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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/12/2017 9:10 am
Pasztor still out there.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/12/2017 9:12 am : link
Would solidify OL further, imv..Would be fine with John Jerry returning as depth
Right now the only RT we have is Hart  
superspynyg : 3/12/2017 9:38 am : link
If whatctheyvsay about Flukervtobplay RG. We need to at least bring on competition for Hart.
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 3/12/2017 9:54 am : link
Per a source with knowledge of the deal, the Gilmore contract with the Patriots is worth $65 million over five years, an average of $13 million annually.

He receives a $18 million signing bonus, a fully-guaranteed 2017 base salary of $4.5 million, and a fully guaranteed 2018 base salary of $8.5 million. The contract has a $9.5 million base salary for 2019, $9 million of which is guaranteed for injury at signing. The guarantee felly vests on the third day of the 2019 league year.

The contract has non-guaranteed base salaries of $10.5 million in 2020 and $11.5 million in 2021. The remaining $2.5 million comes from per-game roster bonuses of $31,250 for each of the five years of the deal.

As a practical matter, itís a two-year, $32 million deal with a team option for each year thereafter. Still, thatís much more money than the Patriots pay to players who havenít previously played for the team.
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RE: Wow  
section125 : 3/12/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13390028 Jay on the Island said:
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Per a source with knowledge of the deal, the Gilmore contract with the Patriots is worth $65 million over five years, an average of $13 million annually.

He receives a $18 million signing bonus, a fully-guaranteed 2017 base salary of $4.5 million, and a fully guaranteed 2018 base salary of $8.5 million. The contract has a $9.5 million base salary for 2019, $9 million of which is guaranteed for injury at signing. The guarantee felly vests on the third day of the 2019 league year.

The contract has non-guaranteed base salaries of $10.5 million in 2020 and $11.5 million in 2021. The remaining $2.5 million comes from per-game roster bonuses of $31,250 for each of the five years of the deal.

As a practical matter, itís a two-year, $32 million deal with a team option for each year thereafter. Still, thatís much more money than the Patriots pay to players who havenít previously played for the team. Link - ( New Window )


These deals are getting crazy. What will they do once ESPN goes bankrupt and cannot fork over billions$$ to the NFL.
CBs and DEs getting to QB range. Lackluster guards and DTs raking double digit $$$s.
Poe News  
kelsto811 : 3/12/2017 10:31 am : link
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Dontati Poe en route to Indy for 1st visit. Colts want him long term but that'll take big $. Poe willing to go 1yr route. ATL, MIA, OAK next
Holy crap, I keep forgetting Robinson isn't even signed yet  
Mason : 3/12/2017 10:33 am : link
no wonder they haven't cut JT Thomas. Robinson is probably holding out to see what the market looks like.
RE: RE: Wow  
thomasa510 : 3/12/2017 10:34 am : link
Micky Mouse has some deep pockets my friend


In comment 13390068 section125 said:
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In comment 13390028 Jay on the Island said:


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Per a source with knowledge of the deal, the Gilmore contract with the Patriots is worth $65 million over five years, an average of $13 million annually.

He receives a $18 million signing bonus, a fully-guaranteed 2017 base salary of $4.5 million, and a fully guaranteed 2018 base salary of $8.5 million. The contract has a $9.5 million base salary for 2019, $9 million of which is guaranteed for injury at signing. The guarantee felly vests on the third day of the 2019 league year.

The contract has non-guaranteed base salaries of $10.5 million in 2020 and $11.5 million in 2021. The remaining $2.5 million comes from per-game roster bonuses of $31,250 for each of the five years of the deal.

As a practical matter, itís a two-year, $32 million deal with a team option for each year thereafter. Still, thatís much more money than the Patriots pay to players who havenít previously played for the team. Link - ( New Window )



These deals are getting crazy. What will they do once ESPN goes bankrupt and cannot fork over billions$$ to the NFL.
CBs and DEs getting to QB range. Lackluster guards and DTs raking double digit $$$s.
I'm  
AcidTest : 3/12/2017 10:34 am : link
very happy with what Reese has done. Marshall, Ellison, and Fluker are great pick ups.
"Giants not done adding Lineman"  
kelsto811 : 3/12/2017 10:37 am : link
ProFootballRumors article

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Free agent guard John Jerry could return to Big Blue, as Raanan reports the ďdoor is not believed to be closedĒ on a potential reunion. Jerry, 30, started all 16 games for the Giants last season, lining up at right guard. Elsewhere among internal free agents, New York has already seen Marshall Newhouse sign with Oakland, while Will Beatty is not expected to return, per Raanan.

As PFRís list of the Top 2017 Offensive Free Agents shows, starting options remain unsigned on the open market. At tackle, Ryan Clady, Austin Pasztor, and Andre Smith are still on the board, while T.J. Lang, Jahri Evans, and Tim Lelito are up for grabs on the interior.

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I think the Giants are almost there on the OL  
rich in DC : 3/12/2017 11:10 am : link
I think the real intent is to have Fluker play RG. I think the Giants also want a beefy RT with push in the run game.

The reality is that Eli has demonstrated over the past several years that he can perform behind an underperforming OL- maybe not to SB level, but he can handle it.

A single change will reduce the pressure on Eli- being able to run the ball. For about 3 years, the Giants have been completely unable to run the ball effectively. In turn, that has allowed defenses to stay in pass defense- and allow their pass rushers to attack upfield and not have to account for the run.

Adding Fluker and one more power body on the right side can change all of that. For all Fluker's faults, he can move DL in the run game. If Giant can consistently get 4 yards or more per rush, that forces opposing defenses to adjust- the ends can no longer crash the pocket without holding contain- at least one S has to stay in the box to contain the run- and it generally freezes the interior LB in the box, rather than allowing them to attack forward in pass defense.

Keep in mind as well that Eli is VERY strong at the play action game. However, over the past several years, teams have had no reason to respect the Giants run game, so the play action became ineffective. By re-establishing a run game, Eli can use the play action again- and force rushing ends to pause for that single extra second to read whether they need to play contain.

It will also reduce the reliance on Eli- in fact, I firmly believe that the comments made by MacAdoo at the combine was a means of stating that the Giants are going to shift to a much more balanced offense that will feature a real running game designed to gain yardage and move the sticks. In that way, Eli can come to the line, read the defense, and audible between run and pass- with the run being the base call in most situations. However, if he sees a mismatch for one of the WR that might net a big gain, he can audible out to a pass.

Dallas has effectively used this method over the past several years- they have been efficient in running the ball and have generally chosen when they want to pass. That slows the defense- as you CANNOT stay in a pass defense against Dallas, or they will run over you all day. I firmly believe that is the Giants desired outcome. That is also why they added a WR noted for his blocking and a strong blocking FB/TE.

I think that the Giants next move will be to determine whether there are any RT who are capable of moving people in the run game and are at least adequate in the pass game. If not, they might take the risk of going after Clady and one more guy who can play LT- and move Flowers to RT.

The Giants are on the verge of achieving their off-season goals on offense- and the draft will be a place to build depth all around rather than fill immediate needs.
Actually the reality is that Eli proved he can't perform behind  
Devon : 3/12/2017 11:19 am : link
an underwhelming (terrible) OL anymore. He used to be able to, but last season strongly indicates that time has solidly past -- and, at his age, that's understandable.

Fluker is probably better than Jerry in run blocking, but let's not try to pretend he's actually shown himself to be good at it or, really, anything on an NFL football field. He's just perhaps less terrible while definitely being more awful in pass pro.

I'm not really criticizing the signing either before the homers come at me with their "HOW COULD YOU CRITICIZE THE GIANTS! STFU!" schtick; he's a fine back-up signing, someone to throw in the mix for competition, but he just shouldn't be looked to to lock anything down. Shelf the talk about play action making a come back or the Giants being able to follow the Dallas method.
RichinDC  
GeoMan999 : 3/12/2017 11:20 am : link
Well said. I like that the Giants try to fill all of there major holes in free agency and largely go BPA in the draft.
RE: Actually the reality is that Eli proved he can't perform behind  
rich in DC : 3/12/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13390132 Devon said:
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an underwhelming (terrible) OL anymore. He used to be able to, but last season strongly indicates that time has solidly past -- and, at his age, that's understandable.

Fluker is probably better than Jerry in run blocking, but let's not try to pretend he's actually shown himself to be good at it or, really, anything on an NFL football field. He's just perhaps less terrible while definitely being more awful in pass pro.

I'm not really criticizing the signing either before the homers come at me with their "HOW COULD YOU CRITICIZE THE GIANTS! STFU!" schtick; he's a fine back-up signing, someone to throw in the mix for competition, but he just shouldn't be looked to to lock anything down. Shelf the talk about play action making a come back or the Giants being able to follow the Dallas method.


I can understand your doubt, but in the modern NFL, while the passing game is king- the passing game cannot operate without a strong run game. In turn, being able to run- or at least threaten the defense with the run- allows teams to pass.

I think that no one will dispute that the Giants have be unable to run the ball at all in recent years. However, we must also accept that personnel issues were not the sole reason for the problem.

The Giants have not had the strong OGs who can move bodies- which actually is more important than ever with a relatively small OC who really can't handle a big man right over his nose. That is how you run the ball- move those big men in the middle and allow the FB and OC to get to the second level.

The Giants cannot go into another season with Eli or bust. He can survive in that offense- but that is what he is doing- surviving- not thriving. If defenses have to accept that their schemes must account for a legitimate run game, Eli buys time for his OL with the play action. So much of the modern NFL offense relies on misdirection and attempts to conceal the play- the play action is just another means.

I know you doubt that the Giants can run the ball- but when you look at the FA pick ups and take off the "WE NEED A NAME I KNOW ON THE OL OR THE OFF-SEASON IS A FAILURE" glasses, you will see that ALL of the pickups are designed to improve or work in an offense that heavily uses the run.

I know I probably won't convince you to see it- but sometimes what seems obvious is not the right answer. Sometimes you have to look at what the big picture is rather than focusing on small pieces of the picture.
unless you cpunt fluker, flowers and pugh  
idiotsavant : 3/12/2017 11:40 am : link
''Right now the only RT we have is Hart
superspynyg : 9:38 am : link : reply

If whatctheyvsay about Flukervtobplay RG. We need to at least bring on competition for Hart.''
Thoughts on 30 year-old Andre Smith, still out there,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/12/2017 11:59 am : link
for ORT?
fluker is insurance in case flowers sucks at right tackle as well  
idiotsavant : 3/12/2017 12:18 pm : link
but maybe they both suck
Cap is tight | Time to let the market settle  
DavidinBMNY : 3/12/2017 12:35 pm : link
I expect very little right now, until prices come down for Vets. Most interesting this week will be more internal to the team:

1) Does JPP sign long term
2) What happens with Hankins.
3) What's up with Robinson

TJ Lang to the Lions  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/12/2017 1:36 pm : link
per Garafolo
RE: Thoughts on 30 year-old Andre Smith, still out there,  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13390180 Big Blue '56 said:
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for ORT?


I think he is often injured. Not sure how 2016 went for him.
RE: Cap is tight | Time to let the market settle  
Rjanyg : 3/12/2017 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13390210 DavidinBMNY said:
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I expect very little right now, until prices come down for Vets. Most interesting this week will be more internal to the team:

1) Does JPP sign long term
2) What happens with Hankins.
3) What's up with Robinson


Agree. I feel NYG is done adding until, JPP is extended. I think Hankins will leave and I am hopeful Robinson is really-signed simultaneous with a JT Thomas release.
Jags cut  
XBRONX : 3/12/2017 2:31 pm : link
Roy Miller. Good player if he passes physical.
RE: RE: Thoughts on 30 year-old Andre Smith, still out there,  
5BowlsSoon : 3/12/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13390329 Rjanyg said:
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In comment 13390180 Big Blue '56 said:


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for ORT?



I think he is often injured. Not sure how 2016 went for him.


I thought I read he was visiting Bills today. Or am I getting confused?
Is Ryan Clary able to pass a physical?  
George from PA : 3/12/2017 3:46 pm : link
Hoping we can get him if healthy......With a local discount😂
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BleedBlue : 3/12/2017 4:48 pm : link
i would also be interested to see if clady can pass a physical as well
Thanks, blue  
George from PA : 3/12/2017 6:26 pm : link
Damn auto correct
RE: TJ Lang to the Lions  
M.S. : 3/12/2017 8:37 pm : link
In comment 13390286 gidiefor said:
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per Garafolo

I would have gladly let Hankins walk if it meant we could sign a guy like TJ Lang.
RE: RE: TJ Lang to the Lions  
Mr. Nickels : 3/13/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13390733 M.S. said:
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In comment 13390286 gidiefor said:


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per Garafolo


I would have gladly let Hankins walk if it meant we could sign a guy like TJ Lang.



Looks like we're getting neither yay!
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