He can be counted on to play 16 games. He won't be going to any Pro-Bowls, but either is anyone else on our line. I'd draft Pugh's replacement and let everyone duke it out. If the rookie comes along and shows some talent in OTAs, then cut Pugh. We'll gain $5 mil in this year's cap just by the difference between Pugh's 5th year option and what Jerry signed for.
go with up front, and if you believe in Flowers and Hart, o-line can quickly become a strength with solid depth.
Richburg starts at C.
Pugh can play LG or LT.
Flowers can play LT or RT.
Fluker can play RG or RT.
Plus you have Hart, Jerry and a potential early draft pick. After the signings of Fluker and Jerry though, I don't think you'll see an OL with a first round pick.
I still think McAdoo would like one of the TEs or McCaffrey. We'll see.
the only lineman worth a damn this period were Whitworth and Zeitler, and there's just no way in hell we were paying them that they got. Based on our cap, our own players, and our need to draft and develop young OL talent, we weren't even in consideration for that.
We need to beef up the line with competition and talent. Fluker was a solid move in that direction. Jerry isn't a world beater but he knows the offense and can be a good veteran on the club for young OL that we draft.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
He can be counted on to play 16 games. He won't be going to any Pro-Bowls, but either is anyone else on our line. I'd draft Pugh's replacement and let everyone duke it out. If the rookie comes along and shows some talent in OTAs, then cut Pugh. We'll gain $5 mil in this year's cap just by the difference between Pugh's 5th year option and what Jerry signed for.
Cut Pugh 😂
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I look forward to your post after his extension at 10 mil/year and he misses his first game to keep his injury streak alive. The reality is that as Giants fans we overvalue the talent on this team and fall in love with draft picks. But if Pugh was on any other team and hit FA with his injury history and then signed for 10mil/yr with the Giants, Reese would be killed.
RE: Some of you are such whiners when it comes to the OL
He got way too much shit on this board. The guy is an average OL. Below-average run blocking, above-average pass blocking. He is what he is. At the very least, we have competition on the right side now, and a competent backup regardless of who wins.
I very much doubt we are done adding the OL as well. There is this whole thing called the NFL Draft coming up. I have no problem with this signing.
Brutal... Jerry? I have to watch his pathetic ass for 3 more years? It isnt too comforting knowing 4/5 of the same OL starters will be back at their positions, especially Flowers back at LT and Jerry at RG..
minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
God forbid that I suggest that the team may not have been as good as their 11-5 record indicated and that a few bounces here or there and things could easily have been different. I'm sorry I have a much different opinion of the state of this team than the learned cognoscenti here. God this place has become insufferable.
minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
the Patriots have won 6 Super Bowls? And could have beaten the '86 Bears?
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
God forbid that I suggest that the team may not have been as good as their 11-5 record indicated and that a few bounces here or there and things could easily have been different. I'm sorry I have a much different opinion of the state of this team than the learned cognoscenti here. God this place has become insufferable.
That's the whole point. A few bounces here and there and many(most?) teams records would/could be different..Those are facts for MOST/ALL teams, so not understanding this particular point of yours given that's what happens in ALL sports..Why be so defensive? I never considered myself a "learned cognoscenti."
Yes. I think Fluker will be a major upgrade from Newhouse. I like Hart as the 6th OL. Drafting a OL is still pretty important. But this looks like the opening day OL.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
the Patriots have won 6 Super Bowls? And could have beaten the '86 Bears?
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
the Patriots have won 6 Super Bowls? And could have beaten the '86 Bears?
Ereck Flowers, D.J. Fluker, Bobby Hart, Michael Bowie, Justin Pugh, Adam Gettis, Jon Halapio, Martin Wallace, Weston Richburg, Brett Jones and Khaled Holmes.
As I count it, that is five guys that can play some (maybe 6 with Jones) and a bunch of guys who could appear on a milk carton. So signing Jerry can't possibly be a bad thing. Hopefully he never sees the field (because there are five guys who are better), but injuries do happen and you need guys like this.
Would we all like to have signed a bunch of all-pros for vet minimum? Sure but that isn't the way it works. Frankly, I don't love Jerry, but I am not sure I would like Jon Halapio, Martin Wallace or Khaled Holmes a lot better.
For all the shit the OL gets for last season, the skill positions were AWFUL.
Eli can mask alot of skill position deficiencies, but even he did not have his best season last year.
Let's see this offensive line can do with legitimate TEs, RBs and more weapons like Marshall and hopefully some early draft picks at skill positions.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
But they better not have any grandiose ideas of giving him his RG gig back. He can't run block, I'd like to see the Mauling Mountie be the number one interior lineman coming off the bench. In fairness to Jerry, he was originally signed as a depth guy and got pushed into a starting role because of personnel neglect by JR.
For all the shit the OL gets for last season, the skill positions were AWFUL.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
The skill positions were not winning their matchups early last year. Better skill position play reduces the amount of time the QB has to hold the ball and the line has to hold their blocks.
Cut Pugh 😂
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is brutal.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Who cares how much they won by?
Richburg starts at C.
Pugh can play LG or LT.
Flowers can play LT or RT.
Fluker can play RG or RT.
Plus you have Hart, Jerry and a potential early draft pick. After the signings of Fluker and Jerry though, I don't think you'll see an OL with a first round pick.
I still think McAdoo would like one of the TEs or McCaffrey. We'll see.
We need to beef up the line with competition and talent. Fluker was a solid move in that direction. Jerry isn't a world beater but he knows the offense and can be a good veteran on the club for young OL that we draft.
Watch how much better this OL will look with RBs that can hit a hole consistently or TEs that can actually help out on an edge rush.
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is brutal.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
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He can be counted on to play 16 games. He won't be going to any Pro-Bowls, but either is anyone else on our line. I'd draft Pugh's replacement and let everyone duke it out. If the rookie comes along and shows some talent in OTAs, then cut Pugh. We'll gain $5 mil in this year's cap just by the difference between Pugh's 5th year option and what Jerry signed for.
Cut Pugh 😂
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I look forward to your post after his extension at 10 mil/year and he misses his first game to keep his injury streak alive. The reality is that as Giants fans we overvalue the talent on this team and fall in love with draft picks. But if Pugh was on any other team and hit FA with his injury history and then signed for 10mil/yr with the Giants, Reese would be killed.
Watch how much better this OL will look with RBs that can hit a hole consistently or TEs that can actually help out on an edge rush.
Man, I hope the Giants are paying some of you guys top dollar. You certainly deserve it.
Watch how much better this OL will look with RBs that can hit a hole consistently or TEs that can actually help out on an edge rush.
Good point of course, but remember who you're talking to..
I very much doubt we are done adding the OL as well. There is this whole thing called the NFL Draft coming up. I have no problem with this signing.
So the Giants bring back one of the problems, and now it's "Solid move"?
I guess I'm just missing something.
This doesn't rule out OT at #23, just don't force the pick.
This doesn't rule out OT at #23, just don't force the pick.
Who might be there at 23 that you don't believe would be a 'forced pick?'
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
I think this signing clarifies that Flowers will be back at Left Tackle.
This doesn't rule out OT at #23, just don't force the pick.
Bolles and Ramczyk will likely be gone. I'm beginning to think Reese may do the unthinkable and draft Mahomes.
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is brutal.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
God forbid that I suggest that the team may not have been as good as their 11-5 record indicated and that a few bounces here or there and things could easily have been different. I'm sorry I have a much different opinion of the state of this team than the learned cognoscenti here. God this place has become insufferable.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
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is brutal.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
the Patriots have won 6 Super Bowls? And could have beaten the '86 Bears?
I know some here say he is a "lousy run blocker" but is that accurate?
So the Giants bring back one of the problems, and now it's "Solid move"?
I guess I'm just missing something.
Exactly
Eli can mask alot of skill position deficiencies, but even he did not have his best season last year.
Let's see this offensive line can do with legitimate TEs, RBs and more weapons like Marshall and hopefully some early draft picks at skill positions.
I think they go TE, RB, or CB in the first round and grab a developmental OL in the latter rounds.
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is brutal.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
God forbid that I suggest that the team may not have been as good as their 11-5 record indicated and that a few bounces here or there and things could easily have been different. I'm sorry I have a much different opinion of the state of this team than the learned cognoscenti here. God this place has become insufferable.
That's the whole point. A few bounces here and there and many(most?) teams records would/could be different..Those are facts for MOST/ALL teams, so not understanding this particular point of yours given that's what happens in ALL sports..Why be so defensive? I never considered myself a "learned cognoscenti."
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker
Yes. I think Fluker will be a major upgrade from Newhouse. I like Hart as the 6th OL. Drafting a OL is still pretty important. But this looks like the opening day OL.
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is brutal.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
the Patriots have won 6 Super Bowls? And could have beaten the '86 Bears?
Fucking sorry..5
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is brutal.
Must have been tough for you to see them win 11 games last year.
With all due respect, we won four games last year by three points or less that could have gone the other way. The previous year it was the opposite.
Seriously? How many narrow wins did the Cowboys have? When is that ever relevant in sports? The Patriots won 6 of their SBs (by 3 points each?), that could have gone either way. They should have lost to the Seahawks, even the Falcons..In short, they could be 0-9 or 9-0
the Patriots have won 6 Super Bowls? And could have beaten the '86 Bears?
Fucking sorry..5
Why so tense? Everything alright at home?
Ereck Flowers, D.J. Fluker, Bobby Hart, Michael Bowie, Justin Pugh, Adam Gettis, Jon Halapio, Martin Wallace, Weston Richburg, Brett Jones and Khaled Holmes.
As I count it, that is five guys that can play some (maybe 6 with Jones) and a bunch of guys who could appear on a milk carton. So signing Jerry can't possibly be a bad thing. Hopefully he never sees the field (because there are five guys who are better), but injuries do happen and you need guys like this.
Would we all like to have signed a bunch of all-pros for vet minimum? Sure but that isn't the way it works. Frankly, I don't love Jerry, but I am not sure I would like Jon Halapio, Martin Wallace or Khaled Holmes a lot better.
Eli can mask alot of skill position deficiencies, but even he did not have his best season last year.
Let's see this offensive line can do with legitimate TEs, RBs and more weapons like Marshall and hopefully some early draft picks at skill positions.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
Hopefully he and Richberg can get Flowers to the Lebentley Charles camp!
Hopefully he and Richberg can get Flowers to the Lebentley Charles camp!
But he did get Eli killed.
Makes you wonder how many times that might have happened.
A running back great at pass pro can pickup an o-lineman who's been beaten or an assignment that's been missed up front.
TEs can do wonders in protection.
Hopefully he and Richberg can get Flowers to the Lebentley Charles camp!
That's a pretty funny mis-type of LeCharles Bentley
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For all the shit the OL gets for last season, the skill positions were AWFUL.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
The skill positions were not winning their matchups early last year. Better skill position play reduces the amount of time the QB has to hold the ball and the line has to hold their blocks.