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DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 9:00 am
- Tough break for Nimmo, outwith grade 1 hammy strain. Really nice spring to this point. No longer has a shot making the opening day roster which sucks for him but probably better in the long run

-3 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, BB, K final line for Crismatt vs. DR. Stuff won't pop off the page but solid line vs. a great team

-The Mets LHP relievers have not pitched well, to the point Adam Wilk has stood out, however Collins noted Wilk is not in the mix for the pen because of SP depth issues. Makes the Ynoa decision even more curious

-Minor knee surgery for Flexen, kid needs to stay healthy. Often dinged

-today RHP Noah Syndergaard, RHP Robert Gsellman, LHP David Roseboom, RHP Chase
Bradford, RHP Ben Rowen
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RE: I haven't seen him but supposedly Familia  
Metnut : 3/13/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13391395 ZGiants98 said:
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has looked really good in the WBC. Glad to hear it.


How wonderful of MLB to let him pitch in the WBC and announce his suspension afterward.
RE: anyone  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13391412 spike said:
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have the Mets lineuP?



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Home run derby  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:00 pm : link
Grandy goes yard. Ass Cab, Hulk, and Grandy man all with homers now.
Duda  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 2:00 pm : link
is now 6-14 with 2 homers and 4 doubles. Lucas doesn't do singles.
I like Grandy in the 2 hole (his announced favorite spot)  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:01 pm : link
I probably go

Reyes
Granderson
Cespedes
Duda
Walker
Bruce
Cabrera
TDA

With TDA and Cabrera switching as soon as TDA proves he can hit again.
RE: Duda  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13391465 DanMetroMan said:
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is now 6-14 with 2 homers and 4 doubles. Lucas doesn't do singles.

1600 OPS. lol.
RE: RE: Duda  
spike : 3/13/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13391471 ZGiants98 said:
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is now 6-14 with 2 homers and 4 doubles. Lucas doesn't do singles.


1600 OPS. lol.


Duda'll be ice cold when the season starts .
Syndergaard just fell apart in the 3rd.  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:12 pm : link
Started with a walk, then allowed a double and a home run to Bour. 3-3.
.  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:21 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
Noah Syndergaard's perfect spring is over. He gave up three runs in the fourth inning today. Struck out four and threw 66 pitches. #Mets
Tebow singles!  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:36 pm : link
lol.
Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 2:41 pm : link
singled of Kyle Lobstein, a 2012 Rule 5 pick by the Mets

Props to Tebow. Lobstein excellent career #'s vs. lefties .209/.295/.284 #Mets
.  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 2:45 pm : link
Padres sign Cuban LHP Osvaldo Hernandez for 2.5 million per @BaseballAmerica. The Mets reportedly had interest #Mets
Syndergaard has been sick for almost 2 months! Yikes.  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:49 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
As for his illness, Syndergaard says he's been feeling under the weather for a month and a half. Seen a doctor multiple times, no diagnosis.
.  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:50 pm : link
Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
Noah: “I love throwing to Travis. Just the way he receives back there is second to none.”
RE: .  
Jay on the Island : 3/13/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13391545 DanMetroMan said:
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Padres sign Cuban LHP Osvaldo Hernandez for 2.5 million per @BaseballAmerica. The Mets reportedly had interest #Mets

The Padres continue to add to their impressive international haul.
.  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:50 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
Noah Syndergaard says he gave Tim Tebow a hug after his sliding catch to rob Justin Bour of a hit. #Mets
RE: Syndergaard has been sick for almost 2 months! Yikes.  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13391553 ZGiants98 said:
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Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
As for his illness, Syndergaard says he's been feeling under the weather for a month and a half. Seen a doctor multiple times, no diagnosis.


Wonderful
RE: Syndergaard has been sick for almost 2 months! Yikes.  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13391553 ZGiants98 said:
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Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
As for his illness, Syndergaard says he's been feeling under the weather for a month and a half. Seen a doctor multiple times, no diagnosis.


What the fuck, man.. a mystery illness?

Only us....
Valley Fever?  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 2:56 pm : link
Please LORD no. lol
.  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 2:57 pm : link
Gsellman 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 K. He's going to be in the rotation barring a total meltdown #Mets
yikes...  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:01 pm : link
Colon today :
3 IP
8 hits
5 runs
2 BB
1 K
Neil Walker with a 2 run HR  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:02 pm : link
5-3.
Neil  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 3:02 pm : link
Walker, red hot spring
I think we expected Wright  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:04 pm : link
to have a fork nearly sticking out of him so his setback isn't surprising but it's nice to Walker and Duda have hot springs.
Tebow with his first  
pjcas18 : 3/13/2017 3:06 pm : link
hit and a diving OF catch. Thor hugged him after the catch.

Standing O's for both (as well as for his weak groundout).

His popularity is still baffling to me even if it is a weird FL thing.
I know we've debated it here endlessly..  
arcarsenal : 3/13/2017 3:26 pm : link
But is there proof that Lucas Duda is significantly more "streaky" than other hitters? Or is that mostly fan perception that gets blown out of proportion.

I obviously know he gets white hot and carries the team at times and also follows those hot streaks up with some miserable cold streaks, but.. most hitters don't hit their average on a month to month basis.

I am having this debate with a friend and just always wondered how "streaky" Duda really is relative to most other hitters.
Duda  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 3:32 pm : link
wasn't one of the top 10 streakiest players in baseball in 2015 (I can't find an article about 2016 and he barely played). But it's a list of some of the best players in all of baseball who were.

Greatest Week-t0-Week Inconsistency, Nos. 1-10 (min. 400 plate appearances, 12 quality weeks)
Name STDEV MEAN MIN MAX
Rougned Odor 0.69 0.74 -0.22 3.17
Delino DeShields 0.56 0.75 -0.20 2.50
Ryan Howard 0.47 0.64 0.00 1.83
Justin Turner 0.46 0.74 0.14 1.68
Todd Frazier 0.46 0.71 0.00 1.70
Nolan Arenado 0.45 0.82 0.15 2.26
Bryce Harper 0.44 0.95 0.44 2.04
Edwin Encarnacion 0.44 0.85 0.00 2.12
Justin Bour 0.44 0.66 0.00 1.50
Josh Donaldson 0.41 0.89 0.42 1.94
Jim  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 3:35 pm : link
Albert published a piece in the Journal for Quantitative Analysis and his final conclusion was thus

"Although the model explains most of the streaky hitting in baseball, some
model misfit is present. Among all regular players, there are more streaky
hitters than one would predict on the basis of this exchangeable model. On
the basis of this observation, we identified the players who were unusually
streaky in the patterns of getting hits, home runs, and strikeouts. But there is
little evidence on the basis of this study that particular players are generally
streaky – players that appeared streaky in the pattern of hits/outs did not
appear streaky in the pattern of strikeouts. This suggests that it may be
hard to find players that exhibit streaky behavior across seasons, although
this would be an interesting study for future work."
RE: I know we've debated it here endlessly..  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13391644 arcarsenal said:
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But is there proof that Lucas Duda is significantly more "streaky" than other hitters? Or is that mostly fan perception that gets blown out of proportion.

I obviously know he gets white hot and carries the team at times and also follows those hot streaks up with some miserable cold streaks, but.. most hitters don't hit their average on a month to month basis.

I am having this debate with a friend and just always wondered how "streaky" Duda really is relative to most other hitters.


It's a complete myth. He had one extended cold streak in 2015 and none at all in 2014. His month to month splits are actually eerily in line. Id actually argue based on that that he's more consistent than average players. Every good baseball player that ever lived had an extended cold streak before (Trout had a terrible month last year/Piazza had laughably bad months) and just about everyone in our lineup has shown to be even more streaky in their careers (Hi Granderson, Hi Bruce, Hi Neil Walker, Hi Cespedes, Hi Cabrera)
Neil Walker had one of the worst cold streaks Ive ever seen in my  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:39 pm : link
entire life last year that lasted months and everyone talks about him like its nothing. lol. Baffling.
My only concern with Duda  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:44 pm : link
Is his back but if he's healthy Im expecting a huge season in this lineup. If all that happens(he's healthy) I'd probably still consider bringing him back on a 3-4 year deal too. Im not convinced Smith is going to turn into some 30 HR bat yet although I do like him a lot. Just have to sit back and see how it all plays out.
RE: Neil Walker had one of the worst cold streaks Ive ever seen in my  
debo_GIANTS : 3/13/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13391675 ZGiants98 said:
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entire life last year that lasted months and everyone talks about him like its nothing. lol. Baffling.


Z - I think a lot of that cold streak had to do with his back. He was terrible for a while then went on the DL, came back and started to hit again before hurting the back again.
RE: RE: Neil Walker had one of the worst cold streaks Ive ever seen in my  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13391695 debo_GIANTS said:
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entire life last year that lasted months and everyone talks about him like its nothing. lol. Baffling.



Z - I think a lot of that cold streak had to do with his back. He was terrible for a while then went on the DL, came back and started to hit again before hurting the back again.


Yeah thats another thing that often gets overlooked. He was battling a couple things during that cold streak anyway. My point is who cares? Every single player has had a horrid month. Its amazing to me how Duda gets shit on when our lineup is filled with more streaky players and streaks are part of the game in general anyway. I love Granderson but holy shit the guy is hot and cold month to month more than anyone Ive ever seen. It's who he his and even that's fine.
I just think we've gotten to a point  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:53 pm : link
with stats in other sports and in general where we constantly want to look at data and make assumptions but baseball is still not like other sports. Hitting a baseball is HARD. You are successful if you fail only 7 out of 10 times. There's still a human element at play. Your swing get's off a half a degree and you try to compensate and it puts you in a slump for a month! It has always happened. It always will happen. Doesn't matter how good you are. Why is it still shocking to people every single time a guy goes through it? lol.

Ok rant over. hehe
People  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 3:54 pm : link
see what they want to see. I'm really not interested in some prolonged streakiness debate (we have these every year) but when people decide James Loney is "better" than Duda etc. It becomes ridiculous. Duda is a top 10 player at his position and we are lucky to have him.
RE: People  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13391727 DanMetroMan said:
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see what they want to see. I'm really not interested in some prolonged streakiness debate (we have these every year) but when people decide James Loney is "better" than Duda etc. It becomes ridiculous. Duda is a top 10 player at his position and we are lucky to have him.


clap clap clap! :)
RE: People  
Metnut : 3/13/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13391727 DanMetroMan said:
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see what they want to see. I'm really not interested in some prolonged streakiness debate (we have these every year) but when people decide James Loney is "better" than Duda etc. It becomes ridiculous. Duda is a top 10 player at his position and we are lucky to have him.


+1
RE: People  
pjcas18 : 3/13/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13391727 DanMetroMan said:
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see what they want to see. I'm really not interested in some prolonged streakiness debate (we have these every year) but when people decide James Loney is "better" than Duda etc. It becomes ridiculous. Duda is a top 10 player at his position and we are lucky to have him.


There was a Loney is better than Duda thread? LOL.

I agree with what you said with one qualifier....if he's healthy. The Mets waited too long relying on Wright to come back and maybe failed to really address 3B , I hope they don't make the same mistake with Duda. Back injuries are the worst, robbed the careers of many baseball players. Hopefully with Smith in the wings, if Duda can't come back healthy the Mets don't prolong waiting.

Scoreless  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 4:04 pm : link
inning for Rowen. I'm still not a fan/believer at 77 MPH but that's now 6.1 scoreless. Given how much they talked up his "interesting" look I assume he has a leg up on Sewald. I think Goeddel will be removed from the 40 man.
You could also start another entire debate  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 4:05 pm : link
on how almost all power hitters hit their HRs in clumps. Cespedes does, Duda does, and so do most HR hitting players.
RE: RE: People  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13391767 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13391727 DanMetroMan said:


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see what they want to see. I'm really not interested in some prolonged streakiness debate (we have these every year) but when people decide James Loney is "better" than Duda etc. It becomes ridiculous. Duda is a top 10 player at his position and we are lucky to have him.



There was a Loney is better than Duda thread? LOL.

I agree with what you said with one qualifier....if he's healthy. The Mets waited too long relying on Wright to come back and maybe failed to really address 3B , I hope they don't make the same mistake with Duda. Back injuries are the worst, robbed the careers of many baseball players. Hopefully with Smith in the wings, if Duda can't come back healthy the Mets don't prolong waiting.


PJ,
It started getting nuts on twitter. People were acting like James Loney was Will Clark (I have a weird affinity for Will Clark, my uncle and Grandpa are huge Giants fans) so I grew up casually following them as well. Then the "real" Loney showed himself lol. Perfect world Duda has a big year and makes the Smith decision a tough one.
I think it might be cool having a sidewinder in the pen  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 4:09 pm : link
Not sure if Id want that over Sewald who has fantastic peripherals but I probably wouldn't hate it as an experiment.

I also dont want to add Sewald to the 40 man until we know he can stay there which might be part of it. What good is adding Sewald for Familia if when Familia comes back from suspension you just have to remove him and risk losing him again? (yes I know there are a few other spots but this would be based on those spots already gone too for Ty kelly, ect.)
Harper-  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 4:10 pm : link
Last year, it’s worth remembering, MLB announced a suspension for Aroldis Chapman on March 1 after an off-season incident.

So why is this one taking so long, considering that the prosecuting attorney in Fort Lee, N.J. dismissed the case back on Dec. 15, nearly three months ago?

A few weeks ago Mets’ GM Sandy Alderson speculated that MLB would wait until after the WBC to announce any suspension for Familia.

He didn’t say that would be a self-serving decision but obviously MLB benefits from having as many high-profile players as possible play in an event it pushes hard to promote.

Hypocritical if MLB waits to announce Familia ban until after WBC
However, MLB sources make the point that the league doesn’t have unilateral power to suspend a player from the WBC, as the tournament is held jointly with the Players’ Association and international federations. Which means the union would have to consent to any suspension.

In addition, sources say Familia’s visa issues at the beginning of spring training delayed his interview with MLB.

Whatever the complications, however, it’s hard to believe MLB hasn’t concluded its investigation.

Even if the league couldn’t suspend Familia from the WBC, the optics would have been bad to have him playing in the tournament after announcing a regular-season suspension, especially after commissioner Rob Manfred set a strong example in the first year of MLB’s domestic violence policy with the suspensions of Chapman and Jose Reyes.
So Syndergaard says no diagnosis and Collins says there is. Hmmmmm...  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 4:18 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ✔@AnthonyDiComo
Terry Collins says Noah Syndergaard's mystery illness is a lingering case of bronchitis. So at least he has a diagnosis. #Mets
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pjcas18 : 3/13/2017 4:18 pm : link
better than valley fever or something undiagnosed, but two months of bronchitis seems like a lot.

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Anthony DiComo‏Verified account @AnthonyDiComo 6m6 minutes ago

Terry Collins says Noah Syndergaard's mystery illness is a lingering case of bronchitis. So at least he has a diagnosis. #Mets
This should piss people off lol.  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 4:24 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
Sounds like Tim Tebow is not done in Mets camp. Terry Collins had a change of heart, will borrow him for additional GL games this spring.
Picked by the Mets in 2012  
DanMetroMan : 3/13/2017 4:28 pm : link
Mets have signed 23-year old infielder Leon Byrd to a minor league deal per Baseball America. Played last year in Indy Ball.
RE: .  
Pete in MD : 3/13/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13391826 pjcas18 said:
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better than valley fever or something undiagnosed, but two months of bronchitis seems like a lot.



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Anthony DiComo‏Verified account @AnthonyDiComo 6m6 minutes ago

Terry Collins says Noah Syndergaard's mystery illness is a lingering case of bronchitis. So at least he has a diagnosis. #Mets



My wife and I both had bronchitis this winter. It lasted about six weeks for both of us. There seems to be a nasty strain out there.
RE: RE: .  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13391852 Pete in MD said:
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In comment 13391826 pjcas18 said:


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better than valley fever or something undiagnosed, but two months of bronchitis seems like a lot.



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Anthony DiComo‏Verified account @AnthonyDiComo 6m6 minutes ago

Terry Collins says Noah Syndergaard's mystery illness is a lingering case of bronchitis. So at least he has a diagnosis. #Mets





My wife and I both had bronchitis this winter. It lasted about six weeks for both of us. There seems to be a nasty strain out there.


Weird how Collins got the diagnosis before Syndergaard did. Both commented today. lol.
Didn't see this posted yet...  
ZGiants98 : 3/14/2017 1:52 am : link
Rosario ranked number 3 prospect again on Fangaphs top 100. The Mets had four other players ranked in the top 100; RHP Robert Gsellman 39th, 1B Dominic Smith 73rd, RHP Justin Dunn 77th and SS Andres Gimenez 82nd.

Probably the best Mets showing yet and Gsellman 39 is especially high.

This is the Rosario excerpt.

“An exceptional athlete who has become more explosive and coordinated as his body has matured, Rosario projects as a plus defender at shortstop. His recent physical maturation has also aided his offensive output, though his raw power (which was on par with all but the game’s best power-hitting prospects at the Futures Game) hasn’t shown up on paper yet. If he starts to get to it in games, and if more raw power comes as Rosario’s frame continues to mature, he’s going to be a monster. I consider him the best bet to top this list next year.”
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