If Woodhead has received the biggest and what looks to be an overpay of RBs this offseason. With Giants trying to shake some savings from Dwayne Harris to reconsider his contract (rightfully so)...what justifies Vereen's cap hit coming off 2 season ending surgeries and playing a limited role as a RB...isnt he on the books for 3.75m or so this year?
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The #Ravens deal for RB Danny Woodhead is going to end up being large in this RB market: 3 year, $8.8M with $4.25M guaranteed |
A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
agree that you dont just drop him unless you have his replacement already
A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
How much money has he made from the Giants and how many snaps has he played? Think about that. I am not even asking how many games. I am saying how many snaps.
A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
People hate hearing about the Pats but they find guys at RB all the time for bargains but pay their TEs. The Giants always try to go the cheap way on TE and waste money on RBs. There are all kinds of success examples around the NFL for later round RBs. Sign a FB and get rid of Vereen Darkwa and deaft rookie . Everyone looks great in NE. He's been good here but really?
2016: 117 out of 1061 total
A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
Vereen is scheduled to make 3.1 million this year. Woodhead is the better player of the two. He's coming off a bad injury though, so I'm a little surprised they are paying him that much.
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A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
People hate hearing about the Pats but they find guys at RB all the time for bargains but pay their TEs. The Giants always try to go the cheap way on TE and waste money on RBs. There are all kinds of success examples around the NFL for later round RBs. Sign a FB and get rid of Vereen Darkwa and deaft rookie . Everyone looks great in NE. He's been good here but really?
I'll take James Conner in round 4 or 5. Pair him with Perkins and keep Darkwa as the third guy. Perkins is capable of playing on third downs if hey don't find a true third down back. He's got pretty good hands, just has to continue to refine his pass pro.
Vereen has been our best back since he was signed. He was also our third most productive offensive player when he was on the field.
But let's not stop piling on a guy for injuries
Before this years triceps, his only significant injury was missing 3 games with a foot back in 2012.
Cutting him for cap space is one thing, but doing so citing injury/fumbling
Is simply inaccurate when evaluating his career history.
I've never really understood the hype around Vereen. I feel like he's an ok player, but not worth his salary given how undervalued RBs are nowadays. The last decent running back(s) we had were Jacobs and Bradshaw.
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but if healthy he'd be worth every penny. Hopefully he/we get some luck with health this year.
I've never really understood the hype around Vereen. I feel like he's an ok player, but not worth his salary given how undervalued RBs are nowadays. The last decent running back(s) we had were Jacobs and Bradshaw.
I agree with you. Nice player, but nothing special. Product of Bill Belichick system, hype from SB got him a nice contracty
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A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
People hate hearing about the Pats but they find guys at RB all the time for bargains but pay their TEs. The Giants always try to go the cheap way on TE and waste money on RBs. There are all kinds of success examples around the NFL for later round RBs. Sign a FB and get rid of Vereen Darkwa and deaft rookie . Everyone looks great in NE. He's been good here but really?
I'll take James Conner in round 4 or 5. Pair him with Perkins and keep Darkwa as the third guy. Perkins is capable of playing on third downs if hey don't find a true third down back. He's got pretty good hands, just has to continue to refine his pass pro.
I'd be happy w Connor as well and go w those 3 happily.
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but if healthy he'd be worth every penny. Hopefully he/we get some luck with health this year.
I've never really understood the hype around Vereen. I feel like he's an ok player, but not worth his salary given how undervalued RBs are nowadays. The last decent running back(s) we had were Jacobs and Bradshaw.
I agree with you. Nice player, but nothing special. Product of Bill Belichick system, hype from SB got him a nice contracty
It's amazing how the Pats churn out these RB's all the time. Remember Jonas Gray, the guy that ran for over 200 yards that one game and disappeared from the face of the earth.
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A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
Vereen is scheduled to make 3.1 million this year. Woodhead is the better player of the two. He's coming off a bad injury though, so I'm a little surprised they are paying him that much.
Why is Woodhead automatically better? Neither are much runners but excellent receivers. Simple.
Vereen was the teams best back in 2015 and second best weapon to Eli.
One tricep injury and all of a sudden he's prone to injuries and fumbling.
I'm not saying Vereen is Marshall Faulk or Ladainian Tomlinson but he is EASILY the teams best receiving back and can pass protect to boot.
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A 3rd down back at an avg of almost $ 3 million. Otay.
Vereen is scheduled to make 3.1 million this year. Woodhead is the better player of the two. He's coming off a bad injury though, so I'm a little surprised they are paying him that much.
Why is Woodhead automatically better? Neither are much runners but excellent receivers. Simple.
Vereen was the teams best back in 2015 and second best weapon to Eli.
One tricep injury and all of a sudden he's prone to injuries and fumbling.
Woodhead is nothing special either, but I feel he is more consistent than Vereen. I was not a huge fan of Vereen before we brought him in, pre injury and fumbling, he seems like a product of the Pats system. And being the best RB on the Giants in 2015 is not really anything to write home about.
I'm not saying Vereen is Marshall Faulk or Ladainian Tomlinson but he is EASILY the teams best receiving back and can pass protect to boot.
Almost every rookie RB struggles with pass protection. It's one of the biggest changes when moving from college to the pros. He also got off to s late start last year as UCLA's graduation is later than many schools. I would expect him to be much better in this area in 2017.
Burkhead looked pretty good when he got his chance at the very end of the season due to injuries to Hill and Bernard. Would probably cost a lot less than Vereen and is likely as good if not better.
Hate to beat a dead horse because it has been said so many times: Better to do like BB and trade or just cut guys a year early rather than keep them a year too long. It seems like Reese's ego makes him repeatedly do the latter.
Don't wake up I wish this too. Either Christian or Conner. Please get one. I think Christian can have a great impact on this offense underneath out of the backfield open things for Odell Marshall and shep. Also will help out tight ends and makes that need not as pressing. Although this is a deep tight end class.
2017 salary $3,150,000
Cap number $4,916,668
I thought the original contract was a bit much.
Now if you want to create more money, cut his salary to 2Mill.
I would make D. Harris a post June 1st cut.
Also, DRC, hate to keep banging a drum, but they can create
some more money for one or two more players in FA.
They can't cut Thomas (4 mill. cap hit) until he passes
his physical, and about 3 mill. in salary.
The Ravens aren't looking very bright here.
Vereen never fumbled much in New England either.
I wouldn't let last year fool you.
some more money for one or two more players in FA."
one of those players will have to be a CB, thereby reducing the real savings and probably the quality of player.
you're not replacing DRC with equal quality for a cheaper price. He is NOT a luxury we can live without.
And don't forget, 6/1 is not some magical extra money. every dollar you gain this year is a dollar you won't have next year.
some more money for one or two more players in FA."
one of those players will have to be a CB, thereby reducing the real savings and probably the quality of player.
you're not replacing DRC with equal quality for a cheaper price. He is NOT a luxury we can live without.
And don't forget, 6/1 is not some magical extra money. every dollar you gain this year is a dollar you won't have next year.
I never said replace him, have said restructure...
hence the banging the drum commentary.
Sometimes you have to play hard ball, when you need
to free up some money. Asking one or two players to restructure is okay. It's when it's too many, it's an issue.
My mistake.