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For all the shit the OL gets for last season, the skill positions were AWFUL.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
The skill positions were not winning their matchups early last year. Better skill position play reduces the amount of time the QB has to hold the ball and the line has to hold their blocks.
Give him credit, he did the work necessary to become a better player.
Perhaps we will see more improvement this off season.
he didn't become a better Run blocker! He was stood up at the line by Linebackers and Safeties. He has no technique and can not push off. He becomes something you have to run around not through. 11 games went right to Reese's head.
to develop an offensive line. If two 1's and a 2 are not a solid foundation, there was not much could be done this off season to fix that.
None of the free agent OL warranted the type of money they were commanding.
Reese should be held accountable for the mess this line was last season, but I don't know what he could have done differently this off season than what he has done.
In comment 13391855 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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In comment 13391841 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13391820 Chris684 said:
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For all the shit the OL gets for last season, the skill positions were AWFUL.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
The skill positions were not winning their matchups early last year. Better skill position play reduces the amount of time the QB has to hold the ball and the line has to hold their blocks.
Eli got the ball out faster than all but one other QB (out of 40 qualifying) last season.
He needs to be allowed to and have the confidence to get it out less quickly, if anything, not quicker. Even with likely better skill players.
RE: RE: The guy worked hard last off season and improved
Give him credit, he did the work necessary to become a better player.
Perhaps we will see more improvement this off season.
he didn't become a better Run blocker! He was stood up at the line by Linebackers and Safeties. He has no technique and can not push off. He becomes something you have to run around not through. 11 games went right to Reese's head.
Show me one play where a safety single handedly stood up Jerry. Me thinks you are full of mierda. I middle linebacker, maybe.
RE: RE: The guy worked hard last off season and improved
Give him credit, he did the work necessary to become a better player.
Perhaps we will see more improvement this off season.
he didn't become a better Run blocker! He was stood up at the line by Linebackers and Safeties. He has no technique and can not push off. He becomes something you have to run around not through. 11 games went right to Reese's head.
I agree, I give him credit for working so hard at camp Bentley but unfortunately effort and determination can't completely erase talent deficiencies. At this stage of his career we know what Jerry is, a decent backup NFL guard.
didn't we spend this money on Robinson? Or will we have to spend another year watching TEs split us down the seam because we don't have a LB who can cover? Too expensive.
Given the crazy amount of money we had in the 2016 offseason,
We can win with Jerry playing. He messed up in that clip against the Skins but his body of work shows he is a good pass blocker. Mediocre starter and would be a very good backup. The organization knows him well and if they think he's worth bringing back,then he most likely is.
RE: Given the crazy amount of money we had in the 2016 offseason,
to grab a RT(Everybody knew the Giants wanted Conklin) in the first round.
I bet the Eagle and Cowboy and Redskins Defensive linemen are laughing about this.
minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
;)
don't lines improve with continuity so keeping 4 repeating starters should be good since the y know each others strengths and weaknesses
so improvement is a possibility especially when 3 of the starters are young players and need coaching up
Pretty much.
Likely bottom of the league (again) as well. Defense better be lights out again just to qualify for the playoffs. Likely zero advancement in the playoffs should we get there.
minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
;)
don't lines improve with continuity so keeping 4 repeating starters should be good since the y know each others strengths and weaknesses
so improvement is a possibility especially when 3 of the starters are young players and need coaching up
minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
;)
don't lines improve with continuity so keeping 4 repeating starters should be good since the y know each others strengths and weaknesses
so improvement is a possibility especially when 3 of the starters are young players and need coaching up
Yes, lines can improve with continuity. But if there's not enough talent, continuity doesn't matter
Is comforting. He knows how to play and knows the Giants. His absence would have been a problem. This and signing Fluker for RT opens up all kinds of possibilities for OL drafting where the ability to start right away is not a requirement.
when McAdoo shifted blame from the OL onto Eli during the combine interview. He knew we'd be trotting out the same garbage next season and wanted to soften the blow. Flowers, Hart, Fluker and Jerry are all below average linemen. Pugh's good, and Richburg is pretty solid. Add it up and the line still blows. I hope there's someone there at #23 who they love.
In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
Well it seems pretty clear from that gif that Weston was supposed to slide his protection to Jerry and that Jerry was expecting help on the inside. Richburg even throws his hands to his helmet when he realizes what he just let happen. it is hard to see from that angle but it looks like he really screwed up his assignment and ended up basically blocking nobody on a rush that sacked the quarterback on his primary gap.
Protects us a little bit next year as well.....If we can not sign Pugh/Fluker.
I am not a big fan....But the reality of this market is the $$$$$ are out of control.....We now can assure that we are not desperate to start a rookie.
Get Ryan Clady and I will be very Happy......
True competition!
a starting OL of Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker entering the 2017 season is something that I would deem an organizational failure.
And if we didn't spend on defense last year we would have been lucky to finish .500. Unlike you, I never saw this offense becoming an unstoppable force last year with a few extra pieces. Eli has never been a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady rack-up-the-points QB, for starters, and he's more inconsistent at this stage of his career.
I'm not too enthused about the current OL, but it's not all on them. Eli has to play better (sure he was pressured quite a bit, but there were a lot of plays where he had time and bailed out too early), the skill positions need a talent infusion (hopefully Marshall, Perkins, new RB can help), and a TE that can seal the edge on blocks can make a difference. Oh, and McAdoo could freshen up the play-calling too.
In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
Well it seems pretty clear from that gif that Weston was supposed to slide his protection to Jerry and that Jerry was expecting help on the inside. Richburg even throws his hands to his helmet when he realizes what he just let happen. it is hard to see from that angle but it looks like he really screwed up his assignment and ended up basically blocking nobody on a rush that sacked the quarterback on his primary gap.
It is exactly what happened. It doesn't fit the popular narrative of BBI that Jerry sucks and almost got Eli killed.
In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
Well it seems pretty clear from that gif that Weston was supposed to slide his protection to Jerry and that Jerry was expecting help on the inside. Richburg even throws his hands to his helmet when he realizes what he just let happen. it is hard to see from that angle but it looks like he really screwed up his assignment and ended up basically blocking nobody on a rush that sacked the quarterback on his primary gap.
It is exactly what happened. It doesn't fit the popular narrative of BBI that Jerry sucks and almost got Eli killed.
That hit lead to the great performances by Eli in Minn and Green bay where he got rid of the ball when someone got close because he couldn't take another hit.
a starting OL of Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker entering the 2017 season is something that I would deem an organizational failure.
Because you would have signed whom, instead? And you should incorporate that not plying those dollars into the D would have left the talent from 2015 returning in 2016 into your answer.
This was a necessity, don't know what the complaining is, Hankins is not a necessity, it is a great draft for DT, we have Snacks who is way better, Hankins was never a good option for the money he wants, we needed to keep jerry, now we add a player or two in the draft and we are good to go on the Oline, we also need a couple of players on the Dline.
We have an overwhelming weakness in a weak free agency season and draft, for Offensive Linemen. Besides not having the Cap Space to do so, I personally am happy the Giants did not attempt to pay Kahil, Reemers, etc., some of the crazy money they received.
JJ doesn't rock my world, but we need his body in camp, along with our 1st or 2nd Rd. O Linemen. Heres hoping one , of these guys posted above makes it through: The high pre-season choice, who fell a ton, and is now climbing back up the boards, to me seems to be Robinson. All the knocks on Ramcyxk and Bolles seems to basically say not worthy top 10-15 pick. But their value/bpa, seems to be falling in line with 23. Personally if Lamp or Dawkins project as a higher floor/ceiling Guard, then Ramcyzk or Bolles at Tackle, I just want a quality player who will win his match-up. Give me the Guard.
Ramcyzk
Bolles
Lamp
Robinson
Feeney
Moton
Dawkins
outside of a shock FA move you have to hope you can get some depth at OL in the first 3 rounds, even if just at guard to protect against Pugh leaving and provide depth options. Hart is nice depth as it stands and the Canadian might be ok. Would like to add a top 100 pick to the mix though.
Reese likes DE's and with JPP up in the air, a DE would be logical
Unless someone takes him first Reese is in love with the TE from Miami and everyone knows it. I am hoping he is gone by our pick because to me he is a big WR not a Blocking TE two way player we need.
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He's cheap, reliable, and won't get Eli killed.
Hopefully he and Richberg can get Flowers to the Lebentley Charles camp!
That's a pretty funny mis-type of LeCharles Bentley
God Damnit
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In comment 13391820 Chris684 said:
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For all the shit the OL gets for last season, the skill positions were AWFUL.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
The skill positions were not winning their matchups early last year. Better skill position play reduces the amount of time the QB has to hold the ball and the line has to hold their blocks.
-----> and the line has to hold their blocks
Perhaps we will see more improvement this off season.
In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What if the John Jerry BBI troll is Jerry Reese?
Perhaps we will see more improvement this off season.
he didn't become a better Run blocker! He was stood up at the line by Linebackers and Safeties. He has no technique and can not push off. He becomes something you have to run around not through. 11 games went right to Reese's head.
None of the free agent OL warranted the type of money they were commanding.
Reese should be held accountable for the mess this line was last season, but I don't know what he could have done differently this off season than what he has done.
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In comment 13391820 Chris684 said:
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For all the shit the OL gets for last season, the skill positions were AWFUL.
Your insinuation that skill positions will improve the OL's pass blocking is backwards. The ball starts in the QBs hands and is distributed from there.
The skill positions were not winning their matchups early last year. Better skill position play reduces the amount of time the QB has to hold the ball and the line has to hold their blocks.
Eli got the ball out faster than all but one other QB (out of 40 qualifying) last season.
He needs to be allowed to and have the confidence to get it out less quickly, if anything, not quicker. Even with likely better skill players.
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Give him credit, he did the work necessary to become a better player.
Perhaps we will see more improvement this off season.
he didn't become a better Run blocker! He was stood up at the line by Linebackers and Safeties. He has no technique and can not push off. He becomes something you have to run around not through. 11 games went right to Reese's head.
Show me one play where a safety single handedly stood up Jerry. Me thinks you are full of mierda. I middle linebacker, maybe.
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Give him credit, he did the work necessary to become a better player.
Perhaps we will see more improvement this off season.
he didn't become a better Run blocker! He was stood up at the line by Linebackers and Safeties. He has no technique and can not push off. He becomes something you have to run around not through. 11 games went right to Reese's head.
I agree, I give him credit for working so hard at camp Bentley but unfortunately effort and determination can't completely erase talent deficiencies. At this stage of his career we know what Jerry is, a decent backup NFL guard.
Bingo!!
I bet the Eagle and Cowboy and Redskins Defensive linemen are laughing about this.
Ramcyzk
Bolles
Lamp
Robinson
Feeney
Moton
Dawkins
in the draft.
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minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
;)
don't lines improve with continuity so keeping 4 repeating starters should be good since the y know each others strengths and weaknesses
so improvement is a possibility especially when 3 of the starters are young players and need coaching up
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker
Pretty much.
Likely bottom of the league (again) as well. Defense better be lights out again just to qualify for the playoffs. Likely zero advancement in the playoffs should we get there.
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minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
;)
don't lines improve with continuity so keeping 4 repeating starters should be good since the y know each others strengths and weaknesses
so improvement is a possibility especially when 3 of the starters are young players and need coaching up
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minus a miracle the Giants OL will suck again next year.
This team is like 5 days into the new calendar year. They have the rest of FA, the draft, June 1st cuts, not to mention another whole offseason program to develop and re-shape the roster and yet Dave in Hoboken KNOWS the OL will suck again next year!
Makes sense, Got it!
Dude, they're bringing back 4 out of 5 players from last year's line. We're not drafting some blue chip OT at #23 or in the later rounds who's coming in ready to play and dominate from year 1, barring something extremely unforeseen. I didn't say it wasn't possible for them to improve..
;)
don't lines improve with continuity so keeping 4 repeating starters should be good since the y know each others strengths and weaknesses
so improvement is a possibility especially when 3 of the starters are young players and need coaching up
Yes, lines can improve with continuity. But if there's not enough talent, continuity doesn't matter
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In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
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Eli can mask alot of skill position deficiencies, but even he did not have his best season last year.
Let's see this offensive line can do with legitimate TEs, RBs and more weapons like Marshall and hopefully some early draft picks at skill positions.
Solid point.
I am hoping we draft a great Tight End.
Excited about Marshall and Perkins (as starter)
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In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
Well it seems pretty clear from that gif that Weston was supposed to slide his protection to Jerry and that Jerry was expecting help on the inside. Richburg even throws his hands to his helmet when he realizes what he just let happen. it is hard to see from that angle but it looks like he really screwed up his assignment and ended up basically blocking nobody on a rush that sacked the quarterback on his primary gap.
The same Walter Football that basically said the team went 11-5 in spite of Eli?
I am not a big fan....But the reality of this market is the $$$$$ are out of control.....We now can assure that we are not desperate to start a rookie.
Get Ryan Clady and I will be very Happy......
True competition!
What if the John Jerry BBI troll is Jerry Reese?
I can see that lol
There's truth to this.
And if we didn't spend on defense last year we would have been lucky to finish .500. Unlike you, I never saw this offense becoming an unstoppable force last year with a few extra pieces. Eli has never been a Peyton Manning/Tom Brady rack-up-the-points QB, for starters, and he's more inconsistent at this stage of his career.
I'm not too enthused about the current OL, but it's not all on them. Eli has to play better (sure he was pressured quite a bit, but there were a lot of plays where he had time and bailed out too early), the skill positions need a talent infusion (hopefully Marshall, Perkins, new RB can help), and a TE that can seal the edge on blocks can make a difference. Oh, and McAdoo could freshen up the play-calling too.
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In comment 13391825 bceagle05 said:
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In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
Well it seems pretty clear from that gif that Weston was supposed to slide his protection to Jerry and that Jerry was expecting help on the inside. Richburg even throws his hands to his helmet when he realizes what he just let happen. it is hard to see from that angle but it looks like he really screwed up his assignment and ended up basically blocking nobody on a rush that sacked the quarterback on his primary gap.
It is exactly what happened. It doesn't fit the popular narrative of BBI that Jerry sucks and almost got Eli killed.
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In comment 13391868 shelovesnycsports said:
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In comment 13391825 bceagle05 said:
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In all fairness that is Richburg who almost got Eli Killed.
What are you watching? Baker obliterated Jerry there and knocked Eli into next week. That hit f'ed Eli up the rest of the year. He wasn't the same guy.
Well it seems pretty clear from that gif that Weston was supposed to slide his protection to Jerry and that Jerry was expecting help on the inside. Richburg even throws his hands to his helmet when he realizes what he just let happen. it is hard to see from that angle but it looks like he really screwed up his assignment and ended up basically blocking nobody on a rush that sacked the quarterback on his primary gap.
It is exactly what happened. It doesn't fit the popular narrative of BBI that Jerry sucks and almost got Eli killed.
That hit lead to the great performances by Eli in Minn and Green bay where he got rid of the ball when someone got close because he couldn't take another hit.
Fluker vs Jerry for RG
Because you would have signed whom, instead? And you should incorporate that not plying those dollars into the D would have left the talent from 2015 returning in 2016 into your answer.
I was really hoping for a fluker and Hart combo on the right side.
JJ doesn't rock my world, but we need his body in camp, along with our 1st or 2nd Rd. O Linemen. Heres hoping one , of these guys posted above makes it through: The high pre-season choice, who fell a ton, and is now climbing back up the boards, to me seems to be Robinson. All the knocks on Ramcyxk and Bolles seems to basically say not worthy top 10-15 pick. But their value/bpa, seems to be falling in line with 23. Personally if Lamp or Dawkins project as a higher floor/ceiling Guard, then Ramcyzk or Bolles at Tackle, I just want a quality player who will win his match-up. Give me the Guard.
Ramcyzk
Bolles
Lamp
Robinson
Feeney
Moton
Dawkins
Reese likes DE's and with JPP up in the air, a DE would be logical
Actually, possible starter or AT THE VERY LEAST, solid depth
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not a lineman.
Reese likes DE's and with JPP up in the air, a DE would be logical
Unless someone takes him first Reese is in love with the TE from Miami and everyone knows it. I am hoping he is gone by our pick because to me he is a big WR not a Blocking TE two way player we need.