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NFT: Bracket disruption. First Rd Upsets

Cruzin : 3/14/2017 2:34 pm
(Upset determined by seed number)

#12 UNCW over #5 Virginia

#13 Vermont over #4 Purdue

#11 Rhode Island over #6 Creighton

#12 Middle Tenn over #5 Minnesota

#13 Wintrop over #4 Butler

#10 Wichita State over #7 Dayton


A lot of pundits are high on Wichita St and expect them to do some damage but I don't see Kentucky losing for a very long time (if at all) which would eliminate Wichita in rd 2.

I really like Vermont ( the hottest team in the country) as my favorite upset.

Everyone will have Mid Tenn over Minny.

One of the big names is gonna get bounced early, happens all the time but which one? Oregon? Baylor? UCLA? I'm leaning towards Baylor.

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RE: Bucknell over Thickones U  
feelflows : 3/14/2017 4:20 pm : link
In comment 13392942 YAJ2112 said:
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Yup tanked!


those bastards beat up on Lehigh last week.. curses. It would ne nice to see them win, but it won't come close to the St. Patrick's Day Upset when Lehigh beat Duke.

C'mon now...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/14/2017 4:29 pm : link
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It would ne nice to see them win, but it won't come close to the St. Patrick's Day Upset when Lehigh beat Duke


Bucknell set the bar for Patriot League upsets when they took down Kansas as a 15 seed and the was in the 8-9 matchup a year later and beat Arkansas.

That said, anytime Duke gets upset early and sends Mike Shanahan's ratfaced twin home, it is all good, even when some try to wax poetic about academic standards for a bunch of one and done players......
RE: Purdue is  
jvm52106 : 3/14/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13392949 Pete in MD said:
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not losing to UVM.


People said same thing about Syracuse back a number of years. Just takes one great shooting night by the underdog to change everything.
RE: C'mon now...  
feelflows : 3/14/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13393089 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


It would ne nice to see them win, but it won't come close to the St. Patrick's Day Upset when Lehigh beat Duke



Bucknell set the bar for Patriot League upsets when they took down Kansas as a 15 seed and the was in the 8-9 matchup a year later and beat Arkansas.

That said, anytime Duke gets upset early and sends Mike Shanahan's ratfaced twin home, it is all good, even when some try to wax poetic about academic standards for a bunch of one and done players......


no doubt... Lehigh was 15 as well. Bethlehem was ridiculous that St. Patrick's Day. No such thing as over-celebrating.
RE: C'mon now...  
Greg from LI : 3/14/2017 4:35 pm : link
In comment 13393089 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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That said, anytime Duke gets upset early and sends Mike Shanahan's ratfaced twin home, it is all good, even when some try to wax poetic about academic standards for a bunch of one and done players......


Who take half of their classes at NC Central anyway.
That game..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/14/2017 4:38 pm : link
made CJ McCollum a rich man!

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no doubt... Lehigh was 15 as well. Bethlehem was ridiculous that St. Patrick's Day. No such thing as over-celebrating.


That being said, Bucknell benefitted from his injury his senior year. I think that was the last time we were in the tourney - with a lot of NIT bids in the time since.
Wilmington over Virginia?  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/14/2017 5:14 pm : link
send over the cooler so I can see this --- the vodka is strong in this one Obi
URI over  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/14/2017 5:14 pm : link
Creighton.
I'll just go through some random  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/14/2017 5:30 pm : link
I think whoever wins tonight's Wake/KSU game will also beat Cincy.

I've been on ETSU from the beginning so F it I'm sticking with it as my 13 over a 4. I like Bucknell and Vermont but they got bad draws (i think both are as good as a 12-seed Princeton).

UNCW and MTSU as the 12s; Rhode Island as the other 11, although I despise Danny Hurley and hope they actually lose.

RE: Wilmington over Virginia?  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13393168 gidiefor said:
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send over the cooler so I can see this --- the vodka is strong in this one Obi


Actually gidie, it's more a reality than one might think. Seth Davis is on record as a Seahawk believer, we have one of the best coaches in college basketball and a squad that can can play with the ACC. Well, some of the ACC, we'd have no shot against Duke, ND, Louiseville or UNC but Virginia isn't really a top team. They have no offense, play slow down with a decent defense but it's mainly an illusion. They don't rebound or shoot free throws. Defense winds championships in the NFL, Guards win championships in the Tourney.

The bigger question is why ND didn't move up in the rankings after thoroughly trouncing Virginia in the ACC Tourney. No way we should be a 5 if Va is a 5. We should be a 3 or 4. Oh well, I'd rather see Princeton than UNCW, Seahawks are for real. Say goodbye to Va fans early.
Good to see FatMan on this thread  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 7:16 pm : link

Tell me about Wintrop's chances. I like them to be a suprise upset, can I run with that?

You should have some time for me with the 'Cuse game postponed and this not being an NIT thread. In all honesty, 'Cuse is much better than Virginia and nobody would have wanted the Orange as a first rd game. If they drew Zaga as a 16 vs a 1, would have been the first in history. Great upset points! I'll settle for ND knocking off Zaga and struggling against 'Zona.
SMU could make a deep run  
Rick in Dallas : 3/14/2017 7:25 pm : link
They should get to the sweet 16 then face Duke. You never know on any given night....
RE: Already a NCAA thread today - could have posted there  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13392943 MetsAreBack said:
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but of course we know you did this just to bust Greg and Paul's chops.


MAB, both Greg and Paul are non factors. I would have posted on the existing thread but Paul was making so many mistakes I couldn't follow the thread.

Besides, my threads are more fun. I put myself out there with ND in the ACC tourney and only have Duke fans to bow to. I own everyone else, especially Va fans. To my knowledge there haven't been any admitted Dook fans here on BBI. At least none that have spoken up before they got their full squad healthy. Dook is a contender now, I'm sure some fans will come out of the woodwork but Louiseville is the team to beat in the ACC. Be nice to see a Dook/ND final 4 semi though. In that case I would have to go Duck Fook.
RE: URI over  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13393171 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Creighton.


Agreed, and I don't even think it will be close.
New Mexico State  
Kevin in CT : 3/14/2017 7:49 pm : link
Over Baylor


One of these years NMSU will advance to the round of 32.
As Paul said in the other thread...  
Britt in VA : 3/14/2017 8:42 pm : link
I think UVA will be the most picked 12/5 upset, but I don't think it's going to happen.

They may get a scare, as the CAA gives the ACC fits traditionally, but I don't think they'll lose in the first round.
Rocky  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/14/2017 9:24 pm : link
how many teams are you going to use "we" for?

If UVA can't shoot, then can Notre Dame? Notre Dame had an EFG% of 54%. UVA was 52.9%. That is an indistinguishable difference. UVA shot better from 3 than Notre Dame this season (so Notre Dame must be dreadful from 3), but Notre Dame was slightly better from 2 and much better from the FT line.

Like I've said before, all Notre Dame did in the ACC tournament against Virginia was prove that nobody beats Notre Dame 11 times in a row.

Then again, Digger Phelps was your neighbor, so you're an expert.

At this point, Rocky, all you are doing is exposing yourself as an uncreative troll with limited reading comprehension.

I pity you.
IONA  
Unemployable : 3/14/2017 9:24 pm : link
!
We tried to read Paul's posts  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 9:32 pm : link

But he made so many mistakes it turned out to be a waste of time. At least Greg has search engines that he claims as his own Intelligence. It may not be authentic but at least we can use the info. Paul is just a waste of bandwidth.

Britt as a VCU fan is much more informative, he follows his team and can give s pertinent info! Unfortunately VCU doesn't get past the first rd this year. I still like Britt though, he gave m acoustic Warren Zevon, how many of you idiots could appreciate that? ( feel flow excluded from that comment)
RE: Rocky  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13393408 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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how many teams are you going to use "we" for?

If UVA can't shoot, then can Notre Dame? Notre Dame had an EFG% of 54%. UVA was 52.9%. That is an indistinguishable difference. UVA shot better from 3 than Notre Dame this season (so Notre Dame must be dreadful from 3), but Notre Dame was slightly better from 2 and much better from the FT line.

Like I've said before, all Notre Dame did in the ACC tournament against Virginia was prove that nobody beats Notre Dame 11 times in a row.

Then again, Digger Phelps was your neighbor, so you're an expert.

At this point, Rocky, all you are doing is exposing yourself as an uncreative troll with limited reading comprehension.

I pity you.


Paul, skimming through your post, I agree, Digger as my neighbor makes me an insider. Not just being his neighbor, getting the inside scoop on who's cheating and who isn't. Virginia never came up as a cheater. You're a Va fan. We destroyed less than 7 days ago. Your team sucks, UNCW will knock you out of the tourney.

What else is there to talk about, ND is obviously better than VA, Va will have to struggle against a CAA champ while ND figures out how to beat Zona after the Zaga win,

You're nobody, your team sucks, you tripped all over yourself in the other thread it was unreadable. ( please excuse my copy and paste mistakes?) go away, at least pretends like he has knowledge.
at least Greg pretends like he has knowledge  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 9:46 pm : link

just saying, a guy that doesn't watch the NFL or College Basketball but has search engines he frequents to keep him up to date, he's not a fan. He's a Redskins fan.

A fan without a personal opinion not influenced by the sites he visits. Eire he posts here. Like I said, at least there's something we can use out of that.

Greg and Paul, call me later in life and I'll educate both of you. Lol. Complete nons I address because you're fun to abuse.

Man, ND just crushed Va, how do you explain that?
Now that we've exposed Paul and greg  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 9:51 pm : link
As non participants.

The thread is asking for upsets, I'm talking money here.

Disregard the wannabes and contribute to the thread.

I appreciate the info added thus far, Britt especially. I'm on the fence abut VCU.

Someone else that can add something important?
We?  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/14/2017 9:52 pm : link
Unless you have multiple personality disorder, I wouldn't use "we." You aren't very well thought of on this site. I doubt you speak for anyone.

Where are my errors? I pulled the data from TeamRankings and Ken Pom.

So if Notre Dame "crushed" Virginia 71-58 on a neutral court last week, then how would you describe Virginia's 71-54 win AT Notre Dame during in-conference play?

And how would you describe Tony Bennett and Virginia beating Mike Brey and Notre Dame all five times they've played before last week?

I'll wait while you run next door to ask Digger Phelps how to answer.
Fatman  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 9:54 pm : link

Winthrop.

You called it over ND, can they do it again?

I respect you more than most.

Make the call please, I'd love to waste my money on a great upset call.

What do you think?
RE: New Mexico State  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13393313 Kevin in CT said:
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Over Baylor


One of these years NMSU will advance to the round of 32.


I want to do this, can you tell me why I should?

No pressure just looking for reason to go that direction.
MaB  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 11:08 pm : link

You're a controversial poster. I accept that, most of us have no clue what to process.

Narg, do you see me? Tell them I'm a good guy even though you think Roger is too liberal! I don!t care about the politics, the conservatives are in control now, deal with it,

You bastard!

A few notes: Mort Christensen (sp?) knows more than any other poster on this board but I will give Shyster equal billing because mort does not post enough.

I would love to have Narg and T Bone at my beach house though . It's cheap, I'll feed you well, actually I'd make Greg adore me, Paul, eh, not so much.

If I'm getting away with fantasy, djm and feelflows hanging out with my music would be awesome. Can someone find McKee? I have over 50,000 albums at my disposal. All mine, decent speaker system, smoker, coal grill, and a propane grill at the ready. We hit the beach, if we don't catch flounder , snapper, bluefish for dinner, I might be able to make gidie jealous
enough with thawed Venice to visit.
,

RE: C'mon now...  
MookGiants : 3/14/2017 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13393089 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Quote:


It would ne nice to see them win, but it won't come close to the St. Patrick's Day Upset when Lehigh beat Duke



Bucknell set the bar for Patriot League upsets when they took down Kansas as a 15 seed and the was in the 8-9 matchup a year later and beat Arkansas.

That said, anytime Duke gets upset early and sends Mike Shanahan's ratfaced twin home, it is all good, even when some try to wax poetic about academic standards for a bunch of one and done players......


Fairly sure Bucknell was a 14 seed that year, not a 15, still a huge upset regardless.
Venicine  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 11:17 pm : link

In the neighbors freezer, ECU grad, hunter, good guy all around but I'm not a gun guy.

He does take me fishing though. ECU DB for 3 yeas, married a gymnast, 6 foot, runs her own business.

Great neibors, we feed each other well. Good blend of NY and Carolina.

We have 2 bathrooms, if you can't figure out which one to use, stay on NY with the beyond comprehension 31 gender qualifications.

Talk about stupid ass liberals. Sorry, I wasn't supposed to post the obvious. Beez, can you forgive me?
Mookman, you're a player  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 11:24 pm : link

Ignore the trash talk ( all though it's fun since Virginia sucks) damn, did I just say that out loud?

Anyway, mook, you are an intelligent poster, more than welcome in any of my threads. What do you think about upsets in the first round?

You on board with UNCW over Va? Oregon getting knocked off by Iona?

Help me, I've always had your back.

Disregard Greg and Paul and any of the other irrelevant so, we're talking brackets now. Who do you think survives?

Can ND beat both Zaga and Zona?

Tough task.
Don't see  
MookGiants : 3/14/2017 11:30 pm : link
Iona over Oregon, Iona's style of play will play right into Oregon's hands and Oregon simply has better players and athletes.

UNCW is a tough squad. That's an obvious possible upset, but not sure im going to pick it just yet.

Winthrop and East Tennessee State are the two I'm looking at
Mook  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 11:43 pm : link

Fatman knows Winthrop, he called them over ND a few years ago.

I'm trolling a couple of non entities but looking for some advice in my bigger pools.

No way I play Iona. UNCW I've backed myself into. I love Vermont though.

Just processing info to make some money. I'm in a major money pool pool with southerners, they are all going to pick Duke or NC. As much as I like NC over Duke, I'm gonna play Nova and Louiseville. Fuck the southerners.
Mook  
Cruzin : 3/14/2017 11:51 pm : link

If you want in my pool access I will deal with you exclusively.

Got to get in by tomorrow. We will contact each other through gidie or someone else if necessary.

$20 entry, you can play up to 5.

Points for upsets, pays out several p,aces line 29th, 40th, 60th, etc. winner looks like $800 with prizes for 2nd thru 6th

It's a local pool , bunch of guys that talked me into playing softball for them after my prime but it's legit and interesting. If you like someone besides Duke or NC you have a keg up already.

I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/14/2017 11:53 pm : link
Winthrop will pose much of a threat. Their conference is shit right now and they rely pretty much on two players. A really small (but quick) guard who shoots something like 43% for 3's and a power forward. But the guard struggles against guys with size and Butler has that. Winthrop might stay with them for a half and hit some threes, but I see a 12-15 point win for Butler.
VCU vs. St. Mary's is a tough call....  
Britt in VA : 3/15/2017 12:04 am : link
St. Mary's is really good, but who have they played? Hard to get a read on a team that plays a bunch of scrubs, and one awesome team three times (that smashed them all three times). They did beat Dayton in the A10 already (who split with VCU this season), but Dayton was down two players (including their second best player), and it was the third game of the season... St. Mary's has four guys that can shoot the three. That's tough to defend. They like to play slow, and pass you to death around the perimeter until they find the open 3 or the back door cut.

VCU is more athletic, faster, and more physical. But they can't shoot the three. Luckily, one of the biggest changes from Shaka to Will Wade is the transition to being a team that scores most of it's points inside the paint. If VCU can speed up St. Mary's to play at their pace, it's going to be a long game for St. Mary's. Their inside game will get St. Mary's best player in foul trouble (as he had 4, 5, and 4 fouls against the best team they played, Gonzaga), because they are going to keep pounding it inside relentlessly. If VCU let's St. Mary's dictate the pace, and find open threes, it's going to be a long day for VCU.

I personally think that VCU's athleticism is unlike anything (other than Gonzaga and a crippled Dayton) St. Mary's has seen, and VCU will get St. Mary's in foul trouble. Then again, depends on what the officials let go because VCU plays physical with a lot of handchecking. VCU is tournament tested. 7 in a row. They are battle tested. Is St. Mary's?

All that said, St. Mary's is a 7 seed and a 4 point favorite for a reason.
FatMan and Britt  
Cruzin : 3/15/2017 12:23 am : link

Thank you

Best of luck to you and appreciate the imput.
I'm off of Winthrop but playing VCU. ( one rd only)

Quality posts are appreciated, no matter the slander that goes on.
RE: RE: New Mexico State  
Kevin in CT : 3/15/2017 12:42 am : link
In comment 13393464 Cruzin said:
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In comment 13393313 Kevin in CT said:


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Over Baylor


One of these years NMSU will advance to the round of 32.



I want to do this, can you tell me why I should?

No pressure just looking for reason to go that direction.




NMSU is a completely different program after Menzies left to coach UNLV. Aggies like to play a much more uptempo game whereas years previous they bled the shot clock and had huge big men.

We went on a 20 game win streak this year, destroying Arizona State along the way. They started to get recognized nationally and they turned to shot for a couple games.

Won the WAC Championship over Cal Bakersfield who is currently pummeling Cal in the NIT.

I don't know if we have the size/shooting to stay with Baylor. We should keep it close though, this team has a ton of heart.
A few teams  
Giantfootball025 : 3/15/2017 12:54 am : link
I like to make deep runs are SMU (Elite 8), ND (although I'm a fan so it could be a homer pick Elite 8), MTSU (sweet 16), Witchita St (Elite 8), I also have Winthrop upsetting Butler. In the end though I just cant get past the final 4 teams being UNC, Nova, AZ, and Kansas. I hate picking mostly #1's but I just cant see them losing as I think it's clear who the 4 best teams are. I have Arizona winning it all but I'm going back and forth on it.
Kevin  
Cruzin : 3/15/2017 12:56 am : link

I'm begging for a reason to oust Baylor early.

Tell me mire
I don't know how everybody feels about advanced analytics...  
Britt in VA : 3/15/2017 8:23 am : link
when it comes to predictions, but for VA hoops:

UVA is the 5 seed with the strongest chance to advance in the first round, around 80% of the time in most simulations.

Virginia Tech and VCU are very likely to lose, about 70% of the time, in the simulations.
in defense of Cruzin  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/15/2017 8:29 am : link
I would have started this thread if he didn't - we always have an upset thread for the Final 4. The other thread is the selection thread. It's 2 different animules.

I have a hard time thinking Zona all the way - Zona, Zag, and Cinn always leave you at the altar banging your frikken head
Amen to that brother  
Cruzin : 3/15/2017 8:44 am : link

I just hope it's Notre Dame on the court with them when Zona decides to bow out again.
I am in no way bothered by the thread  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/15/2017 9:00 am : link
RockyThompson/Cruzin isn't the only person to think UNC-Wilmington will knock off Virginia. It's a 12/5 game; they have an efficient offense, a Pitino disciple at coach, and hung tough with Duke last year. Plus a lot of idiots act as if we can't shoot. It has all the makings of a public 12/5 upset pick. It would be a foolish pick, but it's the tournament so chaos happens and making upset picks is a no-risk proposition.

But we all know why Rocky/Cruzin started the thread. It has been his schtick for years under multiple handles. Despite the constant pleas from the users saying "Rocky, we don't want you here," he has no place else to go and thinks that if he's the "unhinged asshole" of the group, at least he can say he's part of the group.
RE: I don't think..  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/15/2017 9:07 am : link
In comment 13393524 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Winthrop will pose much of a threat. Their conference is shit right now and they rely pretty much on two players. A really small (but quick) guard who shoots something like 43% for 3's and a power forward. But the guard struggles against guys with size and Butler has that. Winthrop might stay with them for a half and hit some threes, but I see a 12-15 point win for Butler.


Concur with FMIC, not the best Winthrop team.

How bout Mount St. Mary's with the big win? NEC wasn't that bad a league this year.
RE: I am in no way bothered by the thread  
Cruzin : 3/15/2017 11:29 am : link
In comment 13393633 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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RockyThompson/Cruzin isn't the only person to think UNC-Wilmington will knock off Virginia. It's a 12/5 game; they have an efficient offense, a Pitino disciple at coach, and hung tough with Duke last year. Plus a lot of idiots act as if we can't shoot. It has all the makings of a public 12/5 upset pick. It would be a foolish pick, but it's the tournament so chaos happens and making upset picks is a no-risk proposition.

But we all know why Rocky/Cruzin started the thread. It has been his schtick for years under multiple handles. Despite the constant pleas from the users saying "Rocky, we don't want you here," he has no place else to go and thinks that if he's the "unhinged asshole" of the group, at least he can say he's part of the group.


The po-jama people are boring me to pieces
Feel like I am wasting my time
They all got flannel up 'n down 'em
A little trap-door back aroun' 'em
An' some cozy little footies on their mind

Wait, I'm not part of the group?  
Cruzin : 3/15/2017 11:44 am : link
I don't need you, I don't need this, all I need is this ashtray
and that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this ashtray... And this paddle game. - The ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need... And this remote control. - The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need... And these matches. - The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control, and the paddle ball... And this lamp. - The ashtray, this paddle game, and the remote control, and the lamp, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The paddle game and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches for sure. Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

HE HATES THESE CANS!
STAY AWAY FROM THE CANS!
10 years ago, today....  
Britt in VA : 3/15/2017 12:00 pm : link
.
DAGGER! - ( New Window )
Eric Maynor  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/15/2017 12:25 pm : link
was a hell of a player.
I can't remember  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/15/2017 12:28 pm : link
was that Capel's squad, or Grant's?
RE: I can't remember  
MookGiants : 3/15/2017 12:31 pm : link
In comment 13393930 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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was that Capel's squad, or Grant's?


Grant
How many 3s  
bigbluehoya : 3/15/2017 9:57 pm : link
Is USC going to have to see drop until they decide to guard the perimeter?
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