they do in the draft. The Giants are very persistent on giving their 1st round picks every opportunity to succeed. Let's hope that Flowers has a great off-season and he works tirelessly on his technique and has a breakout season.
i like bolles, just went ramczyk as he is more sound technique wise, well at least thats my opinion. but again, feel the pieces will fall with the rook at LT....
I watched many Charger games since I lived in LA at the time...but can't say I can formulate my own conclusions.
Have a few texts out to core Charger fans for feed back...
After Newhouse signed with The Raiders...Reese needed to play a hand...
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okay...
Ramcyzk-Pugh-Richburg-Flowers-Fluker
So now Flowers is going to reset his career at a position he's never played in his life. And you're handing the keys at LT to a kid with a hip injury who's never played a down in the nfl.
Thank the Big Electron you're not the GM. Holy shit.
Thoughts on the signing?
It's a good signing. Do you kick him inside from the jump? I'm not sure they can do that.
But it's a one year prove it deal which I love. I just hope he's not shot. I liked him out of college and he disappointed. But that might be partly due to where he played.
Regardless, anything the team can do to address the OL is huge. I think they've had an excellent off-season so far.
This third year will be Flowers best. He's going to surprise a lot of people. Myself included. This is his year.
Plug him in at LT and open your options just a little more at 23....
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thoughts?
Still need a bit more, but this is a good first step. Was starting to get extremely nervous.
Yes. I also said don't let him leave the building since he probable next visit was with NE Pats.
Glad Reese listened to me lol
- Get a big WR to pair opposite Odell/Shepard
- Get a blocking TE / FB type
- Get a TE who can stretch the defense and make plays
- Sign an offensive lineman (at least one)
- Get a RB
Well, he was able to bring in Marshall, Ellison, and now Fluker. There are plenty of RBs available on the market and there isn't exactly a strong clamoring for their services. If they can find a way to get the JPP extension done, and bring back Hankins, and land a veteran RB to work with Perkins, they've done all you can really ask in free agency with what they had cap wise.
That opens up the draft to find a good TE (there are plenty of options) and also be in position to draft at DE or OL.
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- Get a big WR to pair opposite Odell/Shepard
- Get a blocking TE / FB type
- Get a TE who can stretch the defense and make plays
- Sign an offensive lineman (at least one)
- Get a RB
Well said
Well, he was able to bring in Marshall, Ellison, and now Fluker. There are plenty of RBs available on the market and there isn't exactly a strong clamoring for their services. If they can find a way to get the JPP extension done, and bring back Hankins, and land a veteran RB to work with Perkins, they've done all you can really ask in free agency with what they had cap wise.
That opens up the draft to find a good TE (there are plenty of options) and also be in position to draft at DE or OL.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
Again. As of now, Flowers ain't going anywhere. Nor should he. He's going to get this season to prove it.
And like I said, I love players in prove it situations.
Fluke is better than what he showed in SD. I think he'll have a nice year here. He's not a savior or an elite player but it's a good addition for us.
As I said in another thread, I'd like to see them put Fluker on a diet and get his weight down to 320 lbs. But what I do know, if it was as simple as that I'm sure the Chargers would've demanded it of him.
Sen'Derrick Marks knees are shot.
I say no. Coming off his best season. And I feel like the Giants would've tried Pugh at LT by now if they were.
So has Flowers.
Big guy...can hang with most DEs...better at run blocking...a huge guy
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Marks. I'm resigned to the fact that Johnathan Hankins will not be back
Sen'Derrick Marks knees are shot.
Is that confirmed?
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The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks.
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how do you know? his better years were at OT
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Marks. I'm resigned to the fact that Johnathan Hankins will not be back
Sen'Derrick Marks knees are shot.
Is that confirmed?
Supposedly he is rehabbed, but he suffered a nasty knee injury the prior season. Unfortunately, due to my geographical location, I get Jax games. He looks to be a shell of what he was.
Plus he's a vet who will bring experience to what is a pretty green OL in both age and play. It's a really positive step by the FO.
what's not to like?
Plus you have to take the best player available in rounds 1 and 2, no bullshit about that either, we can ill afford misses in the first two rounds. We still need a tight end, running back, defensive end, linebacker, always can add a defensive back, and 1 or 2 offensive linemen. Reese has done things in free agency these last two seasons so he can add the best players available and also team leaders, and it has worked.
We're not going to have someone who's above average in both facets or a dominant olineman, so could this be a beneficial pairing? Plus Fluker may have help in pass blocking from the TE in this case.
your mouth to gods ears...we will know at 23. if they go OT, they are shaky on whether or not he is what you say. personally i think signing clady to a 1 yr deal may be worth it so we can be a little more diverse in our first rounder options
Exactly. I hope so. He's played some T too in the past.
Oline could look like Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Lamp-Fluker.
He is a better Guard than Tackle...
How they came to that conclusion I'm not sure...I have watched more Charger games than I care to admit...Fluker never jumped off the screen for me...but I never really watched that close
He is a better Guard than Tackle...
How they came to that conclusion I'm not sure...I have watched more Charger games than I care to admit...Fluker never jumped off the screen for me...but I never really watched that close
mmm, dunno thought i read somewhere that his better years were at OT
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The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks. Ramczyk Scout Review - ( New Window )
I've seen the clip. But thanks for reminding me, honestly.
I would rather hire the Wisconsin OL coach than draft Ran at 23. Not because he's a bad player or not a pro. But because I think there will be higher value there at the time of the pick.
Technically, he flashes really well. His dig step and target is really good. He sets well and establishes. On 1o1 drive he can finish based on good hips and hand placement. Without knowing his exact measurables he looks solid. But then I consider his competition and the offensive scheme that UW runs. I don't see an outstanding body of work when it comes to his PP - something that will be vital for any Giants OL.
From limited viewing, his bucket is short, probably by design, but an issue against an edge rusher with speed in terms of depth. But in college, his foot speed and hand work made up for it, it seems. He's stiff in PP and the bend/engage movement isn't particularly violent or outright effective. His anchoring isn't great at times and that will cause him to lose leverage against stout DEs in the pros.
Is he a really good prospect? Absolutely. But at 23,and within the Giants offensive construct, I'm not sold at all.
Just passing it along.
Fluker is a big old body with a huge wingspan...
It's one year...at Tackle or Guard...fingers crossed
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The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks. Ramczyk Scout Review - ( New Window )
I've seen the clip. But thanks for reminding me, honestly.
I would rather hire the Wisconsin OL coach than draft Ran at 23. Not because he's a bad player or not a pro. But because I think there will be higher value there at the time of the pick.
Technically, he flashes really well. His dig step and target is really good. He sets well and establishes. On 1o1 drive he can finish based on good hips and hand placement. Without knowing his exact measurables he looks solid. But then I consider his competition and the offensive scheme that UW runs. I don't see an outstanding body of work when it comes to his PP - something that will be vital for any Giants OL.
From limited viewing, his bucket is short, probably by design, but an issue against an edge rusher with speed in terms of depth. But in college, his foot speed and hand work made up for it, it seems. He's stiff in PP and the bend/engage movement isn't particularly violent or outright effective. His anchoring isn't great at times and that will cause him to lose leverage against stout DEs in the pros.
Is he a really good prospect? Absolutely. But at 23,and within the Giants offensive construct, I'm not sold at all.
Thank you for your insight.
He is a better Guard than Tackle...
How they came to that conclusion I'm not sure...I have watched more Charger games than I care to admit...Fluker never jumped off the screen for me...but I never really watched that close
Well, they'd probably know, but his best season was his rookie year at tackle. He made the all rookie team. He flopped the second year, and they moved him to guard. I guess in theory he could play both, but guards usually need to have better feet than RTs
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I will jerk a horse off if that happens.
If we try to drop back and throw the ball before setting a tone they'll be much less effective.
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could you imagine if fluker and flowers turn it around and we end up with two stud OTs lol
I will jerk a horse off if that happens.
I so want to post that Tom Green image but feel it is too much.
Tell us how you are feeling right now.....lol
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could you imagine if fluker and flowers turn it around and we end up with two stud OTs lol
I will jerk a horse off if that happens.
Livestream on BBI? Lol
If Pugh was the answer at LT they wouldn't have drafted Flowers.
That would be a nasty OLine...I'm game as long as they can keep Eli clean
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could you imagine if fluker and flowers turn it around and we end up with two stud OTs lol
I will jerk a horse off if that happens.
RAZE would suffice...
draft an offensive lineman and hart becomes the 6th guy swing lineman
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Young, big OL.
That would be a nasty OLine...I'm game as long as they can keep Eli clean
Guy like Lamp at #23 or Dion Dawkins later makes sense. Still think they go playmaker at #23 (TE/DE)
Tell us how you are feeling right now.....lol
Huh? Just because I said I wanted to post an image of what someone else posted doesn't show my opinion on the situation. And, I never said I was against this. I don't like Fluker's game. However, for 1 year at 3 million it is hard to be against this move.
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You have been against this from day one...
Tell us how you are feeling right now.....lol
Huh? Just because I said I wanted to post an image of what someone else posted doesn't show my opinion on the situation. And, I never said I was against this. I don't like Fluker's game. However, for 1 year at 3 million it is hard to be against this move.
Maybe I was wrong...my bad
Nobody could say that, really. It's just changing out one part for another. Jerry was an average pass blocker and couldn't run-block worth a damn. Fluker is a better run blocker than he is a pass blocker.
In a way, I think it's a better fit because you now at least see the start of an identity with this line. Running the football fits the skill sets at LT, LG, C, and Fluker.
How much they can hold up in pass pro will be key.
Am I that wrong?
Am I that wrong?
That is correct. I didn't like him during the draft process and nothing he has done in the NFL has changed that. But, like I said, for 1 year and 3 mil it is hard to be against this. I just hope they bring in more talent/competition. And, I will hope that the Giants can turn these guys around. I just think move moves are coming and this isn't the end of the road.
That's the fun part
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And you wrote about it clearly....well thought out
Am I that wrong?
That is correct. I didn't like him during the draft process and nothing he has done in the NFL has changed that. But, like I said, for 1 year and 3 mil it is hard to be against this. I just hope they bring in more talent/competition. And, I will hope that the Giants can turn these guys around. I just think move moves are coming and this isn't the end of the road.
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The job now is to bring in competition for him. Its probably not Fluker, so there could be another move coming.
Or they go OL at 23. I'm not convinced by a damn sight that Ram from Wisconsin is worthy. He would be a downgrade from Flowers from the jump.
ehhh matter of opinion
B in ALB - Would you mind taking a look at the thread linked and view the scouting clip? I'm curious since you seem entrenched in your view of Ram how that differs from the scout. Thanks. Ramczyk Scout Review - ( New Window )
I've seen the clip. But thanks for reminding me, honestly.
I would rather hire the Wisconsin OL coach than draft Ran at 23. Not because he's a bad player or not a pro. But because I think there will be higher value there at the time of the pick.
Technically, he flashes really well. His dig step and target is really good. He sets well and establishes. On 1o1 drive he can finish based on good hips and hand placement. Without knowing his exact measurables he looks solid. But then I consider his competition and the offensive scheme that UW runs. I don't see an outstanding body of work when it comes to his PP - something that will be vital for any Giants OL.
From limited viewing, his bucket is short, probably by design, but an issue against an edge rusher with speed in terms of depth. But in college, his foot speed and hand work made up for it, it seems. He's stiff in PP and the bend/engage movement isn't particularly violent or outright effective. His anchoring isn't great at times and that will cause him to lose leverage against stout DEs in the pros.
Is he a really good prospect? Absolutely. But at 23,and within the Giants offensive construct, I'm not sold at all.
Ramcyk is better technically than Flowers right now.
Flowers may have more upside but he plays like a guy converted to LT from some other sport. Ramcyk may or may not be able to handle the top end DE's but he's polished enough to hold his own at LT.
As far as Fluker goes, 1 year 3 mil is a steal for a guy with his experience. He may not pan out but the Giants could do a lot worse in this market.
Get Hankins back and this is an A+ off-season under the circumstances.
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Young, big OL.
That would be a nasty OLine...I'm game as long as they can keep Eli clean
Guy like Lamp at #23 or Dion Dawkins later makes sense. Still think they go playmaker at #23 (TE/DE)
That line would be 4 #1 picks and 1 #2 pick. Our coaches better be able to coach that up.
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That Pugh competes to play LT? Flowers to RT and Fluker to RG? Draft a LG?
If Pugh was the answer at LT they wouldn't have drafted Flowers.
Pugh doesn't have to be the answer at LT to potentially be the best LT they have on the roster. I'm not necessarily endorsing Pugh for LT, but we're comparing against current Flowers, not draft-prospect Flowers.
2. Some guy here will jerk off a horse if fluker and flowers improve
3. Fluker is awesome
He's not. JJ played OK last year.
Admittedly I'm not much of an Xs and Os guy though. Still seems legit to me.
He had a meeting scheduled with the Pats. He signed instead. The deal he signed is really contingent going forward on performance. Seems like he and his agent liked what they heard, both financially and with regard to the playing opportunity.
IMHO
Had same question
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That Pugh competes to play LT? Flowers to RT and Fluker to RG? Draft a LG?
If Pugh was the answer at LT they wouldn't have drafted Flowers.
Of course. But the problem is that Flowers may not be the answer either. Or worse than Pugh.
I still have faint hope that Hankins can be resigned if we can get JPP signed to a long term contract early next week.It seems that Hankins wants to remain a Giant.
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
Looks like Solari has his work cut out.
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Young, big OL.
That would be a nasty OLine...I'm game as long as they can keep Eli clean
Guy like Lamp at #23 or Dion Dawkins later makes sense. Still think they go playmaker at #23 (TE/DE)
Add CB to that mix.
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how is he an upgrade over Jerry?
He's not. JJ played OK last year.
Well, if he is not an upgrade over Jerry, why is everyone so excited about this signing?
We have 2 (Fluker and Flowers) Tackles that are Big but don't have great feet.
Looks like Solari has his work cut out.
So, I guess the decision seems to be he will be a RT instead of a RG. So, the question we need to ask is Fluker an upgrade over Newhouse?
I guess this kid was better as a tackle and stunk as a guard, or so I read. But, correct me if I'm wrong, LT was the biggest problem last year and we still have Flowers out there trying to protect Eli. I guess if our new TE is only going to be a blocker, so maybe the thinking is we will mostly have two guys blocking the right defensive end, so maybe that works out. If this is the thinking, it sounds better.
predicated on coach being able to move these players around within the line, also debatable, and hopefully in now way precludes drafting OL early and often.
in addition, lets please stop, some posters here, assuming a skills hierarchy that enables a marginal OT to be a great OG. That's such nonsense thinking. If an OT lacks the balance and low power and feet to play outside, what makes you think he can get low enough to stop a big nifty DT or move quickly enough to nail a stunting inside DE, or etc.?
If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
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If this is true, then again we have to ask ourselves- will Fluker be better than Jerry? And who will our RT be? Back to Pugh? I thought I read Fluker stunk as a guard and played better as a tackle. Hmmm
I would like to feel great about these OL moves, but I'm not convinced. I get it- Fluker was a top draft choice 5 years ago- but with very little to show for it. In fact, he was rated as a POOR guard.
Learn to not feel great about it, we were never getting a top Tackle or Guard.
As for Fluker he's low risk high reward, what more can you ask when spending what we did?
Not sure if we got high ceiling. He's had what 4 years to prove his worth. If the Chargers didn't want to extend him, I don't know.
I do agree though that it's minimal risk at 3M. Let's hope he's an upgrade over Newhouse or Jerry if they want him to play guard
Well, only if he plays well.
Newhouse, Jerry, Fluker and even Flowers was considered an underachiever in College.
All these players seem to have a high ceiling and a low floor.
This miss potential is high and it seems the Giants have had their fair share of misses.
Of course we are doing that. It's the offseason, that is what we do.
I'm glad to read a balance here regarding this move. Yes, for 3 million, it is a low risk move. But on the other hand, this move may not prove to be any better than what we had - Newhouse or Jerry, depending on where he plays. We shall see, won't we?
Now that he is a team member, rather than one of hundreds of possible speculations, the coaching staff can now spend the time on film and past scouting reports to identify what they believe is his best NFL starting position.
I give him until game 4 before BBI hates him too
this ^
As a bonus, he's played in a WCO all 4 years in the NFL so if nothing else, he's a scheme-fit
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Fluker is fine as a back-up signing (LT/RT/G) and that's hopefully he were he ends up.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
Oh come on. This topic has been beaten to death. Exactly which OT would you have signed for the money that they got? How much of an upgrade would any of them be? Every single one of them are question marks and not obvious improvements, yet you and others wanted to sign someone just to sign them, whether the Giants have the cap space or not. I've even read multiple times on here that these other guys are obviously worth the money since other teams showed interest while Reese was snoozing. It's the BBI way. Every signing other teams make are brilliant while the Giants can't get out of their own way. There isn't a person on this board that doesn't feel the OL needs help. Finding them just isn't that simple.
Word.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
That's not a totally fair assessment. I think the majority of guys were looking for an UPGRADE at the TACKLE position, either one. Did we get it in Fluker? The jury is still out.
If Raanan is right and he is to play guard, then it looks like we have improved our run blocking while not improving our pass blocking.
In addition, we still have not addressed our need for quality tackles. Of course, I'm sure all of BBI is hoping Flowers improves big time and Hart or first round draft choice are more than adequate.
I see no reason to criticize your BBI brethren here for having doubts or showing disappointment. Their doubts might become reality. In the meantime, we can still hope our coach can coach them up, whoever them is.
I'm actually pretty happy with our offseason thus far. But the fact remains that if you don't praise the FO up and down and show even just one iota of doubt, a certain few will jump you for showing any doubt whatsoever. At this point, I am convinced they work for the franchise. I don't want to think the other alternative, which would be kind of sad and creepy. I like to think the best of my fellow Giants fans..
That also drew a 15 yard penalty.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
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guys we get it. Fluker hasn't lived up to expectations and wasn't resigned by the Chargers and essentially wasn't effective for them. But guess what he's on the Giants now so...? Keep bitching about it I guess? Jesus.
It's incredible, right? As all the other awful OL in FA were signing ludicrous offers with other teams, BBI was melting down because Reese was asleep at the wheel. Yet when they sign one, and to a reasonable deal no less, Reese is still asleep at the wheel and this guy sucks. Damned if you do, damned if you don't around here.
Boo hoo fucking hoo.
"He's on the Giants" so go Blue! Right? He's a budding star, a diamond in the rough, a victim of the hapless Chargers. What a successful FA period getting a big receiver, a tight end who just "lacked opportunities" and a former #1 pick. Yay!!
Please. Money was tight having shot their wad last season, they managed to fuck up with their premier defensive end so they had to tag him, and the boys had to go looking in the flea market. They came out, incredibly, older and slower than they were going in and Eli may want to call Philip and find out how he managed to survive Fluker's serial attempts to kill him. But go Big Blue!
Complain? No. Reality check? Yes, many of you need it.
Blah, blah, blah. Waaah, waaah, waaah. GM Jr. and all that.
Just more pissing and moaning from the King of Negative Spin.
Nothing new to see here...move along.
How can those comments be made when the coaches have not even worked with the new kid yet?
nor worked with any draft picks yet?
I would -highly- question any situation where the OL coach and the head coach cannot dictate who plays at which spot and when on the OL or anywhere else.
Freakish long arms at over 36".
40 time under 5.30 which means he is not as heavy-footed as you worry about a guy this massive.
I believe that you attempt RT as it is a harder position to fill adequately. I would not worry about Bobby Hart. He will land where he will. His ceiling is marginal and an organization should always be looking to move him out of a starting spot.
That's how u see this? Fuck...
Dwarfs most he goes against...
Guess we shall see
Oline could look like Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Lamp-Fluker.
That's what I think the Giants do and would love it. I want a play maker in round 1 and a grunt in round 2.
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He's likely a RG
Why is he a RG? He was a better player at RT. Doesn't have fast feet. Do you know anything about offensive line play?
You had better be asking Sy that question. When it comes to talent evaluation, I defer to him. Oh and for further evidence, Raanan wrote/tweeted he was signed for RG. You're welcome.