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QB: Is it time to identify our next guy???

JOMO25 : 3/14/2017 10:58 am
If you think Eli has multiple (i.e. =& gt; 3) productive years left, please ignore. If you think there is reason to draft the next QB especially with no viable backup on the roster, read on:

Trubisky almost definitely will be gone. Despite somewhat questionable tools (arm strength), Watson is likely to go in top half of the round.

Kizer didn't have the greatest of combines but has the measurables and favorable reputation about intangibles (intelligence, character etc.) to warrant a top 15 pick. If, by chance, he is there...do you take him?

Mahomes is the ultimate wildcard. Superior arm + very good athletic ability and a willingness to play Favre style makes him the most interesting QB in a while. While I love the kid (admittedly, I tend to love the QBs with swagger and athletic ability), my concerns are a) while 6'2" 225 looks good on paper, he does look a little slight of build b) his running style isn't like Mariota who never seems to take a big hit; I'd like to see him somewhat less brazen when fleeing the pocket. Anyway, I think he is a certain RD1 pick for somebody. Hard to imagine it would be NYG.

Davis Webb has an impressive skill set. The 800 lb gorilla (negative) is the fact that he played in a system that requires a big learning curve. That hurts his draft status, perhaps to RD2 or 3. Because his timeline is delayed, it may align him more so with teams like NYG, Zona, Pitt and the Chargers (where the incumbent QB still has time, but is way past the halfway point of his career) and less so for teams like NYJ, SF, CLE etc. (teams that need a QB immediately). As it relates to his appeal to the Giants, Webb is the biggest, perhaps the smartest QB in this draft and besides Mahomes has the biggest arm. While he isn't Wentz or Luck athletically, he also isn't as bad an athlete as say Eli or Rivers (or Goff, frankly).

Nathan Peterman has all the intangibles and enough physical ability to be a high end backup or low end starter.

I do not see any other QB in this draft as draft-able. This includes Kaaya, Dobbs etc.

Davis Webb is my guy - he has it all and could be our next real QB  
PatersonPlank : 3/14/2017 11:00 am : link
I'd love to grab him in Rd 3 if he is still there
I'm a big fan of Webb as well.  
yatqb : 3/14/2017 11:02 am : link
I love Trubisky, but he'll be long gone, and who knows how he processes information.
Mahomes  
Phil in LA : 3/14/2017 11:03 am : link
Seems like the kind of guy McAdoo would goo for.
Phil in LA  
JOMO25 : 3/14/2017 11:04 am : link
Interesting comment...why do you say that?
I think Eli has ~two years in the tank  
adamg : 3/14/2017 11:06 am : link
and I still wouldn't draft a guy this year.

Jerod Evans and Davis Webb are the two I would if I had to draft someone. But, I don't think they offer value to us at this point.
Mahomes  
AcidTest : 3/14/2017 11:07 am : link
is my dark horse pick for #23. I will try and write up something about why as the draft approaches, but I think there is a real chance he may be the pick. I would not take him at #23. I gave him a third round grade.

Webb is now probably going in the second round. It's a poor draft for QBs, some scouts think he has a stronger arm than Goff, and his work ethic and intangibles are tremendous.

If the Giants don't get Mahomes or Webb, then they should pass on every other QB. All the rest are just day three picks, and we have had no luck trying to find a QB at that point in the draft.
I went into  
JOMO25 : 3/14/2017 11:08 am : link
the combine curious about Evans given his size and athletic ability. I came out very unimpressed with how he threw in the passing drills.
Yes it is time  
Beer Man : 3/14/2017 11:08 am : link
if not this year, then next year. However, I don't see any franchise QRs in this year's draft. But who knows, maybe the team can get lucky and find the next Joe Montana or Tom Brady.
RE: I went into  
adamg : 3/14/2017 11:09 am : link
In comment 13392579 JOMO25 said:
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the combine curious about Evans given his size and athletic ability. I came out very unimpressed with how he threw in the passing drills.


He's got great size and looks good when you watch his games. I didn't see much of the combine to see what he looked like there. Seems like he can be a true pocket passer though. Still, I wouldn't spend more than a 4th on these QBs.
I get the idea of wanting  
JOMO25 : 3/14/2017 11:26 am : link
to devote premium draft picks on immediate needs but I'd rather have Mahomes (RD1) or Webb (RD2) if they have a conviction about the guy than guys in later rounds (I am referring to Kaaya who lacks toughness, Evans who lacks accuracy and may have an intelligence deficit compared to others)
AcidTest  
GeoMan999 : 3/14/2017 11:38 am : link
You have him as a third round pick and you see him as a darkhorse for Giants?
Wouldn't totally shock me if they took Mahomes at 23  
jeff57 : 3/14/2017 11:41 am : link
If Howard and Njoku and a couple of the OL are gone, I could see it happening.
Watson is the only QB I would trust and i would want  
est1986 : 3/14/2017 11:48 am : link
I think Eli will play at high level for 3-4 years and i think he will play for five years aiming for the iron man record. We dont NEED to draft a QB this draft with a group of weak QBs in it.
To draft a QB now,  
Doomster : 3/14/2017 12:31 pm : link
would be a luxury we don't have, with all the holes that have to be filled...
I would prefer to wait until next year  
Jay on the Island : 3/14/2017 4:55 pm : link
to find the heir to Eli but if the Giants feel Mahomes or Webb have franchise QB potential then I would be fine using a pick on either. Eli might be able to play 4 more years but the chances are that he only has 2 years of solid play left in him. Better to hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Im curious what QB options exist in next years  
giantgiantfan : 3/14/2017 5:00 pm : link
draft? Any guys that are staying for their Senior year or guys that could declare following this season?

I think Eli can get us there this year, but next year he might be done.
I'm against drafting a a QB with a premium pick for one reason...  
Torrag : 3/14/2017 5:14 pm : link
...I think we're very close to having a championship caliber roster for 2017. Every significant piece we add could be the tipping point.

That said to be fair I've delved into Watson. He checks off a lot of boxes when you're trying to figure out what he'll be at the next level. A legit championship caliber signal caller or a project. Leadership...check. Toughness...check. Arm strength...check. Pocket awareness and maneuverability(a very underrated aspect at the NFL level)...check. Clutch play...check. Poise...check. He gets very high grades in all these areas. I give him a passing grade in accuracy(a little streaky at times).

The only serious question is his progression to reading defenses at the NFL level. His offense at Clemson was limited in this regard. It wasn't a 'one read' system but they limited it. That said he evinced an ability to create when things broke down and has the athleticism to exploit this ability at the next level.

His college production is elite and efficient both with his arm and his legs. He must be accounted for as a scrambler in the red zone and all over the field for that matter.

Again I'm philosophically against drafting a QB with a premium pick in this draft. If the organization does feel Watson is too good to pass on at #23 I could see why. As with all prospects there is projection involved but he could be a special player.
In my opinion Mahomes  
Giant John : 3/15/2017 1:40 am : link
Was not an accurate passer at the combine. I did not like his arm therefore he would not make my list.
RE: To draft a QB now,  
bradshaw44 : 3/15/2017 7:05 am : link
In comment 13392717 Doomster said:
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would be a luxury we don't have, with all the holes that have to be filled...


I kind of agree with this. Either we are pushing our chips in with Eli or we are in a moderate rebuild. I don't think we sign Marshall if we are considering a QB in rd 1 of this draft. If it were a QB heavy draft I would feel different but from what I can tell all the QB prospects have major question marks. If we want the Lombardi it's probably best to use resources elsewhere early in the draft.
If a Nugget falls on your head  
Rafflee : 3/15/2017 7:25 am : link
you pick it up. I don't believe they're trying to Solve for QB, but teams will always pick a QB when the player drops outrageously below the rating that the team has applied to that QB--- that's really the only reason they moved aggressively on Nassib.

If there is a guy the Giants have conviction about..  
Sean : 3/15/2017 7:57 am : link
absolutely take him.
I'm in the camp that  
mainiac : 3/15/2017 8:05 am : link
would ideally wait until next year's draft for the same reasons others have mentioned.

I also agree with those that would consider taking a guy if the value is there. Would it be so bad to pick up a guy rd 2-4 this year and still leave open the possibility of drafting another QB next year (again if value/fit are there)?

I know Washington is a dumpster fire, and I laughed at them for picking 2 QBs in the same draft, but it did net them a quality QB.

*and yes, I would hate to lose out on whoever would have otherwise been picked, as well as likely carrying 3 QBs on the roster.
as others have said  
fkap : 3/15/2017 9:08 am : link
from here on out, any time a QB who the Giants feel can be Eli successor is there they should take him. Next year would be ideal, but if there's someone there this year, take him. No guarantee we'll have a viable option when we pick next year.

a good successor means the window of SB opportunity is now extended for the foreseeable future. Blowing your wad in a gamble on Eli's remaining years means a limited window.
I don't think it's a good idea to use a premium pick at QB  
Section331 : 3/15/2017 9:15 am : link
because I'm not sure there are any worth it. Teams desperate for a QB may do that, but the Giants have the luxury of having a 2-time SB MVP, so the pressure to find someone right away isn't there. I'd rather they look in the middle rounds to find a developmental guy.

I like Webb a lot, and if he were to drop into the 3rd, I would take a serious look at him.
Finding the next franchise QB is more a matter of trial and error  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/15/2017 2:45 pm : link
Than science.

Not looking forward to seeing what comes after.
I don't think it's that time yet  
Go Terps : 3/15/2017 3:02 pm : link
But when that time comes I don't think we should look for a "guy". We should identify the traits we're looking for and keep a pipeline of that type of quarterback coming in.

College football is bursting with mobile athletes that run relatively complex offenses based on getting the ball out of the quarterback's hands quickly. If we try something different from the franchise model it shouldn't be hard to find candidates and keep the position stocked.

If we insist on finding the next Eli Manning the odds are we're going to be waiting a long, long time.
RE: I don't think it's that time yet  
Big Blue '56 : 3/15/2017 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13394170 Go Terps said:
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But when that time comes I don't think we should look for a "guy". We should identify the traits we're looking for and keep a pipeline of that type of quarterback coming in.

College football is bursting with mobile athletes that run relatively complex offenses based on getting the ball out of the quarterback's hands quickly. If we try something different from the franchise model it shouldn't be hard to find candidates and keep the position stocked.

If we insist on finding the next Eli Manning the odds are we're going to be waiting a long, long time.


Re Manning, true, though everything is cyclical..
Cyclical?  
Go Terps : 3/15/2017 3:30 pm : link
Tell that to the Browns or Jets. They're still waiting for the next Otto Graham or Joe Namath. But at least they're on the ground floor. It's worse to be the Vikings, or Cardinals, or Redskins, and be paying 1/8 of your cap to a guy that can't get you anywhere. Or be like the Dolphins and feel committed to a JAG because you spent a first round pick on him.

I heard Anita Marks talking up Peterman (Pitt QB)  
bceagle05 : 3/15/2017 3:39 pm : link
at the NFL combine. She said the league views him as a Cousins/Dalton type with maybe a little more upside, and don't be surprised if the Giants took him "as early as the second round." I was taken aback by that, but we'll see.
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