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New York Giants LB Keenan Robinson Visiting the Bengals

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2017 2:42 pm
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I'm told LB Keenan Robinson is traveling today for a visit with the #Bengals.
this is not what we wanted to hear  
Rocky369 : 3/13/2017 2:44 pm : link
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Would hate to lose him  
Big Blue '56 : 3/13/2017 2:44 pm : link
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Could it be  
area junc : 3/13/2017 2:45 pm : link
we'd rather just keep J.T.?
Weird.  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2017 2:47 pm : link
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Don't Thomas and Robinson  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2017 2:47 pm : link
play two different LB positions or at least have two completely different skill sets?
Zach Brown please ...  
BigBluDawg : 3/13/2017 2:50 pm : link
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RE: Don't Thomas and Robinson  
area junc : 3/13/2017 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13391551 Reb8thVA said:
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play two different LB positions or at least have two completely different skill sets?


No they both play base WLB and nickel. Both speedy coverage backers. I prefer Robinson but just wondering aloud.
RE: RE: Don't Thomas and Robinson  
Reb8thVA : 3/13/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13391564 area junc said:
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In comment 13391551 Reb8thVA said:


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play two different LB positions or at least have two completely different skill sets?



No they both play base WLB and nickel. Both speedy coverage backers. I prefer Robinson but just wondering aloud.
I thought Thomas was an MLB by trade
Robinson played well in coverage last year  
Simms11 : 3/13/2017 2:56 pm : link
and not so much against the run when he was asked to do that. With that said, I think he would be a loss to this Defense and in this NFL, LBers are being asked to provide more coverage then ever. I'm sure the Giants feel they can grab a LBer with the same skill set. JT Thomas sucked IMO and would be a drop off in skill.
Robinson was a very underated signing last year  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2017 3:05 pm : link
I will be pissed if we lose him and keep JT Thomas.
Maybe they're bringing back Spencer Paysinger  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2017 3:06 pm : link
(groan)

:)
losing Robinson would annoy the shit out of me  
djm : 3/13/2017 3:07 pm : link
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RE: Could it be  
djm : 3/13/2017 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13391542 area junc said:
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we'd rather just keep J.T.?


No way in hell.
Thomas can't even stay on the field  
giants#1 : 3/13/2017 3:09 pm : link
The starters right now are probably Kennard-Goodson-Casillas.
JT's a better more natural WILL  
JonC : 3/13/2017 3:09 pm : link
he was the backup MIKE with JAX, iirc.

Neither player is a longterm answer, but KR can at least be effective as the nickel MIKE.
Say bye bye  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2017 3:09 pm : link
the Giants do not have the money to keep him.
RE: Zach Brown please ...  
WillVAB : 3/13/2017 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13391559 BigBluDawg said:
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This.

Robinson was just a JAG anyways playing behind an elite DL and secondary.
Haason Reddick in the first baby  
adamg : 3/13/2017 3:25 pm : link
Make it happen Reese
RE: Say bye bye  
jcn56 : 3/13/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13391607 HomerJones45 said:
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the Giants do not have the money to keep him.


Why, you're expecting KR to cash in with the Bengals?

Can't be that they're prioritizing Thomas, he's not even healthy yet.
Curious...  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 3:27 pm : link
If we lose Hankins, Robinson, Jerry, and Newhouse and add Marshall, Ellison, and Fluker has the roster gotten better or worse?
LBs and OL  
old man : 3/13/2017 3:29 pm : link
are persona non grata in JRs mind. He'd rather have 3 Landon Collins/Trel-type safeties instead of LBs and 2 TEs to supplement the OL instead of OLs.
KB is likely gone.
But I've been plenty wrong before.
I wonder if Hassan Reddick becomes  
mofti : 3/13/2017 3:34 pm : link
a legit target in the draft with the departure of Robinson.
RE: LBs and OL  
Beer Man : 3/13/2017 4:01 pm : link
In comment 13391650 old man said:
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are persona non grata in JRs mind. He'd rather have 3 Landon Collins/Trel-type safeties instead of LBs and 2 TEs to supplement the OL instead of OLs.
KB is likely gone.
But I've been plenty wrong before.
I think you are right on this one. You can add TE to the list as well.
Not good  
Joey in VA : 3/13/2017 4:11 pm : link
His speed in coverage allows us a lot of flexibility. It would be a shame to lose that.
BBI Update  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/13/2017 4:21 pm : link
FYI...
Giants Re-Sign John Jerry; Keenan Robinson Visits Bengals - ( New Window )
Until They Sign JPP  
Suburbanites : 3/13/2017 4:32 pm : link
They have no $$$$, yea I know I keep hearing how they can make cap space but I can't see it being much. JPP has them by the short hairs, they need to fill holes with the draft and that's the proper way of building your roster anyway. Someone like Alex Anzelone in the 4th round would more than adequately replace Robinson, who btw I like and would love to see back.
RE: LBs and OL  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/13/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13391650 old man said:
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are persona non grata in JRs mind. He'd rather have 3 Landon Collins/Trel-type safeties instead of LBs and 2 TEs to supplement the OL instead of OLs.
KB is likely gone.
But I've been plenty wrong before.

Pretty sure it was Reese who signed him last year to a fair number of objections on BBI.
RE: Curious...  
Suburbanites : 3/13/2017 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13391645 ZGiants98 said:
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If we lose Hankins, Robinson, Jerry, and Newhouse and add Marshall, Ellison, and Fluker has the roster gotten better or worse?
If Marshall returns to his old self and I see no reason he won't, than he alone makes this a net positive free agency season.
While Robinson was better in coverage  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/13/2017 4:41 pm : link
Than what we're use to seeing, that really says something about how piss poor our LB covering people has been over the last 3 or 4 years. Robinson was decent, not great, and replaceable. Perhaps Goodwin gets more time there, which was hinted at in recent press conferences, or we spend a unconventionally high (Rd 1-3) pick on a LB?
Goodwin = Goodson  
GiantsRage2007 : 3/13/2017 4:42 pm : link
damn spell check
RE: While Robinson was better in coverage  
Brown Recluse : 3/13/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13391880 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Than what we're use to seeing, that really says something about how piss poor our LB covering people has been over the last 3 or 4 years. Robinson was decent, not great, and replaceable. Perhaps Goodwin gets more time there, which was hinted at in recent press conferences, or we spend a unconventionally high (Rd 1-3) pick on a LB?


My impression of Goodson is that he is a thumper. Not a coverage LB. Maybe I'm wrong.
RE: I wonder if Hassan Reddick becomes  
yatqb : 3/13/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13391660 mofti said:
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a legit target in the draft with the departure of Robinson.


I agree. Or Obi Msodsfihe3w4oti in the 2nd?
RE: RE: Curious...  
ZGiants98 : 3/13/2017 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13391866 Suburbanites said:
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If we lose Hankins, Robinson, Jerry, and Newhouse and add Marshall, Ellison, and Fluker has the roster gotten better or worse?

If Marshall returns to his old self and I see no reason he won't, than he alone makes this a net positive free agency season.


Eh it's close. I posted that before the Jerry signing. I agree Marshall should clog one big hole but I think Hankins is worth more on the open market by far and losing him just opens another hole. Fluker is similar to Jerry/Newhouse. All 3 suck. Getting a blocking TE was nice but losing a LB who started most days would sting also. Still, we have an entire draft so we should be better on paper when it's all said and done. Im bummed we didnt do more to fix the line.
we drafted a youngster last year  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/13/2017 4:45 pm : link
to take care of this problem
RE: While Robinson was better in coverage  
Beer Man : 3/13/2017 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13391880 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Than what we're use to seeing, that really says something about how piss poor our LB covering people has been over the last 3 or 4 years. Robinson was decent, not great, and replaceable. Perhaps Goodwin gets more time there, which was hinted at in recent press conferences, or we spend a unconventionally high (Rd 1-3) pick on a LB?
The team could also go back to using three safeties in obvious passing situations. Something Spags did his first tenure with the Giants.
RE: RE: While Robinson was better in coverage  
Suburbanites : 3/13/2017 4:48 pm : link
In comment 13391888 Brown Recluse said:
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Than what we're use to seeing, that really says something about how piss poor our LB covering people has been over the last 3 or 4 years. Robinson was decent, not great, and replaceable. Perhaps Goodwin gets more time there, which was hinted at in recent press conferences, or we spend a unconventionally high (Rd 1-3) pick on a LB?



My impression of Goodson is that he is a thumper. Not a coverage LB. Maybe I'm wrong.


No you're not wrong, that's exactly what he is, he's a thumper. He'll be given every chance to win the MIKE spot this season which is his best position. He could probably be a decent SAM but a WILL he's not and never will be.
RE: Haason Reddick in the first baby  
Rjanyg : 3/13/2017 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13391640 adamg said:
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Make it happen Reese


Possible. I love Reddick.
Jerry got any possible $  
Stratman : 3/13/2017 4:56 pm : link
available for Robinson. That doesn't make sense to me. Robinson was a 1st round pick. Injuries hurt his value but he played darn well last year. Better than Jerry.
Robinson was a 4th rd pick  
beatrixkiddo : 3/13/2017 5:20 pm : link
not a 1st rounder. That Said, It would be really disappointing to see the guy let go after what he showed last year.
Signing Jerry before Robinson  
RetroJint : 3/13/2017 5:31 pm : link
Is very troubling , to say the least.
If Reddick is the target  
Marty866b : 3/13/2017 5:38 pm : link
Then I can see why they would let Robinson go. Otherwise?
I would like to see them keep Robinson for the right money...  
Milton : 3/13/2017 5:58 pm : link
But remember what happened with the oft-injured Jon Beason. He had one healthy year with the Giants so they signed him to a longterm deal and then he return to his oft-injured ways. This was also my concern when they were sniffing around Okung.

The upside of losing Robinson is his place in the comp pick formula.

As it stands right now, Robinson, Newhouse, and Gould all "potentially" count as losses and only Ellison counts as a gain (as far as comp picks are concerned). I put potentially in quotes because it depends on the contract, but if they are multi-year deals that average over $1M in annual compensation, they will count for at least 7th round value. When Hankins signs with another team, it will likely be for an amount that counts 4th or 5th round value. I would peg Ellison's contract at 5th or 6th round value by comparison.

Here's a little something form OTC on the subject...
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Methodology:

Each qualifying player has a value based on his contract, playing time and postseason honors, and that value corresponds to a round in the draft. In the compensatory equation, each qualifying player that a team signs cancels out a qualifying player that the team lost whose value is the highest in the same round. If there are no lost players remaining in that round, the signed player cancels out the lost player whose value is the next-highest. A signed player will cancel out a lost player whose value falls in a higher round only if there are no remaining lost players. After all of a teamís qualifying signed players have canceled out a lost player, the team can receive a comp pick for each qualifying player who remains. For example, consider a team that loses one qualifying player whose value falls in the third round and another qualifying player whose value falls in the sixth round but signs a qualifying player whose value falls in the third round. That team would receive a sixth-round comp pick because the signed player would cancel out the loss of the higher-valued player. If the signed playerís value were equal to a fourth-round pick or lower, however, the team would receive a third-round comp pick, because the signed player would cancel out the loss of the lower-valued player.

Determining Adjusted APY
The first phase necessary to execute these cancellations are to value each UFA that changed teams. OTCís program does this by using the following steps:
Start with the actual APY of the contract signed.
Subtract from the actual APY any money that the compensatory formula does not count. It has been determined that workout bonuses, incentives, and salary escalators are the most common money figures that the compensatory formula does not count.
Adjust the APY by applying a coefficient based upon the percentage of offensive or defensive snaps the player took in his first year under the contract. OTCís current adjustment uses 45% of the snaps as a base (a percentage that has been observed to be important for playing time for NFL contracts in general), in which a player who plays this amount will see no change, and for most players the adjustment will range to -9% (at 0% of the snaps) to +9% (at 90% of the snaps). For players who played more than 90% of the snaps, this playing time adjustment will get a 50% bonus, meaning that the maximum increase possible (for someone who played 100% of the snaps) is 16.5%.
Apply a positive coefficient to each UFA that obtained postseason honors. Currently, there is not enough data for OTC to reliably apply the coefficient. However, it is believed that postseason honors adjustments are smaller than playing time adjustments, and there are typically very few relevant CFAs that obtain them to begin with. It is believed that the postseason honors used in the compensatory formula are the ones explicitly listed in the CBA. These honors are Pro Bowl, All-NFL (First and Second Team), All-Conference (First and Second Team), Super Bowl MVP, NFL MVP, Offensive Player of the Year (NFL or Conference), Defensive Player of the Year (NFL or Conference), and Player of the Year (NFL or Conference).
Qualifying CFAs And Assigning Them To A Round
Once an adjusted APY has been determined, each UFA is given a value that either assigns him as a CFA to a particular round, ranging from the 3rd to the 7th, or does not qualify him as a CFA at all. For years, this assignment has been considered by far the hardest part of the formula to project. When Adam did his projections, he observed that by year to year the cutoff points for each assignment appeared to increase at the same rate as the salary cap. Therefore his solution to address this difficulty was to increase the cutoff points at the same rate. However, when OTC investigated the 2013 to 2015 compensatory draft pick awardings, we were unable to find a reliable way to apply such an increase. Nonetheless, in the past we continued to use Adamís method as there was no clearly superior alternative available.



Basics and methodology on figuring comp picks - ( New Window )
I'm hopeful that Robinson enjoyed playing for Spags  
Big Blue '56 : 3/13/2017 5:58 pm : link
well enough to possibly bring back any offer(s) to us for the option to match
I really didn't want to lose him...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/13/2017 6:28 pm : link
IMO he was a key contributor to one of the major successes of this defense - getting off the field on third downs.

Poor LB coverage killed us in the past. I don't want to go back to that.

If they are truly looking at both Fluker/Jerry for the RG position I would have rather picked only one and signed this guy. I've seen too many LBers get beat in coverage to prefer spending millions on backup RG while we lose the best coverage lber we've had in years.
I Praised Robinson Throughout the Season  
Suburbanites : 3/13/2017 7:27 pm : link
And I don't want to lose him, but if they do, I think we'll see a lot of 3 safety sets. They love Darian Thompson and Anthony Adams played very well in his absence. I anticipate a lot of formations with Goodson and Kennard at LB, Thompson in kind of a Shaq Thompson like hybrid role with Adams and Collins at FS and SS.
I believe in Goodson  
allstarjim : 3/13/2017 8:55 pm : link
He was a Giants' target in my mind pre-draft last year, he has tremendous football instincts and leadership, and I think he will rise to the occasion. He's not as range-y maybe as Robinson, but his football instincts cover for a lot. I think people will be surprised... and I think he'll be the starter at MLB for the next 3 years and potentially longer.
If goes to bengals  
micky : 3/13/2017 10:20 pm : link
Herz probably takes his spot
RE: If goes to bengals  
mphbullet36 : 3/13/2017 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13392234 micky said:
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Herz probably takes his spot

lol this made my chuckle...
RE: I Praised Robinson Throughout the Season  
HomerJones45 : 3/13/2017 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13392072 Suburbanites said:
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And I don't want to lose him, but if they do, I think we'll see a lot of 3 safety sets. They love Darian Thompson and Anthony Adams played very well in his absence. I anticipate a lot of formations with Goodson and Kennard at LB, Thompson in kind of a Shaq Thompson like hybrid role with Adams and Collins at FS and SS.
that may be the direction they are heading
What I don't understand  
Fred-in-Florida : 3/14/2017 5:32 am : link
is why they've kept Thomas and not signed Robinson. From what I've read Thomas cap is about 3 million. Unless Robinson is asking for much more seems like a no brainer to me.

As stated many times above, Robinson played very well and was an important part of the Defense. Thomas has been hurt both years he's been here.
If goes to bengals Herz probably takes his spot  
Torrag : 3/14/2017 7:28 am : link
Hahaha
It would hurt to lose him  
Torrag : 3/14/2017 7:31 am : link
It's taken a wile to get an effective player in that slot for us. Years in fact. Unless his contract demands are out of whack we should push hard to re-sign him.

On the flip side Haason Reddick would look damn fine in a blue jersey.
RE: I Praised Robinson Throughout the Season  
TyFromQueens : 3/14/2017 8:44 am : link
In comment 13392072 Suburbanites said:
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And I don't want to lose him, but if they do, I think we'll see a lot of 3 safety sets. They love Darian Thompson and Anthony Adams played very well in his absence. I anticipate a lot of formations with Goodson and Kennard at LB, Thompson in kind of a Shaq Thompson like hybrid role with Adams and Collins at FS and SS.


I came into this thread to say exactly what you posted.
It's not really a loss per say,but it does take away a scheme or two we could imploy.
But then again,being able to put basically two free safeties on the field,or two SS with Berhe and Collins will give us similar flexibility.
You have to let your young guys step in  
AnnapolisMike : 3/14/2017 8:52 am : link
If the Giants feel Goodson can play then that is the direction they should go. Maybe Goodson can step up like Collins stepped up last season.
RE: I Praised Robinson Throughout the Season  
Brown Recluse : 3/14/2017 8:53 am : link
In comment 13392072 Suburbanites said:
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And I don't want to lose him, but if they do, I think we'll see a lot of 3 safety sets. They love Darian Thompson and Anthony Adams played very well in his absence. I anticipate a lot of formations with Goodson and Kennard at LB, Thompson in kind of a Shaq Thompson like hybrid role with Adams and Collins at FS and SS.


It is not a good idea to rest your laurels on players that cannot stay healthy. Thompson has had injury issues dating back to college. To rely on him is a recipe for disaster at this point and one the Giants have already suffered from numerous times over the years.
I'll say the same thing about Robinson that I said about Hankins.  
Klaatu : 3/14/2017 10:11 am : link
Even if the Giants do re-sign him - even if they let him walk and sign another UFA LB, a guy like Andrew Gachkar - it would serve them well to draft a LB this year {preferably one who can play multiple positions) and get him in the pipeline now.
Bye..  
Dillon in Va : 3/14/2017 10:39 am : link
I am ok with Robinson signing elsewhere as long as we drop Thomas too and use that money to bring in Gerald Hodges. Hodges can make some impact plays. Robinson was good in a few games but mostly just ok for me. I would give Ishaq Williams a real chance to earn a spot for depth and spend a draft pick on a LB.

So, cut Thomas; let Robinson sign elsewhere and add Hodges, play Ishaq Williams and draft a LB.
It's about freakin' time,  
Doomster : 3/14/2017 1:00 pm : link
that we finally hit on a LB in the draft....it could happen.....just don't hold your breath....
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