If you think Eli has multiple (i.e. =& gt; 3) productive years left, please ignore. If you think there is reason to draft the next QB especially with no viable backup on the roster, read on:
Trubisky almost definitely will be gone. Despite somewhat questionable tools (arm strength), Watson is likely to go in top half of the round.
Kizer didn't have the greatest of combines but has the measurables and favorable reputation about intangibles (intelligence, character etc.) to warrant a top 15 pick. If, by chance, he is there...do you take him?
Mahomes is the ultimate wildcard. Superior arm + very good athletic ability and a willingness to play Favre style makes him the most interesting QB in a while. While I love the kid (admittedly, I tend to love the QBs with swagger and athletic ability), my concerns are a) while 6'2" 225 looks good on paper, he does look a little slight of build b) his running style isn't like Mariota who never seems to take a big hit; I'd like to see him somewhat less brazen when fleeing the pocket. Anyway, I think he is a certain RD1 pick for somebody. Hard to imagine it would be NYG.
Davis Webb has an impressive skill set. The 800 lb gorilla (negative) is the fact that he played in a system that requires a big learning curve. That hurts his draft status, perhaps to RD2 or 3. Because his timeline is delayed, it may align him more so with teams like NYG, Zona, Pitt and the Chargers (where the incumbent QB still has time, but is way past the halfway point of his career) and less so for teams like NYJ, SF, CLE etc. (teams that need a QB immediately). As it relates to his appeal to the Giants, Webb is the biggest, perhaps the smartest QB in this draft and besides Mahomes has the biggest arm. While he isn't Wentz or Luck athletically, he also isn't as bad an athlete as say Eli or Rivers (or Goff, frankly).
Nathan Peterman has all the intangibles and enough physical ability to be a high end backup or low end starter.
I do not see any other QB in this draft as draft-able. This includes Kaaya, Dobbs etc.
Jerod Evans and Davis Webb are the two I would if I had to draft someone. But, I don't think they offer value to us at this point.
Webb is now probably going in the second round. It's a poor draft for QBs, some scouts think he has a stronger arm than Goff, and his work ethic and intangibles are tremendous.
If the Giants don't get Mahomes or Webb, then they should pass on every other QB. All the rest are just day three picks, and we have had no luck trying to find a QB at that point in the draft.
He's got great size and looks good when you watch his games. I didn't see much of the combine to see what he looked like there. Seems like he can be a true pocket passer though. Still, I wouldn't spend more than a 4th on these QBs.
I think Eli can get us there this year, but next year he might be done.
That said to be fair I've delved into Watson. He checks off a lot of boxes when you're trying to figure out what he'll be at the next level. A legit championship caliber signal caller or a project. Leadership...check. Toughness...check. Arm strength...check. Pocket awareness and maneuverability(a very underrated aspect at the NFL level)...check. Clutch play...check. Poise...check. He gets very high grades in all these areas. I give him a passing grade in accuracy(a little streaky at times).
The only serious question is his progression to reading defenses at the NFL level. His offense at Clemson was limited in this regard. It wasn't a 'one read' system but they limited it. That said he evinced an ability to create when things broke down and has the athleticism to exploit this ability at the next level.
His college production is elite and efficient both with his arm and his legs. He must be accounted for as a scrambler in the red zone and all over the field for that matter.
Again I'm philosophically against drafting a QB with a premium pick in this draft. If the organization does feel Watson is too good to pass on at #23 I could see why. As with all prospects there is projection involved but he could be a special player.
I kind of agree with this. Either we are pushing our chips in with Eli or we are in a moderate rebuild. I don't think we sign Marshall if we are considering a QB in rd 1 of this draft. If it were a QB heavy draft I would feel different but from what I can tell all the QB prospects have major question marks. If we want the Lombardi it's probably best to use resources elsewhere early in the draft.
I also agree with those that would consider taking a guy if the value is there. Would it be so bad to pick up a guy rd 2-4 this year and still leave open the possibility of drafting another QB next year (again if value/fit are there)?
I know Washington is a dumpster fire, and I laughed at them for picking 2 QBs in the same draft, but it did net them a quality QB.
*and yes, I would hate to lose out on whoever would have otherwise been picked, as well as likely carrying 3 QBs on the roster.
a good successor means the window of SB opportunity is now extended for the foreseeable future. Blowing your wad in a gamble on Eli's remaining years means a limited window.
I like Webb a lot, and if he were to drop into the 3rd, I would take a serious look at him.
Not looking forward to seeing what comes after.
College football is bursting with mobile athletes that run relatively complex offenses based on getting the ball out of the quarterback's hands quickly. If we try something different from the franchise model it shouldn't be hard to find candidates and keep the position stocked.
If we insist on finding the next Eli Manning the odds are we're going to be waiting a long, long time.
College football is bursting with mobile athletes that run relatively complex offenses based on getting the ball out of the quarterback's hands quickly. If we try something different from the franchise model it shouldn't be hard to find candidates and keep the position stocked.
If we insist on finding the next Eli Manning the odds are we're going to be waiting a long, long time.
Re Manning, true, though everything is cyclical..