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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/15/2017 8:59 am
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NFLPA records list Giants w/just $4.4M cap space w/o D.J. Fluker + Orleans Darkwa deals. They will have to create more space at some point.
Who?.  
superspynyg : 3/15/2017 9:12 am : link
When???

If they want to try and get Hankins back or sign a good kicker, then they need to start cutting or restructuring people. And if a JPP deal is coming it needs to come soon.

Means they probably have barely any cap room  
jeff57 : 3/15/2017 9:14 am : link
And they still need a backup QB, kicker and the rookie draft pool. Thomas will have to go. Harris probably also. But if they can't sign JPP to a long-term deal I don't see where they get the money to sign Hankins or Robinson, or replacements for them.
Signing JPP to a similar Vernon deal,  
Doomster : 3/15/2017 9:19 am : link
would only net them 4-5M....

Still not enough.......
RE: Means they probably have barely any cap room  
Moose and Fury : 3/15/2017 9:20 am : link
In comment 13393652 jeff57 said:
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And they still need a backup QB, kicker and the rookie draft pool. Thomas will have to go. Harris probably also. But if they can't sign JPP to a long-term deal I don't see where they get the money to sign Hankins or Robinson, or replacements for them.


They will get Robinson's $ by cutting Thomas. They can find money for Hankins by restructuring other deals; of course getting the long term deal done with JPP would help this cause significantly as well.
pulling the JPP tag is the only way to get big cap relief.  
Victor in CT : 3/15/2017 9:24 am : link
I doubt they do it, but at some point they have to shit or get off the pot.
RE: Means they probably have barely any cap room  
bigbluescot : 3/15/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13393652 jeff57 said:
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And they still need a backup QB, kicker and the rookie draft pool. Thomas will have to go. Harris probably also. But if they can't sign JPP to a long-term deal I don't see where they get the money to sign Hankins or Robinson, or replacements for them.


They can pretty easily redo Vernon's deal. It essentially had a break at the end of the second year, they may feel that he's shown enough to warrant the removal of that break allowing them to prorate more of the deal. It's not going to net masses of space for a splurge unless they do Snacks or Eli as well (both of which are more risky from an age pov)
Teams can generally make cap room  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/15/2017 9:27 am : link
but there is absolutely no reason to do so until they really need it.
Cutting Thomas/Harris  
Doomster : 3/15/2017 9:31 am : link
only saves you about a little over 4M.....but then you have to replace them with bodies, and those bodies subtract from that 4M....

BBI had this fantasy, that we had all this cap space....many still want to mortgage the future to sign guys....

Fact is, we didn't have the money, and this was a lousy free agency year.....and now we have to restructure, someone, just to have some cap space, to make minimal moves during the season.....we had about 10M last year....we basically have nothing right now....

Reese has to hit several homeruns in the draft....
Total pipe dream  
bigbluehoya : 3/15/2017 9:34 am : link
But I'd love to pick up a few draft picks while staying away from long term $ on JPPs back.
RE: Cutting Thomas/Harris  
the coffee man : 3/15/2017 9:43 am : link
In comment 13393680 Doomster said:
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only saves you about a little over 4M.....but then you have to replace them with bodies, and those bodies subtract from that 4M....

BBI had this fantasy, that we had all this cap space....many still want to mortgage the future to sign guys....

Fact is, we didn't have the money, and this was a lousy free agency year.....and now we have to restructure, someone, just to have some cap space, to make minimal moves during the season.....we had about 10M last year....we basically have nothing right now....

Reese has to hit several homeruns in the draft....
Normally I would agree. But with Eli's age I would mortgage the future. I think JPP gets a longterm deal at some point which will free up space. But that space will be used for the next few years when we beging extending the likes of Pugh and ODB. Really the Marshall signing was a homerun in terms of the contract.
A few thoughts  
djstat : 3/15/2017 10:21 am : link
1. BBI values Hankins a lot more then the Giants or anyone else in the league do

2. JT Thomas probably cannot pass a physical yet which is why he is still here

3. Reese needs to make JPP his truly best offer. Structure the deal so his cap hit this year is minimal with guaranteed dollars in the form of guaranteed roster bonus/salary in 2018/2019

4. The Giants will sign a decent kicker. Kickers are always available.

5. Do not be shocked to see Eli adjust his contract

6. Exactly who do you want them to cut?
RE: RE: Cutting Thomas/Harris  
djstat : 3/15/2017 10:23 am : link
In comment 13393693 the coffee man said:
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In comment 13393680 Doomster said:


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only saves you about a little over 4M.....but then you have to replace them with bodies, and those bodies subtract from that 4M....

BBI had this fantasy, that we had all this cap space....many still want to mortgage the future to sign guys....

Fact is, we didn't have the money, and this was a lousy free agency year.....and now we have to restructure, someone, just to have some cap space, to make minimal moves during the season.....we had about 10M last year....we basically have nothing right now....

Reese has to hit several homeruns in the draft....

Normally I would agree. But with Eli's age I would mortgage the future. I think JPP gets a longterm deal at some point which will free up space. But that space will be used for the next few years when we beging extending the likes of Pugh and ODB. Really the Marshall signing was a homerun in terms of the contract.
There was money this year too..Brandon Marshal signed. JPP has $17 Million attached to him. Jerry Signed, Fluker signed, etc. There was money. Not the money we had last year but there was money.
RE: RE: RE: Cutting Thomas/Harris  
the coffee man : 3/15/2017 10:25 am : link
In comment 13393765 djstat said:
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In comment 13393680 Doomster said:


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only saves you about a little over 4M.....but then you have to replace them with bodies, and those bodies subtract from that 4M....

BBI had this fantasy, that we had all this cap space....many still want to mortgage the future to sign guys....

Fact is, we didn't have the money, and this was a lousy free agency year.....and now we have to restructure, someone, just to have some cap space, to make minimal moves during the season.....we had about 10M last year....we basically have nothing right now....

Reese has to hit several homeruns in the draft....

Normally I would agree. But with Eli's age I would mortgage the future. I think JPP gets a longterm deal at some point which will free up space. But that space will be used for the next few years when we beging extending the likes of Pugh and ODB. Really the Marshall signing was a homerun in terms of the contract.

There was money this year too..Brandon Marshal signed. JPP has $17 Million attached to him. Jerry Signed, Fluker signed, etc. There was money. Not the money we had last year but there was money.
good point
Eli  
Earl the goat : 3/15/2017 10:26 am : link
Just might restructure
thomas by himself  
Cenotaph : 3/15/2017 10:27 am : link
saves like $3M, can easily replace him for that or less with an FA, and certainly less if they go draft pick. Harris would save a bit more, and it seems he already lost some of his return jobs and isn't much of a contributor on O - he can be replaced through draft or WR's currently on roster (I'd guess a later round draft pick at WR).

JPP's tag is eating up a lot fo cap, yes - but if they needed it, the Giants have several easy cuts and a few ways they can re-structure deals to give some relief. As others mentioned, even a long term deal with JPP won't give a ton of cap relief - I'd guess they plan on plunging big $ into 3 DL spots, but not 4 so Hankins probably gone (outside a short/cheap deal) - he is most likely replaced through draft, as they likely won't pay big $ for a FA DT (the market has been soft so anything still possible, and it's supposed to be a solid DL draft). They can make some room, but won't have $ for any big deals after last year's splurge.

This team seems to have most of the big pieces (solid QB, playmaking WR, good rush ends and run stuffing DT, lock down CB and playmaking SS) - they need to fill out the depth and hope they can cobble together a decent OL. Based on where the talent supposedly is in this draft, and how the FA market went, I like what they did with limited funds in FA this year. Hopefully can add a RB/TE and DT from the draft early, competition at OL and depth at LB/DB/WR. Maybe OL/TE/DT over 1st 3 rounds, RB later since supposedly deep, and fill out depth in D and maybe a WR late.
Extend Pugh  
rasbutant : 3/15/2017 10:30 am : link
he has an 8 mil cap hit.

extend him and this year is probably around 2-3mil CAP hit. Give him a 5yr deal with an avg of 8 mil/yr should get it done for both sides.
Cap Space  
stretch234 : 3/15/2017 10:42 am : link
JPP will get done - I can see 4-64 24-28SB and 44M G

structure: 17& 18 all guaranteed - he gets guaranteed money in 2 years. It also allows for change in 2019 if needed - new deal or move on

2017 Sal - 2M SB - 6M Rost Bonus 3.5M Cap savings 5.5M
2018 11M 6M 3.5M
2019 12M 6M
2020 12M 6M

THis gives him 44M in 2 years - tough to turn down
RE: Extend Pugh  
Diver_Down : 3/15/2017 10:45 am : link
In comment 13393779 rasbutant said:
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he has an 8 mil cap hit.

extend him and this year is probably around 2-3mil CAP hit. Give him a 5yr deal with an avg of 8 mil/yr should get it done for both sides.


8 mil/yr? Pugh will laugh at that. For everyone clamoring to extend Pugh, you will be shocked what he'll be looking for. Some 6th round pick for the Chiefs eclipsed $8 mil/yr in a recent extension. With Zietler setting the ceiling, Pugh will be looking closer to what Zietler got than some 6th round pick. People who don't like throwing that kind of money to a player who only played a 16 game season once (his rookie year) should be advocating drafting his replacement this year.
Where you were drafted doesn't matter once you are in the NFL  
rasbutant : 3/15/2017 10:52 am : link
The 6th round draft pick has out performed the Giants 1st round pick.

I agree, if Pugh waits it out til next year, he probably gets more than Zeiter. Because when he has played he has shown that he can be very good. But what if he gets hurt again. 1yr deal for him. Big risk. It would be a hard choice but I'd probably take the long term deal for a little less money and know my future is secure. But thats just me.
I wonder how secure Jonathan Casillas is if Robinson returns.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/15/2017 11:16 am : link
He's a nice, versatile player, and he got off to a strong start last year. Less visible after mid-October, IIRC. Cutting him would save $3MM.

He's safe for now, certainly. That could change if Robinson comes back, especially if the staff considers Goodson a potential three-down LB.
They're not cutting players to make cap space  
BillT : 3/15/2017 11:20 am : link
Outside of maybe Thomas if they resign Robinson. What's the point of cutting players you want to keep to sign other players you want. That's just treading water. They have a number of players they can restructure to make cap room when and if they need it.
Only the top 51 count against the cap  
Milton : 3/15/2017 11:36 am : link
So signing free agents for the vet minimum going forward isn't going to put much of a dent in the overall salary cap and the rookies won't count against the cap until they are signed in July. By then the Giants will have signed JPP to a long term deal and J.T. Thomas and Dwayne Harris will have been released.

A simplistic version of JPP's deal might be...
5 years $72.5M total with a $30M signing bonus and $1M (guaranteed) salary in 2017 and $4M (guaranteed) salary in 2018. Total guaranteed money is $35M.
His 2017 cap hit would be $7M, his 2018 cap hit would be $10M.
JPP  
stretch234 : 3/15/2017 11:56 am : link
JPP is not going to get less guaranteed money on a yearly basis than Vernon. Vernon's contract is 40M guaranteed on 5 years - his additional 12M does not kick in until 2018. That equates to 8M before 2018 and avg of 10.5 if all.

JPP is not going to settle for a 5 year deal with less than Vernon guaranteed money. Feed the ego.

Higher signing bonus and most guaranteed money per year avg.

24-28M SB and 44M total guarantee on 4 years. You want to give 5 years do a 3rd year option for 11M guaranteed to get him highest paid

Re Pugh and a contract. Zeitlers contract is 5-60 12M SB and 31.5 guar. Look at the details - 28M is guaranteed in 2017 & 2018. YOu can easily do a similar deal with Pugh, giving him a higher signing bonus and guarantee money over 3 years and still save cap space
RE: JPP  
Milton : 3/15/2017 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13393877 stretch234 said:
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JPP is not going to get less guaranteed money on a yearly basis than Vernon.
Sure he is. Vernon got $52.5M guaranteed and $85M total over 5 years. JPP won't come within $10M of that when it comes to the guaranteed portion of his deal.
If you're JPP and you're given the choice between....  
Milton : 3/15/2017 12:21 pm : link
$17M in 2017 and then back to free agency in 2018 or a 5 year deal worth $72.5M total with $35M guaranteed, I think you choose door #2.
Draft picks$$$  
sober297 : 3/15/2017 5:23 pm : link
Isn't that money, usually 3Million set aside just to sign draft picks.
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