Stuck at home in the snow storm and was just watching Big Blue Kick off from yesterday with Dottino and Meadow.
They talked with the SD reporter and he gave his thoughts on Fluker. He thought his best position would be RG. I personally think he will be our RT.
But with the resent signing of John Jerry I started thinking of different OL configurations.
Config #1. This is what I see as the best line up
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Fluker
Config #2. This might be a better option
Pugh, Jerry, Richburg, Fluker, Flowers
Power on the right side, finesse on the left. Option #2 would uproot 3 players from last years position but might actually be a better combo of talent and position.
Otherwise you go with option #1 and plug Fluker in at RT and try to top it with adding a draft pick or 2.
Opinions?
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I still think they'll look for another Tackle and leave Fluker inside. I doubt the plan is the pencil him in at Tackle despite the Jerry signing.
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The giants should call Cleveland and offer a 1st this year and a 2nd next year for Thomas from Cle.
Pugh is good and Ruchburg is above average. Rest of guys basically stink.
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You don't move a guard to tackle in his free agency year. You want him to get paid as a guard not a tackle. It's a financial decision more so than putting the best group out there imo
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You don't move a guard to tackle in his free agency year. You want him to get paid as a guard not a tackle. It's a financial decision more so than putting the best group out there imo
Flowers
Pugh
Richburgh
Fluker
Draft pick
Jerry, Jones, Gettis are depth
and neither seems particularly suited for Mac/Packers ball.
there was a series where newhouse possibly subbed for an injured pugh, and the O clicked better, cleaner pocket for not very mobile manning. putting aside all the bells and whistles, they are not using those anyway.
richburg similar.
regarding 'ideal body type' at OLT, we tried that with flowers and he sucks.
He was drafted to play Tackle and moved to guard....
Doing speculations on the future configuration of our o-line based on the signing of Fluker and re-signing of Jerry without accounting for the variable that is our draft is a stupid waste of time at this point.
Flowers: LT/RT/RG
Pugh: LT/LG
Fluker:RT/RG/LG
Hart: RT/RG
Flowers
Pugh
Richburgh
Fluker
Draft pick
Jerry, Jones, Gettis are depth
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Flowers
Pugh
Richburgh
Fluker
Draft pick
Jerry, Jones, Gettis are depth
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They've added some "Help" in the form of depth, and edge blocking with the new Tight End. I'm pretty happy with what they've done to reinforce this group...they have a great opportunity to improve with the guys they have.
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In comment 13393003 Bleedin Blue said:
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From left to right
Flowers
Pugh
Richburgh
Fluker
Draft pick
Jerry, Jones, Gettis are depth
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+3. Pugh is going to be an All-Pro LG. Our line does not get better taking out an All-Pro Guard, replacing him with an average guard, and moving him to become an average LT.
Doing speculations on the future configuration of our o-line based on the signing of Fluker and re-signing of Jerry without accounting for the variable that is our draft is a stupid waste of time at this point.
The reason I offer Pugh as a candidate for LT is the fact everyone on BBI and planet earth keep crying about Flowers and how he sucks. As of right now if Flowers were to get hurt, who would step in at LT? Hart? Fluker? Jerry? No, it would be Pugh. So asking the thought of which line up could benefit the team with Pugh as an option for LT is not far fetched. He was a LT in college, he was drafted in the first round to play OT because of his feet. His short arms make him a better OG, I get it. Everyone crus about Flowers having poor technique and slow feet and that he would be a better guard. This would be our only option other than Flowers.
A history lesson will provide you that that three of the four Giant SBs featured either David Diehl and Brad Benson as left tackles.
Neither were prototype left tackles, but both battled and made it work. And however the got there (under-performing taemmates, injuries, etc), it's not outlandish to see Pugh move there depending how how things develop this August.
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In comment 13393003 Bleedin Blue said:
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From left to right
Flowers
Pugh
Richburgh
Fluker
Draft pick
Jerry, Jones, Gettis are depth
This +1
This +2
+3. Pugh is going to be an All-Pro LG. Our line does not get better taking out an All-Pro Guard, replacing him with an average guard, and moving him to become an average LT.
I like Pugh and think he's a very good OL. If he is an all pro OG I wonder why NYG hasn't extended him yet?
I don't see how the Giants could do much more than hope these guys develop. There are not a lot of answers out there for this position this year.
I don't see how the Giants could do much more than hope these guys develop. There are not a lot of answers out there for this position this year.
With Fluker, you would have THREE #1s, a #2, & a 7th (I think:
FLowers-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Hart
Yup. It's not popular on BBI, but at some point coaches need to coach better and players need to play better. This is a young group.
The idea that somehow the organization "refuses" to "fix" the OL is silly.
Yeah, our line isn't the best, but it's sufficient. Our lack of spending resources may better explain our O deficiencies in terms of the lack of investment at TE and RB and the subsequent lack of production from those positions. We're fielding mid tier FAs and mid to late round picks or UDFAs at those positions. Odell alone does so much for this offense, if we had another guy who scared defenses, the whole OL issue may go away.
I think we don't realize the impact having mediocre talent at TE and RB had on our offense last year. Vereen is a player, despite the hate he gets. He'll make a big difference if he stays on the field. Still, McCaffrey or Njoku also would be huge impact players for our O production. Potentially more so than bringing in Whitworth would have.
Not to mention, our line moved on from starting Newhouse last year, but the line was mostly the same as in 15. That team had a top 10 offense. You can say it was because Eli was slinging the ball, playing from behind with that terrible D unit, but they can score with this line. It's not unfathomable.
when what they really mean is
'I want to go back to mock drafting linebackers and wide outs'
Will be solid with Perkins at RB, and Ellison at FB, OBJ, Marshall, Shep and Njoku as the Rookie TE. Lots of targets, ability to run and hopefully a more balanced attack with a top 10 defense.
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Fluker, Hart.
It'd be interesting to find out what the OL are doing this offseason
He was a RT starter for 2 years, and RG for 2 more. He will battle Hart for RT in the preseason and the loser will push Jerry throughout the season.
They need to create real competition for LT. Pugh, another vet or even a draft pick. Gotta mak Flowers extend himself.
Any realistic chance of this happening? Maybe switch flowers and Fluker? Would have to count on Ramczyk lasting to #23 and the medicals holding up
If they are truly willing to maximize Eli's window (as the Marshall signing could indicate) then I think Reese has to go OL in round one. Wait until rounds 2 and 3 for the DT and edge guys.
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You are right and its a terrible mistake that they wont. You cant win with two horrible tackles which is what the giants have right now. Jerry is ok as a pass blocker but also a horrid run blocker. 3/5ths of the line cant run block and Richburg struggles with big dudes.
The giants should call Cleveland and offer a 1st this year and a 2nd next year for Thomas from Cle.
I think they might have taken less than that last year, however, with the cash they have spent to resign Bitonio, and sign Tretter and especially Zeitler, you have to think they are keeping Thomas. If they draft a RT that is halfway decent they will be right up there with the Cowboys in regard to offensive line talent.
Flowers
Pugh
Richburgh
Fluker
Draft pick
Jerry, Jones, Gettis are depth
Hart beats out Gettis and Jones.
So:
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Fluker is more likely w/
Hart, Jones, ????????
X-Pugh-Richburg-Fluker-Flower...
Turns a negative to a major positive.
If for some reason they still feel Flower can play LT....
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Fluker....Is very risky
deals to a player to be a backup. This is especially true
when you re-sign one of your own players.
The line is not going to look much different, hope for improvement with this group.
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#Giants OL DJ Fluker: "I was brought into New York as a right guard, but I'm willing to play anywhere on the line if they need it"
DJ Fluker just told Giants fans the plan for him. Fluker will compete with Jerry at RG.
Ralph Vacchiano Retweeted SiriusXM NFL Radio
Interesting. Then the Giants re-signed RG John Jerry. So perhaps they're still looking for a right tackle? ...
Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Fluker, Hart.
It'd be interesting to find out what the OL are doing this offseason
We know what Jerry is at this point- He's an average at best OL. As noted, Fluker will compete with him at RG (and I expect him to win the battle)....
Hart stays at RT unless they draft someone who win the RT battle. Hart is young, big, played at a big program. I can't see them benching him for Fluker. Fluker may be best at RG.
Draft an OT, let the chips fall.
It's going to be a pretty open competition I think. Pugh/Richburg are guaranteed to start, Flowers is likely, the rest will see who shakes out. RG is likely Jerry, maybe Fluker pushes him out. I think Hart/draft pick may compete at RT, even Fluker, but I'd guess the draft pick starts the season on bench. It's not a strong class at OL, and we aren't picking very high in Rd 1. Because the class isn't highly rated, we may have a shot at one of (or the) top rated OL, but I haven't seen anyone scouted as a day 1 plug and play OT so far.
My Guess - Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Jerry, Hart to begin season, Hart gives way to draft pick if he isn't up to RT after a few games. Really hoping Flowers can at least step up to average LT - that would give us as good LT play as if we signed an FA making $9-10M/yr this offseason. Is that likely, maybe not - but this is a young guy in 3rd year, we've certainly seen guys develop after a few years before, especially at OL/LT (which has a learning curve in NFL).