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bumpsinthenight : 3/14/2017 12:51 pm
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Interesting breakdown on http://ESPN.com of Giants' DT Johnathan Hankins, who remains unsigned.



Interesting breakdown on http://ESPN.com of Giants' DT Johnathan Hankins, who remains unsigned. - ( New Window )
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bumpsinthenight : 3/14/2017 12:52 pm : link
The response to Schefter  
Defenderdawg : 3/14/2017 12:59 pm : link
Ryan Smith‏ @RSmithNFL 8m8 minutes ago
Ryan Smith Retweeted Adam Schefter
I'll say it again... Just because Hankins was underrated pre-2016, doesn't mean he played well again. This is lazy analysis

Ryan Smith‏ @RSmithNFL 1m1 minute ago
Ryan Smith Retweeted Ryan Smith
Hankins play fell off a cliff when moved to 3T
I like Hankins but the majority of those numbers came  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2017 1:00 pm : link
In 2014 where we all thought he was going to be in the same category as those players mentioned with him in the write-up. That was a long time ago on a shitty team.
RE: I like Hankins but the majority of those numbers came  
giants#1 : 3/14/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13392773 robbieballs2003 said:
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In 2014 where we all thought he was going to be in the same category as those players mentioned with him in the write-up. That was a long time ago on a shitty team.


To be fair, he was also injured for half of 2015 and the other half played alongside crap.

That doesn't excuse the lack of production in 2016 though.
RE: RE: I like Hankins but the majority of those numbers came  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2017 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13392775 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13392773 robbieballs2003 said:


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In 2014 where we all thought he was going to be in the same category as those players mentioned with him in the write-up. That was a long time ago on a shitty team.



To be fair, he was also injured for half of 2015 and the other half played alongside crap.

That doesn't excuse the lack of production in 2016 though.


But he played alongside crap in 2014. To me, 2014 seems mor like a fluke than reality. We all agree that he has great upside which is nice but if you are going to pay a player a shitload of money you want to pay for production not potential.
2014 he at least had a healthy JPP  
giants#1 : 3/14/2017 1:06 pm : link
drawing double teams and attention. Who was the best DL next to him in 2015? Ayers?
that said  
giants#1 : 3/14/2017 1:08 pm : link
I do think 2014 was fluky sack wise, but then again sack totals in general can be fluky. IMO, total pressures (hit+hurries+sacks) are a better gauge of the pressure a player gets, though official, reliable numbers are hard to find (for fans, teams I'm sure have that data).
RE: 2014 he at least had a healthy JPP  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2017 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13392784 giants#1 said:
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drawing double teams and attention. Who was the best DL next to him in 2015? Ayers?


You cannot cherry pick. If that is your response then my response is in 2016 in a contract year he played next to 3 potential probowl players. Any one of them would have seen double teams over Hankins. So ...?
RE: RE: 2014 he at least had a healthy JPP  
giants#1 : 3/14/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13392791 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13392784 giants#1 said:


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drawing double teams and attention. Who was the best DL next to him in 2015? Ayers?



You cannot cherry pick. If that is your response then my response is in 2016 in a contract year he played next to 3 potential probowl players. Any one of them would have seen double teams over Hankins. So ...?


I agree with the latter statement, hence the (paraphrasing) "...that doesn't excuse his 2016 performance (or lack thereof)" comment. Can't speak for others, but I certainly expected more pressure up the middle from Hankins, but it seemed like Snacks was the better penetrator.
I understand why people want Hankins back  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2017 1:30 pm : link
I would like him back too but when I heard the rumored price tag it was too much. I heard $10- $12 per year. No effin way. When I heard Cleveland was interested I thought there was no chance he'd be back because of their cap room.

Something weird is going on here. We heard that he wasn't answering his phone. He is still on the market with supposedly no visits set up. Denver was reportedly interested and then signed 2 lesser DTs.

Did his agent fuck up royally? Does he have a deal worked out with the Giants and is just waiting for cap room to open up?

Now, lets look at the Giants. Right before the official start of FA they were linked to a few other DTs. FA started and nothing. This whole situation is very peculiar.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 3/14/2017 1:34 pm : link
The fact that he's available at all is one of the biggest Giant FA surprises this off season. I thought for sure he'd be snatched up day 1 of FA.

I'm trying to analyze without my blue colored Giants glasses.

He played alongside Vernon, JPP, and Snacks. On top of that, the Gmen secondary is one of the best man coverage teams in the league, allowing Spags to send the house with blitzes and stunts. It's very unlikely big Hanks finds himself in a better position personnel wise.

With all those things going for him, he rarely jumps off the game tape. All the Dlinemen listed above had their fair share of monster plays. I just don't remember Hank really taking over a game the way those other guys did.
$10-12M per for Hankins is ridiculous  
giants#1 : 3/14/2017 1:37 pm : link
I understand market inflation and all, but he's not better than Snacks and arguably isn't close to that level.

I wanted Hankins back for a deal in the $6-8M range, but definitely expected that to be a stretch given all the teams flush with cap space. But who knows at this point.
sounds like  
Andy in Boston : 3/14/2017 1:38 pm : link
Hankins might need a new agent.
Hankins  
AcidTest : 3/14/2017 1:40 pm : link
is not a 3T. Making him that really lessens his effectiveness. I thought some team that really need a run stuffer would recognize that, and offer him a nice fat contract. I assume the Giants haven't because the place a greater value on JPP, and want a real 3T next to Harrison. They may also be happy with Thomas as a backup to Harrison, since he's a lot cheaper than Hankins would be with a new contract.

It's nice to have a real 3T. Reese has been searching for one for years. Remember Marvin Austin? But I don't see the problem playing two run stuffers at the same time. I've said before, I'd be inclined to pull the FT from JPP, and use the money to resign Hankins. The deal should be reasonable given how little interest he's had in the open market. He's also cheaper, healthier, and younger than JPP. Then use a high pick on a DE, and platoon that player with Okwara and OO. JPP is gone next year anyway. We finally had a good run defense last year, where we were not constantly being gashed up the middle.
RE: $10-12M per for Hankins is ridiculous  
robbieballs2003 : 3/14/2017 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13392832 giants#1 said:
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I understand market inflation and all, but he's not better than Snacks and arguably isn't close to that level.

I wanted Hankins back for a deal in the $6-8M range, but definitely expected that to be a stretch given all the teams flush with cap space. But who knows at this point.


I remember seeing something about the Giants valuing him around $6 million per. At this point, with our limited cap room and many areas of need I am not sure if I would commit that to him. I just feel that money can be better served to fill out the rest of the roster. If JPP and the Giants figure out a long term deal then that would change my mind.
Hankins could stay on say, a 3 year deal back loaded  
idiotsavant : 3/14/2017 1:45 pm : link
and with a signing bonus but small 2017 salary to mesh with the DL totals in light of JPPs current situation.

Basically pushing the need to restructure JPP to next March assuming to have a DL limit, allowing Hank guaranteed but not crazy money in 2018 and 19.

and draft 1 DL this year and 1 early 2018 draft
This is my best guess at Reese's game plan with JPP/Hankins  
dpinzow : 3/14/2017 1:52 pm : link
Both were impending free agents this offseason. Reese was contending with these factors:

1. A decent amount, but not unlimited cap room, so only one of them could get a long-term deal;
2. A championship window with Eli starting to close;
3. Odell's monster contract coming up;
4. Contracts for both or either Pugh/Richburg coming up.
5. A possible monster contract for Landon Collins (but still too soon to tell)

There was no way to keep both of them long term after adding OV and Jenkins. Since the Giants didn't value Hankins as a $15M/year player (the DT franchise tag), they chose to tag JPP because he is close to that value and they get one more year of JPP. Without the tag, JPP is on another team right now because the Giants don't think JPP has 4 quality years left (maybe 2, 3 is pushing it). I think Reese was hoping to bring back Hankins all along on a prove it deal because they want to see him have a monster year and KEEP him for less than $15M/yr (think Snacks contract), and let JPP go after 2017 instead of signing him for Vernon money
RE: Hankins  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/14/2017 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13392836 AcidTest said:
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is not a 3T. Making him that really lessens his effectiveness. I thought some team that really need a run stuffer would recognize that, and offer him a nice fat contract. I assume the Giants haven't because the place a greater value on JPP, and want a real 3T next to Harrison. They may also be happy with Thomas as a backup to Harrison, since he's a lot cheaper than Hankins would be with a new contract.

It's nice to have a real 3T. Reese has been searching for one for years. Remember Marvin Austin? But I don't see the problem playing two run stuffers at the same time. I've said before, I'd be inclined to pull the FT from JPP, and use the money to resign Hankins. The deal should be reasonable given how little interest he's had in the open market. He's also cheaper, healthier, and younger than JPP. Then use a high pick on a DE, and platoon that player with Okwara and OO. JPP is gone next year anyway. We finally had a good run defense last year, where we were not constantly being gashed up the middle.


correct. Hankins was played out of position last year. Not an issue to me either But the pass
Rush dried up when JPP went down. The Giants obviously feel of the toe he's the one more easily replaced. W JPP Vernon and Snacks he should have been able to get more pressure. They basically kept Thomas all year for a few snaps. My guess is he and Bromly get the shot next to Harrison and they pick up a back up NT to Snacks cheap.
Whatever is Happening  
Samiam : 3/14/2017 2:05 pm : link
There's no chance that he has a deal with the Giants & is waiting to sign after JPP signs. The world does not work that way
everyone talks about 'difference makers' and BPA  
idiotsavant : 3/14/2017 2:11 pm : link
but then, the BPA gang typically seems to overlook linesmen.

Barring hyped DTs, which there probably are some, a true difference maker DT on this line and in this D next to Snacks and JPP and etc., an argument could be made to go for it:

- greatness.
RE: everyone talks about 'difference makers' and BPA  
adamg : 3/14/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13392873 idiotsavant said:
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but then, the BPA gang typically seems to overlook linesmen.

Barring hyped DTs, which there probably are some, a true difference maker DT on this line and in this D next to Snacks and JPP and etc., an argument could be made to go for it:

- greatness.


There are second/third round 3 techs who may come in and be starters: Brantley, Wormley, Walker, Watkins, etc.

Drafting a DT at 23 sounds a little indulgent to me though. Surprised you're considering someone who isn't a guard in the first three. If I see another mock of yours: T/G/G/TE/RB/G/T I'm going to stab my eyes.
hehehe, make sure to post video if you do that  
idiotsavant : 3/14/2017 2:57 pm : link
eye thing,

LOL at myself.

anyhew,....DT need not be in round 1. Probably hyped players there anyway.
I've gone on record saying it's a mistake to not sign him.  
Giant John : 3/14/2017 3:39 pm : link
We don't value our DT's. Look at the last one we lost. Just stupid. I'm tired of this stupid salary cap. Spend what it takes to put the best team you can on the field. Cheap owners.
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