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DJ Fluker signed to play RG per Jordan Raanan

Saos1n : 3/12/2017 8:57 am
According to sources
Tweet for Raanan  
Saos1n : 3/12/2017 8:59 am : link
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The plan is for D.J. Fluker to play guard, per source. So adding to the tackle mix still a necessity. #giants
Interesting  
Mark from Jersey : 3/12/2017 9:02 am : link
I was thinking RT. Most in the larger thread were thinking the same thing.
Its Hart's to lose at RT  
Canton : 3/12/2017 9:04 am : link
atm
Interesting  
XBRONX : 3/12/2017 9:04 am : link
He played well at RT his rookie year.He was not very good after that for one year at RT and two years at RG.
Far from etched in stone,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/12/2017 9:07 am : link
imo
RE: Interesting  
jeff57 : 3/12/2017 9:08 am : link
In comment 13389964 Mark from Jersey said:
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I was thinking RT. Most in the larger thread were thinking the same thing.


So was I. His one good year was at RT. Think this means that if they draft Ramcyzk or Bolles, Flowers will be moved to RT. Or they could draft Robinson or Lamp and try them at RT.
RE: RE: Interesting  
Big Blue '56 : 3/12/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13389972 jeff57 said:
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In comment 13389964 Mark from Jersey said:


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I was thinking RT. Most in the larger thread were thinking the same thing.



So was I. His one good year was at RT. Think this means that if they draft Ramcyzk or Bolles, Flowers will be moved to RT. Or they could draft Robinson or Lamp and try them at RT.


Or they think Hart may be the guy..
Flowers will be the LT in 2017.  
est1986 : 3/12/2017 9:17 am : link
Odds, are we don't draft a tackle better than Flowers at 23. And there is no vet out there that I want to see brought in, bunch of bums.

Flowers - Pugh - Richburg - Fluker - ?

Hitdog42 made some points about Pugh being out injured, Richburg playing hurt, and Flowers losing a little confidence which is not to crazy when you think he is only 22, Hopefully those three improve and Fluker proves he is a upgrade over Newhouse. He also gave some insight into the way the FO is thinking, mainly you don't over pay a FA guard now when you have to negotiate with your own guys in the coming years at the Guard and Center positions.

We still need 1 OL.. maybe we have him in Bobby Hart? Just draft BPA and hope for the best I say.
RE: RE: RE: Interesting  
jeff57 : 3/12/2017 9:34 am : link
In comment 13389980 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13389972 jeff57 said:


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In comment 13389964 Mark from Jersey said:


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I was thinking RT. Most in the larger thread were thinking the same thing.



So was I. His one good year was at RT. Think this means that if they draft Ramcyzk or Bolles, Flowers will be moved to RT. Or they could draft Robinson or Lamp and try them at RT.



Or they think Hart may be the guy..

Then I think they're engaging in wishful thinking.
Well, out run blocking has got to get better......  
Dry Lightning : 3/12/2017 9:41 am : link
Flowers, Hart, and Fluker are absolutely enormous. Always thought we needed a line like that. Need to wear people down. As always, the question is the pass blocking. Now you use a number one on another lineman. Whoever the best one is at 23, as long as he is in the row of number one quality players, you add him to the mix. We have no choice. Hopefully it is a tackle, but if it is an interior lineman, you make that pick. The reality is, you could make a good case that our best linemen (Pugh, Richburg) are just average, and the rest flat out stink. Those are arguments mind you, I actually believe Pugh stinks and Richburg has been mediocre to good. Just gotta keep adding talent and hoping for the best.
I saw a note somewhere  
Simms11 : 3/12/2017 9:46 am : link
that indicated he was average at RT and poor at RG?! Hopefully, he gives us more in the run blocking department however.
Dawkins in round 2 would be good value/need match up  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2017 9:46 am : link
Can play OG/RT.

I see Fluker as a RT myself.
I think they'd be comfortable with Hart  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/12/2017 9:50 am : link
at RT, but I don't think Hart's presence will stop them from drafting a tackle early if the opportunity presents itself.

On a side note, if they go with Hart and Flicker on the right there is presently no depth with Newhouse and Jerry gone.

I think Hart would be a fine backup at tackle, and possibly guard.
Agreed  
Torrag : 3/12/2017 9:54 am : link
Far from etched in stone,
Big Blue '56
imo
RE: Its Hart's to lose at RT  
Beer Man : 3/12/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13389966 Canton said:
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atm
Or Flowers, depending on how the draft goes (or possibly a trade)
Fluker and Hart on the right side  
section125 : 3/12/2017 10:10 am : link
would be some serious ass out there - closing in on 780 lbs of humanity......
Hart is not a starter  
Stratman : 3/12/2017 10:22 am : link
He gave up a lot of pressure. I thought Newsome played better and that says a lot. Giants must believe chances are good of getting an OT at 23.
If this is true then its likely 4 1st Rd picks and 1 2nd:  
PatersonPlank : 3/12/2017 10:33 am : link
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Robinson
or
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Lamp
or
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Ramzcyk
or
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Bolles

In any version its better than
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Newhouse/Hart

Although, again if I believe Fluker is a guard, then I'd still be ok with the #23 being our LT and Flowers RT. Thats really up to the coaches to decide.
Also remember the Giants like versatile guys, like Pugh  
PatersonPlank : 3/12/2017 10:34 am : link
So Fluker may start at RG but they know he can play T too. The coaching staff must have reviewed the tape and determined he was a better G than T.
I'm kind of surprised  
Reb8thVA : 3/12/2017 10:35 am : link
Since the draft is pretty heavy in quality guard prospects. I'm guessing they are betting on Hart at RT. Given that they only signed Fluker to a one year deal I am assuming they will still look to improve the OL through he draft.
Plank agreed  
area junc : 3/12/2017 10:42 am : link
All it takes is the Giants falling in love with 1 of these OLs. They may even love Moton or Dawkins in round 2 at RT. Lamp just "reaks" of a Giant but we don't need a G anymore so either he, or Pugh, would have to play T.

It would be a bummer passing on a Zack Martin-type OG just because we had Pugh and Fluker though. (Didn't we love Martin in that draft, too?)
While I agree  
louied7535 : 3/12/2017 10:49 am : link
That the o line needs to be improved let's not forget that before the 08 season a lot of those guys took time to get to that level. I know flowers was bad but he is still young and hopefully he improves. I'm sure all the experts didn't think the giants 08 season was on the horizon seeing as some of those guys were around in the early 2000s.
Both tackle positions  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2017 10:57 am : link
Will cause us the greatest concern again this year. If we can get steady play from these positions we have a great chance to excel on offense, considering the three WRs we now possess.

I still,hope we draft at least 3 OL guys this year.
RE: Hart is not a starter  
section125 : 3/12/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13390067 Stratman said:
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He gave up a lot of pressure. I thought Newsome played better and that says a lot. Giants must believe chances are good of getting an OT at 23.


Hart has trouble with speed rushers. Newhouse has trouble with all rushers. Neither was particularly good. Hart is 22/23 and Newhouse is 28/29. Chances are Newhouse will not improve. Hart improved dramatically year one into year two at a position the Giants didn't think he could play.

While I tend to agree Hart was rough in the 3 games against speed rushers, he was more than adequate in the others he played. Plus he got down field and when he locked onto a man, it was game over.

I think his feet prevent him from being a starting RT, but his power likely makes him a RG as the Giants intended. I wouldn't quite sell him short at either position.
Flowers also  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2017 11:16 am : link
Had trouble with speed rushers, so I guess we hope both our 22 year old tackles learn how to counter these type of defensive ends.
Several thoughts  
rich in DC : 3/12/2017 11:28 am : link
One- I believe that this is a sign that the Giants fully intend to go to a balanced run/pass offense this year. For three years, they have simply been unable to run the ball at all. That, in turn, has allowed defenses to simply attack the pocket without thought of contain or holding their position. As a result, te OL has even looked worse than it really was because there was no time.

Two- I think McAdoo gave a strong hint at the combine that the days of Eli or bust on offense are over with his criticisms. He knows that if the Giants are one-dimensional, they have to be perfect and Eli will constantly be ducking and dumping off throws. I think the game plan is to go to the line the majority of the time with a run call- but allow Eli to read the defense and if he sees a mismatch, he can audible to a pass play that will take advantage of the mismatch.

Three- remember that in his prime, Eli was a masterful user of the play action pass. His fakes to the RB were so good that it would freeze rush ends and LB for that critical second while they located the ball. However, because the run game has been non-existent for the past 3 years, the play action became ineffective. Being able to run the ball will buy Eli and his OL more time.

Four- if the Giants can run the ball effectively, teams can no longer just play an upfield attacking defense because it exposes the defense to long runs. It forces the ends to play contain and the LB to hold their ground rather than attack the pocket- and forces at least one S to focus on the run game. In turn, the Giants OL performance would improve- EVEN WITHOUT SUPERIOR BLOCKING- because the defense is not in an all-out attack mode on most downs. Thus, so long as it is not an obvious passing down, the OL gains an advantage of the defense having to respect the run game and playing contain- which means the OL have more time and do not have to block as long.

All of this is a long way of saying that I think Raanan is right- Fluker is going to be the RG- and I think that there is a good possibility that the Giants either get a guy who can play RT and be a road grader in the run game and adequate in pass-protect- or take a BIG chance and bring in someone like Clady to play LT and move Flowers to RT.

By doing so, it allows the Giants to use the draft to grab best players rather than going for need. With that said, I still think that the Giants will use a relatively high pick on at least one OT- but probably not the 1st rounder.

I also think that if the Giants draft a RB who is more of a tough yardage guy and a "balanced" TE (one who blocks and can catch the ball), as fans, we should prepare for a team that will have a completely new identity on offense this year.
Hart?  
greek13 : 3/12/2017 11:28 am : link
please - anyone want to wager - no way he is our starting RT - barring injury - hopes and wishes don't work on the NFL line of scrimmage - never have - never will - read his draft write up - and his grades -it is what it is - we now have 3 first rounders and 1 second rounder on the line - i bet we will have another fisrt or second rounder on the line in september
RE: Hart?  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/12/2017 11:37 am : link
In comment 13390148 greek13 said:
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please - anyone want to wager - no way he is our starting RT - barring injury - hopes and wishes don't work on the NFL line of scrimmage - never have - never will - read his draft write up - and his grades -it is what it is - we now have 3 first rounders and 1 second rounder on the line - i bet we will have another fisrt or second rounder on the line in september


Is it that outlandish?

He started there last year. It's entirely plausible they will give him an opportunity to compete for a spot.
RE: Far from etched in stone,  
Joey in VA : 3/12/2017 11:43 am : link
In comment 13389971 Big Blue '56 said:
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imo
But your opinion is for shit in this matter because he signed to play guard.
Many here seem unaware  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/12/2017 11:43 am : link
that young players often need time to develop, and sometimes they improve. (Side note: Flowers is 22)

I'm not sure how much the Giants like Hart, but I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him.
RE: RE: Far from etched in stone,  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/12/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13390161 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 13389971 Big Blue '56 said:


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imo

But your opinion is for shit in this matter because he signed to play guard.


They signed him to play guard, but they also like versatility. Things can absolutely change in camp.

This isn't Madden people.
People Are Going To Be Dissapointed  
Jim in Tampa : 3/12/2017 11:48 am : link
In a week draft year for O lineman and a bunch of teams that need one, the few good OL prospects will be gone by 23.

That means the Giants will either force the pick (unlikely) or choose a developmental OL prospect in rounds 3-5.

Face it. The starters will be (from left to right along the line...)

Flowers
Pugh
Richburg
Fluker
Hart

Giants will hope that Pugh and Richburg get (and stay) healthy...and they'll pray that Flowers, Fluker and Hart somehow get better.
I'll go with RG  
RetroJint : 3/12/2017 1:48 pm : link
& DJ is the essence of the one-year patch. If he plays well in '17, he will get a long-term deal someplace else. If he doesn't...well, then the Giants wouldn't want him back.

Not to belabor a point, here, or serve as a bad-luck totem, but I've seen sideline shots of the guy during Chargers game when it seems like he's having trouble breathing and is about to keel over. He's very strong. Agile for his size. But I'm not sure if he's healthy. That said , I hope he solidifies both his career and the right side during his one-year patch .
The thing I don't like about this  
bigbluehoya : 3/12/2017 2:04 pm : link
The only guarantee is that we get to deal with this problem again next offseason.
2 years at tackle and the Chargers tapped out  
SHO'NUFF : 3/12/2017 5:52 pm : link
and moved Fluker to RG. Are the Giants that stubborn with Flowers?

And for what it's worth, Fluker rated lower than Newhouse in PFF ratings.
RE: Interesting  
Dan in the Springs : 3/12/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13389967 XBRONX said:
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He played well at RT his rookie year.He was not very good after that for one year at RT and two years at RG.


Same as Pugh ('cept at LG)
RE: Both tackle positions  
nicky43 : 3/13/2017 7:32 am : link
In comment 13390111 5BowlsSoon said:
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Will cause us the greatest concern again this year. If we can get steady play from these positions we have a great chance to excel on offense, considering the three WRs we now possess.

I still,hope we draft at least 3 OL guys this year.



I agree but no way does "Who needs a good O-Line" Reese use three picks on the O-Line.

I'll settle for 2, and thank God if we get just 1 good one!
Seems to me that he has a better chance to be a plus Guard  
Heisenberg : 3/13/2017 7:56 am : link
But we still need a tackle. Can't go into the season with just Hart and Flowers.
Seems odd Giants would tip their hands ahead of the draft...  
GloryDayz : 3/13/2017 8:08 am : link
And remainder of FA.

Why tell every other team what position of need remains? If this is true & he is going to play RG, then its obvious Giants priority in the draft is OT.

It may be true, but I think you have to take these reports with a grain of salt
Other teams can see our roster  
UConn4523 : 3/13/2017 8:13 am : link
and make their own educated guesses on where Fluker plays. How does this "tip our hand"? We signed an OL to play somewhere on the right side and he played Guard the last 2 years, not exactly rocket science.
I'd like to see him at RG. They need muscle inside  
Victor in CT : 3/13/2017 8:30 am : link
to help Richburg and give Eli a pocket he can step into.
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